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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 4/22/2015 9:17:24 PM   
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Here's what things look like prior to December 2. Still entirely OK, everything functioning as expected. CVEs will be in range to support Saumlaki invasions on the day after Taberfane invasions if necessary (15 hexes out).

TFs at Gove are logistics, with another 60-some thousand supply and some fuel for Darwin.




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 4/22/2015 9:34:59 PM   
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December 2, 1943

Subs
A bunch of misses giving me intel on movements around Pescadores, Balikpapan, and Kyushu.

Hackleback does cripple, maybe sink, an xAK outside of Hengchun on Formosa.

CENTPAC
13 Bettys from the Marshalls airfields somewhere cripple an AK outside Abemama, which doesn't have CAP for some reason.

B-24s shoot down a Jake or two on night CAP at Makin and get a few Zeroes on the ground.

Elsewhere
Bombardments at Kiriwina and outside Akyab.

Riptide
Landings begin. IJ Artillery units at Taberfane cause a fair amount of casualties in the surf, but nothing huge. Enough still gets ashore to take the base soon.

A surprise! There is some kind of CVE/CVL or something just outside of Boela. 6 Zeroes and 4 Kates are shot down over my CVs. Then 9 Bettys and most of their 25 Zero escort as well. And then 13 Nells and some Jills, and most of their Oscar/Zero escort also. Japan loses 119 aircraft today, against my 20. 3 Nells and 2 Jills actually make it to drop points, but that's it.

However, we forgot to set any LRCAP over Dobo, where we are landing token AV to take the base and a bunch of engineers. This causes us to lose the LSD Ashland and get an AKA crippled, as 13 Judys (either from Boela or from that CV/CVL) strike. This mitigates our otherwise flawless victory thus far with Riptide.

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Japanese aircraft
D4Y2 Judy x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
APD Brooks
LSD Ashland, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AKA Algorab, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires

Allied ground losses:
155 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Looks like Hiyo or Junyo launched the strikes, doesn't it?

And at the end of the day, here's what we've got:
quote:


Ground combat at Taberfane (82,117)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6681 troops, 46 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 273

Defending force 13757 troops, 152 guns, 174 vehicles, Assault Value = 381

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
23rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
Yokosuka 1st SNLF
1st Naval Construction Battalion
21st JAAF Base Force
4th Naval Construction Battalion
4th JNAF Coy
70th JAAF AF Bn
108th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
4th Australian Division
II Australian Corps
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
16th RAAF Base Force


We're going to move up just a little towards Boela with my CVs, in case his remain in the area for some reason. There's no way KB can be able to launch a strike tomorrow as it was too far away too recently, but that's all I'm going to risk. Secondary mission for the CV airgroups will be an airfield strike on Boela, to help take some of the burden off the overworked 4E crews.




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 4/22/2015 10:06:50 PM   
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December 3, 1943

Subs
Grayling cripples the big AO Shiretoko on the Balikpapan-Manado route, but no fuel was on board. She might live.

Solomons
The J1N1 is in business over Namatanai, which is on the southern tip of New Ireland. He's building the airfield here finally... B-25s try to bomb it at night and get disrupted.

CENTPAC
Bombing continues at Makin, with more airfield hits and a few more planes destroyed.

3 groups of P-38s sweep Makin, going in with 18 planes apiece (weird). 22 Tonys and 14 A6M5b's begin the day on CAP, and are "swept aside" by the superior Allied planes.

Burma
We bomb the hex outside of the Akyab area (again, it's 1 hex NE of the end of the road) and only get a few reported casualties. This is in preparation for a deliberate attack, which doesn't accomplish much:

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Ground combat at 56,44 (near Akyab)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 94824 troops, 632 guns, 482 vehicles, Assault Value = 3306

Defending force 32091 troops, 425 guns, 1453 vehicles, Assault Value = 1099

Allied adjusted assault: 1499

Japanese adjusted defense: 2374

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
888 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 67 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 27 disabled
Vehicles lost 75 (5 destroyed, 70 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2251 casualties reported
Squads: 97 destroyed, 136 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 6 disabled


Riptide
My Fletchers race up to try to catch the CV(s), but they wisely fled. What they do run into is 3 IJN DDs outside of Gorong, the dot base outside of Boela. They pretty much miss each other.

Nells from Dili try to bomb Darwin's AF at night, and several are lost to flak. Already! Cool.

1 BB each bombards Taberfane and Saumlaki, where landings begin as well. Some planes destroyed on the ground at each place, and the bases are ripped up. Over 200 casualties reported in each bombardment. Venturas and B-25s join in against Saumlaki's airfield during the day, getting a few more planes and some more hits.

Tons of Oscars, Zeroes, Nells, and Jills are shot down over the CVs today. 8 Jills do try for the BB Massachusetts and Alabama outside of Kai-eilanden, but miss... still, he saw them.

