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RE: RE Project 22160 Vasily Bykov - 11/19/2018 9:08:37 PM   
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Hi Dragon029 and KLAB,

I'm fully aware that "Frazor" at this point is only a popular rumour. My intend here was to apply some uniformity to the database as both DB entries use a wild mix of prototype designation, production designation and/or NATO code. Because of the fact DB#2322 already uses "Frazor", I assumed that the DB editors already had moved beyond the question of wether to use the specific designation or not. I do not claim absolute certainty on any of my suggestions and in the end it's up to them to make the suggested changes or not. I'll remove both suggestions until more info becomes available.

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AAM-4B and ASM-3 - 11/20/2018 5:02:34 AM   
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Japanese AAM-4B should have more seeker range than AIM-120's. Because AAM-4 have AESA radar seeker.
http://aviationweek.com/awin/japan-upgrading-60-f-2s-aam-4-japg-2
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The crucial claim was that the AAM-4B could switch to autonomous guidance at a 40% greater range than either of the other two missiles and would similarly outperform what was expected to be the 2009 standard of the Russian R-77 (AA-12 Adder). In a 2010 paper, the ministry attributed the seeker's greater performance to the higher transmitting power available from the AESA.

http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/hyouka/seisaku/results/13/jizen/youshi/19.pdf (Japanese resource)
40% greater so around 7nm range?

I confirmed ASM-3 starts the service from 2019. Development and testing done in Jan 2018.
http://www.jwing.net/news/7174 (Japanese reference)
I request removing IR seeker from ASM-3. no reference showing ASM-3 has IIR seeker(ASM-2 has). And have INS/GPS mid-course guidance.
JASDF now has ASM-2. ASM-2B and ASM-3 as ASM.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/april-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6112-japanese-mod-moves-closer-to-operationalization-of-asm-3-anti-ship-missile.html
ASM-3 launched from high and low altitude capable.

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RE: AAM-4B and ASM-3 - 11/20/2018 1:48:37 PM   
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Additional reference for AAM-4B
The 3rd page of the PDF there is a chart. I put some transulation below.
http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/hyouka/seisaku/results/13/jizen/youshi/19.pdf

There is compare of stand-off range and autonomous guidance (seeker range) range. This is Japanese official policy assessment, so I'm sure this is the data we can trust.

Build 998.15 makes more importance of missile's seeker range. That's why I put this here.

The missiles are AAM-4,AAM-4B,AIM-120B,AIM-120B+(AIM-120C-5),AA-12,AA-12PD



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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 11/20/2018 4:11:35 PM   
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Hi there! I recently found a treasure trove of official Portuguese Air Force documents about our F-16 MLU fighters. That, combined with research on the Romanian aquisition of our surplus F-16 MLU, resulted in a number of changes to my previous requests about these aircraft! As a result, I submit here my ammended requests, complete with sources. All alterations are bolded and italicized.

Corrections:

#1061 – F-16A Falcon

- Service years: 1994 - 2013
- Should be of the “Block 15 OCU” variant
- Should have the F100-PW-220E engine
- Remove the AIM-7 Sparrow loadouts
- The Portuguese Air Force uses the AIM-9L-1 Sidewinder instead of the AIM-9L


- Missing loadouts:
--- AGM-65B/G Maverick
--- LAU-5002 (6 x CRV7) rocket pod
--- AN/ALQ-131(V)2 ECM pod

Sources:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article3.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogspot.pt/2009/08/sala-de-operacoes.html
http://www.emfa.pt/www/mobile/unidade-18
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article16.html

#3430 – F-16B Falcon

- Service years: 1994 - 2013
- Should be of the “Block 15 OCU” variant
- Should have the F100-PW-220E engine
- Remove the AIM-7 Sparrow loadouts
- The Portuguese Air Force uses the AIM-9L-1 Sidewinder instead of the AIM-9L


- Missing loadouts:
--- AGM-65B/G Maverick
--- LAU-5002 (6 x CRV7) rocket pod
--- AN/ALQ-131(V)2 ECM pod

Sources:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article3.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogspot.pt/2009/08/sala-de-operacoes.html
http://www.emfa.pt/www/mobile/unidade-18
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article16.html

#1235 – F-16AM Falcon MLU

- Avionics:
---Radar: APG-66(V)2
---RWR: SPS-1000-V5
---Counter-measures: Terma ACMDS
---Datalink: LINK-16


- Should have the F100-PW-220E engine
- Remove the AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-120B AMRAAM loadouts
- The Portuguese Air Force uses the AIM-9L-1 Sidewinder instead of the AIM-9L


- Missing loadouts:
--- AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM
--- AN/AAQ-28(V)6 LITENING AT Block 2 pod
--- GBU-12
--- GBU-49
--- GBU-31
--- AGM-65B/G Maverick
--- LAU-5002 (6 x CRV7) rocket pod
--- AN/ALQ-131(V)2 ECM pod

Sources:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html
http://www.globenewswire.com/newsarchive/noc/press/pages/news_releases.html?d=147539
http://www.emfa.pt/www/aeronave-18
http://www.emfa.pt/www/mobile/unidade-18
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2014/07/20-anos-f-16-em-fotos-i-m1653-84al2014.html
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2013/11/ainda-os-numeros-da-venda-dos-f-16.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogspot.pt/2010/03/dossier-15133.html
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article16.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogspot.pt/2012/12/cacadores-nocturnos_16.html
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400.26/12364/1/CAP%20Pereira%20da%20Silva.pdf
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400.26/21435/1/14_CapJoaoBoita_TII_VF.pdf
https://www.terma.com/media/291446/advanced_countermeasures_dispenser_system.pdf
http://elbitsystems.com/media/SPS-1000V-5.pdf

