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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/16/2014 11:47:50 PM

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At this stage he just does not have the qualitative superiority to bull Japanese troops out of a position. Six months will change that.

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/17/2014 5:22:41 AM

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Six months is all i need.
The plan is to stay that far in India untill Jan 1943, then we'll retire to Ceylon (which is getting fortified now) and to Burma.

Same for Oz. We will move back from Western Oz in few months. Already prepping the new defensive line around Port Hedland/Koepang

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/17/2014 5:24:15 AM

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Now what will Erik do at Hyderabad? Will he try to attack? Will he retire back?Will he switch to some easier targets?

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/17/2014 8:00:00 AM

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Now what will Erik do at Hyderabad? Will he try to attack? Will he retire back?Will he switch to some easier targets?

Considering he's come this far and its only 2x terrain I think Erik will go for the attack. But even if it fails he'll probably go for another target anyway. Be sure to keep a large reserve force if he disengages.

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/17/2014 10:33:08 AM

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Now what will Erik do at Hyderabad? Will he try to attack? Will he retire back?Will he switch to some easier targets?

Considering he's come this far and its only 2x terrain I think Erik will go for the attack. But even if it fails he'll probably go for another target anyway. Be sure to keep a large reserve force if he disengages.

If he wants to have a single chance to dislodge 1200 Japanese AVs, he will need all the forces present at the moment at Hyderabad. 2 to 1 in terms of AVs isn't much. It is also true that 2 out of the 3 IDs I have there have a very low exp (rebuilt IDs destroyed during the battle of Sian), but he cannot know it...
However I do hope he's going to attack. I think he'll be in deep trouble if he does... but we'll see soon enough.

If he disengage, yes, i'll reposition my units and will build back a strategic reserve (at the moment I have 4 IDs in that part of India, all of them committed at Hyderabad... so I need to relocate them)

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/17/2014 12:47:22 PM

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A screenshot of the present allied offensive at Hyderabad

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/17/2014 4:00:48 PM

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The allies don't attack at Hyderabad, nor they move back. Don't understand...

in 2 days my units will move to the hex NW of the city, thus threatening the allied advanced position.
One of the 3 IDs I have in the city will be out of town in 2 days, reinforcing the flanking position on my left.
Will risk having only 800 AVs in town... let's see if it pays off

Very quiet everywhere else...

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/17/2014 11:47:57 PM

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in 2 days my units will move to the hex NW of the city, thus threatening the allied advanced position.
One of the 3 IDs I have in the city will be out of town in 2 days, reinforcing the flanking position on my left.
Will risk having only 800 AVs in town... let's see if it pays off

What do you really gain by doing this? Sure the Allied LCUs will be stuck in Hyderbad but you said they aren't moving anyway. Best case after a few weeks the Allies bring reserves and force you to fall back and you do so unmolested because you have no chance of actually defeating the Hyderabad stack. On the other hand, by splitting your LCUs you are handing an opportunity to the Allies to defeat your units in detail which could severely compromise your Indian holdings. And I bet that he is waiting in Hyderbad for reinforcements which are probably on the way so it's even more risky. There is no reason to add more risk to the situation which is getting more and more tenuous every day as the Allies grow in strength.

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/19/2014 5:16:45 AM

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quote:

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quote:

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in 2 days my units will move to the hex NW of the city, thus threatening the allied advanced position.
One of the 3 IDs I have in the city will be out of town in 2 days, reinforcing the flanking position on my left.
Will risk having only 800 AVs in town... let's see if it pays off

What do you really gain by doing this? Sure the Allied LCUs will be stuck in Hyderbad but you said they aren't moving anyway. Best case after a few weeks the Allies bring reserves and force you to fall back and you do so unmolested because you have no chance of actually defeating the Hyderabad stack. On the other hand, by splitting your LCUs you are handing an opportunity to the Allies to defeat your units in detail which could severely compromise your Indian holdings. And I bet that he is waiting in Hyderbad for reinforcements which are probably on the way so it's even more risky. There is no reason to add more risk to the situation which is getting more and more tenuous every day as the Allies grow in strength.

