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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/26/2013 1:13:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK. I think I may have discovered a showstopper. There's no supply point to feed the invasion area. I couldn't find one on the
entire peninsula although I didn't scan in depth and I may have missed one or more of them.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/26/2013 2:17:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Historically the Allies landed at Reggio (and Taranto) before Salerno. Try to get Reggio and i think you'll have supply.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/26/2013 4:23:17 PM   
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The entire 45th Division is in reorg. Is this an event driven thing or did the HQ unit fail a morale check?


Its not an event thing, so they must have failed a check.

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Is there some reason AAA 4 is mobile and the rest of them are fortified?


It probably got knocked out of 'F' by an Axis Air Attack. Side note - all those AA units in Tunisia and Malta were not in the original scenario. I added them in because the Axis Air Units were attacking the Allied Air Units there and wiping them out in the first few turns !


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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/26/2013 4:30:57 PM   
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... go to the force editor, delete all equipment items that are listed below the ghost slot and reassign the deleted equipment again.


I tried this with the first unit in the oob that had the issue (HQ Eighth Army) and it didn't work. I won't use the xml editor as I don't trust it. Like we've said, it doesn't seem to affect anything, it just looks funny.

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So this is an error in the evil editor then ( the export function ) ?


Not sure where the error is, but it was caused when I added a custom equipment file, then went back and made all the equipment adjustments. If somebody wanted to recreate it, they could grab the eqp file that comes with this scenario, then add it to the original scenario, then 'fix' the equipment in the HQ Eighth Army unit to see what happens (I think).

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/26/2013 4:41:42 PM   
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Historically the Allies landed at Reggio (and Taranto) before Salerno. Try to get Reggio and i think you'll have supply.


Ja, Reggio de Calabria at 162,230. Mr. Quisling did a good job in the original of restricting Ports and Supply Points so that the Allied player isn't encouraged to do anything too historically unreasonable. The next supply points in the northern direction are at Salerno, and to the northeast at Taranto (where the 1st AB historically landed).

Here's a chart of the Allied landings on the mainland :




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/26/2013 11:43:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		So here's the moves I made in T20 round one. That Panzer Division is going to be a problem I predict.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 1:38:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		So I've started the combat phase and here's the results of an arty strike on the stack of stuff I've got to destroy to get the supply point.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 1:54:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is what the beachead looks like now. I'm attacking north. Resistance is light so far.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 2:05:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK. So I started the combat phase and the game engine did one round and the turn ended abruptly. Now it's T21 and I see this screen.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 3:20:26 AM   
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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 3:28:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, something new in twenty two: the 8th Indian Division. I'm moving it to Messina to get it on the mainland ASAP.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 3:44:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I finally captured Reggio in T22. Now there's the small problem of that Panzer Division impeding my supply flow north.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 3:59:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK. It's T23 and I see this screen at the beginning of the turn:




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 4:04:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Even after capturing Reggio the supply situation is still dire north of the Panzer Division. No supply is getting through and the units to
the north are starving for bean, bullets, and band aids.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 4:49:50 AM   
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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 12:45:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Due to the supporting arty from the Messina side of the water, and lots of air support, and some timely attacks we got rid of the
interfering German squads from the Reggio area. The way is clear now. Now to repair the railroad going north.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 1:04:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's looking like I need to rethink my strategy. The supplies aren't getting to the tip of the spear and it looks like I need to repair a heck of
a lot of rail to get some supply to the front. And while that's going on I may as well take Sardinia and Cypris etc.






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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 1:22:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've got a good start on capturing all of Corsica. I'm not real sure what I can use the real estate for besides an unsinkable aircraft
carrier. I can put the shorter range planes there so they can reach Rome etc.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 1:29:37 PM   
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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 2:00:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting development. Do you know (or can you estimate) how many German units are left in the south of Italy? It looks like you destroyed a lot of them. With Corsica in your hands you would have air support for an invasion in the Rome area (Anzio is a supply point, Rome is one, too i would think). You could cut the peninsula in two thus cutting off all lines of communications for German units still in the south which you then can comfortably crush while building up around Rome for a drive into the north.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 2:34:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Telumar
Interesting development.

