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RE: 1943! - 1/15/2015 6:25:09 PM

Sangeli

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ORIGINAL: Sangeli
On the other hand, I don't see why you are planning on voluntarily giving up the 3x terrain between Chittagong and Akyab. Make the Allies pay for every inch of that jungle. It's not like your army is so stretched or depleted that you can't afford to fight in a forward position like that in good terrain.

He is not, his line of defense goes thru the jungle rough terrain, and leave the jungle in front. He may also fight, but not in depth in those jungle hexes.

Hmmm maybe your right. It's hard for me to tell the difference between jungle and jungle + rough from a map alone but I guess if you look close enough you can see the difference in color (rough makes it slightly darker). I agree that 2x hexes shoudln't be defended.

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RE: 1943! - 1/15/2015 10:04:23 PM

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Hi guys,

interesting observations about Burma defence.

In fact, as i've said before, the new line won't be hold for long.
The Diamphur-Impal-Ledo sector will be abbandoned as soon as he starts building the bases around Dacca and Chittagon. As Micheal said, supplies flows very slowly there and even if i had stockpiled quite a lot of it during the last months (foreseeing the evacuation of Assam), it simply won't last a series of battles.
The idea is to get back to Burma. But i wanna do it slowly, so to be able to kill western China out of the war first and to estabilish a good defensive perimeter in Burma before the former Assam Army will move back.
Akyab is a bad place where to defend. As soon as his BBs arrive at Calcutta, Akyab will be bombed 24h, from the skies and from the seas. Will resist there as long as possible, but won't waste a good division for it.
There's already a division at Ramree. Soon there will also be an AA regiment and some guns and engineers. Again, like Akyab, not much more.

Space for time. That's the goal. Space for time.

April 16, 1943

An important day in China. Tsuyung falls! BANZAI!
Now on towards Paoshan!

Ground combat at Tsuyung (68,46)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 15656 troops, 318 guns, 994 vehicles, Assault Value = 630

Defending force 23660 troops, 94 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 184

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 489

Allied adjusted defense: 109

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Tsuyung !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
10183 casualties reported
Squads: 197 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 314 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 35 (28 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 18
Units destroyed 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
2nd Tank Division
18th Tank Regiment
Guards Tank Division
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
56th Chinese Corps
95th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
34th Chinese Corps
10th Chinese Corps
5th New Chinese Corps
11th Group Army
Lusu War Area
10th Construction Regiment
NCAC
80th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
49th Chinese Corps
5th Group Army
9th Group Army
33rd Base Group
62nd Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Base Force
16th Chinese Base Force

Quiet everywhere else. Usual bombings at Ceylon and he also started to bomb Attu... Diego will be targetted pretty soon i guess. Space for time.

Bought a new division from Japan. The 54th. It will go to Kavieng with some AA and base forces. Need to plan the abbandoning of Bouganville and to defend the right flank of Rabaul.

Moving some 200 fighters to Port Hedland. Soon his bombers will come screaming over there...

130K supplies are moving from Japan to northern Oz and Timor.

Left at Calcutta 40K fuel... couldn't wait anymore to leave the area... that's a pity, i know...just like the 35K i left at Ceylon... but that's the price to pay for getting back in good order without a single ship lost in that operation.

In 5 days we'll begin a sistematic bombing of Chungking and in 2 weeks we'll start moving against Sian again. Wenchow is on the list too, but it will need to wait untill i get Paoshan done.

Planning to use the 4 tank divisions ihave in the Marshalls... what do you think? Better an Infantry division (those with Heavy 43 IJA infantry squads) or those nasty tank divisions for static defence of an island?

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RE: 1943! - 1/15/2015 10:34:40 PM

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Akyab is a bad place where to defend. As soon as his BBs arrive at Calcutta, Akyab will be bombed 24h, from the skies and from the seas. Will resist there as long as possible, but won't waste a good division for it.
There's already a division at Ramree. Soon there will also be an AA regiment and some guns and engineers. Again, like Akyab, not much more.

Akyab is a 2x hex? Ya I guess it's not the best hex then. But then where do you intend to make a real stand? The river crossing east of Akyab which is not a coastal hex but is the only march rout from Akyab? Again I still think you're being a little overcautious here. You are doing just fine defending against the Allies in wide open India. Yet you seem very pessimistic about being able to Allies marching a coastal dirt road in 2x and 3x terrain. Ya the Allies will be stronger in a few months but the defensive conditions in Burma are just so much better IMO. Also, Calcutta isn't accessible by BBs due to the size constraint on moving upriver.