Japan loses 141 planes on the day today against my 62. Here's where most of my 62 came from. 22 were Hellcats in the air... from the standard EXP CVL units, not the elite CV pilots.
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Boela at 80,110

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 14
J2M2 Jack x 13
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 11

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 22
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 36
SBD-5 Dauntless x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M2 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 7 destroyed
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 2 destroyed
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Kasumi, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Arare, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Yamagumo, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Babo at 83,111

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 15

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 24
TBF-1 Avenger x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 3 destroyed
TBF-1 Avenger: 7 damaged

Japanese Ships
TK Nishi Maru
TK Nanrei Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
PB Rikusen Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
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Afternoon Air attack on Boela , at 80,110

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 12
J2M2 Jack x 18
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 5

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 16
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 35
SBD-5 Dauntless x 28
TBF-1 Avenger x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
J2M2 Jack: 5 damaged
J2M2 Jack: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
G3M3 Nell: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 3 destroyed
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Yamagumo, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Arare, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 26


I underprepped for Saumlaki:
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Ground combat at Saumlaki (78,117)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5029 troops, 45 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 271

Defending force 4680 troops, 42 guns, 20 vehicles, Assault Value = 209

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
90th Infantry Regiment
Sasebo 8th SNLF
35th JNAF AF Unit
32nd Special Base Force
20th JNAF AF Unit
11th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
Port Moresby Brigade
45th Indian Brigade
14th RAAF Base Force


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Ground combat at Taberfane (82,117)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12638 troops, 154 guns, 142 vehicles, Assault Value = 386

Defending force 13190 troops, 89 guns, 82 vehicles, Assault Value = 258

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 178

Japanese adjusted defense: 230

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
693 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 44 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th Australian Division
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
II Australian Corps
16th RAAF Base Force

Defending units:
23rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
Yokosuka 1st SNLF
4th Naval Construction Battalion
4th JNAF Coy
21st JAAF Base Force
1st Naval Construction Battalion
70th JAAF AF Bn
108th JAAF AF Bn





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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 4/24/2015 6:07:34 AM   
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You should be fine at Saumlaki, but it'll take a bit of time. It's out on a limb now for him and could be hard to contest your bombardments. The Indians should do well there eventually.

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 4/24/2015 4:03:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: obvert

You should be fine at Saumlaki, but it'll take a bit of time. It's out on a limb now for him and could be hard to contest your bombardments. The Indians should do well there eventually.


Well... except that by this game date, he's brought basically the entire IJN. I'm in a losing battle now in December 28, but if I can get more troops ashore I'll be fine. It's just a question of being able to do that with the resources that are available in theater. I have to take advantage of him leaving the door unlocked elsewhere.

Going to try to get some more updates today .

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 4/27/2015 8:37:21 PM   
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First time the forum's actually eaten my post and I've not been able to recover it... I blame Chrome. Firefox saves it and I can "back" to get it back.

December 4, 1943

Subs
Ray cripples and then sinks an xAK carrying Oil outside of Jesselton

CENTPAC
Even though the island has been empty, I already had these guys loaded up... the 7th Marines take Ocean Island and will head back to Luganville to rejoin their brothers for a future offensive.

Arorae airfield expands to 3.

Solomons/Coral Sea
We bomb at Kiriwina and discover that we need to put our medium and attack bombers on some R&R. There's some flak losses occurring.

Burma
A bombardment outside Akyab reveals that I still have 3191 AV, against just 940 for him. We attack again tomorrow and expect good results. The Indians in the stack here have great AT weapons with which to fight the 2 Tank Divisions...

Riptide
Lost the combat reports... summary:

Lots of naval search has been thrown up in this area, both day and night. It appears targeted on roughly a 45-degree "pie slice" from Kendari down to Darwin and over to Boela.

CLs were sent to bombard Boela as no surface combat is anticipated at the moment. They sink 3 xAKLs on the way there, and then damage the runway. 323 casualties are reported, perhaps mostly amongst the 12th Base Force, which is present. Lots of damaged planes - Nells, Jacks. Some destroyed - Frances, Zeroes, Oscars.

The 4 Fletchers, sent chasing MKB, are sent to Babo to finish up there. They sink the lone TK remaining.

P-38s sweep Boela during the day and take their toll. Just 2 groups wins out. 40 planes are on CAP for the first sweep; just 11 are on CAP for the second.

KB shows up to the NE, in the "Gulf of Biak." This was the soonest expected strike position, and I think he must have had to run them hard to get to this position so quickly. I have my CVEs and CVs 9 hexes to the SE, out of range. KB expends some bombs and torpedoes to sink APD Parrott and 3 LCIs to the south of Taberfane, and cripples 2 of the Fletchers retiring from Babo.

An attack at Taberfane drops forts to 2. It will be ours soon. No casualties in the mandated IJA bombardment at Saumlaki...




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 4/27/2015 9:15:53 PM   
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December 5, 1943

Subs
RO-101 is outside Munda, but evades ASW.

I-183 sinks DE Crouter outside Nanumea, which I suppose is better than putting torpedoes into the merchants she's escorting.

I-169 and I-156 each get sightings off on some troop movements, but don't sink anything.

My subs are quiet again...

China
Oscars are shot down over Chengtu with a P-38 sweep.

