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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/25/2016 10:53:18 PM   
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Chinese are fragile on the attack....egads,I would be worried about where all the good Allied troops are!



Nah, my troops got wrecked.

The landslide of **** that is Thailand continues to amaze me. The Japanese starve, despite a rail network, while Allied troops numbering in the hundreds of thousands can wander through the jungle without supply issues in combat.

My attitude to Thailand right now - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/25/2016 10:58:49 PM   
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Ayuthia should be a fortress with level 5 forts by now. You can stand up to Allied bombers with high forts and AA and enough units but you should still be able to put up a good fight in theair too. With the Rahaeng Triangle and Bangkok to Lang Son, you won't have a better chance of grinding out air losses against the Allies until Honshu.

Bangkok and Ayuthia incredibly important, especially since he can't naval bombard you (which are absolute killers).

Since he lacks naval access behind your lines you should really have an advantage in holding this area.

You need more supply, which I think might be your weakspot now that you seem to have fighters covered. Try to get 300K into Vietnam/Thailand, especially if you are planning on fighting in the air.

BTW, what are your supply levels now?




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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/25/2016 11:05:29 PM   
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Chinese are fragile on the attack....egads,I would be worried about where all the good Allied troops are!



Nah, my troops got wrecked.

The landslide of **** that is Thailand continues to amaze me. The Japanese starve, despite a rail network, while Allied troops numbering in the hundreds of thousands can wander through the jungle without supply issues in combat.

My attitude to Thailand right now - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g



It is easier to defend outside of towns as Japan there for sure, but that is why I am harping on setting up huge supply hubs -- it takes a while to make them, more so in Malaria bases.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/28/2016 8:50:46 AM   
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Chinese are fragile on the attack....egads,I would be worried about where all the good Allied troops are!



Nah, my troops got wrecked.

The landslide of **** that is Thailand continues to amaze me. The Japanese starve, despite a rail network, while Allied troops numbering in the hundreds of thousands can wander through the jungle without supply issues in combat.

My attitude to Thailand right now - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g


I don't think it is as simple as wandering through the jungle ...
When I played this game it took building up bases on the Burma border and stocking up supplies ..
then releasing these supplies... Capturing Ramree Island was essential .. once Rangoon was secure this trick of building up so much supply it washing out as a tide ..
I would assume the same mechanics are required by the IJ with the only difference the amount of supply attrited .. the rail moves more and costs less .. the jungle looses a lot more supply that does not penetrate as far ..

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/28/2016 11:08:18 PM   
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I agree with the above posts. The allies are week in supply (looking at your map). Their troops won't starve, but they won't be blitzing across Thailand either.
Lowpie had an effective defense set up here that stymied me for months. He had 4 main defensive positions, only one was a "base".
Try to get some strong defenses in the x3 terrain, and protect it well with AA. Moulmein is a bit out on a limb right now, but if that movement dot to the north is real, it's probably worth waiting to trash a few units before retreating. I'd probably still keep an expendable unit behind to make him reduce the forts before taking the base.
I would still defend Tavoy and Mergui, but once he takes Moulmein and starts pushing down that road, don't be afraid to back out. He can't move quickly out of them so long as you defend the roads. Any movement he makes will take weeks, your counters take days.
Victoria Point and other bases south can't be overlooked though, as they can cut off Malaya. Georgetown in particular has good road networks coming off it.

I think you are in ok shape (not withstanding the unknown location of the good allied units). This is a slow, painful area to advance. Pick your defensive lines (I like the x3 terrain better than any bases), don't worry too much about allied units trying to flank you in the jungle (holding the length of the roads, however, is critical), and make sure when you are pushed back, you can head east, and not south.
Also keep in mind he needs supply, and a lot of it. A trickle comes overland from India (no where near enough to support the number of troops he has here), so he needs to be shipping it into somewhere... probably Rangoon, maybe Ramree. Get some scouts up and see if you can hit a supply convoy (with air, or even a naval raid).

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/29/2016 4:41:01 PM   
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Thanks for the comments! I'll reply in due course. My undergrad dissertation is due this week so AE is a secondary consideration at present!

