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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 2:06:44 AM

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One of the 3 Northern B-52's cuts in early and goes for the Luo Helo complex. This is one of a number of examples of B-52's getting their bombs off right before being shot down. In this case the B-52 is about to be taken out by an extremely lucky AAA battery which is part of the SA-2 Site. There was only a 1% chance of hitting - and that is what was rolled. But it was too late for the site - I dropped the bombs early on the SAM site knowing the blast would take out everything. If I had waited and dropped the bombs on the Helo base further ahead this would have been a failure. With mT Nucs you just need to be in the area (unless hardened).

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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 2:07:25 AM

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Here we see 2 of the 3 B-52s on the center run closing on their targets - suprisingly only 1 of the 3 got shot down, considering all the Migs that were initially pursuing them. It may be due in part to the Quail decoys.

In the North the remaining 2 B-52's go for the over water route hoping to reach the Murmansk Target area in the far eastern center of the image.

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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 2:08:18 AM

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First of the 2 center B-52's releases on its target - the second of the 3 PVO bases to be taken out. Unfortunately it is about to run into a pair of SA-3's showing up a bit late�

The 2nd center B-52 also successfully releases on its target - it only had an SA-2c site defending it and the B-52 was too low to be engaged.

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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 2:08:54 AM

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This image shows the Soviets starting to get a whiff of the 6 end run B-52s - but not able to get a good picture. The Migs to the far east are returning to their bases in the south.

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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 2:09:39 AM

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In the North things are not going well - one B-52 has already been shot down. The last B-52 was trying to fly down the river to hit the Murmansk area to the south but picked up too many friends on the way. 4 Migs and a AAA battery are about to bring him up short of Murmansk.

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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 2:10:21 AM

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Here we see the 3rd and final PVO base on the Peninsula about to be destroyed. For whatever reason the 2 Migs could not get a firing solution on the B-52 before it released (bombs are red streak behind the B-52). Could have been starting too high or first pass failing and overshooting - but in the image it looks like they are escorting their target. All of them are destroyed in the blast�

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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 2:11:07 AM

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Here we see the next 2 end run B-52's attacking/approaching their targets. The first blast bags 2 bases in close proximity. The other B-52 is starting its run on the next 2 bases.

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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 2:11:42 AM

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This is another example of the Soviets coming up a few seconds late. The B-52 is about to be hit from the rear by a Mig and in the front by a pair of SA-3's. But it's bombs have been released seconds before this (red streak following the B52 and pursuing Mig).

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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 2:12:20 AM

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This image shows the detonation and second 2 base destruction, as well as the last 2 end run B-52's going for the long bomb - and none of the returning Migs even know they are there because they are on the deck.

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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 2:12:51 AM

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One of the B-52's takes out the target and the last B-52 is going to take another shot at the Murmansk base complex - coming from the east/opposite direction expected.

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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 2:13:21 AM

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I title this last image "Do you want to live forever?" The B-52 successfully releases its bombs over the eastern most base in the Murmansk base complex (red dots over Severomorsk-1). It then goes on to survive 3 salvos from the SA-3 battery and the attacking Mig before all are destroyed in the blast.

The Murmansk area's luck just ran out also - previously had 1 Hound Dog malfunction, and a B-52 shot down to the North - this attack finally succeeded.

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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 2:13:46 AM

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This run was a bit different then the first:
1. Due to launching all 24 Hound Dogs more hit their targets - even after 2 malfunctioned. This took out 1 of the PVO airbases and Migs and created holes in the Soviet radar coverage which the southern B-52's exploited. When I run this again from the beginning I will delay the 24 Hound Dog launch until the B-52's are even closer to the Soviet border. This will give the Soviets even less time to react.
2. The more Hound Dogs to intercept kept the majority of Soviet fighters busy and distant from the B-52's thus reducing their time and ability to detect the B-52s. The ADM-20 Quail decoys were just effective enough to draw them off a little more.
3. Not sure how realistic taking advantage of the Soviet radar hole was. SAC bombers had pre-assigned routes and targets and would not have too much flexibility to react to emerging battlefield opportunities - especially with 1962 era technology. But even 2 of the 3 center B-52's got thru in a very hostile environment so the southern 6 may have been successful even if they did not take advantage of the radar hole.

Watching the Military channel documentaries on YouTube I watched some episodes about cold war fighters/bombers never built. I know the Avro Arrow, TSR-2 and B-70 are in the DB - any chance of getting the F-103 and F-108?

I flew a UK TSR-2 over the defenses (I know, not the same time period by 5-10yrs), and while detected with its speed and 300kt Nucs (instead of mT) I was able to take out 4 different bases before being surrounded and chased down by 5 Migs on my way home.

Would be fun to have a B-70 Valkyrie strike escorted by F-108 Rapiers and intercepted by Mig-25 Foxbats with SA-2's lighting the way - the ultimate SAC bomber whatif�

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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 4:18:21 AM

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quote:

any chance of getting the F-103 and F-108?

I flew a UK TSR-2 over the defenses (I know, not the same time period by 5-10yrs), and while detected with its speed and 300kt Nucs (instead of mT) I was able to take out 4 different bases before being surrounded and chased down by 5 Migs on my way home.

Would be fun to have a B-70 Valkyrie strike escorted by F-108 Rapiers and intercepted by Mig-25 Foxbats with SA-2's lighting the way - the ultimate SAC bomber whatif�

The XF-108 and YF-12 (similar ultra-fast canceled interceptor) are in the latest build. So you can go ahead and have your showdown.

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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 5:12:29 AM

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Thanks - was using v398 CWDB - just looked in the v399 and there it (F108) is w/AIM47A Falcons. The CWDB incorrectly tags it as Navy instead of US Air Force though.

Just did a quick B-70/F-108 vs. a pair of Mig-25P's. F-108 closed and ided then got into a turning dogfight w/1 Mig while the other Mig kept going for the B-70. Mig stayed on the tail of the F-108 but was too close for its AAMs - no canon. Same problem w/the F-108's Falcons. But during their turning fight as the 2nd Mig got past min range the F-108 shot a pair of Falcons (while turning w/the other Mig) and shot it down. Unfortunately the Mig pulled the same trick on the B-70 as it passed by and exceeded minimum range.

Going to build this scenario out and try a hi altitude penetration next...
Also will look at the YF-12 with same AAMs.

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RE: Kola Peninsula 1962 - Test run AAR - 11/17/2013 3:40:41 PM

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I flew a UK TSR-2 over the defenses (I know, not the same time period by 5-10yrs), and while detected with its speed and 300kt Nucs (instead of mT) I was able to take out 4 different bases before being surrounded and chased down by 5 Migs on my way home.

Without getting into the prototypes, you could give the Mirage IV a try too (entered service in 1964). Wonder how this would go (but like the TSR2, would never have the legs to operate so far from its original bases without a couple mid-air refuelings..).

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