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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/14/2019 12:52:14 PM   
BDukes

 

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Status: offline 		Hellos Again, Hello...Anybody else misses Lionel Ritchie?

Anyways...

Please Adds Bangladesh Hegu (P 8111 Durbar) IOC 1983-84 x5

Nice picture

http://files.balancer.ru/forums/attaches/2019/06/07-7569561-137417.jpg

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Datas.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160305081228/https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/bangladesh/bns-durbar.htm


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/14/2019 6:48:30 PM   
FrangibleCover

 

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Status: offline 		Okay, let’s talk about Yugoslavia and the SOKO J-22 Orao/IAR-93 Vultur. I'd like to apologise at this stage for the amount of time you're going to have to spend translating Serbian into your language of choice.

All variants - Should be armed with 2x GSh-23l. This shouldn't be confused with a misunderstanding of the Gast Principle, there is a twin-barrelled gun on the right hand side and a twin-barrelled gun on the left hand side. Additionally no 1500l tank is available, 800l centreline or 500l wing tanks were used instead.

New Weapon - NRZ-128 Munja. A Yugoslav 5" class rocket carried in four round pods on many Yugoslav aircraft. Comes in M-74 HE and M-80 HEAT flavours.
http://www.vti.mod.gov.rs/index.php?view=actuality&type=reference&category=2&id=119

MiG-21MF (L-15) https://www.mycity-military.com/imgs2/78013_452375632_L-15%2022823.jpg
J-22 Orao II http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=8t27gd811479moemooifftp8u0&action=dlattach;topic=20.0;attach=12871;image
MiG-21bis (L-17) https://www.mycity-military.com/imgs2/78013_193875283_L-17%2017104.jpg

New Weapon - FAB-275 M91. A Yugoslav thermobaric bomb, weighing 275kg. The 'FAB' name is a deception, they were really fuel-air explosives. Can be fitted instead of a 280kg BL.775 to any Orao variant. Also used in a ground launched variant as a field expedient in the civil wars.
http://www.clusterconvention.org/files/2011/07/BiH-Stockpile-destruction-.pdf

#2334 and #1653 J-22 Orao I - Should be renamed "IJ-22 Orao" and these aircraft should be armed. The J designation means Attacker, approximately contextually similar to Sturmovik, and the appended I means reconnaissance or scout, so they're recon/attack aircraft. The early J-22s without an afterburner were quickly relegated to reconnaissance roles, it's true, but they used a camera pod and they were perfectly capable of carrying normal loadouts if required in addition to their inbuilt guns. Attached below is a loadout chart which I'm afraid is a little low resolution, the only particularly difficult thing to read is the bottom right one which says "VR Grom", the Yugoslav name for the Kh-23M. Recon pod options are the Vinten 880 which I can't find much about but think is a LOROP system or the ILS 401 Infra-red Line Scanner. Some sources also claim they could take the pods from the MiG-21R but I'm less sure about that.
https://i.imgur.com/EnYOGyO.png
http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?topic=20.870;imode - Info on recon pods
http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?action=printpage;topic=20.0

#2335 and #1652 J-22 Orao II - Missing the #1562 BL.775 cluster bomb, the #1032 Durandal and the FAB-275 M91, all of which would be carried one on each outboard and two on the inboards for a total of six. Dates should be 1985-1991 for the Yugoslav one, although an out of service date with Yugoslavia is a tough thing to define given that Yugoslavia went out of service rather than the aircraft.

Around 14 Orao IIs were upgraded to carry other weapons, such as the AGM-65B Maverick. These should probably be a different database entry so that you can have Maverick Oraos and non-Maverick Oraos at the same base. Mavericks on the inner hardpoints caused compressor stalls so they're limited to two per aircraft, with the inner hardpoints carrying either nothing, two four shot NRZ-128 pods or two sixteen shot S-5 pods.
https://www.mycity-military.com/imgs2/119099_55770627_yugoslav_j-22_orao___agm-65_maverick.jpg
https://img.youtube.com/vi/PlkkEBQg5As/0.jpg
https://forums.eugensystems.com/download/file.php?id=5849&sid=5970a30f8ec0bffa07fe23ca4de7866c
https://www.mycity-military.com/imgs2/65178_220028707_Capture_16.jpg - Screen on right, extra control stick lower left, ECM controls upper left for the ELT-459

Some (unknown number) had VRTIO jammer/ELINT pods for electronic recon and six Italian built Elettronica ELT-459 podded noise jammers were available.
https://www.mycity-military.com/imgs/65178_305139313_11000.jpg - VRTIO
Unfortunately all internet data on the ELT-459s seems to have gone down the memory hole.

