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Japan Not Sending BP's to USA in GW - 12/3/2013 10:04:03 PM

Omnius

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I started up a game of solitaire global war in 1.041 and discovered that by the second turn's production Japan wasn't sending the USA the Build Point it's supposed to. I have the requisite ununsed convoy points for Japan and the USA in the 5 sea zones for the pipeline. The resources are moving from the USA to Japan just fine. I see that other BP's being traded from other countries seem to be working fine, like the BP from Germany to the USSR. I would have thought that this pre-war trade would have been set up automatically.

I hope this gets fixed soon so we can start a game of Global War and not have to sweat out trying to force a pre-war trade to work that should work automatically.

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RE: Japan Not Sending BP's to USA in GW - 12/3/2013 10:23:44 PM

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This has been covered in another post. It seems the game sends the Fairbanks oil through the west coast sea zone instead of into a Prince Rupert or Vancouver, thus expending one of the West coast convoys. Adding a 6th convoy to the west coast sea zone solved the problem for me.

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RE: Japan Not Sending BP's to USA in GW - 12/3/2013 10:42:00 PM

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Ominus,

Do you have 5 USA CP's in each of the following sea areas?

West Coast
Mendocino
Hawaiian islands
Central Pacific

AND

Do you have 5 Japanese CP's in the Japanese Coast?

I have this setup and receive the traded build point from Japan to San Francisco.

If this is not the case in your situation, could you nominate what type of game you are playing, version and a description and pic of the convoy setup? To fix any problem, details of the potential bug need to be clearly described to assist Steve fix the problem (if there is one).

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RE: Japan Not Sending BP's to USA in GW - 12/4/2013 10:14:18 AM

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I have had the problem of a disappearing Japanese build point trade to the US, and the cause was a convoy chain from the US to the Philippines. The computer insisted on trying to send the Philippines resource to the US. Not making such a chain solved the problem. Of course, if you want such a chain, there is a problem, at least until the one can ship the Philippine resource to China.

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RE: Japan Not Sending BP's to USA in GW - 12/4/2013 2:27:32 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: doohanok

Ominus,

Do you have 5 USA CP's in each of the following sea areas?

West Coast
Mendocino
Hawaiian islands
Central Pacific

AND

Do you have 5 Japanese CP's in the Japanese Coast?

I have this setup and receive the traded build point from Japan to San Francisco.

If this is not the case in your situation, could you nominate what type of game you are playing, version and a description and pic of the convoy setup? To fix any problem, details of the potential bug need to be clearly described to assist Steve fix the problem (if there is one).

I have the above set up plus an additional convoy in the West Coast and one up next to Alaska for that resource. I don't receive the bp from Japan either but I do if I don't put the added two convoys out there. Yhis is for the Global scenario in solitaire mode.

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RE: Japan Not Sending BP's to USA in GW - 12/4/2013 2:34:52 PM

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- make sure that you have not already picked any of the US Entry options to lessen the resources to Japan. That removes the BP requirement from Japan.

- is this during the turn, or at the Production Planning Prelim phase? I am having some issues getting BPs from France to Commonwealth in my game, and I am hoping that during the End of Turn Phase (Production Planning) it will then show up correctly.

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RE: Japan Not Sending BP's to USA in GW - 12/4/2013 7:32:56 PM

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It looks as though either allowing the Philippine reosurce or the Alaskan oil to be picked up - will cause space in the CP chain to be reserved by those and then there's no room for the JP BP.

The Alaskan oil should be content with going through Canada, but seems not to be. Easily fixed with one more CP.

There are not enough CPs to fix the Philippine one unless it is sent to China. Has anyone tried to put the CP there but set the Philippine resource to idle?

Edit: Experienced players of the boardgame will send the Philippine resource to Japan, but this has always been a rules controversy. Cannot recall if MWiF allows it.

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RE: Japan Not Sending BP's to USA in GW - 12/4/2013 7:50:36 PM

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Yes, I tried setting the Philippine resource to idle after setting up a convoy chain. The Japanese build point still went away.

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Interesting - 12/5/2013 4:01:55 PM

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gautebirkeli,
Actually I've checked the pathing of that Alaskan oil resource that I usually send to save in the USA. The detailed route shows that only one convoy point in the Alaskan Gulf is used to get to Vancouver where it is transported to the USA via rail, not one in the West Coast. I actually do have an unused convoy point in the West Coast with 5 convoy points there. In the previous game I had 6 transports in the West Coast and had two unused.

When I saved a Japanese Build Point on turn 2 after building units it is now showing as being traded to the USA on turn 3. Shannon even chimed in that build points in current production can't be sent, we need to save a BP in order to trade it. I'll double check your claim when I get a spare convoy point I can put in the West Coast.