#3431 – F-16BM Falcon MLU

- Avionics:
---Radar: APG-66(V)2
---RWR: SPS-1000-V5
---Counter-measures: Terma ACMDS
---Datalink: LINK-16


- Should have the F100-PW-220E engine
- Remove the AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-120B AMRAAM loadouts
- The Portuguese Air Force uses the AIM-9L-1 Sidewinder instead of the AIM-9L


- Missing loadouts:
--- AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM
--- AN/AAQ-28(V)6 LITENING AT Block 2 pod
--- GBU-12
--- GBU-49
--- GBU-31
--- AGM-65B/G Maverick
--- LAU-5002 (6 x CRV7) rocket pod
--- AN/ALQ-131(V)2 ECM pod

Sources:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html
http://www.globenewswire.com/newsarchive/noc/press/pages/news_releases.html?d=147539
http://www.emfa.pt/www/aeronave-18
http://www.emfa.pt/www/mobile/unidade-18
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2014/07/20-anos-f-16-em-fotos-i-m1653-84al2014.html
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2013/11/ainda-os-numeros-da-venda-dos-f-16.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogspot.pt/2010/03/dossier-15133.html
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article16.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogspot.pt/2012/12/cacadores-nocturnos_16.html
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400.26/12364/1/CAP%20Pereira%20da%20Silva.pdf
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400.26/21435/1/14_CapJoaoBoita_TII_VF.pdf
https://www.terma.com/media/291446/advanced_countermeasures_dispenser_system.pdf
http://elbitsystems.com/media/SPS-1000V-5.pdf

The Romanian MLUs and the Portuguese MLUs should have the same capabilities as the Romanian aircraft are ex-Portuguese Air Force warplanes, upgraded by a Portuguese company, OGMA.

#4402 – F-16AM Falcon MLU

- Avionics:
---Radar: APG-66(V)2
---RWR: SPS-1000-V5
---Counter-measures: Terma ACMDS
---Datalink: LINK-16


- Should have the F100-PW-220E engine
- The AMRAAM should be the AIM-120C-5, not the AIM-120C-7
- The targeting pod should be the AN/AAQ-33 Sniper ATP, not the Litening II pod
- This aircraft uses the AN/ALQ-131(V)2 ECM pod
- The Romanian Air Force only uses the GBU-12, not the GBU-49


Sources:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html
http://www.globenewswire.com/newsarchive/noc/press/pages/news_releases.html?d=147539
http://www.emfa.pt/www/aeronave-18
http://www.emfa.pt/www/mobile/unidade-18
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2014/07/20-anos-f-16-em-fotos-i-m1653-84al2014.html
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2013/11/ainda-os-numeros-da-venda-dos-f-16.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogspot.pt/2010/03/dossier-15133.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogspot.pt/2012/12/cacadores-nocturnos_16.html
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400.26/12364/1/CAP%20Pereira%20da%20Silva.pdf
https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2015-05-11-Thailand-Romania-Select-Lockheed-Martins-Sniper-Advanced-Targeting-Pod-for-F-16-Fleets
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400.26/21435/1/14_CapJoaoBoita_TII_VF.pdf
https://www.terma.com/media/291446/advanced_countermeasures_dispenser_system.pdf
http://elbitsystems.com/media/SPS-1000V-5.pdf
http://bsad.roec.biz/portfolio-item/f16s-for-romanian-air-force/

#4403 – F-16BM Falcon MLU

- Avionics:
---Radar: APG-66(V)2
---RWR: SPS-1000-V5
---Counter-measures: Terma ACMDS
---Datalink: LINK-16


- Should have the F100-PW-220E engine
- The AMRAAM should be the AIM-120C-5, not the AIM-120C-7
- The targeting pod should be the AN/AAQ-33 Sniper ATP, not the Litening II pod
- This aircraft uses the AN/ALQ-131(V)2 ECM pod
- The Romanian Air Force only uses the GBU-12, not the GBU-49


Sources:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html
http://www.globenewswire.com/newsarchive/noc/press/pages/news_releases.html?d=147539
http://www.emfa.pt/www/aeronave-18
http://www.emfa.pt/www/mobile/unidade-18
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2014/07/20-anos-f-16-em-fotos-i-m1653-84al2014.html
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2013/11/ainda-os-numeros-da-venda-dos-f-16.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogspot.pt/2010/03/dossier-15133.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogspot.pt/2012/12/cacadores-nocturnos_16.html
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400.26/12364/1/CAP%20Pereira%20da%20Silva.pdf
https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2015-05-11-Thailand-Romania-Select-Lockheed-Martins-Sniper-Advanced-Targeting-Pod-for-F-16-Fleets
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400.26/21435/1/14_CapJoaoBoita_TII_VF.pdf
https://www.terma.com/media/291446/advanced_countermeasures_dispenser_system.pdf
http://elbitsystems.com/media/SPS-1000V-5.pdf
http://bsad.roec.biz/portfolio-item/f16s-for-romanian-air-force/

Requests:

- Vought A-7P (’82-’90)

- A-7A airframes refurbished with A-7D/E avionics
- Has a P&W TF30-P-408 engine
- Retains the 2 Colt Mk12 20mm cannons
- Has refuelling probe

- Avionics:
--- Terrain-following radar: AN/APQ-126
--- RWR: AN/ALR-46
--- Counter-measures: [REMOVED]

- Armament:
--- AIM-9P
--- AGM-65B/G
--- Mk82/83/84 bomb
--- BAP-100 anti-runway bomb
--- BL755 cluster bomb
--- Mk20 Rockeye
--- LAU-5002 (6 x CRV7) rocket pod
--- LAU-5003 (19 x CRV7) rocket pod

Sources:
http://walkarounds-blog.blogspot.pt/2015/02/a-7p-corsair-ii_57.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTV_A-7P_Corsair_II

- Vought A-7P (’91-’99)

- The same as the previous entry, except where otherwise noted

- Avionics upgraded to:
--- RWR: SPS-1000 (replacing the AN/ALR-46)
--- Countermeasures: AN/ALE-40

- Additional armament:
--- AIM-9L-1
--- AN/ALQ-131(V)2 ECM pod

Sources:
http://walkarounds-blog.blogspot.pt/2015/02/a-7p-corsair-ii_57.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTV_A-7P_Corsair_II

- Alpha Jet A (’92-…)

- Ex-German aircraft, identical to #65, except where noted.