Your considerations are all wise and all make very much sense.
The only thing i need to consider is that we are still in 1942, when the allies aren't that strong at all, even in a place like India.
If i ever get a chance of inflicting a good loss to the allied army, that chance is now or never.
I will do my best.

August 20-21, 1942

The allies keep on making reconing bombardments at Hyderabad. Not very effective at the moment. Just few squads disabled on both sides. I had kept my 36th ID moving west and tomorrow it should be out of the town...so tomorrow he could attack facing only 2 divisions...i just hope he doesn't smell the right timing and miss the opportunity.
100K supplies are delivered in these days at Madras and Calcutta, in order to support the expensive indian campaign. Strategically, i now see the flaw of the whole project... i've spent way too many supplies for conquering and holding India in the last 8 months...still don't know if the delay caused to the allied offensive in CBI will be worth this expenditure...probably not.

In front of Patna another storm is rising. Not less than 400 planes are spotted in the allied bases (Allahlabad, Gorkapur etc). Intense air recon shows the allied grown insterest for the Assam basin.
We've optimized as best as we could the defences at Patna and Ranchi. More AA units have arrived in the last days and the CAP is now a mix of A6M3, KI-44a and KI-43 IIb. The best i can field

A6M5 is being produced at a great rate. 400 planes/monthly. Should be able to equip most of my LBA within the next month.

CHINA: we're ready to launch another attack south of Chikkiang.

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/19/2014 9:52:15 AM

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The only thing i need to consider is that we are still in 1942, when the allies aren't that strong at all, even in a place like India.

Keep in mind he has some pretty good units there. 2 of those divisions are among the best Allied units in the game. Don't know much about devices but these are not the America Army divisions of 1942 so they do have he punch, experience and morale

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/19/2014 10:21:21 AM

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i've spent way too many supplies for conquering and holding India in the last 8 months...still don't know if the delay caused to the allied offensive in CBI will be worth this expenditure...probably not.

Your unfortune in China makes it look worse I suppose. Suddenly all those troops and planes seem like they could have been so much more useful in busting the Chinese lines to reduce China to the inner plains, from which you know there isn't much to fear until very very late in the game...

What would you differently if you were to start again ?

I would like to see, just for fun, a player go for an all in Australia strategy. Here the goal wouldn't be to hold anything on the east coast for long, but really just to destroy troops and wreck industry. not strategically sound I suppose, but as a spectator...

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/19/2014 2:38:35 PM

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One day too short... damn!

My left wing west of Hyderabad moved into the enemy's controlled hex NW of the city. Yesterday there was only a small cav unit defending that hex. The 21st ID, supported by some heavy artillery, tried a shock attack, in order to trap the enemy's army at Hyderabad.
Erik spotted the danger and immediately sent 3 tank units back from Hyderabad (major road, so only one day travel for the tanks).
In a +3 terrain, I knew I had only a small chance...but an attempt was mandatory.
The Japanese division shock attacked and got mauled by the enemy tanks arrived just in time. Now a counterattack is possible...and the risk is high.
In the meanwhile 4 Japanese IDs are arriving at Hyderabad, while Erik seems to be moving back the whole stack... he risked a bit here eh!?

At the same time Erik LRCAPped and sweeped his own hex (didn't know it was possible to sweep own controlled hex!), finding thin air, while a 27 A6M3s sentai of mine countersweeped. 7-7 the odds. Not that good this time.

so now I need to save my 21st ID... let's see what happens. I have the 36th ID 4 days from that contested hex... will he push me out?

Hyderabad is more than safe anyway. With 4 more divisions there's no risk...

Planned a major shock attack south of Chikkiang for tomorrow...finger crossed

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/19/2014 2:41:24 PM

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quote:

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i've spent way too many supplies for conquering and holding India in the last 8 months...still don't know if the delay caused to the allied offensive in CBI will be worth this expenditure...probably not.

Your unfortune in China makes it look worse I suppose. Suddenly all those troops and planes seem like they could have been so much more useful in busting the Chinese lines to reduce China to the inner plains, from which you know there isn't much to fear until very very late in the game...

What would you differently if you were to start again ?