Burma
Ah, some good stuff:
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Ground combat at 56,44 (near Akyab)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 92282 troops, 610 guns, 481 vehicles, Assault Value = 3213

Defending force 29878 troops, 414 guns, 1446 vehicles, Assault Value = 934

Allied adjusted assault: 2465

Japanese adjusted defense: 940

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
7162 casualties reported
Squads: 138 destroyed, 76 disabled
Non Combat: 297 destroyed, 224 disabled
Engineers: 29 destroyed, 21 disabled
Guns lost 129 (75 destroyed, 54 disabled)
Vehicles lost 483 (278 destroyed, 205 disabled)

Units retreated 3 13th Army remains here

Allied ground losses:
379 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 108 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
3rd New Chinese Corps
2/3rd MG Battalion
75th Chinese Corps
20th Indian Division
66th Chinese Corps Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
50th Tank Brigade
24th Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Corps
11th Group Army
7th RAF Advanced Base Force
6th Medium Regiment
29th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
26th Group Army
6th War Area
6th RAF Advanced Base Force
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
4th War Area
26th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd Group Army
27th Group Army

Defending units:
3rd Tank Division
33rd Division
2nd Tank Division
13th Army


Riptide
The KBs are gone - presumably heading either back east to Truk (doubtful), or north to Babeldaob or around the tip of New Guinea (each seem equally likely). I'm vectoring some subs accordingly, and moving back with my other forces after one more day to allow for transit time around Sorong if he chooses to pursue.

CAs bombard Dili, with DDs, and get a few hits. Just some damaged Nells and 110 reported casualties, with the IJA 5th Division present. Judging by casualty numbers, forts here are not high. If I can periodically bomb the AF, I could make progress in this area much easier on myself. Definitely need more troops, though - he's invested a little bit more here in terms of LCUs than I anticipated. Prepping a lot of the units that have been chilling in Australia, and bringing others in from Luganville, etc., that were overprepped for the Solomons and Gilberts.

P-38s sweep Babo and shoot down a bunch of Oscars for minimal loss.

The CV aircrews bomb Saumlaki today and get some Lilys, Zeroes, and Jacks on the ground.

We bomb Taberfane during the day also with PV-1 Venturas, and are surprised by 11 Jacks on CAP. Is it LRCAP from somewhere? Don't know. Taberfane is also captured, and 4 units are wiped out by attrition with some planes as well:
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Ground combat at Taberfane (82,117)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 11392 troops, 141 guns, 139 vehicles, Assault Value = 373

Defending force 11101 troops, 87 guns, 82 vehicles, Assault Value = 85

Allied adjusted assault: 255

Japanese adjusted defense: 18

Allied assault odds: 14 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Taberfane !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M2 Jack: 2 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 8 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1576 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 58 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 99 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 12 (9 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 50 (50 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
109 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th Australian Division
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
II Australian Corps
16th RAAF Base Force

Defending units:
23rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
Yokosuka 1st SNLF
21st JAAF Base Force
1st Naval Construction Battalion
70th JAAF AF Bn
4th Naval Construction Battalion
4th JNAF Coy
108th JAAF AF Bn
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4th JNAF Coy Wiped Out at Taberfane by attrition!!!

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1st Naval Construction Battalion Wiped Out at Taberfane by attrition!!!

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4th Naval Construction Battalion Wiped Out at Taberfane by attrition!!!

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108th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Taberfane by attrition!!!





White arrows first moves, green arrows second moves... more is already on the way to Kiriwina, but the door may already be open for a move against Buna as it is currently open for a move against Namatanai.

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Covering two days here, bringing us to the 2nd anniversary of the war...

December 6 - 7, 1943

Subs
Apogon shoots at a convoy escort outside Amami Oshima and gets hit, and then does it again and gets sunk. Hurray...

Snook misses E Otori outside of Donggala, but sights a handful of xAPs. Troop movements in the area!

Searaven sinks a lone xAK on the surface between Soerabaja and Madjene.


I-41 sinks DE Whitman with 2 torpedo hits outside of Nikunau. Craptacular 2 days for my DEs, I guess.

I-28 sinks a YP outside of Umnak. Good day to be an I-boat.

CENTPAC
I still don't have good CAP settings around Tabiteuea and Tarawa, and the experience here so far is so much different than against my other opponent. Frances and Bettys sink 2 xAKs at Beru. Oh well.

22 Georges sweep Tarawa, meeting P-39s and Corsairs. They shoot down 16 in total for a loss of 10. Oh well again.

Solomons/Coral Sea
27 TBFs on night attack miss all the Mogamis outside of Kiriwina. The CAs then bombard Kiriwina, but my brigade has enough supply - I have C-47s at Rossel and can just fly it in at will, plus the barges from Milne Bay. They do cause 179 casualties, but nothing to worry about.

Burma
The 13th Army is wiped out on the 6th, and my stack begins heading either SW or E or SE, depending... also, the big stack of units to the W has already begun movement across the river to the edge of the dirt road as he has begun moving down it. I didn't anticipate him yielding the hex, but perhaps he's learned that he can't compete with my easier logistics - at least not this far north.

I forgot to turn off some ground bombing orders. 2 units of Vengeance divebombers from Kalemyo bomb an RTA division fragment at Mandalay. Thankfully, no CAP up (does he just not have the units available...?). Other level bombers try to bomb the units at Warazup.

