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RE: Now these counters are awesome - 12/17/2013 3:10:46 PM

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Well there certainly isn't a lot of competition out there. At least none with an ai. As far as patched up? Yes, they're done releasing patches for it. That part I'm not crazy about. If that laptop is running 64 bit windows 7, it might not be as stable as you hoped it would be, although some user created programs have indeed helped to stabilize it. I'd recommend weekly autosaves. I believe they will soon announce hoi4, most likely in January.

IF WiF was stable with an ai, it would be the definitive grog global war game. But right now that's a big if.

I have to disagree, as Making History I & II has all the detail of HOI's and a smart ai.l I've never met a HOI I couldn't beat but this ai in Making History really is aggressive. The USA attacked me in Brazil, the HOI series AI never did that.

Tried it and didn't care for it.

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RE: Now these counters are awesome - 12/17/2013 3:37:59 PM

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Same as I felt about all the HOI's ever since the 1st one. I've waited till they were $5 or less on all of them. I actually think II was the best and with all it's DLC. III was a horrible release. I'll never forget that one. So many people made a Hitler Youtube about it, they were so funny.

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RE: Now these counters are awesome - 12/17/2013 3:56:19 PM

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What isnt funny is the 38 score that MH2 received from Metacritic. Yikes. Just slightly lower than the bomb Air Conflicts: Vietnam and Sniper Elite: Nazi Zombie Army 2.

Different strokes for different folks for sure.

Actually, Sniper Elite: Nazi Zombie Army 2 got a score of 51. More than a few points higher than MH2.

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RE: Now these counters are awesome - 12/17/2013 11:23:15 PM

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Same as I felt about all the HOI's ever since the 1st one. I've waited till they were $5 or less on all of them. I actually think II was the best and with all it's DLC. III was a horrible release. I'll never forget that one. So many people made a Hitler Youtube about it, they were so funny.

You mean this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LamgAfVj980&bpctr=1387327680 ?

e: (oh you mean the Hitler in the bunker video. Still, my link is the best HOI3 video anyone ever made)

The problem with HOI3 is that it doesn't know if it wants to be a wargame or a grand strategy game and in trying to do both it ends up being not particularly good at either (it's an object lesson of the risks of ignoring a strong theme of a game in favour of piling on layer after layer of complexity). The current version is certainly playable (it wasn't on release) but it isn't really fun like HOI2 was.

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RE: Now these counters are awesome - 12/18/2013 2:48:45 AM

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Same as I felt about all the HOI's ever since the 1st one. I've waited till they were $5 or less on all of them. I actually think II was the best and with all it's DLC. III was a horrible release. I'll never forget that one. So many people made a Hitler Youtube about it, they were so funny.

You mean this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LamgAfVj980&bpctr=1387327680 ?

e: (oh you mean the Hitler in the bunker video. Still, my link is the best HOI3 video anyone ever made)

The problem with HOI3 is that it doesn't know if it wants to be a wargame or a grand strategy game and in trying to do both it ends up being not particularly good at either (it's an object lesson of the risks of ignoring a strong theme of a game in favour of piling on layer after layer of complexity). The current version is certainly playable (it wasn't on release) but it isn't really fun like HOI2 was.

Agree Alchenar, that's what I thought too. I just never could get into the HOI's like i could the Making History turn based games that were quite simuliar. Plus the ai was really good. I also played Italy on just hard and the US thrashe my arse up the boot. (Pun intended) lol To me most realistic full WWII game I ever played. Of course I still have yet to play WIF because they didn't put an AI in it. Must be pretty boring to play solo.

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RE: Now these counters are awesome - 12/18/2013 12:01:12 PM

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Of course I still have yet to play WIF because they didn't put an AI in it. Must be pretty boring to play solo.

It is not for everyone, that is for sure. Even when it does have an AI, that statement will hold true. It is a VERY complex game. I am new to the system, but the thing that has attracted me to it is the fact that the system is tried and true through years of refinement. I figured if that many people still play it after all this time there must be something worth investing the time to learn the system. I'm still not there yet, but it is an amazing game.