- Avionics:
---RWR: SPS-1000
---Counter-measures: AN/ALE-40


- Uses CRV7 rockets instead of SNEB.
- The “BL.755 CB, Heavy, Multi-Store Rack” loadout cannot use drop tanks, as the BL.755 cannot be used in multi-store racks.

Sources:
http://www.emfa.pt/www/aeronave-4-dassault-dornier-alpha-jet
http://www.avialogs.com/en/aircraft/europe-and-consortiums/dassault-dornier/alpha-jet/gaf-to-1f-ajet-1-flight-manual-alpha-jet.html
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400.26/21435/1/14_CapJoaoBoita_TII_VF.pdf

Once again, thank you for your continued attention and effort!

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RE: RE Project 22160 Vasily Bykov - 11/21/2018 2:06:06 PM   
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Please add Russia Alexandrit (Project 12700)-class mine-countermeasures vessels (MCMVs) and Seascan MK.2 UUV's

First ship was 507 Alexander Obukhov. IOC 2017-18

https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/project-12700-mine-countermeasures-vessels/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandrit-class_minesweeper

Thank




Good data on UUV's used

https://www.janes.com/article/82719/russia-enhances-unmanned-mcm-capabilities

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RE: RE Project 22160 Vasily Bykov - 11/22/2018 12:48:05 AM   
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Additional reference for F-15J with Link16
http://www.mod.go.jp/j/yosan/2009/yosan.pdf (2009's Defense Budget of Japanese Ministry of Defence.)




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RE: RE Project 22160 Vasily Bykov - 11/24/2018 6:18:43 AM   
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Japanese JASDF and Korean ROKAF choose RQ-4B blk 30(i).
This is improved version of blk30 but I coudn't find the part they improved. but still I will request change its name for RQ-4B blk30 to 30(i).
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/northrop-grumman-contract-advances-japan-rq-4-work-453796/
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/government-japan-rq-4-block-30-i-global-hawk-remotely-piloted-aircraft
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/republic-korea-rq-4-block-30-i-global-hawk-remotely-piloted-aircraft
https://dod.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract-View/Article/1694434/

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RE: RE Project 22160 Vasily Bykov - 11/24/2018 6:38:07 AM   
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Addtional request,
Armed techinical MLRS and OECM vehicle for generic side.

Now there are tons of varietion of technical inclde MLRS. There are also SAM and AT variants and more so adding these makes more interesting in these days conflict.
https://21stcenturyasianarmsrace.com/2016/10/14/the-amazing-career-of-the-type-63-rocket-launcher/ (here is source)
https://i.redd.it/fqpthrg3s5v11.jpg (worth to see for add new units, because they are real units)

And Vehicle with OECM for generic side is the unit worth to add I belive.

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RE: RE Project 22160 Vasily Bykov - 11/24/2018 7:48:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BDukes

Please add Russia Alexandrit (Project 12700)-class mine-countermeasures vessels (MCMVs) and Seascan MK.2 UUV's

Good data on UUV's used

https://www.janes.com/article/82719/russia-enhances-unmanned-mcm-capabilities

Second attempt to add 12700 :)

Previous approaches:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4309815
and
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4310875

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 11/24/2018 2:53:08 PM   
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Scorpion86,

Many thanks for providing the "Treasure Trove" of reference material about your F-16 MLU fighters. I've added it to the CMANO unofficial Dropbox reference library.

This library has three sections:
1. Reference Material,
2. Lua Code samples,
3. Illustrated Guides.

Currently there are over 300 items in the library with 71 members. Any forum member who does not have access to this Dropbox library and would like to be added to the access list may send me a PM with a current email address and I'll add you.


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RE: RE Project 22160 Vasily Bykov - 11/24/2018 6:07:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Filitch


quote:

ORIGINAL: BDukes

Please add Russia Alexandrit (Project 12700)-class mine-countermeasures vessels (MCMVs) and Seascan MK.2 UUV's

Good data on UUV's used

https://www.janes.com/article/82719/russia-enhances-unmanned-mcm-capabilities

Second attempt to add 12700 :)

Previous approaches:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4309815
and
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4310875


Great. might make priority highers!

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 11/25/2018 11:39:34 AM   
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B-52 gunnery system. in your 1980 + modern database, you have removed the tail guns and tail radar from the B-52. Gunner's and the gunnery system were still used in the B-52 until the end of Sept. 1991. The gunner was removed as a crew position on 1 Oct. 1991.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 11/27/2018 1:16:43 PM   
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Errata:

Marker (city) has a ridiculously low area of 25m (per comparison an oil refinery has 60000! meter area).

This makes cities unrealistically hard to hit with low accuracy ballistic missiles.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 11/27/2018 11:47:37 PM   
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Can I request generic Coast Guard Surveillance ships?

Request 500tons, 2500tons and 5000tons ships with Unarmed and armed variants.
Equiped Generic Navigation and Surface Search Radar. Max speed is around 18~28 knots.

My recomendations of guns for Armed variants are combinations of 12.7mm guns(DBID #1695 12.7mm/50 MG Burst), 20mm guns(DBID #2319 20mm single Burst) 40mm Guns(DBID #1653 40mm/70 Single Bofors Burst).