I would like to see, just for fun, a player go for an all in Australia strategy. Here the goal wouldn't be to hold anything on the east coast for long, but really just to destroy troops and wreck industry. not strategically sound I suppose, but as a spectator...

The Battle of Sian (where japan lost more than 60,000 men in early feb 1942) was a major turning point in the war.
We were already deeply involved in india and I couldn't just unplug there and push in China...the damage was already done...better to proceed and follow the plan...

However yes, probably now I'd go for a very limited offensive in India (Assam) and concentrate a lot more against China in the first 3 months...

Now I really risk of having a SUPER China to fight against starting from 1943...which could make the whole pacific front completely irrelevant...scary

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/19/2014 4:11:39 PM

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i've spent way too many supplies for conquering and holding India in the last 8 months...still don't know if the delay caused to the allied offensive in CBI will be worth this expenditure...probably not.

Your unfortune in China makes it look worse I suppose. Suddenly all those troops and planes seem like they could have been so much more useful in busting the Chinese lines to reduce China to the inner plains, from which you know there isn't much to fear until very very late in the game...

What would you differently if you were to start again ?

I would like to see, just for fun, a player go for an all in Australia strategy. Here the goal wouldn't be to hold anything on the east coast for long, but really just to destroy troops and wreck industry. not strategically sound I suppose, but as a spectator...

The Battle of Sian (where japan lost more than 60,000 men in early feb 1942) was a major turning point in the war.
We were already deeply involved in india and I couldn't just unplug there and push in China...the damage was already done...better to proceed and follow the plan...

However yes, probably now I'd go for a very limited offensive in India (Assam) and concentrate a lot more against China in the first 3 months...

Now I really risk of having a SUPER China to fight against starting from 1943...which could make the whole pacific front completely irrelevant...scary

Such a "super" China still requires supply.

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/19/2014 4:51:03 PM

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Such a "super" China still requires supply.

By invading India you basically preclude a "super" China by means of supply. They might be stout on defense but that's it. Which IMO is a very good reason to invade India.

That being said, even a "super" China isn't that super. I've managed to take the offensive as China in early 1942 but the best you can really hope for is to catch the Japanese napping and rout a brigade or two in the open plains. And this is only possible b/c my opponent is being careless.

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/20/2014 10:14:54 AM

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August 23, 1942

INDIA: The enemy's stack at Hyderabad is moving back to cover the hex where we tried a failed shock attack. Thank God Erik didn't counterattack so we could recover a bit of fatigue and distruction. The 21st ID that tried the shock has 50% of its squads disabled... not good. His units will sure arrive sooner than my reinforcements. I expect a countrattack tomorrow or the day after.
The enemy 4Es arrived over Warangal (SE of Hyderabad) and plastered the base. Usual combo of Sweeps+LRCAP by Erik. The Flak take out 2 fortresses at least.
Hyderabad is safe now with 2 more IDs just arrived. Now i need to save the 21st ID....
I am bit confused in India now. Don't really know how much is wise to invest in terms of troops in order to keep this deep defense on two different fronts (Madras-Hyderabad and Calcutta-Patna basin)...Supply expenditure is really high

Heavy recon at Ansalon, Ranchi, Jamespur in the Calcutta basin.

CHINA: Another failed shock attack. Despite the heavy air bombings (more than 250 bombers involved) and the use of 7 tank regiments, along with the best possible artillery at my disposal, it seems to be just impossible to breackthrough south of Chikkiang. Not even close to a 1-1 result... and he always has the chance to reinforce faster than me... he simply has too many supplies and i can't burn enough of them.

SOPAC: my CVs made a trip to the Solomons, but got spotted...

. The surprise is gone and am moving back again to the shadows...

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/20/2014 12:55:10 PM

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In late 42 the Allies have close to 4000 AV. It may not be quality troops but I almost surrounded and destroyed a whole army of NJP's troops in 42.

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/20/2014 2:09:05 PM

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August 25, 1942

Getting tense now...