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Planning to use the 4 tank divisions ihave in the Marshalls... what do you think? Better an Infantry division (those with Heavy 43 IJA infantry squads) or those nasty tank divisions for static defence of an island?

I think you should still try to use at least some of those tank divisions they can use their mobility advantageously. I think that they would be more useful in Java and Sumatra where you may need to deploy rapidly to meet an Allied landing.

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RE: 1943! - 1/15/2015 10:56:49 PM

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Nonsense, GJ is not be too careful.

Once Ceylon falls, Burma can be an out and out deathtrap! And Obvert knows it, he lost 22 divisions there to Jocke, maybe more.

Interesting thought on using the tank divisions in the Marshalls, the problem is where to put them so they actually fight? Ponape, Kwaj, Roi, Ailinglaplap or others like Malo, etc... What about Kusaie? That leaves a lot of bases the Allies can use to bypass, and then how do you manage to withdraw those heavy loads from an isolated, worthless position.

Marianas you could put them on Guam, Rota, Saipan and Tinian?

Just thinking out loud here, I am sure you have thought more about it

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RE: 1943! - 1/16/2015 5:30:47 AM

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I meant Mariannas, not Marshalls! Sorry

Sangeli, i do understand what you think. That coastal road is surely a good place to defend. I know. But how much should i put there? The perimeter to be defended in Burma is pretty big if you want to prevent the allied columns to penetrate inthe plains. The hex behind the river crssing east of Akyab is exactly the place i had in mind. But i will fight for Akyab, don't get me wrong... i just won't let good units die there, which is different.

Also consider that if Japan committs too much in Burma the allies will simply bypass it.
So it's a balance thing: you need to give him the belief that he could penetrate in Burma, so he will commit there good units. At the same time it's mandatory, as Obvert knows as Lowepe pointed out, to defend deep...Rangoon, Pegu, Moulmein and Tavoy.

Also it's about timing... Obvert won't be ready to threaten deep Thailand untill 1944 i guess, while Sumatra can be invaded even in late 1943, so i need to give priority to the defence of Sumatra. Already sending to Singapore some good support units that will be needed in those eastern Sumatra bases.

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RE: 1943! - 1/16/2015 5:46:50 AM

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Once again, the general strategic idea behind my choices is that Japan needs to "lure" the allies towards the best (for Japana) possible advancing vector.
Obviously the allies won't attack where they feel Japan is stronger.
So i need to show him i'm strong in Sumatra and Java and let him advance in the cent-pac.
I want him to advance in Centpac.
That's why i fortified Umboi-Finshtafen and Mereuake-Horn Island complexes. I want him to committ in the marshalls rather than in the Indian Ocean.
Want him in Bura rather than in western Sumatra.
Want him in NW Oz rather than in NE Oz and so on...

The fall of western China will surely help me in this. Once it's secured, many chinese divisions will be free to be moved elsewhere...and only God knows how badly are they needed.

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RE: 1943! - 1/16/2015 9:35:37 AM

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I would advice to keep best divisions in Singa with Amphib TF ready. Just in case Obvert will have different opinion where is good place to advance in late 43 ;)

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RE: 1943! - 1/16/2015 3:02:16 PM

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Akyab is a bad place where to defend. As soon as his BBs arrive at Calcutta, Akyab will be bombed 24h, from the skies and from the seas. Will resist there as long as possible, but won't waste a good division for it.
There's already a division at Ramree. Soon there will also be an AA regiment and some guns and engineers. Again, like Akyab, not much more.

Akyab is a 2x hex? Ya I guess it's not the best hex then. But then where do you intend to make a real stand? The river crossing east of Akyab which is not a coastal hex but is the only march rout from Akyab? Again I still think you're being a little overcautious here. You are doing just fine defending against the Allies in wide open India. Yet you seem very pessimistic about being able to Allies marching a coastal dirt road in 2x and 3x terrain. Ya the Allies will be stronger in a few months but the defensive conditions in Burma are just so much better IMO. Also, Calcutta isn't accessible by BBs due to the size constraint on moving upriver.