I think so too. I'm wondering if I'm on schedule "historically". Steve Sill posted a partial map showing invasion dates for
specific places. That's cool.

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ORIGINAL: Telumar
Do you know (or can you estimate) how many German units are left in the south of Italy?
It looks like you destroyed a lot of them.

I have no idea really. This is my introduction to this scenario and I'm playing by trial and error. I've only just now
established some supply flow for the bottom part of the peninsula. It's going to take forever to repair railroads from Reggio to
Salerno, say. I'm hoping there's a supply point at Salerno and Taranto because the going is going to be slow if there's not.

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ORIGINAL: Telumar
With Corsica in your hands you would have air support for an invasion in the Rome area (Anzio is a supply point, Rome is one, too i would think). You could cut the peninsula in two thus cutting off all lines of communications for German units still in the south which you then can comfortably crush while building up around Rome for a drive into the north.

That sounds like a really good idea. So I'll develop Corsicaa and get it ready. Also, I've been eyeballing Sardinia and wondering
how much trouble it would be to grab that little island. There's Germans on it so it wouldn't be a pushover.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 2:50:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh nooooooooooo. Disaster. The 1st Airland Brigade was targeted for a drop on an airfield near Salerno and there just happened to
be a German stack nearby and the whole Brigade evaporated. D'oh. I should have split up the Brigade and flew the pieces just to
prevent an occurance like this. Since this has occured I'm calling off the entire drop.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 3:02:15 PM   
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That sounds like a really good idea. So I'll develop Corsicaa and get it ready. Also, I've been eyeballing Sardinia and wondering
how much trouble it would be to grab that little island. There's Germans on it so it wouldn't be a pushover


Should be the 90. Panzer-Grenadier Division. Not an easy pushover, though outnumbered to a potential invasion. However i would leave Sardinia for the time being, i don't think that Elmer will ship the division from the island and i also don't know if Elmer has any sea ransport cap. Also, with the Allied navy ruling the Thyrrenian sea and Corsica in your hands such an endeavour would be highly risky in the real world.
Interestingly the 90. PzG Div. had a quite adventourous 'journey' from Sardinia to the main land. It evacuated Sardinia in early September to the south of Corsica. There they had to march north to Bastia and from there by ship to Elba and Livorno under constant pressure from the Maquis and regular french troops landing at the southern tip of the island.

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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
I'm wondering if I'm on schedule "historically"


Err... actually you're behind. At that date the Allies were advancing into the Naples plain from the Salerno beachhead which in the meantime had been reached by 8th Army advancing from the south. On the Adriatic Taranto and the Apulia region (Puglia) were firmly in Allied hands. Bari has been liberated on the 25th (?).

See here for a quick overview:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/interactive/animations/wwtwo_map_italy/index_embed.shtml

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 3:46:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dropped the 1st British Airborne Division on Taranto and captured another supply point. Good, maybe there will be some supply for
the push into the Napals area. I'm wondering if I need to build rail from Reggio now. Seems like a better idea to build railroad from
Taranto toward the north and NW.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 5:28:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok. I've moved everybody in T26 and I'm ready to execute the combat. I've overrun Corsica and the whole thing is mine now. I'm still
leaning toward Sardinia. I've got an 8th Indian Division all primed for it. Plus the Free French on Corsica are now unemployed.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 6:04:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was counting on SOME supply being there near Salerno but NNOoooooooo there's no supply to be had. So I'll have to pull back or
maybe keep importing some fresh units or something.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 6:11:28 PM   
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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 6:39:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interestingly the 90. PzG Div. had a quite adventourous 'journey' from Sardinia to the main land. It evacuated Sardinia in early September to the south of Corsica. There they had to march north to Bastia and from there by ship to Elba and Livorno under constant pressure from the Maquis and regular french troops landing at the southern tip of the island.

I found this unpleasant to simulate, so I settled on :




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 6:44:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		... and there was a earlier 'hint', although the news maybe should say 'transferred to Corsica' instead of the mainland :




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 12/27/2013 6:45:39 PM   
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There is one in Salerno and another one in Paestum.

Thank you muchly. I'll try to get Paestum first it seems easier than Salerno. I'm going to need a lot more troops in the AO to handle
the load.......good thing I've got some reserve paratroopers. I'm going to commit them.

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