In CHINA: The attack fails again... and he's already reinforcing....My tank regiments are shattered:-(

In INDIA:... well, he attacked...with 1500 AVs... the 21st ID held the line...but it's now almost shattered... don't think it will last another attack. The 36th ID is arriving, but it's doubtfull it could really help against those odds... made a huge mistake here... oh well...

Ground combat at 78,51 (near Chihkiang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 32627 troops, 420 guns, 992 vehicles, Assault Value = 1084

Defending force 40217 troops, 200 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 874

Japanese adjusted assault: 620

Allied adjusted defense: 1099

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
308 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 63 (1 destroyed, 62 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1566 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 135 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 31 (2 destroyed, 29 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Tank Regiment
19th Tank Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
18th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
39th Division
9th Tank Regiment
40th Division
11th Tank Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
13th Army
4th Mortar Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

Defending units:
9th Prov Chinese Corps
44th Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
65th Chinese Corps
86th Chinese Corps

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Ground combat at 38,31 (near Hyderabad)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 48777 troops, 810 guns, 1065 vehicles, Assault Value = 1579

Defending force 13521 troops, 271 guns, 199 vehicles, Assault Value = 329

Allied adjusted assault: 627

Japanese adjusted defense: 1144

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
655 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 113 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 79 (10 destroyed, 69 disabled)
Vehicles lost 68 (17 destroyed, 51 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
492 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 105 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 44 disabled
Guns lost 22 (4 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Vehicles lost 78 (8 destroyed, 70 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
70th British Division
7th Armoured Brigade
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
7th Australian Division
44th Cavalry Regiment
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
2nd British Division
98th Coast AA Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
260th Coast AA Regiment
251st Coast AA Regiment
64th Coast AA Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
85th British AT Gun Regiment

Defending units:
21st Division
14th Tank Regiment
45th Ind.AA Gun Co
50th Field AA Battalion
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
45th Field AA Battalion
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
26th Fld AA Gun Co
31st Fld AA Gun Co
4th Air Defense AA Regiment
9th RF Gun Battalion

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/20/2014 2:17:35 PM

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Ouch! I guess hanging out in the jungle with a relatively short lines, not using lots of supply, has its attraction right about now. Boring, but safer...

You had planned on using those troops to defend and die at Madras right?

Overall, I think you need to re-examine your entire defense of India. I just don't see what it gets you.

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/20/2014 3:14:51 PM

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Ouch! I guess hanging out in the jungle with a relatively short lines, not using lots of supply, has its attraction right about now. Boring, but safer...

You had planned on using those troops to defend and die at Madras right?

Overall, I think you need to re-examine your entire defense of India. I just don't see what it gets you.

Well, time for one thing. The whole Japanese game (save for a stab at auto vicotry) is to keep the Allies away from the Home Island for as long as possible.

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RE: Back from vacations... - 9/20/2014 3:29:01 PM

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But will it gain him time? And at what cost in supplies? I guess we will find out

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Indian fightings - 9/21/2014 9:19:55 AM

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August 26-27, 1942

Tense moments...

INDIA: Erik made a mistake! He sent most of his army that was sieging Hyderabad back to the contsted hex, where the 21st ID was holding that thin line (now supported by the 36th ID that managed to arrive thanks to the pause the allies gave us). At Hyderabad only 12 units were spotted on the 26th, so i decided to attack. Unfortunately they don't have any exit door, so they coulnd't retreat.... 5 japanese IDs attacked (with the 48th on reserve) against only 2 small divisions (the 6th Aus moved back to safety just this turn)... a solid 5-1 with the enemy in really bad contitions... now it's a rush for safety for the allies here.... will they be able to get out before getting mauled?
And what about the 21st and 36th Japanese IDs? Will they be able to stand another attack by the allies (that now have massed 6 divisions against them)?

Tense...really tense. But i'm glad to give Erik a couple of bloody noses here if i can, just to let him understand that the japanese army is far from being beaten at this stage!

CHINA: Erik Overstacked the hex south of Chikkiang, sending in a brand new and fresh corp before moving out the battered ones...mistake! The Chinese finally start to suffer from lack of supplies (due to overstacking) and the japanese managed to inflict a couple of sound defeats (two 1-1 in a row, but with too many casualities to be considered a draw). We're very close to breaking through now!