A useful hypothetical aircraft might be the INJ-22M Orao, which Gunner98 has expressed interest in for one of his scenarios. It's a two seat reconnaissance Orao with an Ericsson built SLAR fixed underneath the fuselage for naval recon. One built for tests, more intended pre-breakup. Not armed, unfortunately, it seems I got some wires crossed about acquisition of RBS-15 missiles. The use of jammers and countermeasures packs is very likely in service.
https://www.mycity-military.com/slika.php?slika=157102_158552718_Orao%20Yu-38.jpg - Radar visible under the centreline behind the air brakes.

As for the #398 Vultur, it's much less complicated. I've attached another loadout diagram showing what it should look like, the most notable addition being 500kg bombs in two, three or five options and PRIND-122 122mm rockets which are visible in the attached photo. Some information also suggests that SEBAV-1 submunition dispensers were in service but I haven’t got much on them.
http://www.incas.ro/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=135&Itemid=118
https://cdn-live.warthunder.com/uploads/4d/44/ec/ea7e32814b3b04f1dd520dacbf1c63788b_mq/3728715c376c5252a0e0cc155d26f01d.jpg

I have had a friend help me in looking for sources for this proposal and he'd also like to make a few points about Yugoslavia/Serbia.

Yugoslavia and Serbia should have access to the MiG-21R (local designation L-14i, L-14 being the MiG-21PFM) with its "D" and "R" Pods, D being an optical pod with AFA-39 100mm and ASHFAFA-5M 200mm cameras and R being an ELINT pod, both fitted with the ASO-21 chaff/flare system. The MiG-21MFs had a KA-112A LORAP pod for long range visual recon. Serbian MiG-21Rs were fitted with S-5 or NRZ-128 rockets as a field expedient for armed recon.
https://www.mycity-military.com/Avioni/Izvidjaci-MiG-21-u-JRV-i-PVO.html - Page also includes pictures of the Vinten system from the Orao
https://tangosix.rs/2015/02/11/istorija-domace-upotrebe-lovca-presretaca-mig-21/ - "Pilots performed high-risk flights and were often sent on tasks that were highly irrational. After valuable experience, planes often armed themselves with non-guided rocket beads so that when targets were discovered, they could take combat action."

Yugoslav MiG-21s should have the BL.775 instead of the RBK series of cluster bombs.
https://www.mycity-military.com/imgs2/78013_193875283_L-17%2017104.jpg

Yugoslavia apparently never received RBK series bombs so they should be removed from the MiG-29. I'd like to include a link but you can't prove a negative.

Yugoslavia maintained a small number of Ka-25BSh (1975) and Ka-28 (1987) ASW helicopters which were passed on to Serbia. They also had multiple variants of the SA.341 Gazelle, a full accounting being available from the link but honestly adding a Forward Observer loadout to the current #1484 and #2340 Gazelles to represent the HERAs and putting in an armed copy called HN-42 GaMa (Gazelle Malyutka) or similar would probably be fine. If you want to go all out then make a pair of SA.341Ls that have the same loadouts but the later Astazou XIV engine, designated HO-45 and HN-45 GaMa respectively and available from 1986. The fates of the aircraft are noted and most seem to have passed to Serbia with a couple suitable for addition to Bosnia and Montenegro too.
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/yugo/af2/types/helis.htm
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/yugo/af2/types/gazelle.htm
https://tangosix.rs/2013/08/10/40-godina-sluzbe-helikoptera-gazela-u-jugoslovenskim-vazduhoplovstvima/

The GaMa is equipped rather oddly with four #796 9M14P Malyutka missiles and two #635 Strela-2M missiles (technically slightly domestically improved Strela-2M/A variants), along with the same APX-334 Athos sights as French Gazelles use.
https://tangosix.rs/2015/13/03/video-reportaza-demonstracija-naoruzavanja-helikoptera-gama/

Finally, he's sent me a big article on strap-on countermeasure dispensers that I can't read because it's in Serbian and can’t find the button to attach but his summary is as follows:
Most Yugoslav aircraft were fitted for countermeasures dispensers that did not interfere with weapons carriage but not enough were available to go around, so the best thing to do is to mark them as Optional weapons and then use limited munitions to withhold them rather than doubling the number of loadouts for every Yugoslav aircraft just to have versions with and without countermeasures.