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Planning to use the 4 tank divisions ihave in the Marshalls... what do you think? Better an Infantry division (those with Heavy 43 IJA infantry squads) or those nasty tank divisions for static defence of an island?

I think you should still try to use at least some of those tank divisions they can use their mobility advantageously. I think that they would be more useful in Java and Sumatra where you may need to deploy rapidly to meet an Allied landing.

Akyab is a death trap for the side that does not hold naval and air superiority. So for the Allies in 42 and for Japan after mid 43. GJ is aware of that. Besides who says the Allies need to take it at all.

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RE: 1943! - 1/16/2015 5:54:39 PM

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Sangeli, i do understand what you think. That coastal road is surely a good place to defend. I know. But how much should i put there? The perimeter to be defended in Burma is pretty big if you want to prevent the allied columns to penetrate inthe plains. The hex behind the river crssing east of Akyab is exactly the place i had in mind. But i will fight for Akyab, don't get me wrong... i just won't let good units die there, which is different.

I don't think the whole perimeter of Burma should be defended as it is large like you said. Really I'm just advocating force the Allies to have to their time advancing through Burma. Either they go head on with frontal attack whereupon strong defenses can slow that approach or they attempt outflanking maneuvers and you slowly pull back based off those movements. But I just have a feeling based off Obverts strategy so far that the main advance in Burma will be a frontal one through Akyab. Really 6 divisions deployed along the coast should give the Allies a real hard time I think; remember how low the stacking limits are there. That's not a lot of units compared to what you have available right now.

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I would advice to keep best divisions in Singa with Amphib TF ready. Just in case Obvert will have different opinion where is good place to advance in late 43 ;)

+1 to that. The other reason I am advocating a more forward defense is because I know that in the following months that the IJA in China is being released for overseas duty. The assembly of a rather rapid reaction force in Singapore is now possible with those units. I'd even go a step further and prepare those units to prepare for bases in Japanese hands but which might be targets of Allied attack. Really I see no reason why you can't get a large army in strategic reserve to meet an ambitious amphibious allied assault (say that 4x fast

) in Java or Sumatra and match the Allies soldier for soldier. The real weakness for Japan this game, as Grejoy already is aware of, is an advance through SW PAC where there are just too many isolated bases for even a large army to defend in strength. An attack anywhere else before 1944 is likely to work to Greyjoy's advantage I think.

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RE: 1943! - 1/16/2015 9:28:53 PM

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April 17-18, 1943

On the 17th, the allies attack Torokina, my main base south of Rabaul.
They sweep+LRCAP and send several 2E bombers.
My fighters were momentary back at Rabaul for some RnR...
The base was smashed and the AF barely usable.
I decided to hit back.

On the 18th, i moved 230 fighters to Torokina, while ordering the N1K1s to sweep Shortland.

A MASSIVE success!

The N1K1s arrived first and diverted not less than 3 groups of Wildcats from their LRCAP duties over Torokina.
The Georges achieved a stunning 20-0 result!

Then the 2Es arrived unescorted...and got slaughterd over Torokina.

In the meanwhile 25 P-39s swept Buin and found 36 A6M5s who butchered them

When the P38 and P39s arrived over Torokina they found a stiff resistance...and got back with a small 1,5 to 1 in their favour.

By the end of the day, we had killed 90 enemy planes, losing 30 of my own

Morning Air attack on Shortlands , at 110,132

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 40

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 12
F4F-4 Wildcat x 36

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 11 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 25000 feet *

CAP engaged:
VRF-1F with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(18 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 18 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 25000.
Raid is overhead
VRF-3F with F4F-4 Wildcat (18 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(18 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
18 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 25000.
Raid is overhead
VMO-251 with F4F-3 Wildcat (12 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(12 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 25000.
Raid is overhead

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Morning Air attack on Shortlands , at 110,132

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 4

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 1
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 25000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Buin , at 109,131

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 35

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x P-39D Airacobra sweeping at 15000 feet *

CAP engaged:
281 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 24 on standby, 0 scrambling)
11 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Torokina , at 109,130

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 68
A6M8 Zero x 25
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 30
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 19
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 26

Allied aircraft
Beaufort VIII x 12
B-18A Bolo x 11
PV-1 Ventura x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-18A Bolo: 4 destroyed
PV-1 Ventura: 7 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Torokina , at 109,130

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 66
A6M8 Zero x 25
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 28
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 18
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 25

