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AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 6:16:04 AM

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I decided to take a breather from my Waterloo game making project for a short time...Have worked myself to a standstill and am now beginning the rulebook writing phase...Decided to take a closer look at the Avalon Hill D-Day game I purchased several weeks ago..One of my older brothers had a copy of it back in the early 1970's and I well remember playing it.The game I just purchased is a first edition copy printed in 1961....The box is a little worn but the board and pieces are in amazingly good shape.By using the D-Day Vassal module I was able to check and see if all the counters are together.I found three missing counters and have been able to replace them with the spare counters that come with the game.Not too bad overall for a fifty two year old game...I just love these original wargames....As a collector they really appeal to me because they represent the first use of the counter and hex wargame idea....As a hobby wargame designer they are great for me to study...Their beauty is in their simplicity....Could not resist making a post...tried to get a few decent pictures just for the sake of it...slightest movement of the cell phone camera seems to blur the shot.

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 6:48:18 AM

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Thanks for the pics and story.

We had a neighborhood friend when I was a young boy named Lam Van Hi (sp). This is going from a young boys memory of about 8, in '77 or so, but as I recall his stepfather was a soldier in Vietnam and married Lams mom. Lam by this time spoke very good English. We became best friends instantly.

Lams stepfather was very strict. I mean very strict and corporal punishments were given out for the slightest screw up. One of his dad's rule was no one in the house when they weren't home. Living in a time where children stayed home at an early age, we spent the summers hanging out, often in his house when we weren't supposed to.

I remember this like it was yesterday. His s.father played some sort of huge war game that was always set up on table in the living room. One day while we were in his house my older brother was using his phone. Kurt had the phone and was walking to the next room with it, extending the cord at least 15 feet. Well Kurt being the clutz he was brushed the phone cord across this massive game and I remember seeing pieces fly. Lam instantly started crying and being the good friends that we were we left immediately. We didn't see lam for over a month except driving away to places with his folks. Poor kid.

I hadnt thought of that story in years. Sorry to hijack your thread and quite possibly bore you, but Maybe you could answer this for me;

It had to be around '76 or '77. In my head the game was a Vietnam wargame. Were there any Vietnam based games at that time that you know of? If so, do you recall what they were?

Thanks. Again, sorry for the hijack but that old game had me reminiscing.

Mo reb

I just remembered one of the reasons we went over there a lot. His stepfather had a stack of Oui magazines. We called them O-U-I never knowing it was French. Very good articles.

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 7:01:09 AM

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No problem...I do not mind being hijacked at all...I do not really recall any Vietnam games at that time...That war was still fairly fresh in everyones minds at that time....perhaps someone else might ....Counters flying everywhere does make me think of a hazard I do have right now though....I have a very energetic kitten that likes to bat dice around and chew on counters when he jumps up on the table....

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 7:17:43 AM

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Yeah. Maybe I just thought it was Vietnam since his dad was a vet. And yes the war was very fresh. Lam was given a hard go many times by some of the kids. My uncle, who is one of the nicest most peace loving guys in the world was in some very bad places when he was a marine in Vietnam. He joined because he didn't want to be drafted into the army, his father being a WWII combat marine vet from the 1st division. I learned later in life through my mother that he hated being around when Lam would come over. I never remembered seeing it but evidently it was something that really bothered him. Odd when you think about the man he is, but I can kind of understand.

Another little bit. That same uncle left vietnam the very same day I was born August 18th 1969 and we were always close because of that I think. He used to say we were both born on that day.

As far as cats? Good luck with that. Scattered counters are bad. Chewed counters make an outside barn cat.

Did it come with the rule book?

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 7:26:46 AM

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Strange choice of colours for the Axis and Allies!!

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 7:27:24 AM

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Have made some progress with training the kitten over the past week or so...I have learned to keep all chairs away from the table when I am not around to watch..This helps significantly..Also,I have a little fly swatter that the cat really does not like at all.All I need to do is pick up the swatter and he runs for cover...Unfortunately I am living in an apartment complex right now and have no barn or outbuilding where I could have the cat temporarily reside....

I do have a fairly large yard for an apartment complex and some woods and bushes....He is an indoor outdoor cat....

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 7:32:36 AM

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Trained cats? They're much too spiteful for that kind of conformity.

I see trouble on the horizon. I'm having flashbacks. Run Lam! Run!

Edit. I can't stand using this tablet to type. Errors everywhere. I look like I'm illegitimate.

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 7:44:20 AM

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Yes I know what you mean....cats are pretty hard to thoroughly train....Here he is...His name is Rascal......He certainly lives up to his name....