Timor Sea, post-Riptide
As the TFs retreat, the operation's first phase is declared officially over. From here on out, it's day-to-day operations.

On the 6th, 44 Nells from Koepang are shot down at Darwin as they strike at some merchants. Well, that was easy. P-38s sweep Koepang on the 6th also and find it empty. The bombers go in next and destroy Zeroes and Jills on the ground. Bueno!

The eradication of IJA units continues through the 7th at Taberfane.

Helens drop a bomb on DD Philip, disbanded at Dobo. Uh oh...

SSTs will drop off the Aussies at Ambon tomorrow. They are not detected on the 7th.

Kendari is weak on the ground - only 3 units reported, with only 7000 or so troops and about 20 guns. Looks like just air support. Wish I could strike deep here and hold it, but I can't yet. After the 6th, we are mostly resting our Recon assets as they've been under a heavy workload recently, and some of the airframes are irreplaceable.

Elsewhere
Basebuilding...
Treasury Islands AF to 2, Tagula Island AF to 4. Vella Lavella Port to 2.

Pago Pago AF maxes at 7. Tabiteuea forts hit 4, and will be turned off.




His naval search clearly is only covering the area between Darwin and Merauke. He is ignoring anything west of Darwin, at least with search based at or near Kendari/Boela.

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Burma

The Great Chinese Horde (Northeast Partition) is strategically repositioning itself... via Jorhat/Dimapur/Kohima, and then SW on the road to Kalemyo. Some is remaining outside of Warazup and Myitkyina in case he completely abandons northern Burma, which is possible. The rest will go help advance on Shwebo, Mandalay, and Meiktila.

I am expecting higher levels of forts, at Magwe and Mandalay in particular. I am unsure about Meiktila. My ultimate goal here is the VP boon of Rangoon. The city is simply worth too much to not liberate it and I'm going to need those points very badly.

It would be nice to move east to Lashio as well, and if I could draw him into a large stalemate at and around Paoshan, that would be most excellent, if it can be done in a way that keeps central China weak for the hoped-for paratrooper attack on Chengtu and Chungking to help push me over the 2:1 VP ratio in 1945.

It would be nice to do the "traditional" cut across to and through Indochina, up towards Hong Kong, but I am not confident in the speed or success of such a venture. Due to the presence of the bulk of the Chinese army, I didn't bring any US units here and kept them all in the Pacific. Most of the units that arrived at Aden are likewise just chilling on Ceylon, waiting for the chance to land at Ramree, Port Blair, and Sabang. I am prepped for those locations in the hopes that they will be available to me, in order to put pressure on him from another axis, but a thrust in overwhelming strength at Palembang/Singapore is just not in the cards given the timeline of this game.

However, this makes things interesting in Burma - a large portion of his Manchurian and Chinese army is here. Yes, he moved many units to the Pacific, but at least half came over here. The Magwe area is relatively well-defended, and Rangoon has an enormous stack of troops at the moment, with a smattering around Pegu/Moulmein. Port Blair is relatively undefended, however...

It's going to be a long slog here. I'm trying to think big picture. I'm also keenly aware of the open terrain just outside of Magwe. I don't have large stacks of AA guns, at least not enough to spread around to all the points I want to advance through, so I might be vulnerable to the same tactics as I used on him: concentrated bombing of troops in the open outside of the range of good LRCAP. I have completely pasted several of his units this way and will continue to do so whenever I see any in the open... including at Shwebo-Mandalay-Meiktila-Magwe.

One last tidbit - I'm moving the latest Essex and Independence flight decks to Ceylon, to await the arrival of the first British CVs. I plan to fly them almost exclusively with fighter groups for air cover, since CVE presence in this area is necessarily light given that I lost so many off Port Moresby, and need the ones I still have in the Pacific for now.




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 4/30/2015 7:25:54 AM   
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I have finally managed to get caught up to date with your AAR, Lokasenna. I have also read all of your opponents AAR. So, won't make any comments other than to say it has been great fun reading both of your AARs and that your war is damn interesting.

Regards,

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 4/30/2015 7:40:15 AM   
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When you talk about taking Rangoon because of its VPs I wonder. You don't need those VPs until 45, until the game ends, by which time Rangoon will surely be Allied. So what's the hurry?

Massive battles involving huge Chinese forces will lose you VPs most likely. VPs you won't get a 2:1 ratio on at least, even with the low VP cost of Chinese forces. I've seen a 4:1 AV battle against dug in IJA troops where the Chinese lost massively and the Japanese suffered little. So in the end getting Rangoon now, in this way with the object of gaining its VPs is a losing battle in VP terms. It'll fall just as easily if you keep the pressure on with the Chinese, bombard daily with your extensive Allied supplies, work down his armies through the air and eventually either force them back due to supply constraints, fear of being cut off, or actually landing behind and cutting them off.

Getting to Rangoon for me is only necessary by 4/43 when I'll be getting ready to bomb the DEI with B-29s, and this move is right on target for that kind of timeframe. It's a strategic target and that is why it's worth so much in VPs I'd imagine, but the campaign to win it now is most likely not going to help you achieve 2:1 more quickly.

