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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 11:14:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the West side now. I think I've found a weak spot. If I take down that rearguard unit then the path will be open to the German
rear areas. Maybe. We'll have to develop the battlefield and see where the dynamics go.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 11:52:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		T73 front lines. More of the same really. Still advancing, finding German positions, looking for weak spots.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 12:16:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have overcome a rearguard position and the way seems open to advance again. I need to send some recon into the NW area to see
what lives up there. I'm expecting some more Germans somewhere in there to hold the Gothic Line extending to the west.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 12:31:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going through the OOB moving units and all of a sudden I got an RBC and overcame another rearguard and another way has opened
to the German rear areas. So much for the Gothic Line. I'm going to have to move a bunch of engineers up here to repair all those
broken bridges and repair the rail so we can push further north faster.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 1:16:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		The railhead on the West side is getting really close to the Arno river. Time to switch these RR engineers to the East side.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 1:21:21 PM   
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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 1:34:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		And here's what the East side looks like now. I defeated one roadblock and now have another further north to contend w/. I'm going to
switch the RR engineers to this side to boost the supply level to a higher level. The other engineers are to go to the West side to
repair all those busted bridges. And THEN start working on the rails on the West side.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 3:06:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the T75 front lines. I'm advancing on the coasts and locked in combat in the middle. I suspect I'll be mopping up in the middle
for a while. I need, meanwhile, to repair the rail headed north and NE from the Arno river area. The railhead is already at the Arno on
the West coast and I can switch the RR engineers after about 5 turns or so from the East side to the West side to help out in repairing
the rail headed NE.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 3:26:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've discovered that the application of a lot of CS has allowed my partisans to survive German attacks. Here's a situation where I've
parked a partisan on a broken bridge and dug it in ( 'F' ) and sure enough pretty soon there's a German engineer unit here to repair
the bridge and alas, it's occupiedo. So soon after the engineers show up there was the appearance of some German combat units to
attack the partisan and each attack causes about 8% losses to the Axis and none to the Allies. Pretty cool. A human would bring a
bigger force or try a flank attack or something. Not the same attack over and over failing each time.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 7:13:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		T76 front lines. A small victory on the East side and I'm on the move again. I've switched the RR engineers to the East side to give the
supply level a small future boost. The other engineers are on the West side repairing bridges and repairing rail headed north.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 7:23:36 PM   
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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 8:20:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the West side now. I'm doing mop up on the coast and toward the middle I'm doing fire and maneuvor and trying to get the
weak spot(s) to expose themselves. Lots of movement toward the north. I'm joining areas that partisans have converted which makes
the supply spread increase toward the north and west. That's confusing.......I should do a picture of that.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 8:54:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the T77 front lines. I'm clearing hexes and moving north on the East side and mopping up and moving north on the West side and
in the middle I'm locked in combat. I've found several weak spots and I'm pressing on them. Progress is being made.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 9:24:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the East side now. I've thrust out a brave unit out into enemy territory to cut off a lot of German units from their supply. I'm
thinking they will be easier to take down now. So we'll start doing mop up soon. And other units will press further north.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/27/2014 10:19:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		T78 front lines. I have completed the mop up on the West side so the units there are pressing north and splitting off to clear to the West.
Some German units are starting to move into the area I'm entering on the West side. I get the impression all the defenders were off to
the West somewhere and they are late getting to the game.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/28/2014 1:03:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		And now for something completely different. One of my readers wanted me to playtest the Papua scenario and I got curious about it
and took a look and I discovered that it's a "PBEM only" kind of scenario which implies that there's no PO for either side. And I'm so
new at scenario design that I'm not sure I know how to give the PO some objectives and some tracks to follow etc. But I can try I guess.
I'll let you know how it's going etc.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/28/2014 2:18:10 AM   
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I get the impression all the defenders were off to the West somewhere and they are late getting to the game.


I'm curious myself. Do you have a sal file from around turn 72-75 ?

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/28/2014 2:44:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the T75 sal file. Just truncate the dot text off the file name and unzip it. I've also got a T71 save if you'd rather have that.


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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/28/2014 2:46:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's T71 sal file. Same story about taking off the dot txt and unzip it.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/28/2014 2:49:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		T79 front lines. I made a sort of breakthrough on the East side. It appears to be clear sailing for as far as the binoculars can see.
Too bad the supply level is so low I could really see me doing a Patton to all that clear terrain.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/28/2014 6:07:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's a zoom in of the front lines after the first combat round ended.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/28/2014 6:32:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

Here's T71 sal file. Same story about taking off the dot txt and unzip it.