I can check Japanese military and Para-military info and bring here but I can't read anything except Japanese and English. And there are not much Coast Guard ships in CMANO. eg, South Korea has none of them, but they are in very important place.
Also there are some surverillance ships owned by Fisheries Agency, or those ships.

These days conflicts can starts from action of those Para-military or civilians. So I belive adding these units will CMANO's scenario more interesting.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 11/28/2018 12:38:25 AM   
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Delete Request for Ship DBID:#1838 DDG 177 Atago 2008, due to There are no reference! Atago-class got SM-3 at 2019.
At 2008, Atago-class only had tracking system for BMD, Only Kongo-class got SM-3.

Adding request for upgrade SM-2 blk3B for Kongo-class and Atago-class from 2016.
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/japan-sm-2-block-iiib-standard-missiles-0
https://thediplomat.com/2016/07/us-clears-sale-of-advanced-surface-to-air-missiles-to-japan/

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 11/28/2018 1:25:57 AM   
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Request to add BZK-005C in database.

http://news.ifeng.com/a/20181127/60175666_0.shtml (Simplified Chinese, spec. translation below)



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- Improved airframe and aerodynamic based on BZK-005
- STOL capable and rough terrain adaptive
- More integrated FCS into automation, can input attack orders and it will follow by it’s own, once the target is in range. (jam-proof)
- Maximum payload weight is 300kg, each pylon can carry 100kg ordinance.


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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 11/29/2018 12:18:49 AM   
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I just noticed a rather large oversight - the armor for all US aircraft carriers is massively understated.

The Midway, Forrestal, Kitty Hawk, and Nimitz classes are all listed in the database as having only "medium (91-140mm)" belt and engineering armor with "light (41-90mm)" bridge armor.

However, Friedman's US Carriers (pg 216-220 & 395) lists USS Midway as having:
7.6" armor belt
6.3" bulkheads
3.5" flight deck + 2" hangar deck + 2" 3rd deck
6.5" side / 3.5" top conning tower (reduced to 2" on USS Coral Sea, the 3rd ship in the class)
7.6" side / 6.3" bulkhead / 5" above / 2.5" deck steering gear (not clear what is meant by separate "above" and "deck" figures)

While similar detail for the Forrestal, Kitty Hawk, Enterprise, and Nimitz classes is not available for obvious reasons, multiple websites suggest that they are at least as well protected as that of the Midway-class and there are mentions of ~3" deck armor in relation to the major fires on USS Forestal and USS Enterprise off Vietnam.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 11/29/2018 12:33:23 AM   
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additional request for Japanese Aegis Ships, Kongo and Atago-class

Kongo class ships has only 8 rounds of SM-3 1A missiles. Japan Bought 36 rounds then used 1 round from each 4 ships so remainings are 32, for training. So right now, Kongo-class have only 8 rounds of SM-3.
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/byline/obiekt/20180912-00096641/ (Japanese reference, sorry)

Atago-class DDG has 64+32 cell VLS instead of Kongo Classes 61+29 VLS. Atago-class increased the number of cells of VLS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atago-class_destroyer
http://www.seaforces.org/marint/Japan-Maritime-Self-Defense-Force/Destroyer/Atago-class.htm
http://www.military-today.com/navy/atago_class.htm

P-2J change request
Their weapons/Loadouts are
4x Mk.34 torpedoes (Super old, now only in CWDB so you need bring it from there to DB3000.)
4x Mk.44 torpedoes
I couldn't find any Japanese resources P-2J with Mk46.
12x 150kg ASW bomb
8x 127mm rocket
http://www.mod.go.jp/msdf/kanoya/toukatu/32tennziki.html (Home page of Kanoya AB)

150kg ASW bomb but it used for Surface ships, so can attack both Surface and Sub. and it is used by P-3C and P-1.


Requesting Armed Maritime Surveillance load out for P-3C and P-1.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%83%BD%E7%99%BB%E5%8D%8A%E5%B3%B6%E6%B2%96%E4%B8%8D%E5%AF%A9%E8%88%B9%E4%BA%8B%E4%BB%B67 (Japanese source again, sorry)

JMSDF and JCG pursued North Korean Spy ship at offshore Noto Peninsula in 1999. At this time, P-3C used 150kg bomb for warning shots. Each P-3Cs had 4 bomb.
I request Anti-Spy ship or Armed Surveillance loadout for Japanese P-3C and P-1.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 11/29/2018 1:35:43 AM   
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Additional changes
P-2J used jazebel sonobuoy the name was
AN/AQA-5 (early model/SSQ-41A) and AN/AQA-5N (later model/SSQ-41B)
it was not HQS-6.

Also equip AN/ASA-20B julie active range only, instead of HQS-3B. NO detail information.

Early type of P-2J had HLR-1 and later type had HLR-101, In CMANO, the name is HLQ-101 so need small fix.

http://www.geocities.jp/aobamil/mil-dic/P.html#P2J
This home page information is based on Japanese research magazines as source. But still this is Japanese.

http://nabe3saviation.web.fc2.com/aP2Jmj.html (This site had same informations. / still Japanese)

I checked UP-2D as ELLINT variant but no detail information. No detail information.