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I Have Proper Set Up - 12/5/2013 4:14:10 PM

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doohanok,
I guess you didn't understand my comment that I have one unused convoy point in all 5 sea areas along the Japan/USA convoy chain. I'm not an idiot so yes I have set up my convoy points properly in every sea area designated in the set up instructions.

I am playing the Global War scenario solitaire, with version 1.041. While all 4 USA resource points are going to Japan just fine, the Japanese Build Point did not automatically set up for me. I'm shipping the oil from Alaska to save in the USA but I checked the route and it only uses the one sea area adjacent to Alaska routing it to Vancouver for rail transport to the USA save point.

I have 5 convoy points in every sea area, including the West Coast. I have one unused convoy point in each sea area. On turn 2 I saved one Japanese build point and on turn 3 it shows as being traded to the USA and the USA production planning screen says it's receiving one BP in trade.

So yes I had my convoy points set up correctly and now that there is a saved BP in Japan it wants to send it. So my question to you is which Build Point factory is you game sending from Japan to the USA? Are you sure it's current production and not a saved BP? Shannon has chimed in on my other thread on this in the regular forum section and stated that we need to have saved BP's to send. I'm not really buying his answer because I could swear that Germany is sending one to the USSR just fine from current production.

So how many convoy points do you set up in the West Coast and what do you do with your Alaskan oil point? Do you enter the Production Planning Screen during set up? I'm just trying to figure out why you're getting Japan to send the BP automatically while others like me can't in Global War.

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Can't Set Up USA Convoy Points in other Pacific Sea Areas - 12/5/2013 4:20:12 PM

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pauldernyk,
I discovered that we can't set up USA convoy points in sea areas in the Pacific other than along the convoy chain to Japan and the Alaskan Gulf. I tried setting up USA convoy points in the Marshalls sea area adjacent to the Philippines but can't, tries other sea areas adjacent to the Marshalls and Hawaii and even Hawaii but they aren't allowed.

I'm thinking that MWiF probably stops the USA from sending the Philippines resource point, or if it does it also sends the other 4 that are preprogrammed to be sent.

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RE: Can't Set Up USA Convoy Points in other Pacific Sea... - 12/5/2013 4:28:31 PM

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you can't set them up during game setup, but starting at turn 1 you can move convoys from San Diego to Honolulu, and then turn 2 you can stretch them to phillipines. It works as I am doing it right now in Nov/Dec 39

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I Knew That - 12/5/2013 4:46:10 PM

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markb50k,
Yes I know we can move USA convoy points to sea in the Pacific once the game starts. I only talked about the set up, not later.

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RE: I Knew That - 12/5/2013 5:09:19 PM

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some US convoys set up in the USA, some set up in Pearl Harbor....only the Pearl Harbor convoy points could reach certain zones in the Pacific and once they were all set up, only USA based CPs would be left to set up. ?

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RE: Can't Set Up USA Convoy Points in other Pacific Sea... - 12/5/2013 9:12:03 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Omnius

pauldernyk,
I discovered that we can't set up USA convoy points in sea areas in the Pacific other than along the convoy chain to Japan and the Alaskan Gulf. I tried setting up USA convoy points in the Marshalls sea area adjacent to the Philippines but can't, tries other sea areas adjacent to the Marshalls and Hawaii and even Hawaii but they aren't allowed.

I'm thinking that MWiF probably stops the USA from sending the Philippines resource point, or if it does it also sends the other 4 that are preprogrammed to be sent.

Omnius

Omins,
Depends if you tried placing the ones that start in Honolulu or the ones that start on the West Coast. Because of the "pre-game-start" naval moves allowed. We both know the West Coast is out of range, but I'm fairly sure the last time I set up the US units, I was able to put a Honolulu based CP there.

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RE: Can't Set Up USA Convoy Points in other Pacific Sea... - 12/6/2013 2:41:27 PM

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UPDATE:

((I had another BP trade agreement problem, similar to the one in this thread, where France->CW BPs did not seem to be flowing))...

Upon reaching the Prelim Prod Planning phase, as hoped for, the system was now sending a total of 6 BPs from France to CW, which was the max possible given available CPs. So, in my case, even though throughout the turn it only showed 2 BPs going, once End of Turn arrived it flowed more BPs.

Additionally, even though France promised 15 BPs and could only deliver 6 BPs, France was able to use the rest of the BPs herself, even though the RAC states that it shouldnt. Fine by me.

So in summary, don't trust completely what the Production Planning screen shows while early in the turn.

Omnius, you may want to confirm that the BP wasnt flowing even in the Prelim AND Final Prod Planning Phase

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