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 4/30/2015 4:13:39 PM   
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When you talk about taking Rangoon because of its VPs I wonder. You don't need those VPs until 45, until the game ends, by which time Rangoon will surely be Allied. So what's the hurry?

Massive battles involving huge Chinese forces will lose you VPs most likely. VPs you won't get a 2:1 ratio on at least, even with the low VP cost of Chinese forces. I've seen a 4:1 AV battle against dug in IJA troops where the Chinese lost massively and the Japanese suffered little. So in the end getting Rangoon now, in this way with the object of gaining its VPs is a losing battle in VP terms. It'll fall just as easily if you keep the pressure on with the Chinese, bombard daily with your extensive Allied supplies, work down his armies through the air and eventually either force them back due to supply constraints, fear of being cut off, or actually landing behind and cutting them off.

Getting to Rangoon for me is only necessary by 4/43 when I'll be getting ready to bomb the DEI with B-29s, and this move is right on target for that kind of timeframe. It's a strategic target and that is why it's worth so much in VPs I'd imagine, but the campaign to win it now is most likely not going to help you achieve 2:1 more quickly.


I agree. I'm not really trying to hurry, just trying to make sure that eventually taking it is possible. If I never move forward, I never take it...

So far, as long as I am able to knock the Japanese army into a retreat, I gain on the LCU VPs. I'm slowly getting more Aussie/Brit/Indian units to add to the pile. I'm extremely wary of entering into open terrain. I would love to just slowly go down through the jungle, bombarding and bombing for weeks, burning up his supply and disabling his troops. At current game date, Magwe is almost bombed out but I might stop where it's at now (~97 Oil left) as I can see myself taking possession of it within a few months. Beyond that, all of his supply needs to be shipped in. He has the CEA Command HQ somewhere in the theater, so he might not have as much trouble keeping the area supplied as I do... I also need to keep in mind that now that we're on the road outside of Akyab, his supply shipments can happen at least as often as mine. We'll see... one of my first moves is probably going to be on Ramree and I might just pause there for a while.

It also looks like he's giving up on Burma north of Mandalay anyway, in which case I'll happily scoop up those bases and start building them. Plenty of Chinese/Indian engineers available, and *2 multipliers on them all. Every drop counts...



I might have a lull in my workday for the next 30-45, but unsure if I can actually get an update up .

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 4/30/2015 4:23:12 PM   
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I have finally managed to get caught up to date with your AAR, Lokasenna. I have also read all of your opponents AAR. So, won't make any comments other than to say it has been great fun reading both of your AARs and that your war is damn interesting.

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Thanks! Really trying to get the thread caught up to the game, but doing turns takes precedence if I've got a couple minutes.

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 4/30/2015 4:27:18 PM   
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When you talk about taking Rangoon because of its VPs I wonder. You don't need those VPs until 45, until the game ends, by which time Rangoon will surely be Allied. So what's the hurry?

Massive battles involving huge Chinese forces will lose you VPs most likely. VPs you won't get a 2:1 ratio on at least, even with the low VP cost of Chinese forces. I've seen a 4:1 AV battle against dug in IJA troops where the Chinese lost massively and the Japanese suffered little. So in the end getting Rangoon now, in this way with the object of gaining its VPs is a losing battle in VP terms. It'll fall just as easily if you keep the pressure on with the Chinese, bombard daily with your extensive Allied supplies, work down his armies through the air and eventually either force them back due to supply constraints, fear of being cut off, or actually landing behind and cutting them off.

Getting to Rangoon for me is only necessary by 4/43 when I'll be getting ready to bomb the DEI with B-29s, and this move is right on target for that kind of timeframe. It's a strategic target and that is why it's worth so much in VPs I'd imagine, but the campaign to win it now is most likely not going to help you achieve 2:1 more quickly.


I agree. I'm not really trying to hurry, just trying to make sure that eventually taking it is possible. If I never move forward, I never take it...

So far, as long as I am able to knock the Japanese army into a retreat, I gain on the LCU VPs. I'm slowly getting more Aussie/Brit/Indian units to add to the pile. I'm extremely wary of entering into open terrain. I would love to just slowly go down through the jungle, bombarding and bombing for weeks, burning up his supply and disabling his troops. At current game date, Magwe is almost bombed out but I might stop where it's at now (~97 Oil left) as I can see myself taking possession of it within a few months. Beyond that, all of his supply needs to be shipped in. He has the CEA Command HQ somewhere in the theater, so he might not have as much trouble keeping the area supplied as I do... I also need to keep in mind that now that we're on the road outside of Akyab, his supply shipments can happen at least as often as mine. We'll see... one of my first moves is probably going to be on Ramree and I might just pause there for a while.

It also looks like he's giving up on Burma north of Mandalay anyway, in which case I'll happily scoop up those bases and start building them. Plenty of Chinese/Indian engineers available, and *2 multipliers on them all. Every drop counts...



I might have a lull in my workday for the next 30-45, but unsure if I can actually get an update up .