PS-1 had HSQ-101 MAD system. Also can equip with Mk44 torpedo.
http://www.geocities.jp/aobamil/mil-dic/P.html#PS1 (Japanese)

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 11/29/2018 4:14:16 AM   
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Type97 torpedo has incredible attack DP.
MK46's and Mk50's are around 50~100 but Type97 has 400DP.
Too huge. Request reduce to around Mk50's 45DP. (I have a question, MK50 is succesor of Mk46 and less DP. that's strange for me. HE shaped charge is that weak? Mk46 has PBX warhead but I can't think that doesn't that huge change)



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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 11/29/2018 5:24:44 AM   
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Fix
DBID #1575 SSM-1B [Type90] Ship tp ship missile has ARH terminal guidance as SSM-1 do. NOT IIR guidance. There is no reference supporting IIR guidance of SSM-1B.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040309132916/http://jda-clearing.jda.go.jp/kunrei/i_fd/iz1999p1011b.html (Japanese info.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_90_Ship-to-Ship_Missile (English wiki)


DBID #1192 ASM-1C[Type91] Air to ship missle
weight 610kg→510kg
[NEW] REQUEST CHANGING of ASM-1C FUEL to TurboJet, ASM-1C doesn't have Rocket fuel.

ASM-1C is improved by
ASM-1(type80/AirForce)→SSM-1(Type88/Army)→SSM-1B(Type90/Navy)=ASM-1C(Type91/Navy)→ASM-2(Type93/Airforce)
ASM-1C has Turbojet Engine as SSM-1B has. So ASM-1C has 100nm firing range as SSM-1B has.
I checked Japanse Reference of book of Technical Research and Development Institute(TDRI). And there is statement, ASM-1C can fire from farther range than Harpoon.
ALL ENGLISH SOURCES I FOUND WAS WRONG.(Weapons.net's info is not right.) Wikipedia was right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_91_Air-to-Ship_Missile
http://web.archive.org/web/20130124150431/http://www.mod.go.jp/trdi/data/pdf/50th/TRDI50_07.pdf (Japanese book of TDRI's official, P27)


About the NewSSM, SSM-2 [Type17], I'm gathering information still. But as you can see, it is improved, ship-borne version of Type-12.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/2/2018 3:27:17 AM   
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For Easier understanding, I tranlated the picture.

You can see
ASM-1(Type 80) [origine]

SSM-1(Type88) [+Turbo Jet]
FROM HERE,the improvements of Japanese ASM separetaed to JASDF/JGSDF+JMSDF.

[JGSDF/JMSDF]
SSM-1B(Type90) [+Turbo Jet,Ship borne]
ASM-1C(type93) [+Turbo Jet,Air borne] So ASM-1C has same range as SSM-1B. Just like relation between RGM-84D and AGM-84D Harpoon. Also It should has 200kg HE(200DP) as SSM-1B has.

Type12 [+Turbo Jet,coastle, +Vertical Launch, +GPS]

[JASDF]
ASM-2 (Type93) [+Turbo Jet Engine, Airborne, IIR seeker]

ASM-2B (Type93B) [+Turbo Jet Engine, Airborne, IIR seeker, +GPS]

The Original picture is from JSDF.




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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/2/2018 5:57:43 AM   
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DBID#2442 DDH-183 Izumo-class

Radars
improved J/OPS-28D to J/OPS-28F. Developed around late 2000.
J/OPS-20E. Developed around Early 2000. Surface search, Navugation radar. previous OPS-20C is mounted on Akuzuki and Hyuga-class.


Also Izumo-class has J/QQQ-23 LF sonar, which reduced specs variant of Hyuga's J/QQQ-21. I request reducing sonar range to around 20nm, Izumo-class sonar is just for detecting incoming torpedoes from submarines.
https://www.rina.org.uk/Izumo_class_far_from_carriers_in_the_fullest_sense.html (English resources, ONLY the name can confirm)
https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/izumo-class-helicopter-destroyer/ (English resources, ONLY the name can confirm)
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%84%E3%81%9A%E3%82%82%E5%9E%8B%E8%AD%B7%E8%A1%9B%E8%89%A6#%E5%AF%BE%E6%BD%9C%E6%88%A6 (Japanese wiki, I translated)

[Important] Izumo-class doens't have HOS-303 324mm torpedo tubes. Remove it please.
(No reference is a reference)

[Important] QLQ-1 MOD and QLQ-1 FAJ counter torpedo system has to be added. (I already request this few times, for Izumo, Akizuki, and Asahi-class)

https://www.rina.org.uk/Izumo_class_far_from_carriers_in_the_fullest_sense.html (Reference)
https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/izumo-class-helicopter-destroyer/

[Important]Confirmed Izumo-class with Link16 system.(And for Hyuga-class, too.)
https://www.rina.org.uk/Izumo_class_far_from_carriers_in_the_fullest_sense.html

CIWS is BLK1A model at the point of 2016.
Request adding 2017 model of Izumo, which changed CIWS from blk1A to blk1b.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%84%E3%81%9A%E3%82%82%E5%9E%8B%E8%AD%B7%E8%A1%9B%E8%89%A6#%E9%98%B2%E7%A9%BA (Japanese wiki, I translated)



DBID#480 DDH-181Hyuga-class
J/OPS-20 to J/OPS-20C. Developed around Early 2000. Atago-class has 20B so I guess around it.
Remove J/OPS-28D from Hyuga.
https://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/detail.asp?ship_id=js-hyuga-ddh181-helicopter-carrier-japan
[Important]Link 16 system.(Again) Link 11/14/16 system.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B5%B7%E4%B8%8A%E8%87%AA%E8%A1%9B%E9%9A%8A%E3%81%AEC4I%E3%82%B7%E3%82%B9%E3%83%86%E3%83%A0

DBID#2293 DD 115 Akizuki-class
[Important]I already Requested but MOD and FAJ counter torpedo system. 4 rounds for each.
[Important]Link 16 system.(Again)
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B5%B7%E4%B8%8A%E8%87%AA%E8%A1%9B%E9%9A%8A%E3%81%AEC4I%E3%82%B7%E3%82%B9%E3%83%86%E3%83%A0
[VERY Important]Request adding "DD 117 Teruzuki[Akizuki-class] 2013" which replaced RUM-139 to Type07 VLA.