Allied aircraft
B-26 Marauder x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-26 Marauder: 7 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Torokina , at 109,130

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 66
A6M8 Zero x 25
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 25
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 16
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 25

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 4 destroyed

CAP engaged:
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
23 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 28000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
203rd Sentai with Ki-43-IIIa Oscar (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 28000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
246th Sentai with Ki-44-IIb Tojo (0 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
248th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 5 scrambling)
16 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 26000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 74 minutes
282 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
23 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 26000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
Taiyo-1 with A6M8 Zero (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Torokina , at 109,130

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 65
A6M8 Zero x 24
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 20
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 12
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 24

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 22
P-39D Airacobra x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 3 destroyed

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RE: 1943! - 1/16/2015 9:29:20 PM

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RE: 1943! - 1/16/2015 9:29:48 PM

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RE: 1943! - 1/16/2015 9:47:39 PM

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Using Bolos in front-line 1943? Wow. Gutsy.

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RE: 1943! - 1/16/2015 9:52:14 PM

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Using Bolos in front-line 1943? Wow. Gutsy.

PDU-OFF

Nice action Nicola.

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RE: 1943! - 1/16/2015 10:07:38 PM

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Using Bolos in front-line 1943? Wow. Gutsy.

PDU-OFF

Nice action Nicola.

But the B-18 never saw combat in the Pacific after the Philippines. I don't even think it was used for ASW in the Pacific. So I'm surprised that with PDU-OFF that any B-18 squadrons exist so late.

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RE: 1943! - 1/16/2015 10:10:47 PM

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Using Bolos in front-line 1943? Wow. Gutsy.

PDU-OFF

Nice action Nicola.

But the B-18 never saw combat in the Pacific after the Philippines. I don't even think it was used for ASW in the Pacific. So I'm surprised that with PDU-OFF that any B-18 squadrons exist so late.

I have the last few training ASW and flying some light ASW in 3/43. But bombers in a CAP environment? PDU either way that's just lost pilots and VPs.

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RE: 1943! - 1/16/2015 10:23:29 PM

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Using Bolos in front-line 1943? Wow. Gutsy.

PDU-OFF

Nice action Nicola.

But the B-18 never saw combat in the Pacific after the Philippines. I don't even think it was used for ASW in the Pacific. So I'm surprised that with PDU-OFF that any B-18 squadrons exist so late.

I have the last few training ASW and flying some light ASW in 3/43. But bombers in a CAP environment? PDU either way that's just lost pilots and VPs.

Bomber is just platform to delivery payload in my opinion and allied player suffer shortage of bombers in '43.
Personally I am still using Hudson I, 139WH-3, CW-22 in my game, Dec '43. As long fighters are can offer protection all are good for bombing. It seems to me that Nicola's CAP trap was not present in Obvert's plans.

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RE: 1943! - 1/17/2015 4:45:41 PM

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Bomber is just platform to delivery payload in my opinion and allied player suffer shortage of bombers in '43.
Personally I am still using Hudson I, 139WH-3, CW-22 in my game, Dec '43. As long fighters are can offer protection all are good for bombing. It seems to me that Nicola's CAP trap was not present in Obvert's plans.

Yeah, it is a bomb delivery platform. That's fine, but the Bolo has no armor, a gun rating of 6, and a cruise speed of 167 kts. When it dies it takes down the same pilot a B-24 does, and costs the same VPs as a B-26. In later 1943 you have fighters that can help in the Pacific. In early 1943 not very much. 2Es have to be able to defend themselves and take some damage in 1943 IMO. Bolos fail on all accounts.

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RE: 1943! - 1/17/2015 5:01:55 PM

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Bomber is just platform to delivery payload in my opinion and allied player suffer shortage of bombers in '43.
Personally I am still using Hudson I, 139WH-3, CW-22 in my game, Dec '43. As long fighters are can offer protection all are good for bombing. It seems to me that Nicola's CAP trap was not present in Obvert's plans.

Yeah, it is a bomb delivery platform. That's fine, but the Bolo has no armor, a gun rating of 6, and a cruise speed of 167 kts. When it dies it takes down the same pilot a B-24 does, and costs the same VPs as a B-26. In later 1943 you have fighters that can help in the Pacific. In early 1943 not very much. 2Es have to be able to defend themselves and take some damage in 1943 IMO. Bolos fail on all accounts.