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/18/2016 3:58:47 PM   
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June 12th to June 20th, 1944

So, we resume the game.

North Pacific

Ain't nothing going on up here except fort and airbase levels. Hokkaido is turning into a real nasty island; hopefully the numerous large airbases connected by rails will deter the Allies from contemplating invasion until '45

Central Pacific

Milk run air and naval bombardments are regularly occurring in the Marshalls and on Ponape. I'm quite content to let this happen. I've some fighters at Truk that I'm debating sending to the Marshalls to spice things up, but I can't jusify commiting strike aircraft to this theatre, especially with so much Allied shipping concentrated in the DEI.

South-West Pacific

Allied forces are bombarding the Sorong area with disturbing regularity. We're still contesting them, and I'm building up bases nearby to help draw out the contest. I'm debating keeping the fast battleships on station to keep the Allies honest about naval commitments here.

No luck on night air attacks on Allied shipping, but the moonlight hasn't been so goo.d

DEI

The Allies ram more supply onto Latuem, as well as more troops. Their additional troops take horrific losses in the landing phases (unprepared?), but I still have the advantage, both in raw AV and in deployment. Supplies seem to be the major concern for both sides, however. This is one stalemate I am more than happy to keep drawing out.

Thailand

Loka misses a big chance to rush thousands of Allied AV into the open Thai plains after the fall of Raheng. I've managed to extract every unit from Chang Mai, and re-focused my defense around Uttradit.

With reinforcements being shovelled into theatre whole-sale, I'm debating a counter-attack on the Allied spear-head. With Bangkok so close at hand, my supply problems have disappeared, and my units are again upgrading and reinforcing. The four Japanese tank divisions will operate together with two or three infantry divisions to give me the offensive power to hopefully drive the Allies back. Retaking Raheng might be a bit too much, but at the very least I can hopefully get the hexsides closed off...

Time will tell.

In the air, Utteradit is closed by massed P-47 sweeps and 4E strikes, but that's not an issue as the air groups regroup at Bangkok and fresh groups are moved up to Pinasokole. The Allies attempt to sweep this base, but get a fairly bloody nose by low-stacked CAP - which seems to work quite well here.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/5/2016 2:52:34 PM   
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Here's a long overdue update of all the major fronts.



Burma is going quite well - the front is well on the way to being stabilized. The Chinese spearhead that has broken out into the open plains will be thrown back across the river in a few turns, and three IJA divisions plus some regiments will be following in close pursuit.

The Allied troops south-east of Chang Mai ended up crossing into the hex NW of Utteradit and suffered heavy losses, and the IJA troops will make Utteradit without much difficulty.

We had some success around June 24th. Part of the KB was having downtime in Manila for repairs and upgrades, so I sent a sizeable fragment to Medan in case any targets presented themselves. The original plan was for a sortie into the Indian Ocean to hunt convoys, but an Allied SCTF appears off Port Blair.

I sent my carriers after it, but Allied LBA CAP made a mess of several poorly co-ordinated Japanese strikes (bad weather), but the IJN pilots managed to give the Allied ships a reasonable mauling:

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Car Nicobar at 45,62

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 16
A6M5b Zero x 14
B6N2 Jill x 26
B7A2 Grace x 12
D4Y3 Judy x 58

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 6
P-40N5 Warhawk x 9
F4U-1A Corsair x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
A6M5b Zero: 3 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 8 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed by flak
B7A2 Grace: 1 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 8 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD McGowan
CA Cumberland, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD John Henley
DD Richard P. Leary, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Norman Scott
DD Remey
CL Emerald, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Paul Hamilton, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA Shropshire, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Hudson
DD Bryant
DD Black, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Rocket




My bases in the DEI seem to be causing Loka some difficulties as he's not been as aggressive as he could be. I am massing aircraft against any moves beyond Sorong, as well as on Timor and in the Marianas. The KB is recombining at Manila ready to respond to any attacks.

Manado and Minadano are being built up to the point that they will be very serious obstacles for any further advance.