DBID#3128 DD 119 Asahi-class
add OPS-48 radar instead of OPS-20C and OPS-10.
[Important]I already Requested but MOD and FAJ counter torpedo system. 4 rounds for each.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%82%E3%81%95%E3%81%B2%E5%9E%8B%E8%AD%B7%E8%A1%9B%E8%89%A6_(2%E4%BB%A3)
[VERY Important] replace RUM-139 to Type07 VLA.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/july-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5433-first-jmsdf-25dd-class-asahi-asw-destroyer-started-sea-trials.html

Radar development date is my suggestion. due to the previous radar and the years of the ship developed.

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RE: Japanese ASW Weapons - 12/2/2018 6:23:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KC45

About an AAM-4B Type-99 Air to Air missiles.
AAM-4B'S JARG-1's recever has two channel. That's because AAM-4's Datalink can hands off to wingman Fighter to the F-15J or F-2 can going defensitive.

quote:

なお、中間誘導は僚機に引き継がせることも可能である。

Means "In addtion, It is also possible to let the wingman take over the intermediate guidance".

http://eaglet.skr.jp/MILITARY/AAM-4.html

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/99%E5%BC%8F%E7%A9%BA%E5%AF%BE%E7%A9%BA%E8%AA%98%E5%B0%8E%E5%BC%BE (the info is also on Japanese wiki)





I should say, this is the Limited CEC-capability. AAM-4B can hands off the control to AAM-4 users (F-15J MSIP and F-2). In another words, the plane has J/ARG-1/2 can take over the control of AAM-4Bs when lanched unit destroyed or cannot send the update information.

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RE: Japanese ASW Weapons - 12/2/2018 9:23:26 PM   
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Greetings once again! I've once again dug into my pile of Standard Aircraft Characteristics scans and came up with a few requests, now for the venerable A-7 Corsair. Please look into the A-7A, A-7D and A-7K documents, as they have some nifty little charts with the the types of weapons the aircraft can carry, how many and in which stations! Thanks once again, and off with the requests!

#903 – Vought A-7B Corsair II

- Avionics:
---Radar: AN/APQ-116
---RWR: AN/APR-27 + AN/ALR-25 + AN/ALR-26
---Internal ECM: AN/ALQ-100
---CMD: AN/ALE-29A

- Engine:
---Designation: TF30-P-8
---Thrust: 12200 lbs. (military)/9600 lbs. (normal)
---Total fuel: 1500 USGal (total internal)

- Maximum weapon load: 19000 lbs. + 2 AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles
---2 Sidewinder rails
---4 3500lbs-capacity pylons
---2 2500lbs-capacity pylons

- Used ECM pods (2):
---AN/ALQ-81
---AN/ALQ-88

- For more information on possible loadouts, please consult the source document of the A-7A: the loadouts will be similar, and the last pages have nifty charts with all compatible stores and maximum number per pylon.

Sources:
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/A-7B_Corsair_II_SAC_-_January_1970.pdf

#964, #2211, #706, #478, #881, #4236, #4237, #479, #932 – Vought A-7E Corsair II

- Avionics:
---Radar: AN/APQ-126(V)
---RWR: AN/APR-27 + AN/APR-25(V)
---Internal ECM: AN/ALQ-100
---CMD: AN/ALE-29A

- Engine:
---Designation: TF41-A-2
---Thrust: 15000 lbs. (military)/12950 lbs. (normal)
---Total fuel: 1476 USGal (total internal)

- Maximum weapon load: 19000 lbs. + 2 AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles
---2 Sidewinder rails
---4 3500lbs-capacity pylons
---2 2500lbs-capacity pylons

- For more information on possible loadouts, please consult the source document of the A-7A: the loadouts will be similar, and the last pages have nifty charts with all compatible stores and maximum number per pylon.

Sources:
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/A-7E_Corsair_II_SAC_-_April_1972.pdf

#480 – Vought A-7D Corsair II (early)

- Avionics:
---Radar: AN/APQ-126(V)
---RWR: AN/APR-37 + AN/APR-36
---CMD: AN/ALE-40(V)11

- Engine:
---Designation: TF41-A-1
---Thrust: 14250 lbs. (military)/12950 lbs. (normal)
---Total fuel: 1425 USGal (total internal)

- Maximum weapon load: 19000 lbs. + 2 AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles
---2 Sidewinder rails
---4 3500lbs-capacity pylons
---2 2500lbs-capacity pylons

- Used ECM pods (2):
---AN/ALQ-71(V)2 or (V)3
---AN/ALQ-87
---AN/ALQ-101(V)1, (V)3, (V)4 or (V)6
---AN/ALQ-119(V)16 or (V)17
---AN/ALQ-131(V)

- Used flare dispensers (2):
---SUU-25C or -25E
---SUU-42

- For more information on possible loadouts, please consult the source document: the last pages have nifty charts with all compatible stores and maximum number per pylon.

- Uses boom refuelling instead of probe refuelling.

Sources:
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/A-7D_Corsair_II_SAC_-_December_1986.pdf

#3029, #3748 – Vought A-7D Corsair II (late)

- Avionics:
---Radar: AN/APQ-126(V)
---RWR: AN/ALR-46
---CMD: AN/ALE-40(V)11
---Laser spot tracker: AN/AAS-35

- Engine:
---Designation: TF41-A-1
---Thrust: 14250 lbs. (military)/12950 lbs. (normal)
---Total fuel: 1425 USGal (total internal)

- Maximum weapon load: 19000 lbs. + 2 AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles
---2 Sidewinder rails
---4 3500lbs-capacity pylons
---2 2500lbs-capacity pylons

- Used ECM pods (2):
---AN/ALQ-71(V)2 or (V)3
---AN/ALQ-87
---AN/ALQ-101(V)1, (V)3, (V)4 or (V)6
---AN/ALQ-119(V)16 or (V)17
---AN/ALQ-131(V)

- Used flare dispensers (2):
---SUU-25C or -25E
---SUU-42

- For more information on possible loadouts, please consult the source document: the last pages have nifty charts with all compatible stores and maximum number per pylon.

