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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/24/2013 8:11:54 PM   
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The three hardbound volumes + maps will be at a lower price (about half) than the Essen package which includes the maps.

Erik,
Did you mean "The three hardbound volumes WITHOUT THE maps ..."

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/24/2013 9:14:09 PM   
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The three hardbound volumes + maps will be at a lower price (about half) than the Essen package which includes the maps.

Erik,
Did you mean "The three hardbound volumes WITHOUT THE maps ..."


Is this like at the grocers where they advertise the extra large eggs for the price of the medium eggs and have to honor it?




< Message edited by Missouri_Rebel -- 10/24/2013 9:22:50 PM >

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/24/2013 9:25:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Boy, it sure is tough to get a handle on the price... USD$207 with the map at Essen, but the announcement says this is a ballpark of the final price, not the actual price... but without the map it's half whatever that figure is... but that's for the game, shipping is extra... and AI is extra (maybe, if that day comes)...

Final price = ??? (I'll guess USD$150)
Shipping = ??? (I'll guess $20 for 5+ day delivery)
AI = ??? (I'll guess $50)

What do you guys thin, that sound about right?

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/24/2013 9:29:47 PM   
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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/24/2013 9:55:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now thats fair Eric about the November 7th price release, I just felt that some of us non board gamers might not need the map. The map is beautiful and there may be a lot of board game owners who would enjoy such a map.

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/25/2013 4:06:22 AM   
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The three hardbound volumes + maps will be at a lower price (about half) than the Essen package which includes the maps.

Erik,
Did you mean "The three hardbound volumes WITHOUT THE maps ..."


Sorry about that! Meant to say "+ DVD" but a classic typo to confuse things further. Edited my original post.

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/25/2013 10:37:49 AM   
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Hi guys,

The Essen release is a special early access release. Since Harry Rowland would be at the show, we wanted to make sure to have some copies there so fans could get his signature and so that he could get a look at the physical product as well.

This release is very much about the physical product, in that we wanted to give WIF tabletop gamers the benefit of all the work done to bring WIF to the computer as well. Hence the hard-bound Rules as Coded, with all the clarifications and errata from Harry that we built into the game, as well as the first ever global playable same scale map for WIF. Whether you play the computer game or not, these are very cool. You of course also have the hard-bound two volume full color Player's Manual for the computer game and the DVD with the computer version of WIF for solitaire or online multiplayer play, but the whole package is intended to be a very unique and exceptional product that has both computer and tabletop value.

The maps are part of the Essen package, but for the full release in November they will be optional. You'll be able to purchase the three hard-bound volumes with DVD as one product and the maps as another. This is also intended to make it possible for WIF players who only want the map to order that or to order an extra copy of the computer game or an extra copy of the map without getting two of both. The three hardbound volumes + DVD will be at a lower price (about half) than the Essen package which includes the maps.

The maps are also in 24 sections, so while you may not have the space to assemble all 21 feet by 9 feet, you can certainly use the sections that are most useful to you within a more reasonable space.

Regards,

- Erik



Good answer Erik. I will be in Essen tomorrow (Saturday) with Centuur, as a follower of the forum for many years and as a betatester the last couple of months I am excited to bring the physical result of all the work done home this weekend. That is, If there is still a copy of the 50 left after 2 days of Essen Spiel. Hopefully some copies can be reserved for the 2 beta testers confirmed to visit.

Regards, Lex


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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/25/2013 10:58:17 AM   
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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/25/2013 12:16:56 PM   
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I'm trying to get in contact to make sure they are reserved for you - when do you expect to be there so they know when to hold them till?


We should be there around lunch time. If we are not there before 15:00 we probably had bad luck during travelling by car. In that case we will post something here.

Thanks,

Lex

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/25/2013 4:06:45 PM   
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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/25/2013 4:20:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd love to go but I'm exactly 108 hexes away. Way past my movement range.

I know this because MWiF has a built in distance calculator.

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/25/2013 5:01:31 PM   
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I'm trying to get in contact to make sure they are reserved for you - when do you expect to be there so they know when to hold them till?


We should be there around lunch time. If we are not there before 15:00 we probably had bad luck during travelling by car. In that case we will post something here.

Thanks,

Lex

Perhaps the highly efficient German railway system would be better? It was ideal for moving units around quickly

Cheers, Neilster

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/25/2013 5:34:45 PM   
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I'm trying to get in contact to make sure they are reserved for you - when do you expect to be there so they know when to hold them till?


We should be there around lunch time. If we are not there before 15:00 we probably had bad luck during travelling by car. In that case we will post something here.

Thanks,

Lex

Perhaps the highly efficient German railway system would be better? It was ideal for moving units around quickly

Cheers, Neilster


Unfortunately, the cooperation between the Dutch and German railway system isn't what I call very good. I would like to see more and especially cheaper railway connections between Amsterdam and the Ruhr area.
I go by car quite often to Germany. In most instances, I'm definetely faster by car than by train (and it's a lot cheaper too...).
Now, within Germany and the Netherlands itself, trains are quite competitive (especially when you have to go into a city center with the problems of finding parkingspace (which can be quite expensive in some cities here. Prices in Amsterdam are now € 5,-- per hour of parking...).
But long distance isn't very good from the Netherlands to Germany. Also because of the fact that the train takes someone from a place where he isn't starting to a place where he doesn't wand to end his travels.

No, I'll take my Volkswagen and drive tomorrow...



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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/25/2013 6:45:01 PM   
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I'd love to go but I'm exactly 108 hexes away. Way past my movement range.

I know this because MWiF has a built in distance calculator.

mo reb


but you will get it faster when it is released

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/25/2013 7:03:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can you please just let us know the release price .