Not much of note going on in the Central Pacific, other than the Allies cleaning up my bases from the air. Ponope, Truk and Eniwetok are my frontline bases now, though the supply situation on Eniwetok does cause me serious concern.



Here's the air losses screen. The Jills have been my mainstay of anti-shipping since they arrived, and have suffered accordingly. They have a joyous love of flying into the teeth of Allied CAP either unescorted or with insufficient escorts. Still, it keeps Loka honest, and they've had some great luck over the course of the war so far.

In other news, I'm starting to get excited about late-war airframe arrivals.

1945 will be a good year for new planes. The A7M2 Sam is due around the middle of the year, while the Shinden won't be long behind. Ki-83 and the rocket fighters are due in Q3.

The Ki-115a will arrive in early '45 as well, giving me my first dedicated kamikaze airframe.

More immediately, the N1K5 George and the Frank r are due within two months or so, bringing immediate relief to the Thud and Mustang sweeps.

As a side note, the discussion a few weeks ago on low-layered CAP as a counter to stratosweeps seems to be bearing fruit for me. While the losses aren't always in my favour, I'm exchanging second-grade airframes such as the Tojo and Zero for Thuds and Mustangs, which is perfectly acceptable for me.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/5/2016 3:30:38 PM   
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I think the last thing you want to do is send portion of the KB out into the Indian Ocean, away from your land based air search to hunt convoys.

You are doing so very well...don't risk your CVs on something so penny smart but dollar dumb.

Anyhow, you are putting together a great game...


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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/5/2016 3:52:42 PM   
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I think the last thing you want to do is send portion of the KB out into the Indian Ocean, away from your land based air search to hunt convoys.

You are doing so very well...don't risk your CVs on something so penny smart but dollar dumb.

Anyhow, you are putting together a great game...




This is true, but every deployment of the KB is a risk at this point. Even movement beyond a large port runs the risk of subs. Given the Allied focus on the eastern half of the map and the concentration of both Allied and Japanese carriers around it, I'd have felt pretty good about a sortie into the SLOC between India and Oz.

As it happens, I found something better in an Allied SCTF that picked the wrong day to bombard Victoria Point. It's hardly a victory (didn't even make any VP's from it), but I'm hoping the psychological impact is to keep Loka from thinking that he can sail ships around here freely.

I get the feeling we're reaching the decisive point of our game. The next six months will be the most important of the game. if I can keep Loka behind schedule and away from the Home Islands, I might be in such a strong position on the ground and in the air as to make his '45 campaigns a terrible slog.

Already the Bonins and Luzon are more or less ready for the Allies. Okinawa has the forts, but not the troops, and Formosa is the same. I've started moving reformed Naval Guard units to the smaller islands off Japan, and the restricted divisions that have been arriving as reinforcements are garrisoning the beaches of Japan proper.

I won't win, but I might not lose...

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/5/2016 4:02:10 PM   
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I won't win, but I might not lose...




Ah, spoken like a true JFB!

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/5/2016 4:12:16 PM   
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I think you are doing extremely well so far. You position is much better then mine in July of 44. You are still fighting a long way from the HI which is awesome.

What are your fuel and oil levels like in the HI? How much Heavy Industry do you have banked? And most importantly, how is supply in the Home Islands?

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/5/2016 4:29:30 PM   
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I think you are doing extremely well so far. You position is much better then mine in July of 44. You are still fighting a long way from the HI which is awesome.

What are your fuel and oil levels like in the HI? How much Heavy Industry do you have banked? And most importantly, how is supply in the Home Islands?

Wa



HI Fuel: 1,026,793 (84 days worth) + 325,007 fuel on Hokkaido (1805 days worth - emergency reserve for when things go wrong)
HI Oil: 967,676 (124 days worth)
HI Supply: 2,883,514

HI points: 2,564,554
Armaments points: 290,021
Vehicle Points: 1,660

If there's anything else feel free to ask!

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/5/2016 5:21:22 PM   
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What is your vehicle production and for how long has it been at that level?

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/5/2016 5:32:12 PM   
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What is your vehicle production and for how long has it been at that level?