Ground combat at 78,51 (near Chihkiang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 32103 troops, 420 guns, 989 vehicles, Assault Value = 1012

Defending force 45677 troops, 208 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 999

Japanese adjusted assault: 745

Allied adjusted defense: 436

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
189 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 41 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 71 (6 destroyed, 65 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1377 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 166 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 32 (1 destroyed, 31 disabled)

Assaulting units:
9th Tank Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
18th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
39th Division
3rd Tank Regiment
19th Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
40th Division
11th Tank Regiment
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
13th Army
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
4th Mortar Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

Defending units:
31st Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
65th Chinese Corps
86th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps

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Ground combat at Hyderabad (39,32)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 76304 troops, 876 guns, 439 vehicles, Assault Value = 2675

Defending force 22630 troops, 307 guns, 358 vehicles, Assault Value = 527

Japanese adjusted assault: 2566

Allied adjusted defense: 503

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
681 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 93 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1748 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 189 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 27 disabled
Guns lost 72 (9 destroyed, 63 disabled)
Vehicles lost 26 (1 destroyed, 25 disabled)

Assaulting units:
48th Division
41st Division
5th Division
8th Division
24th Ind Engineer Regiment
38th Division
2nd Division
2nd RF Gun Battalion
25th Army
Southern Army
15th Army
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
13th Ind.AA Gun Co
1st Art.Mortar Regiment
11th Ind.AA Gun Co
32nd Ind.AA Gun Co
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
26th JAAF AF Bn
40th Field AA Battalion
20th AA Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
30th Fld AA Gun Co
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion
21st Air Defense AA Regiment
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Area Army
22nd Air Defense AA Regiment
8th JAAF Base Force
2nd Mortar Battalion
11th Air Fleet
106th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
7th Indian Division
Waziristan Division
65th Coast AA Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
III Indian Corps
2/1st Med Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
77th Coast AA Regiment
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment

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Indian fightings - 9/21/2014 9:23:41 AM

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There doesn't seem to be an arrow moving down from the hex NW of Hyderabad south...so only the 4 tank units he has there could arrive next turn at Hyderabad to save the isolated III Indian Corp... the Waristan ID seems to be in reserve mode moving NW, so possibly tomorrow it will be out of the pocket...but the 7th Indian ID, if i am not mistaken, is in combat mode, so it will need at least 2 more turns to move out...tomorrow we'll try again...let's see what we will be able to grab. The 48th ID will join the attack

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RE: Indian fightings - 9/21/2014 1:24:00 PM

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Can't wait to see what happens next turn... if i manage to smash 2 full allied divisions, i could really slow him down in India and gain some more time

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RE: Indian fightings - 9/21/2014 2:16:48 PM

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Great turnaround! I thought your goose was cooked...I guess I am a glass half empty kind of guy!

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RE: Indian fightings - 9/21/2014 2:23:08 PM

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What a sudden reversal of fortune. Banzai!

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RE: Indian fightings - 9/21/2014 3:20:37 PM

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Bugger!

Aug 28, 1942

The III Indian Corp managed to slip through my fingers...GRRRR... and then the rest of the allied Army, way overstacked, attacked the 21st and the 36th IDs... my guys did a wonderfull job, inflicting a huge amount of losses to the allies and, above all, holding the ground very well. Now the 2nd Area Army HQ and the 5th ID, along with some heavy artillery units, are marching to open a direct route to Hyderabad for the friendly units stuck there in front of 90,000 enemies... really tense!

In China we managed another 1-1... can't seem to be able to break the enemy lines. Erik keeps on pouring in fresh units and, despite the heavy losses, the Chinese hold...

