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ORIGINAL: Tookatee

Look I don't understand what's your vendetta against more options, but this discussion is clogging up this thread with irrelevant tangents rather than bugs/issues for the database.

Now, I'm going to restate my point again since you seem to not grasp it in it's entirety, these units I've specified take away from nothing by including them, there is no downsides for them being in the game, I understand the devs must prioritize what they work on and are completely free to do so as this is their software (I've been under the impression that this thread was for such recommendations and have received confirmation from another dev that these were "in the bucket" so to say for consideration to be worked on), but there are only so many military vehicles/weapons in existence and it makes little sense in my eyes to completely exclude the possibility of these items being included as you seem to be suggesting (especially as most of them would either bring armored vehicles to a nation that currently has none, or bring a nation's forces up to date in the database.)

Additionally, you are once again not realizing what I'm trying to say about your comment on unit performance. These units could ALSO be used in THEIR OWN SCENARIOS, independent of other broad reaching scenarios like a East vs West or North V South scenario. You however seem fixated on the performance impact of a scenario author (not CMANO) incorporating these units into one massive scenario, simply adding them to the database will do absolutely nothing to performance.

If you wish to respond further to this please edit your last comment to reflect your response rather than post a new comment as that would continue to flood this thread with more irrelevant posts. I will of course do the same to this comment in regards to this conversation, if you wish to continue it.

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ORIGINAL: apache85

Hey guys just a friendly reminder that this thread is for requests for platforms that are going to be used in community scenarios, and meaningful corrections to existing platforms. Unfortunately it's not practical for us to dedicate dev time to including sundry platforms simply because they exist(ed).

Also a reminder that references should be somewhat more detailed than a mention of Wikipedia. Include at least a link to the relevant page, please.

And finally, please check the most current version of the DB3k before posting an update request.

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ORIGINAL: apache85

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ORIGINAL: apache85

Hey guys just a friendly reminder that this thread is for requests for platforms that are going to be used in community scenarios, and meaningful corrections to existing platforms. Unfortunately it's not practical for us to dedicate dev time to including sundry platforms simply because they exist(ed).

Also a reminder that references should be somewhat more detailed than a mention of Wikipedia. Include at least a link to the relevant page, please.

And finally, please check the most current version of the DB3k before posting an update request.

Ok guys, enough essay writing. The above is not up for debate.

We make ongoing updates to the DB with player requests and don't ask anything more than to be treated with respect and that you follow the guidelines above.

Don't be the guy who ruined it for everyone.

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Virginia Payload Module (VPM)
The Navy plans to build the second of the two boats procured in FY2019, the second and third
boats requested for procurement in FY2020, the second of the two boats planned for procurement
in FY2021, and all subsequent Virginia-class boats with the Virginia Payload Module (VPM), an
additional, 84-foot-long, mid-body section equipped with four large-diameter, vertical launch
tubes for storing and launching additional Tomahawk missiles or other payloads.
The VPM’s vertical launch tubes are to be used to store and fire additional Tomahawk cruise
missiles or other payloads, such as large-diameter unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs).20 The
four additional launch tubes in the VPM could carry a total of 28 additional Tomahawk cruise
missiles (7 per tube),21 which would increase the total number of torpedo-sized weapons (such as
Tomahawks) carried by the Virginia class design from about 37 to about 65—an increase of about
76%.

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ORIGINAL: Tookatee
Just found a gamebreaking error, whenever you try to fire the Wan Chien Anti-Runway Cruise missile (a Taiwanese weapon for the F-CK-1D aircraft) all simulation stops and doesn't progress no matter the time compression (even if you open a new scenario.) This means you have to close and reopen the program (while also losing all your progress in the current scenario because it won't actually save the scenario, it may show that it had completed the save cycle but when you reopen the program the scenario is how it was when you last saved it or the new save file you created won't exist.)

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ORIGINAL: Tookatee
Another bug I just found, the warheads for the all variants of the nuclear Agni TELs (#2496-2499) function exactly the same as the conventional version of those facilities. No nuclear detonation occurs when the warhead impacts and it functions exactly the same as its conventional counterpart (no ability to choose a high altitude detonation), even saying that the conventional warheads had impacted the selected target despite the facility stating that the warheads are nuclear.

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ORIGINAL: ARCNA442
While I have long thought that min altitudes in the this game are rather conservative (eg in game an Argentinian A-4 has a min altitude of 300' over water when in real life they were attacking from below 50') and likely contribute to the problem of unrealistically effective defenses,

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ORIGINAL: Tookatee

Another weapons system that's missing are the conventional variants of the AS-16 Kickback, both an anti-ship variant using inertial guidance and an active radar seeker (the KH-15P, entered service in the late 80s) and a ARM variant with a passive radar seeker were produced (the KH-15S, developed into the early 90s). In fact in the description for the nuclear variant that's already in the database explicitly references these by both name and purpose. The warhead for the nuclear variant should be 350 kilotons, not 200.

Another issue concerning the Kickback is it's missing launch platforms; the SU-33, SU-34, and the Tu-95MS-6 (6 missile capacity) could all carry the Kickback.

Source: Wikipedia article for the AS-16.

Here is a picture describing the attack pattern of the ASM variant.

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ORIGINAL: Tookatee

The KH-41 Moskit is missing from the database. It is the air launched variant of the P-270 Moskit anti-ship missile and it entered service in 1990. It's weapons platforms are the SU-33, SU-34, SU-30MKI, SU-30MK, and SU-30MKK (all had a maximum capacity of one missile carried in the center-line pylon under the aircraft.) It has a maximum range of 250 km and a minimum range of 10km. It had either a conventional 150kg explosive or a 120 kiloton nuclear warhead.

Source: Wikipedia article for the P-270 Moskit and the Deagle dot com article on the KH-41.

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ORIGINAL: Tookatee

The new Admiral Gorshkov class frigate is missing from the database.

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The Russian Kirov class battle cruisers Pyotr Velikiy and Admiral Nakhimov (currently undergoing modernization, trials begin in 2020) are missing from the database, the two Kirov class cruisers currently included (two variants of the RKR Kirov at different dates) are of an outdated configuration and the ship itself is no longer in serivce and is being scrapped. See sources for exact armament/sensor differences, a prominent example is the addition of the 3M22 Zircon missile on the Admiral Nakhimov.

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Weapons

Iranian Air Force used various weapons options in conjunction with its F-4 Phantom operations. They included general purpose bombs; such as 500lb. Snakeye (x12) to 750lb. (x6) and 1,000lb. (x6) GP or retard versions. AIM-7E Sparrow and AIM-9P/J Sidewinder missiles were also carried regularly for air defense and fighter escort missions. Other weapons included the AGM-65A Maverick used in conjunction with TISEO electro-optical sensor, BL 755 cluster bomb customized for low-altitude delivery, Napalm tanks and LAU-61 rocket launchers. Iranian F-4Ds also used the SUU-23 gun pods to good effect.
Two Iranian F-4D Phantoms were tasked with striking a logistically important bridge near Basreh on September 29, 1981, employing LGBs. They used a buddy-lasing tactic, one acting as target designator at about 13,000ft equipped with AVQ-9 Pave Light laser designator. The target was hit, but a short time later an SA-6 missile homed in on the designating aircraft. Both crew ejected as the aircraft was destroyed.