90 factories.

Pools were at 20k about two months ago. The arrival of the 4th Tank Division, plus severe losses in Burma/Thailand, caused my nice surplus to collapse, but the decline has tailed off as of the past few weeks. No significant tank reinforcements are due until mid '45, so the pools can recover.

It's the price I've paid for putting my tank divisions on the frontline. They have suffered, and continue to suffer, quite badly but they're doing a good job of pushing the Allies back.

Once things in Thailand are stabilized they'll be sent to the rear to keep them out of harm. I have the notion to try and send them to Manchuria in late 1945 to help fight the Russians, but we will see.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/5/2016 5:55:59 PM   
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90 factories. Incredibly low, but it is working for you!

Pax recommends using the tank divisions against the Soviets....

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/5/2016 5:58:15 PM   
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I have the notion to try and send them to Manchuria in late 1945 to help fight the Russians, but we will see.


Lunch!!!

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/5/2016 6:43:20 PM   
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I have the notion to try and send them to Manchuria in late 1945 to help fight the Russians, but we will see.


Lunch!!!


Interestingly enough, the Soviet infantry squads have the poorer anti-armour values compared to other Allied 44 and 45 squads.

That said, the abundance of the big Soviet AFV's and the hoards of T34's might make up for it.

At this point in the war, everyone bar the Chinese can kill Japanese tanks in bunches. It's just a matter of who can kill the fewest.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/5/2016 6:57:25 PM   
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I have the notion to try and send them to Manchuria in late 1945 to help fight the Russians, but we will see.


Lunch!!!


Interestingly enough, the Soviet infantry squads have the poorer anti-armour values compared to other Allied 44 and 45 squads.

That said, the abundance of the big Soviet AFV's and the hoards of T34's might make up for it.

At this point in the war, everyone bar the Chinese can kill Japanese tanks in bunches. It's just a matter of who can kill the fewest.


Nothing you've seen compares to late 1945. I've just seen AI, but it's something.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/5/2016 8:22:22 PM   
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I have the notion to try and send them to Manchuria in late 1945 to help fight the Russians, but we will see.


Lunch!!!


Interestingly enough, the Soviet infantry squads have the poorer anti-armour values compared to other Allied 44 and 45 squads.

That said, the abundance of the big Soviet AFV's and the hoards of T34's might make up for it.

At this point in the war, everyone bar the Chinese can kill Japanese tanks in bunches. It's just a matter of who can kill the fewest.


Nothing you've seen compares to late 1945. I've just seen AI, but it's something.


I've made a couple of false starts into the Downfall scenario. That was bad.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/12/2016 12:47:15 PM   
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90 factories. Incredibly low, but it is working for you!

Pax recommends using the tank divisions against the Soviets....

Its the only way I've found to hold the Korean peninsula which I consider to be crucial. SOV have SO many AFV's ....

IJ essentially has 3 Tank Div's, I use two against the SOV's (rotating them on the front to hold) and then one in the HI as my tactical mobile reserve.

90 ARM will make it tough to keep the Tank Div's at full strength for very long ... you'll have to ignore building MotSupport and keep a couple of HQ's with each Tank Div ...

There are several tank Bde's, but for most of them there is no TOE upgrade so you can't ever get the Type 3 Med tank or the Type 2 Lgt Tank which are actually a decent tanks. Thus, those units will suffer horrendous losses when used.
With only 90 ARM you will have to use those like shotguns ... one and done as you won't be able to afford to build the replacements.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/12/2016 2:52:32 PM   
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90 factories. Incredibly low, but it is working for you!

Pax recommends using the tank divisions against the Soviets....

Its the only way I've found to hold the Korean peninsula which I consider to be crucial. SOV have SO many AFV's ....

IJ essentially has 3 Tank Div's, I use two against the SOV's (rotating them on the front to hold) and then one in the HI as my tactical mobile reserve.

90 ARM will make it tough to keep the Tank Div's at full strength for very long ... you'll have to ignore building MotSupport and keep a couple of HQ's with each Tank Div ...