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 7:51:19 AM

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I'm no expert here, but that cat looks like trouble.

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 7:56:08 AM

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Oh he is trouble alright....extremely playful....likes to attack my feet with full force..will ambush you when you least expect it...

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 8:04:35 AM

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Lol. Thanks again for the pics and keep us updated.

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 8:25:45 AM

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Well sweeteye you have just caused me to get out my copy of D-Day. I sit here in the middle of the night caressing the counters and gently touching...NEVERMIND.

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 8:26:29 AM

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Almost forgot to add.....Game did come with a rulebook and charts...Has a very different early edition combat chart.You lay the defenders card over the attackers card and it gives you the odds and correct combat chart to use..As for the colors...typical of early Avalon Hill games...Blue and pink...must not of had a good selection of ink for printing ...

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 8:47:01 AM

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The game about Vietnam I remember around that era was from SPI called "Year of the Rat" about the 1972 offensive.

I also played many games of this D-Day game from AH. Thanks for the memories

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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Thanks for the pics and story.

We had a neighborhood friend when I was a young boy named Lam Van Hi (sp). This is going from a young boys memory of about 8, in '77 or so, but as I recall his stepfather was a soldier in Vietnam and married Lams mom. Lam by this time spoke very good English. We became best friends instantly.

Lams stepfather was very strict. I mean very strict and corporal punishments were given out for the slightest screw up. One of his dad's rule was no one in the house when they weren't home. Living in a time where children stayed home at an early age, we spent the summers hanging out, often in his house when we weren't supposed to.

I remember this like it was yesterday. His s.father played some sort of huge war game that was always set up on table in the living room. One day while we were in his house my older brother was using his phone. Kurt had the phone and was walking to the next room with it, extending the cord at least 15 feet. Well Kurt being the clutz he was brushed the phone cord across this massive game and I remember seeing pieces fly. Lam instantly started crying and being the good friends that we were we left immediately. We didn't see lam for over a month except driving away to places with his folks. Poor kid.

I hadnt thought of that story in years. Sorry to hijack your thread and quite possibly bore you, but Maybe you could answer this for me;

It had to be around '76 or '77. In my head the game was a Vietnam wargame. Were there any Vietnam based games at that time that you know of? If so, do you recall what they were?

Thanks. Again, sorry for the hijack but that old game had me reminiscing.

Mo reb

I just remembered one of the reasons we went over there a lot. His stepfather had a stack of Oui magazines. We called them O-U-I never knowing it was French. Very good articles.

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 5:38:51 PM

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In the early 1960s, AH D-Day was one of my first war games. (AH Gettysburg was the very first.) I played the thing to death. Ah, the memories.

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 6:14:55 PM

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That's close to the typical starting set up I used to use :)

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/26/2013 7:19:23 PM

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Yes... I guess you could call my initial German setup kind of typical or perhaps standard.Really have to heavily guard the northeastern coast...Lack of enough German units to guard the whole coastline around the board does not leave you too many options for setup.The Allies get an easy invasion if they choose to invade from the west or south.I chose to invade this time from the southwest in the Bay of Biscay.An area I do not ever remember trying....Once again I have to play against myself..do not have a gaming buddy close by anymore....I still find the game interesting though....

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/27/2013 6:45:02 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dougo33

The game about Vietnam I remember around that era was from SPI called "Year of the Rat" about the 1972 offensive.

I also played many games of this D-Day game from AH. Thanks for the memories

quote:

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Thanks for the pics and story.

We had a neighborhood friend when I was a young boy named Lam Van Hi (sp). This is going from a young boys memory of about 8, in '77 or so, but as I recall his stepfather was a soldier in Vietnam and married Lams mom. Lam by this time spoke very good English. We became best friends instantly.

Lams stepfather was very strict. I mean very strict and corporal punishments were given out for the slightest screw up. One of his dad's rule was no one in the house when they weren't home. Living in a time where children stayed home at an early age, we spent the summers hanging out, often in his house when we weren't supposed to.

I remember this like it was yesterday. His s.father played some sort of huge war game that was always set up on table in the living room. One day while we were in his house my older brother was using his phone. Kurt had the phone and was walking to the next room with it, extending the cord at least 15 feet. Well Kurt being the clutz he was brushed the phone cord across this massive game and I remember seeing pieces fly. Lam instantly started crying and being the good friends that we were we left immediately. We didn't see lam for over a month except driving away to places with his folks. Poor kid.

I hadnt thought of that story in years. Sorry to hijack your thread and quite possibly bore you, but Maybe you could answer this for me;

It had to be around '76 or '77. In my head the game was a Vietnam wargame. Were there any Vietnam based games at that time that you know of? If so, do you recall what they were?