IJ-22 Orao gets two PIO-65-13 pods with 65 flares and 13 chaff bundles each when in reconnaissance config. Enough were available for all aircraft.
MiG-21s gets two PO-MIG pods with 20 flares and 80 chaff bundles each, fitted to the RATO hardpoints on the fuselage.
J-22 Orao II gets two POJR-L containers with 20 flares and 8 chaff bundles on the RATO hardpoints and a POJR-S container under the fuselage with another 40 flares.
J-21 Jastreb uses two POJR-L.
G-4 Super Galeb gets two POJ-264 with 40 flares and 8 chaff bundles.
An-26 gets two PIO-096 pods with 80 flares and 16 chaff bundles.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/foihkozv41s3gd3/downloaded.pdf/file

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/14/2019 10:43:29 PM   
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Possible error on the C-802AK/YJ-83K (DB3000 Weapon_2137). This is the air-launched version of the C-802A.

Logged.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/15/2019 10:05:31 PM   
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Further links and the original you tube clip are on the Naval and Defence News thread.
In short the news articles show an S-300 (S-400?) system with quad pack 9M96-D(?)and the first apparently seen in the wild with an operational unit, not at a defence Expo.
For consideration of amending S-300PMU2 S-400 facilities? 😁
In service dates possibly from Dec 2018 when 9M96(D 1 etc) was cleared on the Gorshkov Frigate?
Thanks
K

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/20/2019 12:36:31 AM   
CV60


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Status: offline 		Addition to DB3000 Weapon_2864 and Weapon_2864 (CM-400AKG) This reports states the launch envelope is between 750-800 km/hr (404-432 knots): https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/198-november-2013-news-aviation-air-force-industry/924-cm-400akg-a-new-export-variant-of-an-anti-ship-missile-from-china-russian-media.html

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/20/2019 11:26:01 AM   
jun5896

 

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1. #4107 F-23A Black Widow II (2016) is using AN/APG-77 AESA, that's medium-range radar.

However F-22A Raptor radar was upgraded with AN/APG-77(V)1 AESA in 2013.(According to the in-game database)

F-23(2016 variant) needs to replace AN/APG-77(V)1 ASEA radar with the stream.



2. F-14E AST-21. ST-21(proposed NATF program) need upgrade sensor to keep up with the times.


Let's look F-14E AST-21, ST-21 Sensors/EW



F-14E Advanced Super Tomcat-21 (2002 - #3491, 2003 - #4134, 2005 - #4144, 2008 - #4141, 2014 - #4158, 2016 - #4161, 2018 - #4579, 2020 - #4174)



F-14E Super Tomcat-21 (2002 - #3490, 2003 - #4130, 2005 - #4145, 2008 - #4142, 2014 - #4157, 2016 - #4160, 2018 - #4580, 2020 - #4175)

All sensor pods, DECM are same until now.


Here is F/A-18 E/F Sensors/EW.



In 2002, They were using AN/ALR-67(V)3 RWR system.



In 2011, Super Hornet has been upgraded new DECM pod.(AN/ALQ-214(V)2 IDECM)



In 2016, Also Super Hornet has been upgraded AN/ALQ-214(V)3 IDECM Pod.



Finally. Super Hornet are using AN/ALQ-214(V)4 IDECM Pod in 2018.


To sum up

2-1. AST-21 #3491, #4134, #4144, #4141 and ST-21 #3490, #4130, #4145, #4142 ; replace *AN/ALR-67(V)2 -> AN/ALR-67(V)3

2-2. AST-21 #4158 and ST-21 #4157 ; replace *AN/ALR-67(V)2 -> AN/ALR-67(V)3 *AN/ALQ-165 ASPJ -> AN/ALQ-214(V)2 IDECM

2-3. AST-21 #4161 and ST-21 #4160 ; replace *AN/ALR-67(V)2 -> AN/ALR-67(V)3 *AN/ALQ-165 ASPJ -> AN/ALQ-214(V)3 IDECM

2-4. AST-21 #4579, #4174 and #4580, #4175 ST-21 #4160 ; replace *AN/ALR-67(V)2 -> AN/ALR-67(V)3 *AN/ALQ-165 ASPJ -> AN/ALQ-214(V)4 IDECM

2-5. Quickstrike #4159(2016), #4578(2018), #4176(2020) ; replace *AN/ALQ-165 ASPJ -> AN/ALQ-214(V)5 IDECM(refer F/A-18C USN, 2016)

I should be appreciated if you would check to fix that for next update. Thanks.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/20/2019 3:17:25 PM   
jun5896

 

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Status: offline 		3. Make more powerful and useful for F-16XL(it's die out since 2001)



First, F-16XL(#4190, #4191, #4192, #4193, #4194) mounts outdated radar.