And you just don't get very many... I only have enough to fill out ASW squadrons at Pearl. And I haven't used them in combat at all.

I use B-25s exclusively once I can. The B-26 is OK - same bomb load, faster, but lower range than the B-25C. It would be nice if I could get in range to use the other attack bombers, like the Havoc, but 5-6 hex range just isn't happening. Once the A-20G comes in September '43, maybe.

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RE: 1943! - 1/17/2015 11:30:50 PM

GreyJoy

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April 19-20, 1942

Quiet days.
The allies finally conquer Colombo, after weeks of constant air and naval bombings.
The I-24 torpedoes a british AMC near Ceylon.
The 31st ID is succesfully re-combined at Horn Island. That's a good division, behind 6 forts in a key-position. Happy about that.
Quiet over Torokina.
In China we conquered another hex on the road to Paoshan, while we pushed back another enemy stack towards Chungking.
CV Amagi arrived. Unfortunately it arrived witb D4Y3s and Jills version 2.0...which means, inPDU OFF, that i cannot use those groups

Need to unload them and re-embark some LBA sentais after resizing them...

A strong SAG is moving to Port Hedland, along with 200 fighters that arrived yesterday. The well needed and waited 100k supplies convoy is arriving too.
The KB is positioning near Java...waiting

Ground combat at 67,45 (near Tsuyung)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 8273 troops, 207 guns, 556 vehicles, Assault Value = 365

Defending force 14649 troops, 56 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 112

Japanese adjusted assault: 153

Allied adjusted defense: 55

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), morale(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
5300 casualties reported
Squads: 100 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 211 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 20 (20 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 17

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
18th Tank Regiment
Guards Tank Division
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
56th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
34th Chinese Corps
95th Chinese Corps
10th Chinese Corps
5th New Chinese Corps
33rd Base Group
49th Chinese Corps
62nd Chinese Corps
10th Construction Regiment
80th Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Base Force
9th Group Army
Lusu War Area
11th Group Army
5th Group Army
16th Chinese Base Force

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Ground combat at 75,48 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 39474 troops, 495 guns, 452 vehicles, Assault Value = 1260

Defending force 42790 troops, 154 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1163

Japanese adjusted assault: 712

Allied adjusted defense: 307

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2003 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 163 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled

Allied ground losses:
9183 casualties reported
Squads: 340 destroyed, 42 disabled
Non Combat: 259 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 11 (8 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
1st Tank Division
3rd Division
51st Division
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Mortar Battalion
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
10th Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
7th Chinese Corps
25th Chinese Corps
35th Chinese Corps
76th Chinese Corps

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Ground combat at Colombo (29,48)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 8683 troops, 91 guns, 73 vehicles, Assault Value = 292

Defending force 6964 troops, 63 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 54

Allied adjusted assault: 110

Japanese adjusted defense: 9

Allied assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 6)

Allied forces CAPTURE Colombo !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
3084 casualties reported
Squads: 77 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 110 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 36 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 20 (16 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 15 (15 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 5

Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units pursuing 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
77th LRP Bde /1
46th Indian Brigade
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
111th LRP Bde /1
188th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
11th Garrison Unit
21st JAAF AF Bn
36th JAAF AF Bn
22nd Special Base Force
3rd Provisional Base Force

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RE: 1943! - 1/20/2015 9:17:29 AM

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Days of hard work have slowed down both the turns flow and the AAR. Sorry guys.

We reached 24th April 1943

The allies are flowing into Assam, conquering everything we abandoned (Calcutta included).
Our main units have almost reached Akyab, which is fine.
In china we had bad days over Chungking. He flew in 100+ P-40Ks who have esterminated my unescorted Sallies (66 lost!). Now I need to face another problem in China... my bad, should have been more carefull.
Towards Paoshan we just reached the river crossing with our tanks, but the sudden appearance of allied fighters are really ruining my plans... will try to work it out with what I have. Hopefully the supplies left there will be low enough for them to allow me to advance only with our land forces.
Soon the allies will start building the bases in Assam...and I have to be ready to evacuate the Ledo-Dimampur area...but I need to get to Paoshan first! Thrilling moments

