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RE: Where's the Utah? - 1/22/2014 12:16:25 AM   
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Please chill dudes. We're just having a discussion here. If you feel your blood pressure rising, I suggest quit reading this thread.

The USN had several demilitarized BBs. The Wyoming and Utah have been mentioned. The USN also modified the Kearsarge to be a crane ship. She was on the East Coast most of the war, but spent some time in San Francisco.

Another old BB was the USS Oregon which was a museum ship in Portland, OR at the beginning of the war. The US was concerned there would be a steel shortage so in early 42 the Oregon was taken back by the Navy and they began scrapping her. When it became apparent there wasn't going to be a steel shortage, scrapping the Oregon was stopped and she was turned into a barge. She was used for supply storage after Guam was taken back and was moored there. In a typhoon she broke free and floated off into the Pacific. She was found several weeks later drifting on the high seas. She was towed back to Guam and sunk at the end of the war off Guam. An ignoble end to a very historic ship. Among many historians in Oregon it's still a sore point.

There were also a number of other demilitarized vessels used for yard support and other scut work during the war. Essentially including them is a level of detail the game just can't support. They are mostly included in naval support at a base.

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I didn't know this story. I know Wiki is a bad source, but it says the break-away was in 1948, the barge portion was recovered, but eventually scrapped in Japan at Kawasaki. It says the funnels and a mast were preserved in CONUS, but the funnels are in storage. The mast has a 100-year time capsule buried in front of it, to be opened in 2076.


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RE: Where's the Utah? - 1/22/2014 1:19:05 AM   
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I guess I misremembered some details. I have seen the mast, it's in a park in Portland. I didn't know the funnels are still around.

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RE: Where's the Utah? - 1/22/2014 8:42:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: wdolson

Please chill dudes. We're just having a discussion here. If you feel your blood pressure rising, I suggest quit reading this thread.

The USN had several demilitarized BBs. The Wyoming and Utah have been mentioned. The USN also modified the Kearsarge to be a crane ship. She was on the East Coast most of the war, but spent some time in San Francisco.

Another old BB was the USS Oregon which was a museum ship in Portland, OR at the beginning of the war. The US was concerned there would be a steel shortage so in early 42 the Oregon was taken back by the Navy and they began scrapping her. When it became apparent there wasn't going to be a steel shortage, scrapping the Oregon was stopped and she was turned into a barge. She was used for supply storage after Guam was taken back and was moored there. In a typhoon she broke free and floated off into the Pacific. She was found several weeks later drifting on the high seas. She was towed back to Guam and sunk at the end of the war off Guam. An ignoble end to a very historic ship. Among many historians in Oregon it's still a sore point.

There were also a number of other demilitarized vessels used for yard support and other scut work during the war. Essentially including them is a level of detail the game just can't support. They are mostly included in naval support at a base.

Bill


Sigh. I just found out this story too when I was back in Portland with family over Christmas. I grew up looking at that mast every day as my bus came in over the Morrison bridge on he way to school. I loved it. It's so mysterious, just that one piece left standing lookout there.

Now I would have been excited beyond belief to have seen the entire ship. So sad it isn't left there as a monument. My dad remembered it from when he was a kid.

Love that the ship made it all of the way to Guam and was a part of the war. Then went walkabout! Such an odd ending.

Found some interesting pics.






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RE: Where's the Utah? - 1/22/2014 9:16:47 AM   
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What's striking is how small those turn of the century battlewagons were. I have a 1/225 scale model of the Oregon and it's dwarfed by the 1/200 scale Arizona. A Fletcher class DD was 376 feet and an Indiana class BB was only 351 feet! Though the early BB had close to twice the beam and a deeper draft.

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RE: Where's the Utah? - 1/22/2014 7:21:52 PM   
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Yes that's very true. I was really surprised at how small the Mikasa was when I visited her some years back, she didn't feel much bigger than Warrior or Victory in many ways

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