Just looked in Tracker now that I've got it loaded up. Between 12/03/43 and 12/08/43, I gained 230 VPs from IJA LCUs vs. losing only 26 VPs for mine. It's hard to separate the results at Taberfane from those in Burma, but it looks like Burma might have been about 50-60% of those points. Even the Chinese can beat tanks when the tanks are in the jungle with no supply. I'd like to repeat this if possible. His tanks are in the next hex with just a few of my units so far (I was slow in pursuing), but tanks move at half the speed of infantry through the jungle, so I might get to beat up on them again.

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 5/1/2015 8:26:37 AM   
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When you talk about taking Rangoon because of its VPs I wonder. You don't need those VPs until 45, until the game ends, by which time Rangoon will surely be Allied. So what's the hurry?

Massive battles involving huge Chinese forces will lose you VPs most likely. VPs you won't get a 2:1 ratio on at least, even with the low VP cost of Chinese forces. I've seen a 4:1 AV battle against dug in IJA troops where the Chinese lost massively and the Japanese suffered little. So in the end getting Rangoon now, in this way with the object of gaining its VPs is a losing battle in VP terms. It'll fall just as easily if you keep the pressure on with the Chinese, bombard daily with your extensive Allied supplies, work down his armies through the air and eventually either force them back due to supply constraints, fear of being cut off, or actually landing behind and cutting them off.

Getting to Rangoon for me is only necessary by 4/43 when I'll be getting ready to bomb the DEI with B-29s, and this move is right on target for that kind of timeframe. It's a strategic target and that is why it's worth so much in VPs I'd imagine, but the campaign to win it now is most likely not going to help you achieve 2:1 more quickly.


I agree. I'm not really trying to hurry, just trying to make sure that eventually taking it is possible. If I never move forward, I never take it...

So far, as long as I am able to knock the Japanese army into a retreat, I gain on the LCU VPs. I'm slowly getting more Aussie/Brit/Indian units to add to the pile. I'm extremely wary of entering into open terrain. I would love to just slowly go down through the jungle, bombarding and bombing for weeks, burning up his supply and disabling his troops. At current game date, Magwe is almost bombed out but I might stop where it's at now (~97 Oil left) as I can see myself taking possession of it within a few months. Beyond that, all of his supply needs to be shipped in. He has the CEA Command HQ somewhere in the theater, so he might not have as much trouble keeping the area supplied as I do... I also need to keep in mind that now that we're on the road outside of Akyab, his supply shipments can happen at least as often as mine. We'll see... one of my first moves is probably going to be on Ramree and I might just pause there for a while.

It also looks like he's giving up on Burma north of Mandalay anyway, in which case I'll happily scoop up those bases and start building them. Plenty of Chinese/Indian engineers available, and *2 multipliers on them all. Every drop counts...



Yep. Ramree would certainly help. What I've found in my game with no SL that even when the Allies massively outnumber the Japanese, if they're dug in and in x3 the first few attacks have potential to really take a toll on the Chinese especially. You know the layout and your opponent best thought, of course, and part of these choices is also knowing how he will respond. If he's giving up portions freely and you think he'll just leave token resistence to slow you up elsewhere, it's a totally different story.

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Just looked in Tracker now that I've got it loaded up. Between 12/03/43 and 12/08/43, I gained 230 VPs from IJA LCUs vs. losing only 26 VPs for mine. It's hard to separate the results at Taberfane from those in Burma, but it looks like Burma might have been about 50-60% of those points. Even the Chinese can beat tanks when the tanks are in the jungle with no supply. I'd like to repeat this if possible. His tanks are in the next hex with just a few of my units so far (I was slow in pursuing), but tanks move at half the speed of infantry through the jungle, so I might get to beat up on them again.


Interesting. Yes. Tanks don't do jungle well off road. Sounds good.

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 5/1/2015 6:01:57 PM   
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Yep. Ramree would certainly help. What I've found in my game with no SL that even when the Allies massively outnumber the Japanese, if they're dug in and in x3 the first few attacks have potential to really take a toll on the Chinese especially. You know the layout and your opponent best thought, of course, and part of these choices is also knowing how he will respond. If he's giving up portions freely and you think he'll just leave token resistence to slow you up elsewhere, it's a totally different story.



Yeah. Even a couple of my Indian divisions, some time back, really suffered. Despite outnumbering the IJA 2:1, the IJA was sitting in defensive positions. I needed more. Now I know. I'm taking the slow and lumbering approach here, and need to keep reminding myself of them. He's ceded control of the air outside of Rangoon, so I can sweep for periodic LRCAP and bomb at will. Even if I don't cause direct casualties, he'll burn supply for AA and suffer disruption. In those conditions, the Chinese seem to do OK when combined with some Indians and armor. Not a lot, but enough. Plodding along...

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 5/4/2015 8:39:04 PM   
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A good day that could have been even better...

Subs
Guardfish is located by ASW outside of Gebe (near Sorong), but this is the avenue for KB is they're coming for the Timor Sea...