There are several tank Bde's, but for most of them there is no TOE upgrade so you can't ever get the Type 3 Med tank or the Type 2 Lgt Tank which are actually a decent tanks. Thus, those units will suffer horrendous losses when used.
With only 90 ARM you will have to use those like shotguns ... one and done as you won't be able to afford to build the replacements.


I'm planning my first MLR to centre on the good terrain between the three urban hexes in Manchuria. There's not a chance in hell I can hold it, but I feel that the longer the Soviets are out of Korea the better.

The second MLR will be right down the middle of Korea. Excellent terrain, tiny frontline, easy SLOC to Japan proper. Hard to pull an Inchon as it's so close to the Home Islands.

I think my eventual strategy for dealing with the Russians will depend massively on the situation elsewhere on the map, and the strength of the IJN. If I still have the KB intact, I hopefully want to wipe out the Soviet naval force in the Sea of Japan as quickly as possible, and then perhaps follow it up with a strategic bombing foray along the Russian coastal bases to harvest VP's. IJ gets VP's for strat bombing Russia, right?

I've toyed with some other pipe-dream plans against the Russians, but none will likely ever see the light of day.

Regarding my tanks, I'll probably bump VEH up another 60 or so points to tide me over, and turn of motorized support. With China out of the war I'm flush with Army HQ's, so keeping units supported isn't a massive issue. My four tank divisions are constantly on the frontlines, so it makes sense. I'll probably keep the tank brigades in Japan for use as my mobile reserve. At any rate, I've a full year before the Soviets become a serious concern.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/12/2016 5:48:45 PM   
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"Points will only be scored by the Allies for bombing industry in mainland Japan, and by the
Japanese for bombing industry in North America, Australia, and/or Hawaii."

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/12/2016 11:33:25 PM   
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"Points will only be scored by the Allies for bombing industry in mainland Japan, and by the
Japanese for bombing industry in North America, Australia, and/or Hawaii."


Cheers. I had a .txt file with the various snippets from the manual that seem to crop up.

Might still firebomb the Russian aircraft centre. It's one base, and hitting the Sov airframe production might pay dividends.

Those that get to play with the Russians, what do their aircraft pools look like come '45?

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/13/2016 1:55:36 AM   
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SOV AC are pretty lousy until '45. Then they get a fair number of pretty good planes. LB's aren't too strong, unlike the USA, but they have good fighters. And a lot of them. If the allied player has been paying attention to pilots, the SOV will have tons of 70 exp pilots for all types.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/13/2016 5:23:08 PM   
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SOV AC are pretty lousy until '45. Then they get a fair number of pretty good planes. LB's aren't too strong, unlike the USA, but they have good fighters. And a lot of them. If the allied player has been paying attention to pilots, the SOV will have tons of 70 exp pilots for all types.


My memory of playing them in AI was the air forces were an afterthought for my ops. The IL tank killers were everywhere, the fighters were average versus Japanese 3rd gen, but the Red Army has some fearsome AA units (AA Divisions if you can imagine.) And the armor and motor-rifle divisions are so hairy, and scary fast, that they pretty much shrugged off the AI Japanese air effort. A human would do better of course, but any idea you can stop the Soviets from the air should be left behind.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/14/2016 10:30:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

SOV AC are pretty lousy until '45. Then they get a fair number of pretty good planes. LB's aren't too strong, unlike the USA, but they have good fighters. And a lot of them. If the allied player has been paying attention to pilots, the SOV will have tons of 70 exp pilots for all types.


The real weakness on the Allied side is the limited production of airframes. I'll need to check what the Soviets get in addition to their on-map production. Firebombing their factories won't stop the fall of Manchuria, but it might help out afterwards.

EDIT: Idea scrubbed. 90% of SOV airframes arrive via replacement pool.


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

SOV AC are pretty lousy until '45. Then they get a fair number of pretty good planes. LB's aren't too strong, unlike the USA, but they have good fighters. And a lot of them. If the allied player has been paying attention to pilots, the SOV will have tons of 70 exp pilots for all types.