F-16CJ Block 50 - 52 Falcon mount more new-type radar called AN/APG-68(V)5 in 1993, F-16XL replace newer radar that should be powerful matching ETF program.


But F-16XL was cut off in the 21st century, which will upload to according F-16's lineage and finally mount in accordance with F-16V.

I consult the materials from F-16CM, F-15E and F-16V in the database, it needs new five classification numbers.


Please give favourable consideration to this request below.


3-1. F-16XL #4190, #4191, #4192, #4193, #4194 replace radar AN/APG-68 -> AN/APG-68(V)5


3-2. F-16XL (2003) from USAF

Sensors/EW

(+) AN/APG-68(V)9 CCIP

Aircraft Stores

(+) #56 AGM-130F CWW [BLU-118/B]
(+) #22 AGM-65K Maverick IR
(+) #897 AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM P3I.2; replace from #946 AIM-120C AMRAAM P3I.1
(+) #802 CBU-97/B SFW [10 x BLU-108/B Anti-Tank Bomblets]
(+) #93 GBU-38(V)1/B JDAM [Mk82]
(-) #717 CBU-52/B CB [217 x BLU-61/B Frag Bomblets]
(-) #714 CBU-71A/B CB [650 x BLU-86/B Frag Bomblets]
(-) #222 CBU-87/B CEM [202 x BLU-97/B Dual-Purpose Bomblets]
(-) #712 CBU-89/B GATOR [45 x BLU-91/B Bomblets + 15 x BLU-92/B Mines]
(-) #179 GBU-15(V)1/B CWW EO [Mk84]
(-) #1041 GBU-15(V)2/B CWW IIR [Mk84]
(-) #102 GBU-15(V)31/B CWW EO [BLU-109/B]
(-) #100 GBU-15(V)32/B CWW IIR [BLU-109/B]
(-) #1498 Mk20 Rockeye II CB [247 x Mk118 Dual Purpose Bomblets]


3-3. F-16XL (2005) from USAF

Mounts/Stores/Weapons

(+) AN/ALE-45 x 8 [120 Cartridges] from change AN/ALE-45 x 8 [144 Cartridges]
(+) AN/ALE-58 x 2 [320 Cartridges]

Aircraft Stores

(+) #945 AIM-9X Sidewinder; replace from #1384 AIM-9M Sidewinder
(+) #920 AGM-158A JASSM [Penetrator]
(+) #459 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper XR Pod [FLIR + LRMTS, 40k ft]
(-) #1903 AGM-130A CWW [Mk84]
(-) #59 AGM-130C CWW [BLU-109/B]
(-) #56 AGM-130F CWW [BLU-118/B]


3-4. F-16XL (2008) from USAF

Aircraft Stores

(+) #718 AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM P3I.3; replace from #897 AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM P3I.2
(+) #2259 GBU-54(V)1/B LJDAM [Mk82]
(+) #484 GBU-39/B SDB


3-5. F-16XL (2016) from USAF

Aircraft Stores

(+) #51 AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4; replace from #718 AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM P3I.3


3-6. F-16XL (2018) from USAF

Sensors/EW

(+) AN/APG-83 SABR AESA; replace from AN/APG-68(V)9 CCIP

Aircraft Stores

(+) 500 USG Conformal Tank
(+) #11 AGM-158B JASSM-ER
(+) #2855 GBU-53/B SDB-II


It seems like F-16 baseline + F-15E Role, If you change F-16XL with the greatest care, it gets more interesting for US sides.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/21/2019 6:22:41 AM   
Dysta


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Status: offline 		H-6K’s weapon bay door is not welded shut, it is a usable space to drop just as many bombs as older variants:

https://twitter.com/OedoSoldier/status/1175217736261066752



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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/21/2019 11:06:25 PM   
CV60


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Status: offline 		Minor error for LS 32series of glide bombs (DB3000 Weapon_3481, Weapon_3226)