And then:
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Sub attack near Manokwari at 87,104

Japanese Ships
CV Zuikaku
CA Chikuma
DD Hayanami
DD Fujinami
DD Suzunami
DD Shiranui
DD Kiyonami

Allied Ships
SS Runner, hits 1

SS Runner launches 6 torpedoes at CV Zuikaku


Ok, that wasn't great. Let's try again with the rear tubes!
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Sub attack near Manokwari at 87,104

Japanese Ships
CV Shokaku, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CA Chikuma
DD Hayanami
DD Fujinami
DD Suzunami
DD Shiranui
DD Kiyonami

Allied Ships
SS Runner

Ammo storage explosion on CV Shokaku
SS Runner launches 4 torpedoes at CV Shokaku


Belt armor penetration seen for both hits, but no "critical damage" or "severe flooding" seen. Damage might be in the 20s for System and Float. I they'll put out that fire with relative ease and that she's in no danger of sinking. Coming just a month or two after hitting Akagi up by Japan, it would have been great to put both "Kakus" out of action for a while too. Oh well.


I-32 retreats from an LCT on the surface somewhere in the Gilberts .

Timor Sea
BC Repulse & Gang trundle on in to Koepang harbor and make a mess of things. First, they sink a small PB (Kiso Maru, First of her Nam-...er, class) and 3 xAKs. The 5 mixed CLs actually bombard first, getting a reported 442 casualties amongst the IJA 18th Division and beating up the runways, damaging planes, etc. The BC and her buddies CA Hawkins and CA Dorsetshire get another 271 reported casualties, with more damaged planes. A handful also "DOG". Models include A6M5b Zero, George-1, Jill, and Ki-100-I.

Recon on Roti, outside Koepang, reveals only 7500 troops. Pretty weak, but I need to be able to actually get an invasion force to the island first.

15x P-38s follow the bombardments at Koepang with a sweep, and win handily against the 16 planes that make it up on CAP.

SSTs drop bits of the 3rd Australian Brigade at Ambon.

Helens hit DD Philip at Taberfane's port again and she has to be scuttled. Oh well.

36x B-24s bomb Koepang's airfield and only get a few hits. Recon shows that AF and port damage there is only in the 30s on the 9th...

Burma
11 (6 and then 5) Wellingtons drop mines at Rangoon. Somehow, they drop 14 mines. I've noticed this before - bombers on "Mine port" missions using a queer number of mines. Really strange.

Other stuff
Have noticed that he's building the airfield at Sidate (the base just SW of Manado, which is his nearest AF-9 to the Timor Sea) recently.




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Subs
Darter misses a good TK outside of Dadjangas, but Searaven sights another good TK outside of Makassar and damages her.

Haddock sinks an xAK with troops onboard SW of Yap.

Gilberts
22 Jacks and 18 Lilys fly against a TF loading up at Tarawa - from Mili, I think. Corsairs and Thuds on CAP at Tarawa shoot them all down for no loss.

Timor Sea
Night fighters are present at Boela for my attempted bombing this night. I think this is his first dedicated unit. J1N1-S, nothing too scary so far.

He noticed the Aussies at Ambon immediately, and the BBs Ise, Hyuga and CLs Naka and Agano bombard the place after it has flipped to my control. He only gets a few base hits. Helens bombing later do get a whopping 7 casualties. So far, Ambon as a distraction is going swimmingly. I planned to take it on a whim, simply to deny him the base for a short period of time, and maybe occupy assets that he would use otherwise in his response.

Today, it's Dili's turn to receive the 4E Train. Over 50 runway hits and tons of Georges blown up on the ground.

13 Bettys are shot down over Darwin.

Bombardment of Saumlaki by some of my CAs and DDs gets 300 casualties and just a few hits on the base...

Burma
40 Frank-a's sweep Cox's Bazar, which was empty anyway... prompting me to remember that I had inbound ships and didn't set up CAP. 13 Bettys followup and plant 2 bombs on an xAK's deck. They sink it and 1 YMS in the afternoon.

8 more Wellingtons drop mines at Rangoon.

Some tussles outside of Akyab as a few groups of my 2E's get lucky against leaky CAP.

Other stuff
Gove's port expands to 4. Neglected to mention that Makassar is also an AF-9, along with Manado... but if I can get Timor, I can put Makassar out of business in short order.

The base force fragment of his outside of Moresby is wiped out by my USA ID. I sent the whole division in the hopes of getting them a couple of points of EXP boost.

Nothing worth taking a picture of today, so here's a shot of the Strategic Map filtered for TFs. You can see something of my general sub deployment, as well as my areas of activity in the Solomons and Darwin/Gove/Normanton area.




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How's your luck with subs along the Indochina coastline?

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How's your luck with subs along the Indochina coastline?


It's periodic. I'm getting better results around the coast of Luzon and Formosa, but obviously am getting attacked by ASW more often there.

There is a single shallow water hex in the middle of the South China Sea that I have had some success near - it is along the default routing for convoys from Singapore to the East China Sea area... but I think he is varying his routes. I'm not positive. I'm searching for them with the subs near Samah.

I have some PZ's set up to the SE of Saigon that get attacks off sometimes. The ones that are SW of Saigon haven't gotten anything, though.