My memory of playing them in AI was the air forces were an afterthought for my ops. The IL tank killers were everywhere, the fighters were average versus Japanese 3rd gen, but the Red Army has some fearsome AA units (AA Divisions if you can imagine.) And the armor and motor-rifle divisions are so hairy, and scary fast, that they pretty much shrugged off the AI Japanese air effort. A human would do better of course, but any idea you can stop the Soviets from the air should be left behind.



Oh, there's no chance of stopping the Soviets. My view is that it will be a case of minimizing VP loss and maximizing the time taken to wipe me out in Manchuria. Soviet planes are VP's. Ground bombing attacks force units out of move mode, and that is time.

Part of that is maximizing the two minor advantages Japan has - superior air power and naval superiority. Considering that most of my slow battleship force is down for the next year or so for repairs, I may even have a strong bombardment group left by that point to actually do some good. Hopefully.

My August '45 strategy is one of conservation in that the Soviets will find it easy to take Japanese bases but not to kill Japanese units. My thinking is that every Soviet unit engaged in Manchuria/Korea is one that isn't ready for being used against the Home Islands. The Russians can't redeploy their full strength so long as the Japanese in Manchuria/Korea. The crap stuff will be sent to the cities to die behind heavy forts or in good terrain, the good stuff will hole up along the 38th parallel and pray for a speedy end to the war.

The same strategy is essentially what I intend to apply elsewhere as well. Fortress Shanghai and Canton for China, Fortress Manila on Luzon. By this point in the war, weeks and months matter...

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/17/2016 6:52:07 PM   
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Mini Update seeing as I'm waiting on a turn that I hope is important.

A big stack of Chinese have wandered out of the woods in North-West Vietnam after what must have been one long trek and are spotted by a unit marching to Luangprabang. I ask Loka if he put Mao in charge for the irony of it all, but aparently not. I'm confused as to why the Vietnamese garrison units haven't triggered at the Chinese crossing the border and a bit bemused that so many Chinese went undetected for so long, but c'est la guerre.

I'm gathering five brigades and a regiment in Hanoi to form Kampfgruppe Vietnam to get rid of the Chinese interlopers. These units were earmarked for Paoshan or Burma, and I've plenty of units recuperating in Japan to send to Vietnam in a pinch. I've flown some training squadrons of Judy's in theatre for some on-the-job training.

My thoughts on this latest turn for the SEA theatre is that it's more VP's. Things in Central Thailand seem to have stabilized and I'm pulling battered units off the line and replacing them with fresh units. I hope to block hexsides off to maximize the terrain advantage.



Attached are my top pilots. No real exceptional pilots among them, but such is my doctrine. I'll take a squadron of above average pilots over an average squadron with a couple of super-aces. I'm hurting somewhat for trained fighter pilots for the IJN, as they tend to bear the brunt of the fighting, but the resized fighter squadrons on training duty churn out a good number in a quick time. All IJA pools are great.



As a side note, I've found that the low-layered CAP approach is paying off big dividends in fighting off the P-47 sweeps. While it's not always a Japanese victory, I've noticed that the combats no longer turn into the one-sided slaughters that can develop when fighting up high. I'm not really sure what the trick seems to be, but fighting under 15k seems to be the general theme of things.


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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/17/2016 7:35:08 PM   
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A big stack of Chinese have wandered out of the woods in North-West Vietnam after what must have been one long trek and are spotted by a unit marching to Luangprabang. I ask Loka if he put Mao in charge for the irony of it all, but aparently not. I'm confused as to why the Vietnamese garrison units haven't triggered at the Chinese crossing the border and a bit bemused that so many Chinese went undetected for so long, but c'est la guerre.


I had in my head that this only applied in 1942 (China incursion into Indo-China). Not sure where it came from, or if it is real as the manual doesn't mention this.
Though on the screen shot, they look more brown - are they Commonwealth?

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/19/2016 11:55:49 AM   
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August 1st to August 6th, 1944

What a turn.

North Pacific

Still nothing going on up here.

Central Pacific

The Allied bombing of my abandoned bases continues. Ponape is pretty much suppressed. I did get a nice result when a infantry division fragment was landed on a dot hex that had a naval guard unit on it - the shock attack messed the American unit up nicely.