According to "Chinese Satellites Turn 'dumb? Bombs into 'smart? Bombs." Taipei Times. Last modified January 3, 2012. http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2012/01/03/2003522296. The CEP of these weapons is 15 m, vice the 10 m in the database. This same source claims a range of 21 nm when released at 26,000ft. and 32.3nm when released at 32,800 ft. This is in contrast to the 12 nm range given in the database. Arguing in favor of the longer range is the fact that the GBU-39 SDB is listed as having a range of up to 60nm, and the FT-2 series has a similar range of 21-32nm. See also "PLA Guided Bombs." Air Power Australia. Accessed September 21, 2019. https://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-GBU.html which gives the range of the LS-6-500 as 60 km/32 nm.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/22/2019 11:43:40 AM   
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I dunno if I have come across a glitch or a deliberate omission from the DB3000. I was looking to put together a scenario with the some Flankers as part of an air wing, however I went to add the naval SU-33 and it advised me that I had run out of parking space, I then tried the Chinese versions of the Flanker to the same effect. It appears that the "carrier capable" title is missing from the database entries for the navalised flankers.

Could this be added or am I missing something?


Ive added the scenario should anyone want to have a look
Regards

Butch

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/22/2019 2:29:46 PM   
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DB3000 Facility_329 (SSM Bn C-802, China) and Facility_904 (SSM Bn C-802, Iran) are both equipped with the C-802 missile. This is incorrect.

Logged for correction.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/22/2019 5:32:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Could we get an Iranian Quds-1 missile added to the DB please?

https://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/1208062/meet-the-quds-1/

Information is a bit sparse unfortunately.




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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/24/2019 6:32:02 PM   
FrangibleCover

 

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Status: offline 		The #1535 A-4SU Super Skyhawk and #3621 TA-4SU Super Skyhawk are looking rather down in the dumps, indeed they're currently less useful than the A-4S1s they're replacing.

New Avionics:
Pave Penny Laser Spot Tracker
Significant navigational widgets, although nothing to make it night-strike capable
New RWR
Countermeasures packs of some sort
HDD for Maverick (AGM-65B probably)

The new engine currently only increases fuel consumption, with no other effects on cruise or dash speeds, but the Super Skyhawk is universally quoted to be faster. I don't know your exact speed methodologies so I can't recommend changes other than GO FAST.

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1624
http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/singaporeskyhawksmy_1.htm
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ubDgAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA69&lpg=PA69&dq=a-4su+super+skyhawk+agm-65&source=bl&ots=zC5OBRCu0j&sig=ACfU3U26I4WBCIpmBUVALCGm7rLyTeLcWg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiThLO1hOrkAhXjmFwKHfC-Bl0Q6AEwEnoECAkQAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Now we get to the bit that I can't quite prove: Shrike
"The RSAF is also understood to be interested in acquiring an improved air-to-surface anti-radiation missile capability to supersede the AGM-45 Shrike."
Source on them from 2004.

Now, I hold my hands up at this point. The trail goes cold. Shrike could have been operated by either Singaporean F-16As or Singaporean Skyhawks... But the Skyhawks are wired for it out of the box and the Vipers aren't!



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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/25/2019 10:31:03 PM   
BDukes

 

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Status: offline 		Ok look like Russia finally IOC new SA-15 versions. One to add is Tor-M2DT. IOC start was 2018 but probably 2019,

https://www.janes.com/article/91518/russian-mod-speeds-up-acquisition-of-tor-sam-systems

Tor-M2 (#2162)is fine in DB. Tor-M2DT is weird arctic tracker variant that is going to serve in Kola and Far East arctic. Missile and systems same as #2162. Vehicle size and weights differ

quote:

The DT-30PM has a curb weight of 31,500 kg, a payload of 30,000 kg and a length of 16.08 m, width of 3.10 m and a height of 3.33 m.


http://www.military-today.com/missiles/tor_m2dt.htm
https://armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_missile_system_vehicle_uk/tor-m2dt_arctic_short-range_air_defense_missile_system_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video_12104174.html

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/25/2019 10:56:13 PM   
BDukes

 

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Status: offline 		K-9 Thunder very popular artillerys now.

South Korean versions in DB #2196
Turkish version is in DB #1724
Poland version is #2048

Norwegians just receive firsts.
https://www.janes.com/article/91431/norway-receives-its-first-k9-self-propelled-howitzer

Indian..IOC for first regiment this year called K-9 Varina

https://www.janes.com/article/84524/indian-army-inducts-two-howitzer-types

Finland (x48)

https://www.janes.com/article/83805/south-korea-s-k9-self-propelled-artillery-production-to-roll-into-2021

Infos on Ammo sold by SK

https://www.janes.com/article/45406/south-korean-ammunition-for-the-world-market-id14d2

In addition, Poongsan manufactures a complete range of 105mm and 155mm artillery ammunition, with the latter including the 155mm K307 base bleed high-explosive round, which has a maximum range of 41km when fired from the 155mm/52 calibre K9 self-propelled artillery system currently deployed by the ROK Army.