Ground combat at 38,31 (near Hyderabad)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 63324 troops, 1086 guns, 1407 vehicles, Assault Value = 2147

Defending force 25293 troops, 365 guns, 219 vehicles, Assault Value = 638

Allied adjusted assault: 734

Japanese adjusted defense: 1903

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
772 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 83 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 78 (3 destroyed, 75 disabled)
Vehicles lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2038 casualties reported
Squads: 38 destroyed, 88 disabled
Non Combat: 65 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 16 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 36 (9 destroyed, 27 disabled)
Vehicles lost 198 (115 destroyed, 83 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
44th Cavalry Regiment
2nd British Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
6th Australian Division
70th British Division
762nd Tank Battalion
7th Indian Division
7th Australian Division
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
7th Armoured Brigade
Waziristan Division
260th Coast AA Regiment
251st Coast AA Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
64th Coast AA Regiment
77th Coast AA Regiment
65th Coast AA Regiment
98th Coast AA Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/1st Med Regiment
85th British AT Gun Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
III Indian Corps
2/11th Field Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment

Defending units:
36th Division
21st Division
14th Tank Regiment
31st Fld AA Gun Co
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
50th Field AA Battalion
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
26th Fld AA Gun Co
4th Air Defense AA Regiment
45th Ind.AA Gun Co
45th Field AA Battalion
9th RF Gun Battalion

Ground combat at 78,51 (near Chihkiang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 31703 troops, 420 guns, 984 vehicles, Assault Value = 976

Defending force 39742 troops, 195 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1029

Japanese adjusted assault: 542

Allied adjusted defense: 466

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
208 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 39 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 57 (7 destroyed, 50 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1025 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 110 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Assaulting units:
13th Tank Regiment
40th Division
12th Tank Regiment
19th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
18th Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
39th Division
11th Tank Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
4th Mortar Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
13th Army
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

Defending units:
86th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
31st Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps

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RE: Indian fightings - 9/22/2014 7:02:36 AM

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August 29, 1942

INDIA: Erik's stack doesn't attack and the arrows indicate that he's moving out (NW) of the contested hex. My saving expedition is one day from reaching the 21st and 36th IDs and create a safety corridor to get back to Hyderabad safely.
All in all, the battle for Hyderabad was a draw. I didn't lure erik into attacking the town, nor I managed to trap him there. At the same time, we mauled two of his divisions and destroyed the 44th Cav Regiment. The results are probably more important under a psychological point of view, cause we've shown Erik we can react fast and that the Japanese IDs are far from being underpowered, yet.
The bad news is that we have called in all our reserves and now the surprise is gone. Also we've been spending way too many supplies in the last month of battles here.
Thirdly, now that he has seen that Hyderabad is a tough nut to crack he may be choosing another target (s), which isn't what I wanted... I really preferred a target fixation complex by my opponent

Skirmishes in the air near Hyderabad too in the last days. We're trading 1-1 against P-40Es... which is good cause the more I deplete his pools, the less he'll be able to sustain prolonged air campaigns...

Everything is quiet in front of Patna....

CHINA: bad news. After 3 1-1 in a row our depleted units finally got a 1-2 and are now trashed again. Erik keeps on sending in fresh corps and so we've lost the momentum... need to start all over once again

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RE: Indian fightings - 9/22/2014 7:20:49 AM

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In Sept 1942 something different for me will happen.
The KI-61a will enter into production.
I admit, with shame, that I've never seen this plane fighting. Never.
Only have 2 sentais that can be equipped with this bird.
With Symon's latest modifications, I consider this plane slightly worse than the Oscar IIb, which is by now my major IJA fighter. Only in speed and durability the Ki-61a is superior, but I won't regret it, cause the two fighter sentais that can upgrade are presently equipped with Nates, so everything is better than a Nate

Then we'll have one more sentai arriving in 80 days that will be upgrading to KI-61b.

The KI-61 line will be used for point defence of big bases, like Calcutta or Madras (backed up by the KI-45a), so to let the SR=1 fighters to be based entirely in front line bases.

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RE: Indian fightings - 9/22/2014 11:12:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

In Sept 1942 something different for me will happen.
The KI-61a will enter into production.
I admit, with shame, that I've never seen this plane fighting. Never.

I have a couple of Sentai of the Ki-61a up and running in my game. For me, it was the first armored fighter (IJAAF) I got (and this in a pdu on, realistic r&d off game

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You are correct about its use...spot defense of big bases. But with a rail line I wouldn't feel bad about flying them in to defend Hyderbad either -- I think you will like what they can do there if only for a day or two.

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