South-West Pacific

This, in truth, was the main show. I had the inclination that the Allies were moving on past Biak from the large quantity of shipping that was amassing down the New Guinea coast, so I moved everything I could into a position to be ready to strike back.

The Allies came ashore at Sansapor on August 5th, with the KB a days sail away and a IJN CL force ready to intervene with the landings. August 6th saw the Allies land at Sorong as well, and that's when the Japanese counterstrike came together.

The night phase saw little combat, but the numerous IJN floatplanes did a great job in lighting up the Allied ships for all to see. Daybreak saw what every Japanese player wants to see - a surface engagement between Japanese warships and loaded Allied transports.

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ay Time Surface Combat, near Sansapor at 83,107, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Nagara, Shell hits 5 lost a 14cm gun
CL Abukuma, Shell hits 4 lost a 14cm gun
DD Hatsuharu, Shell hits 9, on fire most of these hits were from APAs! 50 sys damage
DD Nenohi, Shell hits 4

Allied Ships
DD Robinson, Shell hits 1
DD Cassin Young, Shell hits 2, on fire
DE Lovering, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DE Lyman, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
APA Frederick Funston, Shell hits 5, on fire
APA James O'Hara, Shell hits 4, on fire
APA John Land, Shell hits 6, heavy fires
APA Winged Arrow, Shell hits 5
APA Herald of Morning, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA Storm King, Shell hits 4
APA Cavalier, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
APA Du Page, Shell hits 2
APA Leon, Shell hits 6, on fire
LSV Catskill, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
LSD Oak Hill, Shell hits 4, heavy fires

Allied ground losses:
556 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 67 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 22 (3 destroyed, 19 disabled)


Their ammo spent, the IJN light cruisers retired, getting clean away from numerous Allied combat ships parked at Sorong. I have two destroyer squadrons that have yet to be sent in to harass the landing.

With the surface ships of the IJN having made an important contribution, it was the turn of the IJN pilots to do their bit. There were a few fragmented strikes during the day, so I will focus on the main combats.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 82,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 8
A6M5b Zero x 92
B6N2 Jill x 38
B7A2 Grace x 33
D4Y3 Judy x 105

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 4
Thunderbolt I x 2
Kittyhawk IV x 2
P-38J Lightning x 1
P-40K Warhawk x 3
FM-2 Wildcat x 126
F4U-1A Corsair x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 7 destroyed, 9 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
B7A2 Grace: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 21 destroyed, 22 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 4 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 4 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Thetis Bay
CVE Sargent Bay, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage ammo storage explosion
CVE Steamer Bay, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage fuel storage explosion
CVE Shipley Bay, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CVE Sitkoh Bay, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Mobile
DD Sigourney
DE Fair
DE LeHardy
DD Yarnall
CVE Petrof Bay, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CVE Shamrock Bay, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
DD Haggard
AKA Jupiter, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AKA Almaack, Torpedo hits 1


Not to be outdone, the IJA decide to get in on the action. Escorts or not, a squadron of Helen's decide that fighting spirit is sufficent to overcome CAP. Despite this, they manage to break through and actually score a hit. I had intended for this squadron to be used as a throwaway attack to draw Allied CAP up high, but the fact that they got through is great.



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 82,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 15

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 1
Thunderbolt I x 1
Kittyhawk IV x 1
P-38J Lightning x 1
P-40K Warhawk x 2
FM-2 Wildcat x 74
F4U-1A Corsair x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 10 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVE Shipley Bay, on fire
CVE Petrof Bay, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire, heavy damage x2 ammo storage explosion
CVE Thetis Bay


Later in the morning, a few aircraft from the KB dispatch two transports wounded in the mornings surface action while some dive bombers hit small craft left without any air cover.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Sansapor at 84,107

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 8
B7A2 Grace x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 5 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
APA Cavalier, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA James O'Hara, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires

Allied ground losses:
89 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Morning Air attack on TF, near Sansapor at 83,107