- Uses boom refuelling instead of probe refuelling.

Sources:
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/A-7D_Corsair_II_SAC_-_December_1986.pdf

#2969, #2267, #1430, #2067 – Vought A-7H Corsair II

- Identical to the A-7E except in the absence of an in-flight refuelling system.

- Avionics:
---Radar: AN/APQ-126(V)
---RWR: AN/APR-27 + AN/APR-25(V)
---Internal ECM: AN/ALQ-100
---CMD: AN/ALE-29A

- Engine:
---Designation: TF41-A-2
---Thrust: 15000 lbs. (military)/12950 lbs. (normal)
---Total fuel: 1476 USGal (total internal)

- Maximum weapon load: 19000 lbs. + 2 AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles
---2 Sidewinder rails
---4 3500lbs-capacity pylons
---2 2500lbs-capacity pylons

- For more information on possible loadouts, please consult the source document of the A-7A: the loadouts will be similar, and the last pages have nifty charts with all compatible stores and maximum number per pylon.

Sources:
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/A-7E_Corsair_II_SAC_-_April_1972.pdf
https://www.vought.org/products/html/a-7h.html

#3028, #3746, #491, #3747 – Vought A-7K Corsair II

- Avionics:
---Radar: AN/APQ-126(V)
---RWR: AN/ALR-46
---CMD: AN/ALE-40(V)11
---Laser spot tracker: AN/AAS-35

- Engine:
---Designation: TF41-A-1A
---Thrust: 14500 lbs. (military)/13200 lbs. (normal)
---Total fuel: 1425 USGal (total internal)

- Maximum weapon load: 19000 lbs. + 2 AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles
---2 Sidewinder rails
---4 3500lbs-capacity pylons
---2 2500lbs-capacity pylons

- Used ECM pods (2):
---AN/ALQ-71(V)2 or (V)3
---AN/ALQ-87
---AN/ALQ-101(V)1, (V)3, (V)4 or (V)6
---AN/ALQ-119(V)16 or (V)17
---AN/ALQ-131(V)

- Used flare dispensers (2):
---SUU-25C or -25E
---SUU-42

- For more information on possible loadouts, please consult the source document: the last pages have nifty charts with all compatible stores and maximum number per pylon.

- Uses boom refuelling instead of probe refuelling.

Sources:
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/A-7K_Corsair_II_SAC_-_December_1986.pdf

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RE: Japanese ASW Weapons - 12/3/2018 9:36:32 PM   
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JMSDF P-1 has Link16 TADIL-J.
http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/others/service/kanshi_koritsu/h24/pdf/r-sheet/0041.pdf (Last page)




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RE: Japanese ASW Weapons - 12/4/2018 1:19:02 AM   
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Submarine with AIP, the speed of ONLY AIP is not that fast as it is in CMANO.

AIP engines are usually 5~6knots per hour, That's why JMSDF got new Soryu-class ship with lithium battery instead of AIP and Lead battery.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/did-sweden-make-americas-nuclear-submarines-obsolete-18908
https://defencyclopedia.com/2016/07/06/explained-how-air-independent-propulsion-aip-works/

Still silent but but fast.

The list of Subs with AIP is here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-independent_propulsion

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RE: Japanese ASW Weapons - 12/5/2018 5:47:45 AM   
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I don't believe KC45 has brought this up yet with his wealth of information on the SDF, but the Sea Sparrow missile armaments for the Japanese ships so equipped (Hatsuyuki, Asagiri, Haruna, and Shirane) are full of inconsistencies and badly need updating. Unfortunately, I do not read Japanese so I can only point out obvious problems and offer some suggestions.

First, as far as I can tell the RIM-7J designation never actually existed - in fact a Google search of “RIM-7J” only returns entries from the CMANO database. Instead, that weapon should be renamed RIM-7F (which is actually already included in its database descriptive title).

Second, you have ships armed RIM-7H, RIM-7J, and RIM-7M out of chronological order. For instance, Shirane 1980 has RIM-7M (the most advanced version) while Shirane 1981 has RIM-7H (the earliest version). While this is clearly wrong, I couldn't find reliable dates so I would suggest simply going by your database descriptive titles and having RIM-7H on entries prior to 1984, RIM-7J on entries 1984-1985, and RIM-7M on entries after that.

Third, the same ships have a different number of reloads under different entries (Hatsuyuki has 4 or 16, Asagiri has 4 or 12, Shirane has 8 or 16). Again, this is obviously not accurate but I do not have reliable sources. However, the times I did see a reload number mentioned it always seemed to be 8 (which would make sense given the 8 round launchers). Therefore, unless better information is available, I would suggest giving 8 Sea Sparrow reloads for all entries.

Finally, every ship is listed as carrying the Mk 29 launcher, which is not the case. Shirane had the older Mk 25 BPDMS launcher (already in the database) until her refit in 2004, when it was replaced with a GMLS-3 launcher derived from the Italian Albatros launcher (which is already in the database). Most other ships should also have the GMLS-3 although some did have the Mk 29. However, the source for this is machine translation of the Japanese language Wikipedia pages on the respective ship classes so confirmation would be needed (the Mk 25 though is clearly confirmed by photos).