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/25/2019 11:12:38 PM   
BDukes

 

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Status: offline 		Very importants for CMANO as these targets cost weapons to hit.
Looks like US APS systems are like this
Trophy APS (same as Israel) tanks for US Army and Marine M1's. 2020
https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/ausa/2017/10/09/europe-bound-army-to-urgently-field-abrams-tanks-with-trophy-active-protection-system/
https://www.janes.com/article/85637/leonardo-drs-awarded-second-contract-for-trophy-aps
Isreali System Infos (likely similars for US)
https://www.janes.com/article/73762/neutralising-all-threats-dsei17d1
Leonardo Data sheet. Looks like M1 has HV
https://www.leonardodrs.com/media/6346/trophy_datasheet.pdf
Iron Fist on Bradleys
IOC probably not 2022
https://www.janes.com/article/90827/bradley-integration-of-iron-fist-aps-back-on-track-deliveries-expected-by-end-of-2020
Looks like Israeli's on Eitain and Dutch CV-90 too.
https://www.janes.com/article/90545/israeli-ministry-of-defense-selects-elbit-systems-iron-fist-light-decoupled-active-protection-system-for-the-eitan-afv
https://www.janes.com/article/91385/royal-netherlands-army-selects-iron-fist-aps-for-cv90

Iron Curtain on Strykers

https://www.janes.com/article/85597/us-military-buys-additional-trophy-aps-rafael-pushes-light-version-for-bradley-and-stryker


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/25/2019 11:17:18 PM   
BDukes

 

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Status: offline 		Indonesian Sigma's get Exocet Blk III (#2367 test ship but #3019 likely gets as well)

https://www.janes.com/article/90905/indonesia-conducts-first-firing-of-exocet-mm40-block-3-from-sigma-corvette

Thank!


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/25/2019 11:24:27 PM   
FrangibleCover

 

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Status: offline 		Mirage Agility figures are a bit of a mess.

The Mirage III gets agility 3 and the Mirage 5 gets agility 3.5. I consider this a bit weird but I guess the lighter Mirage 5s maybe did handle that much better. The exception to the rule is the Nesher series which are stuck at agility 3 and should perhaps be improved, or the rest nerfed?

The Kfir gets Agility 4 up from the usual Mirage 5 standard of 3.5, which is presumably due to the addition of canards on the outside of the air intakes. This is fair enough, but the following aircraft also received canards (most of them made by IAI!) and should have similar agility improvements:
The entire Cheetah series
#1812 Mirage 50EV - Should also have probe IFR, AN/ALE-40 dispensers, Durandal, SNEB in the JL-100 and possibly some other weapons that are mentioned in the link
#2216 Mirage 50EV
#1251 Mirage 50FC Pantera
#1257 Mirage 5COAM
#2256 Mirage 5COAM
#1266 Mirage IIIS - This is a Mirage III so maybe up to 3.5?
New Aircraft - Mirage IIIRS (1990)

While I'm at it, the #3065 Mirage 5BR with the jammer has managed to lose its reconnaissance cameras which should be precisely the same as on the #3064 Mirage 5BR.

A related addition: Mirage Elkan and Mirage MIRSIP

In the late 80s the Belgians wanted to upgrade some of their Mirage 5s to provide more modern strike capabilities. The upgrade included:
Canards on the air intakes similar to the Kfir.
"ECM" - Unclear as to whether this is the same LORAL Rapport II as on the older Mirage 5BAs or the LORAL Rapport III that had previously been experimented with on Belgian F-16As.
Countermeasure dispensers.
Laser rangefinder and FLIR unit under the cockpit.
Loads And Loads Of Avionicy Bits, most of which CMANO doesn't care about.

These upgrades were for both the Mirage 5BAs of 8 Squadron and the Mirage 5BRs of 42 Squadron but unfortunately the story doesn't end here. In 1992 the Belgian Air Force decided that they didn't need these new aircraft but found that it was more expensive to cancel the contract than it was to build some aircraft and then try to sell them. In the end 15 upgraded aircraft were sold to Chile under the name "Elkan" along with 5 upgraded Mirage 5BD trainers and 4 unupgraded Mirage 5BR recce aircraft in 1994, entering service in 1995. I have no reason to believe any changes were made to the armament of these aircraft except Chilean aircraft getting Python 3 and Python 4.

