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Supply vs. Replenish - 12/9/2013 3:50:06 AM   
ChadS

 

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I'm not understanding what a replenish task force offers, versus a supply task force. Is there a real difference in these in game? Both mention need of TFs for ammo, fuel, etc.

Thank you!
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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/9/2013 4:14:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		resupply of task forces is quite complex. you need the right size port for every thing except fuel (till '45 when AE's work underway) fuel replenishment TFs with loaded AO"
will do for fuel. ports can be helped out with the appropriate AUX ships. you might want to look for those threads.

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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/9/2013 7:09:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ChadS

Hello,

I'm not understanding what a replenish task force offers, versus a supply task force. Is there a real difference in these in game? Both mention need of TFs for ammo, fuel, etc.

Thank you!


To fuel a TF that is not in port you need a replenishment TF. With loaded AO in it.

Later the Allies can also replenish ammo and sorties using AE. I think in mid-44.

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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/9/2013 12:31:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: obvert


quote:

ORIGINAL: ChadS

Hello,

I'm not understanding what a replenish task force offers, versus a supply task force. Is there a real difference in these in game? Both mention need of TFs for ammo, fuel, etc.

Thank you!


To fuel a TF that is not in port you need a replenishment TF. With loaded AO in it.

Later the Allies can also replenish ammo and sorties using AE. I think in mid-44.


January 1945. And only up to a certain size shell. Don't recall the upper limit, but it's not 16-in and it does allow 5-in. 8-in I'm unsure of after several years without unrep.

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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/9/2013 2:09:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, good stuff to know. However, I've been using a supply task force to refuel at sea. It seems to be working (ships in the TF gain endurance, and the AO loses fuel cargo). Is that not how it should work?

Not trying to be argumentative. This is why I asked--I'm not getting expected results.

Thanks!

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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/9/2013 2:26:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Supply TF's 'can' replenish ships fuel from their own stores. A 'Replenish' TF will pump fuel from their loaded supplies. You are confusing the 2

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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/9/2013 2:34:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Excellent. That's what I was looking for. Thanks!

Before I start another thread that's been asked a million times, can anyone recommend a Political Points primer? I'm getting far enough in where I'm needing a better understanding of [R] vs. (R), what they can do, where they can go, and if it makes sense to change their HQs.

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(Edited to correctly refer to Political Points--I'd called it Command Points.)

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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/9/2013 5:55:29 PM   
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better understanding of [R] vs. (R), what they can do, where they can go, and if it makes sense to change their HQs.
the important difference is yellow/white. if the command line is yellow you can change command. if white you cannot.

anything can MARCH to anywhere (unless static) its transporting by sea (sometimes air) which is the pain.

most any unit can be transported by air/ pay the PP to change the target base to the correct command and off you go. the drawback with air transport is only small arms/small guns/small mortars etc will be lifted. vehicles,ART and mobile anything will stay behind.

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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/10/2013 8:20:51 PM   
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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/10/2013 8:22:48 PM   
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Later the Allies can also replenish ammo and sorties using AE. I think in mid-44.



Is this correct? I have not seen (or, at least, cannot recall seeing) a CV's sorties being replenished by using a Replenishment TF.

Not disputing. Just looking to confirm.

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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/10/2013 8:33:27 PM   
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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/11/2013 1:43:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not believe CV's get ammo replenished. As I understand it, it's escorts etc that get their ammo stores replenished.

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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/11/2013 8:52:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		CV's will replenish ammo (sorties) from AE/AKE's

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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/11/2013 8:53:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Itdepends

CV's will replenish ammo (sorties) from AE/AKE's


They will? From Unrep TF's?

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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/12/2013 3:07:06 PM   
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They will? From Unrep TF's?


ohhh i am just imagining transfering torpedoes underway.

i darn near got smashed by the MAIL transfering.

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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/14/2013 1:49:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some clarifications are in order.

1.  Commencing 1 January 1945, AE type vessels which are in a Replenishment TF, can rearm from their "cargo" hold, ships in other task forces whilst at sea.

2.  AKE and TK type vessels can never rearm and refuel respectively from their "cargo" holds, ships in other task forces whilst at sea.  The same restriction applies to AE type vessels prior to 1 January 1945.

3.  AKE and TK type vessels must be at a base (ditto for AE prior to 1 January 1945) in order to rearm and refuel respectively from their "cargo" holds other ships in a task force currently at that base (it need not be docked).  The AKE/TK may be either disbanded in the port or in a task force.  Ships in other task forces which wish to replenish from the AKE/TK either select:

(a) replenish from port, if the AKE/TK are disbanded in port, or
(b) replenish at sea, if the AKE/TK are in a task force

4.  AE/AKE can replenish all weapon systems (except mines), subject to having a sufficient internal cargo hold capacity and the requisite supply to meet the rearming cost.  In practice this means that AKE will probably only be able to rearm up to 12" guns.  Most AE (but not all) can rearm up to 16" guns.  All AE/AKE are capable of rearming carrier aircraft and torpedo sorties.

Read this thread for reference.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2296976&mpage=1&key=replenish&#2297331

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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/14/2013 1:52:34 PM   
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Succinct and Crystal Clear.

I would expect nothing else.

Thank You, Sir -

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RE: Supply vs. Replenish - 12/28/2013 5:37:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		The War in the Pacific made the USN the most proficient replenish at sea force in the history of Naval Warfare. After that we got better. I did a tour on USS BUTTE (AE-27) 1980-82 and while I never saw a battleship from BUTTE we did move 500 pound bombs by the hundred, missiles of all sorts (including the Tarter/Terrier/Standard), Harpoons (which were new) and even a 7,000 pound aircraft engine.

The only question is when we got the capability.

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