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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/7/2013 3:24:48 PM   
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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/7/2013 4:46:49 PM   
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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/7/2013 5:45:06 PM   
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This isn't really a fair game, more of a "What If the Allies Decided To Let Themselves Get Steamrolled, and We Choose the Dice Results to Help that Happen?" scenario.



How do you know this? Maybe this is a guy who doesn't know how to organise a good defense. You just accused someone for cheating... Apologise at once!

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/7/2013 5:50:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Centuur


quote:

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

This isn't really a fair game, more of a "What If the Allies Decided To Let Themselves Get Steamrolled, and We Choose the Dice Results to Help that Happen?" scenario.



How do you know this? Maybe this is a guy who doesn't know how to organise a good defense. You just accused someone for cheating... Apologise at once!


Did you really just wave your finger at Crussdaddy? Greatest troll of them all?

Really cracked me up

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/7/2013 5:53:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Centuur


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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

This isn't really a fair game, more of a "What If the Allies Decided To Let Themselves Get Steamrolled, and We Choose the Dice Results to Help that Happen?" scenario.



How do you know this? Maybe this is a guy who doesn't know how to organise a good defense. You just accused someone for cheating... Apologise at once!


Did you really just wave your finger at Crussdaddy? Greatest troll of them all?

Really cracked me up


Of course I did. With all due respect, if someone accuses me of cheating...

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/7/2013 7:07:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Centuur


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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

This isn't really a fair game, more of a "What If the Allies Decided To Let Themselves Get Steamrolled, and We Choose the Dice Results to Help that Happen?" scenario.



How do you know this? Maybe this is a guy who doesn't know how to organise a good defense. You just accused someone for cheating... Apologise at once!


I refuse. Checkmate, Dutchman.

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/7/2013 11:11:21 PM   
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This isn't really a fair game, more of a "What If the Allies Decided To Let Themselves Get Steamrolled, and We Choose the Dice Results to Help that Happen?" scenario.


Life isn't fair.
The computer is doing the dice rolling.

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/7/2013 11:24:17 PM   
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when will we see more?

All controversy aside...

It´s quite a narrative.

Best regards

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/7/2013 11:25:10 PM   
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This isn't really a fair game, more of a "What If the Allies Decided To Let Themselves Get Steamrolled, and We Choose the Dice Results to Help that Happen?" scenario.


Life isn't fair.
The computer is doing the dice rolling.


But you are purposefully playing the Allies poorly. Do you have a narrative in mind? Like, you push the Allies to the brink then bring in the US to see if it can turn the tide? Or are you setting up for an Invasion USA?

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/7/2013 11:26:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kathi51!

That being said,

when will we see more?

All controversy aside...

It´s quite a narrative.

Best regards


I don't think there's any controversy, but it is obvious to anyone who has played WiF that this game is being managed rather than played. I don't see why that isn't stated from the beginning.

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/7/2013 11:54:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi CrusssDaddy,

it sure does look like an axis dream come true...

But then every once in a while fairy tales come true.

I´ve seen this happen in tournament play - grown men weeping, dice burning ( the other dice in a circle around the burning one - " now listen up you XXX - this will happen to you, if you don´t man up ) etc..

I saw somebody complain about some poorly executed aar the other day, which might put newcomers off the game due to poor axis results ( resulting to play ) in Poland. This could set the record straight.

And then - DY 2004 did call it "Ouch" in the first place.

Best regards

< Message edited by Kathi51! -- 12/8/2013 12:57:25 AM >

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/8/2013 12:27:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		To answer some of the questions, firstly please remember this is a 'solo' game and as such I don't think it's very easy to play both sides equally. Secondly I never claimed to be a great player, so you can expect mistakes.
In terms of 'managing' the game, the only thing that happened was that the Russians were played as if they 'didn't know' that the Germans would attack in 1940. Having said that I didn't think the Germans would be in a position to attack in April 1940.

The difficulty was that US entry had a disastrous start, and for the first three turns if the Soviets tried to claim Bessarabia they would have been risking the ability of the US to declare war on Germany/Italy at all!
That was why the Soviet army was out of position, because they weren't even trying to garrison Poland, they wanted to get Bessarabia (which they did, just prior to the German attack, in March 1940).
In terms of the French, they had bad luck (a clear weather turn in December 1939 really helped the Germans), but the British have not done too badly. Well, except that because the Italians moved two corps to Egypt in 1939, the British didn't have any forces available to stop them taking Egypt so quickly, given they were busy with the BEF in France. There were no other corps to spare to send to Egypt.

Anyway, to prove that the Axis aren't being given a free ride, here's what happened when the Italian Marines tried to storm the Greek harbour at Piraeus, near Athens...




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/8/2013 12:29:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		And in fact, in Baku von Bock orders a very risky assault, hoping that the German luck will continue.
It doesn't. Ouch, that hurt




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/8/2013 12:31:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		The July-August 1941 turn then ends, to the relief of Stavka.
However, their relief is shortlived when they total up their available resources and production capacity.
It is the lowest since the war began. Yet another 'ouch' moment




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/8/2013 12:33:17 AM   
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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/8/2013 12:34:50 AM   
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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/8/2013 12:38:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		When the various 'end-of-turn' phases were almost complete, this question unexpectedly popped up!
Ouch! ...but I said no. As if the Heroes of the Soviet Union would ever give up!!
And of course you can see the global control map shows the disastrous situation for the Russians.




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/8/2013 1:07:40 AM   
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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/8/2013 2:30:25 AM   
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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/8/2013 2:55:30 AM   
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I think you should go ahead and surrender the USSR and then see if you can achieve a world not unlike The Man in the High Castle.


that's what I was just thinking. keep the USSR alive though, so Kruschev can shine as a Partisan. but if you threw the I-Ching right now, it would suggest the Germans and Japanese should build factories, and start laying down a heavy duty fleet. you'll get ashore in North American eventually....it has lots of fun hexes now. be careful with your Vichy French policy so you can get Martinique on the cheap.

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/8/2013 4:04:33 AM   
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the game is over, the Allies aren't coming back


Bet the allies come back and conquer Germany before the historical date - possibly.

US production is monstrous.

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/8/2013 12:21:39 PM   
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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/9/2013 1:07:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the feedback guys. Appreciated.

It is now September 1941. US entry has still not recovered and they are still a couple of turns away from being able to pass War Appropriations. Of course, the Japanese do not know this and are preparing for a strike in December, although they are going to wait until the bill passes. They also have to wait for the US to actually move their fleet to Pearl Harbor, because they have been too busy passing to do it.
In Singapore, as the monsoon rages, reinforcements arrive to defend the British Empire.




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/9/2013 1:08:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the Mediterranean, the Greek convoy ships that survived the first turn port attacks try to flee to Gibraltar.
They are caught by the waiting Regia Marina fleet.




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/9/2013 1:11:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		On the Russian steppe, the Red Army is still struggling to escape the net of panzers - and whilst the rain doesn't help German supply lines, it doesn't help the Red Army much either. Yeremenko and his army group is in big trouble




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/9/2013 1:13:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		The German marines land on the Greek coast to trap the defending mountain units - by yet another ridiculous stroke of luck the Stukas have again successfully disorganized them. Now they are doomed.




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/9/2013 1:14:21 AM   
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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/9/2013 1:15:15 AM   
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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/9/2013 1:16:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Soviets desperately try to escape the trap. The 4th Mechanized Army moves west to try to help Yeremenko.
The Allies are passing turns like no tomorrow to help the Russians - but the turn just keeps going.




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/9/2013 1:18:06 AM   
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