Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Ubercat

OK, every single attempt at the Global War scenario freezes up during the American setup phase. This happens whether or not I lend-lease any air units first and seems to have no relation to any special rules. In my last attempt I left all special rules unselected and the game froze the instant I pushed the end phase button (after all units were set). Some games freeze up in the middle of setup and some when I hit the end phase button. I never saw this happen prior to the two patches and the hot fix.

Am I really the only one experiencing this?

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ORIGINAL: Ubercat

I tried Hitman Pro. It found no problems but was kind enough to install two crap programs that I didn't want or need and also hijacked my homepage.

I uninstalled MWIF, deleted what was left, and then reinstalled version 1.0. I then tried a Global War game and it froze up very shortly into the process of setting up America. So the game worked fine when I first installed it after November 7th, continued working fine for 2.5 weeks, and then went South. I guess that I can't blame the problem on any patches now, and optional rules are also not suspects as I've been leaving them all off the last few attempts.

Does MWIF store anything anywhere other than it's own folder? I didn't see anything in my User folder in Windows.

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ORIGINAL: Ubercat

I tried Hitman Pro. It found no problems but was kind enough to install two crap programs that I didn't want or need and also hijacked my homepage.

I uninstalled MWIF, deleted what was left, and then reinstalled version 1.0. I then tried a Global War game and it froze up very shortly into the process of setting up America. So the game worked fine when I first installed it after November 7th, continued working fine for 2.5 weeks, and then went South. I guess that I can't blame the problem on any patches now, and optional rules are also not suspects as I've been leaving them all off the last few attempts.

Does MWIF store anything anywhere other than it's own folder? I didn't see anything in my User folder in Windows.

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ORIGINAL: Ubercat

No dice. I'm patched up to the latest version and it just freezes right up, mostly at the point where I'm deciding which airplanes to deploy out of the choices I have. I also tried loading a setup file and it froze before anything loaded.

I noticed that setup files for the other factions in Global War all had "global" in the file name but the US file didn't. I doubt that that's relevant but it was curious to me.

G*****n this is frustrating.

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ORIGINAL: Ubercat

Here's the screenshot. It's hard to believe that leftover crap in main memory could be causing the crashes. There have been plenty of times that trying to setup a game has been the first thing I've done after turning on the PC (after checking Email and posts at forums).

Mysteriously, I've now managed to setup the US a couple of times. The key seems to be to rush through it as fast as possible with no regard to putting things in the best spots. Not the best way to play the game!

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ORIGINAL: Ubercat

I have 6 Gig of RAM. I don't often leave other things open when I play a game; maybe a browser window if I'm consulting something in the middle of a game and want the info to stay handy.

UPDATE*UPDATE*UPDATE

Well, I seem to have narrowed the problem WAY down and I'm not too thrilled about it. The first two weeks or so that I was playing, I was still studying the rules and never got around to getting the second monitor out of the basement and hooking it up. The problems probably started shortly after I did. I've deactivated the second monitor in Windows and just now managed to get to the Italian setup with no trouble. I had all the juicy optional rules enabled and had no problems with the US or USSR.

Now I'll check the forum for multiple monitor related problems and hope that there's a fix. Having the map on the main screen and forms on the second is one of the great things about the (PC) game. Thanks all for trying to help. Off to do some reading.

Edit: I don't see any multiple monitor bug threads.

The second monitor is smaller, with a lesser resolution, if that matters. I also seem to recall the main form disappearing, or maybe never even having been visible a couple of times when the second monitor was still in use and the game was freezing.

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

I REALLY hope at some point the main form and the primary detailed map are intergrated somehow. I know it is stupid, but I hate not having the map take up the full screen

Or if they cannot be intergrated, allow the main form to be on a second monitor so the map can be fully displayed on another.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

The only issue I've seen with multiple monitors is having them set-up and then disconnecting one of them without first going into Display Properties and telling Windows that monitor is gone. Likely that is also associated to the type of graphics card a person has.

But if you start using them here are two things you should do to avoid potential problems that can give you a sense the game has crashed (when it hasn't) because the form you need to interact with is off-screen.

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1. Your left hand monitor should have the 0,0 coordinate (i.e. it should be the "primary") - avoid negative number coordinates.

2. Keep the Main Form above the Detailed Map. People often try to totally max out the Detailed Map to a full monitor screen but in this case you are better to give up some space at the top, even if you have to resize the Detailed Map slightly so there's no overlap between it and the Main Form. I recommend no overlap because which one stays on top is usually the one you don't want to stay on top.

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ORIGINAL: Ubercat

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

The only issue I've seen with multiple monitors is having them set-up and then disconnecting one of them without first going into Display Properties and telling Windows that monitor is gone. Likely that is also associated to the type of graphics card a person has.

But if you start using them here are two things you should do to avoid potential problems that can give you a sense the game has crashed (when it hasn't) because the form you need to interact with is off-screen.

The game was definitely frozen. Moving the mouse over a unit and clicking had absolutely no result. L/C or R/C made no difference. Forms couldn't be closed or moved. Nothing.

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ORIGINAL: Ubercat

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1. Your left hand monitor should have the 0,0 coordinate (i.e. it should be the "primary") - avoid negative number coordinates.

2. Keep the Main Form above the Detailed Map. People often try to totally max out the Detailed Map to a full monitor screen but in this case you are better to give up some space at the top, even if you have to resize the Detailed Map slightly so there's no overlap between it and the Main Form. I recommend no overlap because which one stays on top is usually the one you don't want to stay on top.

Is this the 2 monitor problem that Steve mentioned after your post, and the fix is to make sure that the secondary monitor is on the right, not the left of the main?

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

I don't think this will be a permanent issue. Steve has this working far, far better then when I first beta tested multiple monitors a few years back.

I only mention the stuff that I'm aware may cause you grief. It seems almost all other forms needed when playing appear relative to the Main Form - which is why its placement is so important.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck
...seems almost all other forms needed when playing appear relative to the Main Form - which is why its placement is so important.