Thanks. Again, sorry for the hijack but that old game had me reminiscing.

Mo reb

I just remembered one of the reasons we went over there a lot. His stepfather had a stack of Oui magazines. We called them O-U-I never knowing it was French. Very good articles.

Not sure if I ever knew exactly what the map looked like now that I think of it. That could have been it though. Thanks.

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/27/2013 8:18:51 AM

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quote:

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Almost forgot to add.....Game did come with a rulebook and charts...Has a very different early edition combat chart.You lay the defenders card over the attackers card and it gives you the odds and correct combat chart to use..As for the colors...typical of early Avalon Hill games...Blue and pink...must not of had a good selection of ink for printing ...

They caused such a shock when ANZIO TM came out with a multi cloured map and counter set.
Sadly, AH forgot accuracy in making their games interesting.

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/27/2013 2:40:01 PM

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I have always liked the earliest AH games the best...I have never been one for lots of details in the rules for a game.I like to be able to finish a game out fairly quickly without a lot of fuss....Now the computer can be used to calculate all the fine details of weapons and casualties..some computer games even include blood,guts,and dead bodies all over your screen..In comparison there is only so much you can do with cardboard counters,dice,and a combat chart...If you do try to put in a lot of details to a tabletop board game gameplay slows down to a snails pace.. I like a very basic playing game..

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/27/2013 4:50:44 PM

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Simplicity and basic game play? Here are two SPI classics:

The American Civil War

Frederick the Great

Two of the finest games I ever played.

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/27/2013 5:04:39 PM

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Thanks....the prices are so reasonable I will certainly try them out....It is nice to check out some other game companies products. Ebay is where I picked up my copies of Waterloo and D Day.

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/27/2013 8:57:15 PM

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If you or somebody made PC computerized versions of those games, I'd buy them in a heartbeat. (I'm done with boardgames, so I have no desire to purchase physical paper & cardboard versions.)

They are simple enough that it might be possible to make a decent A/I for them, too.

(Another interesting fact [to me, anyway

]: My name is in the credits for SPI's American Civil War, but as a mere playtester, proofreader or somesuch.)

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/27/2013 9:12:46 PM

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If you or somebody made PC computerized versions of those games, I'd buy them in a heartbeat. (I'm done with boardgames, so I have no desire to purchase physical paper & cardboard versions.)

They are simple enough that it might be possible to make a decent A/I for them, too.

(Another interesting fact [to me, anyway ]: My name is in the credits for SPI's American Civil War, but as a mere playtester, proofreader or somesuch.)

I agree, computerized versions of the old AH classics would be really cool and a great way to get younger players into the hobby. Who owns the rights to them though?

The original marketing for Avalon Hill was for the "12 years and up" market... my big brother bought the first game into the household about the time I was 12. Imagine a 12 year old trying to get into any of our contemporary computer wargames that seem to be targeted towards the adult grognard gamer. It's no wonder we aren't getting new blood into the hobby. They are all going for the arcade "eye candy" instead.

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/28/2013 12:04:40 AM

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I believe the Hasbro company bought out Avalon Hill quite some time ago...I do kind of find it hard to believe that computerized versions of some of the classic games have not been made.... Interesting thought...

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/28/2013 12:30:37 AM

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There are some computerized Avalon Hill games at the NobleNight games website..There is some type of D Day game apparently.....Lots of titles I am not familiar with...

http://www.nobleknight.com/ViewProducts.asp_Q_ProductLineID_E_2137418360_A_ManufacturerID_E_28_A_CategoryID_E_21_A_GenreID_E_0_A_Page_E_1_A_hidepictures_E__A_ItemsPage_E_20

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/28/2013 3:32:19 AM

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I do not even have a 3.5" disk drive on my PC any more lol. So a lot of these will not do me any good

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/28/2013 12:03:41 PM

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Play it solitaire or with someone from half-way around the world if you like. Play it live or play it via email. VASSAL was mentioned by the OP:

D-Day module on vassalengine.org

Oh, and if you think that board wargaming died out in the 90's, you're missing a lot of great gaming!

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RE: AH D-Day - 10/28/2013 3:30:31 PM

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I was going to suggest the vassal module also but since there is no AI thought they might not be interested in it.I may have to resort to using the Vassal module myself again for two reasons...I do not have a human opponent to get a game going with at my apartment so vassal multiplayer is looking like a good alternative...Also,I woke up to find that my kitten decided to jump up on the table and lay down right in the middle of the board..Going to try and get the counters back into their positions but it will be difficult to put them back where they were originally were....Darn Cat