Here is a list of my proposed changes:

Hatsuyuki 1982: Mk 29 with RIM-7H and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7H and 16 reloads)
Hatsuyuki 1986: Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 4 reloads)
Hatsuyuki 1992: Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 4 reloads)
Hatsuyuki 2006: Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 4 reloads)

Yamayuki 1985: GMLS-3 with RIM-7F and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 4 reloads)
Yamayuki 1986: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 4 reloads)
Yamayuki 1992: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 4 reloads)
Yamayuki 2006: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 4 reloads)

Asagiri 1989: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 4 reloads)
Asagiri 1992: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 12 reloads)
Asagiri 2012: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 12 reloads)

Hamagiri 1991: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 12 reloads)
Hamagiri 1992: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 12 reloads)
Hamagiri 2006: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 12 reloads)

Haruna 1987: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 8 reloads)
Haruna 1992: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads)
Haruna 2006: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads)

Shirane 1980: Mk 25 with RIM-7H and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads)
Shirane 1981: Mk 25 with RIM-7H and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7H and 8 reloads)
Shirane 1986: Mk 25 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 16 reloads)
Shirane 1990: Mk 25 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 16 reloads)
Shirane 1992: Mk 25 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 16 reloads)
Shirane 2006-2017: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 16 reloads)

Takatsuki 1986: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 8 reloads)
Takatsuki 1988: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 8 reloads)
Takatsuki 1990: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 8 reloads)
Takatsuki 1992-2003: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads)

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RE: Japanese ASW Weapons - 12/5/2018 1:32:28 PM   
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I don't believe KC45 has brought this up yet with his wealth of information on the SDF, but the Sea Sparrow missile armaments for the Japanese ships so equipped (Hatsuyuki, Asagiri, Haruna, and Shirane) are full of inconsistencies and badly need updating. Unfortunately, I do not read Japanese so I can only point out obvious problems and offer some suggestions.

First, as far as I can tell the RIM-7J designation never actually existed - in fact a Google search of “RIM-7J” only returns entries from the CMANO database. Instead, that weapon should be renamed RIM-7F (which is actually already included in its database descriptive title).

Second, you have ships armed RIM-7H, RIM-7J, and RIM-7M out of chronological order. For instance, Shirane 1980 has RIM-7M (the most advanced version) while Shirane 1981 has RIM-7H (the earliest version). While this is clearly wrong, I couldn't find reliable dates so I would suggest simply going by your database descriptive titles and having RIM-7H on entries prior to 1984, RIM-7J on entries 1984-1985, and RIM-7M on entries after that.

Third, the same ships have a different number of reloads under different entries (Hatsuyuki has 4 or 16, Asagiri has 4 or 12, Shirane has 8 or 16). Again, this is obviously not accurate but I do not have reliable sources. However, the times I did see a reload number mentioned it always seemed to be 8 (which would make sense given the 8 round launchers). Therefore, unless better information is available, I would suggest giving 8 Sea Sparrow reloads for all entries.

Finally, every ship is listed as carrying the Mk 29 launcher, which is not the case. Shirane had the older Mk 25 BPDMS launcher (already in the database) until her refit in 2004, when it was replaced with a GMLS-3 launcher derived from the Italian Albatros launcher (which is already in the database). Most other ships should also have the GMLS-3 although some did have the Mk 29. However, the source for this is machine translation of the Japanese language Wikipedia pages on the respective ship classes so confirmation would be needed (the Mk 25 though is clearly confirmed by photos).


Here is a list of my proposed changes:

Hatsuyuki 1982: Mk 29 with RIM-7H and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7H and 16 reloads)
Hatsuyuki 1986: Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 4 reloads)
Hatsuyuki 1992: Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 4 reloads)
Hatsuyuki 2006: Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 4 reloads)

Yamayuki 1985: GMLS-3 with RIM-7F and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 4 reloads)
Yamayuki 1986: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 4 reloads)
Yamayuki 1992: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 4 reloads)
Yamayuki 2006: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 4 reloads)

Asagiri 1989: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 4 reloads)
Asagiri 1992: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 12 reloads)
Asagiri 2012: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 12 reloads)

Hamagiri 1991: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 12 reloads)
Hamagiri 1992: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 12 reloads)
Hamagiri 2006: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 12 reloads)

Haruna 1987: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 8 reloads)
Haruna 1992: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads)
Haruna 2006: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads)

Shirane 1980: Mk 25 with RIM-7H and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads)
Shirane 1981: Mk 25 with RIM-7H and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7H and 8 reloads)
Shirane 1986: Mk 25 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 16 reloads)
Shirane 1990: Mk 25 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 16 reloads)
Shirane 1992: Mk 25 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 16 reloads)
Shirane 2006-2017: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 16 reloads)

Takatsuki 1986: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 8 reloads)
Takatsuki 1988: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 8 reloads)
Takatsuki 1990: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7J and 8 reloads)
Takatsuki 1992-2003: GMLS-3 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads (currently Mk 29 with RIM-7M and 8 reloads)


In addition, Radar/Illuminator of Shirane-class changed to FCS-2-12 from WM.25 when they got GMLS-3(RIM-7M).
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%97%E3%82%89%E3%81%AD%E5%9E%8B%E8%AD%B7%E8%A1%9B%E8%89%A6

and Takanami-class, Murasame-class had RIM-7P. Now ESSM.
Murasame 1996
Murasame 2001
Murasame 2006
Takanami 2003
Takanami 2004
http://www.deagel.com/Fighting-Ships/Murasame_a000394001.aspx

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/5/2018 2:16:51 PM   
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#1008 R08 - Queen Elizabeth (2018) aircraft carrier has incorrect radar, can carry 250 marines and has 3 passenger transport boats

1) Type 1045 Sampson MFR is incorrect, only fitted to UK Type 45 destroyers, please remove.

2) Missing a Type 1046 VSR/LRR [S.1850M], please add.

3) Can carry 250 marines

4) Has 3 passenger transport boats

See Wikipedia entry for HMS Queen Elizabeth R08

< Message edited by Zathred -- 12/9/2018 4:04:21 PM >

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