Summary of additions:
# Mirage 5MA Elkan -- Chile (Air Force), 1995
# Mirage 5BR -- Chile (Air Force), 1995

and for Gunner98

# Mirage 5BA MIRSIP -- Belgium (Air Force), 1994 (Hypothetical)
# Mirage 5BR MIRSIP -- Belgium (Air Force), 1994 (Hypothetical)

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/26/2019 1:07:01 PM   
LORDPrometheus

 

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Status: offline 		Morning Wayne don't have a specific entry to fix or add today but instead a country that appears to have been forgotten. Djibouti is not in the database and while not a major power by any means it does have a military and I was planning on featuring it in a small scenario as an ally to the player faction. I've done what I can to find their current military assets good news is most are already in game just need a new country added.

Air Force:
- 2x Xian MA60 (chinese An-24 clone)
- 2x Harbin Y-12E
- 1x Cessna 208 (can probably be ignored)
- 1x Lat L410
- 2x Short C-23 Sherpa formerly US aircraft
- 2x Mi-17 arrived in the early 90s so likely a Hip H
- 2x Mi-35 not sure on date of purchase but likely original export version
- 1x Eurocopter AS335
- 4x Eurocopter AS365

Ground facilities are not crucial for my scenario but at the very least here are their air defenses
- 5x Bofors L/70
- 5x ZU-23-2
- 5x 20 mm modèle F2 gun

With all them listed as having 5 of each I feel like that number is a placeholder but I can't be sure.

The Djibouti Navy consists of:
- 6x Swari class inshore patrol boats
- 2x Metal shark 28 patrol boats
- 2x EDIC landing craft

They also have a coastguard with 8 boats but I don't believe those are armed.

Again just a small country that seems to have been forgotten and would be easy to implement

Anyway cheers!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/26/2019 1:58:51 PM   
LORDPrometheus

 

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Status: offline 		Sorry for a new post but less details here.

Noticing the lack of Djibouti I checked more and found that the database is also lacking a large number of other countries. Most don't have much of a military to speak of or are not likely to enter any sort of war so scenarios are not obvious but here are a few I think should be added.

Turkmenistan: actually has a decent sized army and a neo Soviet unification war a la Georgia is a good scenario idea IMO
Kyrgistan:tiny military but same reasoning ad above
Tajikistan: helicopter only but same reasoning as before.
Uzbekistan: seriously they have a larger air Force than most NATO nation's
Azerbaijan: this one is actually the most out of place for me given it's reasonably sized military and unstable geopolitical situation.

All of these are just cool things that could be added as it is all their equipment is ex soviet and easily just added using other nations but it would be nice to have them included

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/26/2019 3:24:53 PM   
stilesw


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quote:

Djibouti is not in the database

Ryan,

This request is a very easy fix. Added for the next DB release.

Turkmenistan, Kyrgistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan may also show up as well.

-Wayne

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/26/2019 4:50:52 PM   
orca

 

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Status: offline 		I hope to initiate a discussion on China ASW sensor capabilities to include VDS, TASS, and sonobuoys. Precise info on the capabilities of modern China ASW sensors is unavailable. Therefore database characteristics of these are just guesses. The capabilities of China ASW capabilities can be reasonably considered to be less advanced than other countries with a longer history of ASW warfare.

However much of the China ASW technology in the DB is 1970s or 1980s generation, even for ships being launched in the 2020s. It seems reasonable to impose a technology “penalty” compared to some other countries. But a 40 year technology penalty for a country that, in general, is a world leader in technology seems too much.

What do others think?

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/27/2019 7:07:06 AM   
Tookatee

 

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Status: offline 		All variants of the RC-12, the #3321 MC-12W, and the #3323 Shadow R.1 have an unrealistically low agility value of only .5 (this makes these aircraft less maneuverable than enormous cargo aircraft such as the C-5 Galaxy [with an agility value of 1].) These small turboprop aircraft have a rate of climb higher than that of the C-5 (2450 feet per minute vs only 2100 feet per minute on the C-5) and therefore have a much smaller turning circle. Because of this their agility value should be set at 1.2 (placing it above large cargo aircraft like the C-5, but below single engine turboprop attack aircraft like the #3745 Super Tucano.)

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-5_Galaxy , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_C-12_Huron , https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=168 , and https://www.globalair.com/aircraft-for-sale/Specifications?specid=63

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/27/2019 3:14:41 PM   
stilesw


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quote:

Could we get an Iranian Quds-1 missile added to the DB please?
https://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/1208062/meet-the-quds-1/
Information is a bit sparse unfortunately.