Like I said before, different strokes for different folks. If you were looking to score some points by dissing a game you think I am married to, you have failed. Boring solo play? Not for me it isn't. Does it still have issues even solo? Yes. But point me to a game of this complexity that has been adapted to computer. There aren't any. While there are some remaining netplay issues, I believe they will be wrapped up soon as per the programmer Steve. If you want a sense of how deep the game is check out the AAR section. Again, it has a large following through the decades for a reason.

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RE: Now these counters are awesome - 12/18/2013 12:25:23 PM

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I have Hearts of Iron 3. I bought some of the extras, but it crashes a lot, and sometimes the mods won't work. Common Weapons of WW2 I think I could never get to work correctly. Anyway, I bought it on sale when I bought it and got some value out of it. I played it fairly deeply into a campaign. Russia took over all of Europe after beating Germany, and I was gearing up as the USA to take them on. But, then I got bored after making some landing in Southern France.

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RE: Now these counters are awesome - 12/18/2013 12:35:41 PM

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I have Hearts of Iron 3. I bought some of the extras, but it crashes a lot, and sometimes the mods won't work. Common Weapons of WW2 I think I could never get to work correctly. Anyway, I bought it on sale when I bought it and got some value out of it. I played it fairly deeply into a campaign. Russia took over all of Europe after beating Germany, and I was gearing up as the USA to take them on. But, then I got bored after making some landing in Southern France.

I experienced many crashes also. The other day I installed a user made program that doubles the available memory for the exe and have not had any so far, although I haven't played much. HoI3 is decent. Not great imo but not horrible either. If they would streamline certain things while expanding others AND make it turn based, Id probably enjoy it more.

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RE: Now these counters are awesome - 12/18/2013 1:30:00 PM

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My first pc wargame that I was totally addicted to was HOI2.I forego pc's up untill 2007 when I finally decided to "get into the net"

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RE: Now these counters are awesome - 12/18/2013 1:34:43 PM

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The lack of contrast makes the text hard to read.

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RE: Now these counters are awesome - 12/18/2013 1:48:41 PM

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The lack of contrast makes the text hard to read.

I agree. A white box with the text in it would be much better.

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RE: Now these counters are awesome - 12/19/2013 3:53:57 AM

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There are several versions of Francesco's counters mod to choose from--not just the one shown in this thread. He also has created a "models" mod for the unit builder interface that accurately depicts equipment.
The models mod is limited to use in other mods depending on how much was changed. The counters mod can be used with most anything. Francesco is a talented and much appreciated fellow with HoI 3 players
Regarding HoI 3, it is well into its 3rd (and likely last) major add on. If you are going to play this game, don't even consider the base game--it is archaic compared to the most recent version TFH. Stability wise, I may not have had a CTD with the game in years (likely more than 1000 hours). The only time I have a problem is with a new mod that is in an early beta status.
BTW, adding any mod or DLC (not expansion) to the main game folder makes it very hard to run any mods. TFH has a mod folder for everything--except one or two that used Mod Dir.

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RE: Now these counters are awesome - 12/19/2013 11:51:49 AM

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I have Hearts of Iron 3. I bought some of the extras, but it crashes a lot, and sometimes the mods won't work. Common Weapons of WW2 I think I could never get to work correctly. Anyway, I bought it on sale when I bought it and got some value out of it. I played it fairly deeply into a campaign. Russia took over all of Europe after beating Germany, and I was gearing up as the USA to take them on. But, then I got bored after making some landing in Southern France.

I experienced many crashes also. The other day I installed a user made program that doubles the available memory for the exe and have not had any so far, although I haven't played much. HoI3 is decent. Not great imo but not horrible either. If they would streamline certain things while expanding others AND make it turn based, Id probably enjoy it more.

The concept very much interests me, especially how you can't research all techs, so you jhave to make a choice on how you're going to play.

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