I have been playing wif since the early 90s and when I first went on the next in the mid 90s the first thing I searched for was computer wif. I have played via vasal and face to face for years but my group is scattered to the corners of the globe and this will we can play again at last.

I will be buying a copy and just need to know how much I need to budget for. I have watched the project develop and want to play so
please can you let us know the release price (without maps that I won't need) including tax and postage to the Uk.

Cheers

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/25/2013 8:21:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Petracelli,

I'll give you my estimate:

- Game (without map): £64 (based on half of €150 as per above)
- Shipping: £10 (I'm guessing here, as it could be a lot more, as Command Air/Naval has shipping of £5.10, but this weights a lot more because of the manuals)
- VAT: £14.80 (20%)
- Handling fee: £8 (the extortionate fee that the "customs agent" charges for paying the VAT on your behalf at the port of entry)
- Customs duty: £0 (some goods seem to attract an extra duty at customs, but I'm not sure if this will, but it may also depend on the value of the goods. If you want to be conservative, add 6%)

So about £100 all up is my estimate. Unless of course Slitherine is shipping from the UK or EU, then you can remove the handling fee and customs duty, and the postage will be less.

The look on your wife's face when she sees the credit card bill: priceless.

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/26/2013 12:08:58 PM   
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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/26/2013 1:40:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm 200 bucks, I actually guessed the price fairly close.

200 bucks is as I have already stated elsewhere though, small potatoes.

ASL player wouldn't even think it asking too much.

I will be waiting for the moment it is officially on sale, can't order something until it is actually on sale.

I want the books, of course I want the books. Look like well made articles. I wish they had done the same for ASL. I had to go the route of buying full page insets just so the manual doesn't die. 3 ring binders are only useful in high school where the pages won't see a lot of action.

The maps? Likely a horrible waste of paper for me, but I still want them :)
For those interested, you can buy rolls of magnet that can be cut into pieces to stick on back of the counters. I have one here as a matter of fact. Always wanted to do that with my AH The Longest Day game (it has a 5 x 5.5 foot map best put on a wall than a table).

I don't know how fast the Essen copies will sell, and I am not sure what your world wide sales potential is either. I am not even sure what the world wide total of actual players is. That's of course a challenge for the creators to think about though. But I know this much MMP seems to do just fine selling to it's fan base.

You can add +1 to whatever sales numbers you are watching though. I'm a sold copy. I'm having trouble finding models to buy at any rate lately. And I have one perk no of you will ever know too :) I'm the wife :)

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/26/2013 2:24:45 PM   
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Unless of course Slitherine is shipping from the UK or EU, then you can remove the handling fee and customs duty, and the postage will be less.


That's really an important point for EU customers. Consider also that payment of import fees is really a pain (at least for me in Italy it was): the box stays blocked at the port / airport, after 1 week I receive a chargement bill, I have to go to the post to pay it, and wait 7-10 days till I finally get the game (ca. 1 month after my order). Clarification by Matrix / Slitherine about a EU distribution would be appreciated.



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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/26/2013 5:55:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Centuur and I just returned from Essen. We are now the proud owners of a copy each, en brought one for a friend of Centuur.

We thank the CEO and Marketing Director of Slitherine for their warm Scottish/Italian reception and their storage space whilst we where doing the tour of Spiel'13.

See picture for what to expect if you order three copies....








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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/27/2013 7:33:42 PM   
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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/27/2013 8:07:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		It does look like care needs to be taken on those map fold corners with that packaging. Thanks for the pic.

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/27/2013 8:19:44 PM   
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It does look like care needs to be taken on those map fold corners with that packaging. Thanks for the pic.

These were all a rush delivery for the Essen event.

As I understand it, for standard orders (i.e., after November 7th) the map segments will be stacked with the players manuals and the whole package will have extra protection (e.g., especially for the map corners).

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/28/2013 2:47:16 AM   
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It does look like care needs to be taken on those map fold corners with that packaging. Thanks for the pic.

These were all a rush delivery for the Essen event.

As I understand it, for standard orders (i.e., after November 7th) the map segments will be stacked with the players manuals and the whole package will have extra protection (e.g., especially for the map corners).


Ha! Caught ya. You said November 7th!

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/28/2013 8:53:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

It does look like care needs to be taken on those map fold corners with that packaging. Thanks for the pic.

These were all a rush delivery for the Essen event.

As I understand it, for standard orders (i.e., after November 7th) the map segments will be stacked with the players manuals and the whole package will have extra protection (e.g., especially for the map corners).


Ha! Caught ya. You said November 7th!


The November 7th release date has been public knowledge for some months now.
What's the big deal?


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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/28/2013 2:45:10 PM   
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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 10/31/2013 11:40:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lets see... Command Modern Air,Navel Operations, with (1)softbound small manual... $95.00. Lets wonder what a game with 3 Full Size Hardbound Books will cost?
No matter what, I think I will jump in along with the maps.(and take a beating as I have never played and know nothing about the game, but can't help myself but buy it.)

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RE: On sale at Essen tomorrow - How Much ? - 11/4/2013 12:22:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

It does look like care needs to be taken on those map fold corners with that packaging. Thanks for the pic.

These were all a rush delivery for the Essen event.

As I understand it, for standard orders (i.e., after November 7th) the map segments will be stacked with the players manuals and the whole package will have extra protection (e.g., especially for the map corners).


Ha! Caught ya. You said November 7th!


The November 7th release date has been public knowledge for some months now.
What's the big deal?



It was announced for Nov 7th, then it came back to "Coming Soon" which made very nervous some of us (after past history...), but nowadays nov 7th has been confirmed again, that's why.

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