Case,

If you can ferret out any more material on this missile it will greatly increase the chance of it being included in a future DB3K update.

Thanks for the request,

-Wayne

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/27/2019 7:57:39 PM   
CV60


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Status: offline 		Minor error to DB3000 Weapon_1148 AGM-12A Bullpup aka ASM-N-7 aka GAM-83. The weight is given as 810kg. While I have been unable to find authoritative sources giving the actual weight of the AGM-12A, it was modified a year after release into the AGM-12B aka ASM-N-7b aka GAM-83A which has a weight of only 259 kg. See http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-12.html and attached The modification between the -12A and -12B was mainly in substituting a solid fuel rocket with a liquid rocket engine and improving the warhead. See also FLIGHT, 6 November 1959 (attached below). Therefore, a weight lower than the listed 810 kg is likely for the AGM-12A.




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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/27/2019 8:39:31 PM   
Tookatee

 

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Status: offline 		I think I know where they got the 810 kg value, as that's the weight of the AGM-12C and B, two of the most produced versions of the Bullpup. Also, according to your cited source after a year into production the Bullpup was updated to the A standard in 1960 and not the B (the Bullpup B did not enter service until 1964, where its 453 kg warhead boosted it up to its 810 kg mass.)

http://www.pmulcahy.com/PDFs/air_weapons/air-to-surface%20missiles.pdf This source that I found lists the Bullpup A as weighing 259kg, with corroborates what your source states about the warhead weight being about 113 kg for the Bullpup A.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/27/2019 9:17:39 PM   
CV60


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tookatee

I think I know where they got the 810 kg value, as that's the weight of the AGM-12C and B, two of the most produced versions of the Bullpup. Also, according to your cited source after a year into production the Bullpup was updated to the A standard in 1960 and not the B (the Bullpup B did not enter service until 1964, where its 453 kg warhead boosted it up to its 810 kg mass.)

http://www.pmulcahy.com/PDFs/air_weapons/air-to-surface%20missiles.pdf This source that I found lists the Bullpup A as weighing 259kg, with corroborates what your source states about the warhead weight being about 113 kg for the Bullpup A.

quote:

I think I know where they got the 810 kg value, as that's the weight of the AGM-12C and B, two of the most produced versions of the Bullpup. Also, according to your cited source after a year into production the Bullpup was updated to the A standard in 1960 and not the B (the Bullpup B did not enter service until 1964, where its 453 kg warhead boosted it up to its 810 kg mass.)

http://www.pmulcahy.com/PDFs/air_weapons/air-to-surface%20missiles.pdf This source that I found lists the Bullpup A as weighing 259kg, with corroborates what your source states about the warhead weight being about 113 kg for the Bullpup A.

< Message edited by Tookatee -- 9/27/2019 8:41:12 PM >


I agree. The AGM-12C Bullpup B, aka ASM-N-7b has a different warhead. The database correctly gives its weight at 810 kg. As far as I can determine, both the AGM-12A and AGM-12B should be 259 kg, and should be close to each other in their various dimensions. The article I attached specified that the dimensions and weight it gives are for the GAM-83A, which is the AGM-12B


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/27/2019 9:41:02 PM   
CV60


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Status: offline 		Possible error in AGM-130A DB3000 Weapon_1903.
The database gives a range of 2-40 nm, and a release altitude of 65,000. In contrast, http://www.deagel.com/Offensive-Weapons/AGM-130A-IR_a001071006.aspx gives a minimum range of 5 nm, and a maximum release altitude of 30,000 feet. I have been unable to confirm these numbers with any other sources, but I have similarly not been able to find any different numbers.

Edit: These same changes should be made to the AGM-130C, AGM-130E, AGM-130F (DB3000 Weapon_59, Weapon_58, Weapon_56)

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/28/2019 12:30:29 AM   
Tookatee

 

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Status: offline 		Here are two additional sources that support that 30,000 feet figure.

https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-130.htm
https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104579/agm-130-missile/

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/28/2019 4:49:21 AM   
Tookatee

 

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Status: offline 		All variants of the Chukar UAV (#943 and #2690-2692) erroneously have the Mk1 Eyeball sensor despite the fact that it is an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle that also has no camera to speak of (both IRL and in the sensor listing for each in the DB3000 database.)

Note the lack of any camera or small cage with a person.

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