In Sopac/Centpac things are deteriorating fast.
Nauru finally falls, after 6 months of siege and constant naval and aerial bombings. Can't really complain: my guys have shown their best attributes in holding that ground without supplies for nearly 6 months against the Marines.
Mili is bombed again by several BBs and we managed to catch some 20 allied planes on escorting the 4Es that daily attack the base. Will try now to reinforce it a bit...let's see

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RE: 1943! - 1/20/2015 3:54:23 PM

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April 25, 1943

In China i now count 66 fighters at Paoshan and 95 at Chungking... that's a lot!
I am a bit short of planes at the moment. Not much i can do...
The troops at Nauru made a Banzai attack after having lost the control of the base and got wiped out. Again, not much i could do at this point.
A small baby KB is making a trip in the IO...let's see if he is already moving something...i have a strong feeling the route from CT to Perth is now operative again...may be the right time for a raid

Tanks east of Paoshan are now ordered to move towards the river crossing, while the 5th Guards Division, supported by tanks and heavy artillery is pushing towards Paoshan from the east. I know there's a british division still stuck there so the resistance here might be strong...but first i need to get rid of the fighters there

KI-84a arriving in september 43.
KI-61c in June 43, then the "d" version (which is the good one) should be available by october 43 if my calculations are correct.

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RE: 1943! - 1/22/2015 9:55:36 AM

GreyJoy

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April 26-30, 1943

Things are deteriorating fast in China. Too many P-40Ks and I have too few decent groups to be used for sweep. Losses are unacceptable

Same for the Marshalls. Mili is bombed everyday and I simply don't have enough to cover the Marshalls properly.

Buna is conquered... now PM is completely lost and isolated.

Dambulla falls. Ceylon is now a british dominion.

From Calcutta, P-38s started to sweep Akyab, causing losses.

Didn't expect to feel so weak in may 1943...

Must start to get ready for the inner perimeter...

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RE: 1943! - 1/22/2015 11:49:01 AM

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PDU on has a massive effect in 43, it is then that you feel it the most because the allies don't have their massive CV fleet yet, good models are only starting to come online, whereas you are using Georges and Franks and the best Tojos everywhere... in a pdu off, you feel the "gap" in the japanese war effort a lot more : that period of time after Japan had bled itself dry in 42 and was just starting ramping up its war effort to try to survive...

now the question for you is whether SLs and Pdu OFF will limit the allies efficiently when on the offensive, or not. Because SL and pdu Off might prove great for a balanced 42 game, but maybe mid 43 onwards you'll get rolled over too easily, I don't know. Let's see though and good luck.

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RE: 1943! - 1/22/2015 12:28:51 PM

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Based on my PDU off game, the switching around of air units to make sure that you have the best fighters available means that you really can't be that strong. The PDU off upgrade for the IJAAF in particular is "interesting".

Makes you love the Oscar a lot more than you ever thought you could!

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RE: 1943! - 1/22/2015 12:41:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

April 26-30, 1943

Same for the Marshalls. Mili is bombed everyday and I simply don't have enough to cover the Marshalls properly.

Didn't expect to feel so weak in may 1943...

Must start to get ready for the inner perimeter...

In my game, I felt weak in 1942!

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RE: 1943! - 1/23/2015 6:10:56 AM

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August 1942 - And how week do I already feel!

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RE: 1943! - 1/23/2015 7:42:54 AM

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LOL, March 42, just captured Palembang and am still fighting for Bataan and Java - and I feel like it is time to go on the defensive...

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RE: 1943! - 1/23/2015 11:52:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

LOL, March 42, just captured Palembang and am still fighting for Bataan and Java - and I feel like it is time to go on the defensive...

Ha,ha

There is hope, if only fleeting, because I was fighting for Java in October 42. I think Manila fell in Aug/Sept 42. Never even got Rangoon.

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RE: 1943! - 1/23/2015 10:54:29 PM

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Days where i am just working. 15, 16 hours per day.... Barely have the strenght to play a couple of turns during pauses.... God

Keep on losing the air battle for chungking. Every day i lose twice the planes of his i destroy....not good. Especially if u think i am throwing away the best of my pilots.

Mili is heavy bombed even with Cruisers... I bet this is his next step on his list. Tried to LRCAP but didnt worked... Too many allied fighters on escort and LRCAP.... Lost 12 planes for no gain.... Ouch.

Closing on paoshan... Managed to rivercross from the east but got halted...reinforcements are on the way. Hope to be able to do a proper update tomorrow.... Now off to bed

Night guys

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