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y3 Judy x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y3 Judy: 2 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
LST-338, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
LST-122, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
AM Gladstone, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
LST-343, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC-751, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
LST-350, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires



The afternoon sees further strikes on the Allied task force, with its CAP much diminished from earlier in the day. Pressing the advantage, the IJN flyers put more hurt on the Allied escort carriers.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 82,107

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 14
A6M5b Zero x 58
B6N2 Jill x 13
B7A2 Grace x 15
D4Y3 Judy x 43

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 12
Thunderbolt I x 5
Kittyhawk IV x 4
P-38J Lightning x 4
P-40K Warhawk x 8
FM-2 Wildcat x 34
F4U-1A Corsair x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 5 destroyed
A6M5b Zero: 16 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 2 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 4 destroyed, 12 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Thetis Bay, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Shipley Bay, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CVE Petrof Bay, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Levy
DE Bangust, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DE Sanders, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DE Acree


Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 82,107

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 46
B7A2 Grace x 15
D4Y3 Judy x 41

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 9
Thunderbolt I x 2
P-38J Lightning x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 3
FM-2 Wildcat x 12
F4U-1A Corsair x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 4 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 5 destroyed, 6 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y3 Judy: 10 destroyed, 8 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Thetis Bay, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Lardner
DD McCord
DD Bennett
APA Feland
CL Leander
DD Haggard
DD Yarnall
DD Rowe, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DE Levy
DD Erben
DD Perkins
APA Fuller, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Bitterly disappointed this strike didn't perform better. Bombs wasted on destroyers when there were APA's to hit!


Again, not to be outdone, IJA pilots, with the firm belief that Japanese fighting spirit is sufficent to win victories, attack a task force north of Biak.

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fternoon Air attack on TF, near Manokwari at 85,109

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 19

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 12 destroyed
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AK Phobos, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Fat Albert, Kamikaze hits 1
AK Caelum, Kamikaze hits 4, on fire, heavy damage Poor target selection, but nearly 25% hit rate with kamis isn't bad!

Allied ground losses:
78 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


In the ground combat phase, I get a good look at what the Allies have ashore:

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Ground combat at Sorong (82,107)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5049 troops, 51 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 253

Defending force 1820 troops, 37 guns, 57 vehicles, Assault Value = 55

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Assaulting units:
2nd Amphibious Brigade
4th Raiding Rgt /1
18th JAAF AF Bn
26th JAAF Base Force
46th JNAF AF Unit
19th JAAF Base Force
27th Special Base Force
77th Field AA Battalion
209th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units: I bet the bulk of Allied troops intended for here were mauled in the morning surface engagement.
34th Combat Engineer Regiment
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
131st Field Artillery Battalion


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Ground combat at Sansapor (83,107)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13296 troops, 244 guns, 246 vehicles, Assault Value = 558

Defending force 9721 troops, 109 guns, 48 vehicles, Assault Value = 198

Allied adjusted assault: 140

Japanese adjusted defense: 115

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4) I doubt I can hold - supply is critical. IJN may intervene to stymie the Allies.

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
245 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Allied ground losses:
295 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 33 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
27th Infantry Division
24th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
112th Cavalry Regiment

Defending units:
51st Ind.Mixed Brigade
17th Ind.Mixed Regiment
56th Construction Battalion
16th Field AF Construction Battalion
29th Fld AA Gun Co
13th Field AF Construction Battalion
37th JNAF AF Unit


And that concludes day one of the Battle of Sorong. More details will follow on my future plans in this theatre.

DEI

Lots of Allied sweeps here to distract my attention from the events around Sorong. I'm preparing a resupply mission for Timor that will require the KB, but as events elsewhere require the KB, it's on hold for now.

Thailand/Vietnam

The Allies land at a few dot hexes that I've left ungarrisoned with Chindits. As there's the Chinese wandering around Vietnam, this does start to worry me. I have the troops to deal with it, but it's an unwelcome distraction. The 33rd Division, railing through the open terrain of Thailand, gets absolutely smashed by a big B-29 raid. Painful.

More details to follow, hopefully with pictures, later today.

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