Ok, I see what's going on ... the Partisans are triggering things they shouldn't be. Sorry, but I'll have to remove them and use the guerrilla event thingy to simulate them.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/28/2014 6:37:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm pretty sure that's going to mean a restart. So I'll just discontinue this game and wait for the
new version from you Steve dude.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/28/2014 10:01:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm playing this scenario by myself too, and if you are interested I have one suggestion or two. I'm not an experienced player so take this as merely my two cents.
Playing this scenario with the half week turn seems a little too harsh for me. Since in this scenario the supplies are your big limit during advancing manouvers, I felt that the one day turn wasn't completely wrong. I agree that keeping it would make absolutely un-historical outcome, like conquering brenner pass by november 1944 or something like that, but I wonder if it wouldn't be a good solution a 2 days turn (say 3 turns per week). Playing with one day turn I've experienced a different strategical feeling than the half week turn scenario. Advances with no opposition were realistic, with MOT INF just below 60-70km per day and INF and PAR settling for 30 km or less. Playing with the old version when I was reorganizing and thus not moving, I felt like I was doing it realistically, planning an offensive and all sort of logistical stuff made sense in the scenario, with the new one I feel like I'm losing time and I'm gonna pay for every lost turn late in the scenario.
What do you think of? Maybe is this a Newbie rant?
PS: Sorry for my english, ain't anglophone here!

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/28/2014 1:35:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: frankieITA
...I felt that the one day turn wasn't completely wrong.

Hey there frankieITA dude. I too felt better with one day turns. I'm not sure it makes any difference to gameplay and I'm not aware of
how many turns there are w/ one-day turns or w/ half-week turns since I've never gotten to the end of the scenario. Maybe it would
get to the winter season faster w/ half-week turns.. One-day turns just felt right.

Thanks for posting and keeping up w/ my adventures in Italy.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/28/2014 2:32:02 PM   
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... I wonder if it wouldn't be a good solution a 2 days turn (say 3 turns per week).


Our choices are One Day or Half Week, there is no in between.

I agree with the points both of you make, and that is probably why the original designer chose the One Day turn interval. But going back to the reasons for my decision to modify this scenario, I wasn't interested in playing 672 easy turns (and obviously if somebody wants that they still have the original). I wanted something more of a challenge, and against the PO. Still no success with the PO, but I'll keep at it.

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... with the new one I feel like I'm losing time and I'm gonna pay for every lost turn late in the scenario.


We've had 5 or 6 plays and so far we haven't made it into 1945 before quiting because its too easy, so I think you are panicking too quickly. Other than reaching Messina by Aug 16, all other historical advance rates have been crushed to this point. And Messina isn't an impossible one to reach either.

Appreciate the comments and insight, hoepfully I've made some sense in my response.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/30/2014 3:51:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

I wasn't interested in playing 672 easy turns (and obviously if somebody wants that they still have the original). I wanted something more of a challenge, and against the PO. Still no success with the PO, but I'll keep at it.




I agree with that point, when you find actually waiting 2 months, day by day, preparing an offensive the scenario becomes boring, for gameplay reasons i'd stick with half weeks turns.
As an Italian I'm deluded by the downgrading of Corpo Italiano di Liberazione (Italian Liberation Corps, Allied-sided division sized corps that fought till late '44) to a humble motorized brigade (but maybe I've been unlucky with an event?)...I'm probably campanilistic and I'm sure you have your good motivations, I'd like to see at least one Italian Allied parachute regiment too because they actually made some good things during operation Herring(even if it's late game for this scenario).

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/30/2014 9:44:33 PM   
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As an Italian I'm deluded by the downgrading of Corpo Italiano di Liberazione


I've found very little on the actual fighting strength of the late Italian units. I had an idea that they contributed to the fighting, but that also part of their strength was used in non-frontline duties. Anything you can contribute is much appreciated.

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I'd like to see at least one Italian Allied parachute regiment


I'm a big fan of para ops, so I jumped right on Wiki to find Operation Herring. Very interesting, I'll add them in.


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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/30/2014 10:04:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK. I'll just wait for a new version from Steve before I play Sicily to Brenner Pass yet again.

EDIT: OK. Steve has included some Italian paratroopers and has removed most of the partisans so we're ready for another go of
this scenario. For those of you who want to try this scenario I've attached it below. Just take the dot txt off the filename and unzip it.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 1/31/2014 4:30:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		These are the options I'm going to use. I'm not sure these are optimal for the scenario so I'd like Steve to give me a shout out if they
aren't wright.




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