Am also getting a lot between Davao and Balikpapan, and to the NE of Miri along the coast.

Frankly, I need to reallocate a lot of my subs from fleet support/IJN movement intel operations to convoy interdiction. I think I've hurt him long term in terms of Oil and Supply, and am wondering if I can make him really feel crunched in late '44 as the pace of operations steps up. His resistance might start crumbling... that's the hope, anyway.



That reminds me - he repaired a lot of the damage I did at Medan! I think that cost him more than he'll make back.

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Pax Mondo had a formula for repairing oil....if he could continue to ship oil from the base for 90 days I seem to recall he would repair it. Against the AI.

Or something like that. I remember being shocked at how short a payback he was looking for.

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Is he not running ASW air near the coasts? Seems like I'd get pummeled against Nick over by the coast there. Those deep water channels from Borne to Mindanao and Babs are trouble for the Japanese. I've mostly stopped using Babs but have a few things to keep subs focused there while convoys go elsewhere.

Torsten is getting a lot of hits against me up in No Pac and right around the HI. I think I've got that covered better now, but for a while it was 1-2 ships a day.

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Is he not running ASW air near the coasts? Seems like I'd get pummeled against Nick over by the coast there. Those deep water channels from Borne to Mindanao and Babs are trouble for the Japanese. I've mostly stopped using Babs but have a few things to keep subs focused there while convoys go elsewhere.

Torsten is getting a lot of hits against me up in No Pac and right around the HI. I think I've got that covered better now, but for a while it was 1-2 ships a day.


There's air ASW all over the place near the frontlines, and now in the Celebes. Also near Truk and the Marianas. And mid-ocean bubbles of DL 10/10 is almost a sure indicator of KB's presence. But my boats between Balikpapan and Davao are only intermittently sighted from the air, and those near the NW coast of Luzon are not always detected either. They get attacked by surface ASW assets (he seems to have built a lot of the CHa-class, which I skip as they never upgrade beyond Type 95 DCs), but that's it.

Those in the South China Sea are pretty much never sighted, including those on the coast. This in itself is a valuable piece of intel, but it just almost-confirms something I've already suspected: all of his available air support is at the front, with barely any in the back lines.

I'm pretty pleased with my sub war thus far. I figure I can't count on them to sink anything, so whatever they sink is a bonus. I just went through for December, which has seemed a lighter month than usual for sub casualties, perhaps because of my offensive ops and repositioning subs in case KB comes a certain way. Subs sank 1 AMC, 6 xAK, 1 PB, 2 TK, and 1 xAKL with probables on 1 TK, 1 AO, and 1 xAK.

I didn't count any probables or possibles for November, but the confirmed totals were 6 xAK, 2 AM, 3 xAKL, 1 AV, 3 TK, 1 PB, 1 APD, and 2 xAP. It's worth noting that SS Archerfish sank both of those AMs within about a week of each other. Gotta get her secrets to laser-guided torpedoes out to the rest of the sub fleet...

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Good results. You're probably right about his air units. Good to know for you.

I like the sub war as Allies. Very fun, and really diverse depending on the opponent.

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Good results. You're probably right about his air units. Good to know for you.

I like the sub war as Allies. Very fun, and really diverse depending on the opponent.


I'm really enjoying it also. Sometimes it's tedious, and I know I'm leaving boats in suboptimal or even worthless patrol zones because there's just so many.

I've lost 25 fleet boats, including 1 on 12/7 to a port strike. Also lost 4 S-boats, 3 K-type Dutch boats, and 1 O-type Dutch boat. Pretty light losses, I think? I have lost 6 fleet boats in November/December, but I've also been more aggressive with them. Going into known minefields, base hexes, etc.

In comparison, my other game has seen my subs used much more for transport in order to keep pockets of troops alive at bases just behind his lines (the air war is very different - it's Scen 2 and he's much further ahead in R&D), and due to his forward deployment of heavy naval assets I've deployed more subs for "combat" missions than economic missions. Possibly a mistake on my part, but I'm also in a much better map/VP position in that game so I'm OK with it. Losses among subs are also lighter in that game by about 30%.

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Well, we've made it to January 4, 1944. Remember how Batan Island was still under US Army control? I re-read the manual after an email. Kamikaze conversions can begin and so they have.

I'm still back at New Ireland and such - many, many more hexes than the 15 from Tokyo, Takao, or Saigon. I am apprehensive about the amount of "fun" I am going to have, especially considering the amount of beating myself I've done in this game (flushing a few ships here and a few ships there for no gain). I'll complete the turn later. For now, I'm debating counters.

Do I simply run some CVs with 90-plane fighter groups? I don't even know. There's a reason the phrase is "the bomber will always get through." Even though we had a sync bug this turn, I experienced it in my replay where 22 Jills escorted by a meagre 20-30 fighters broke through a 150-plane CAP with in-hex radar and good weather: 6 made it to drop against ships in my replay, although they didn't hit anything. And I experienced it writ large back in May when I invaded Moresby... not looking forward to 81-plane kamikaze units where 20 or so of them punch through my CAP when I'm barely across the International Date Line on the map.

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Think of using the DD pickets a few hexes in front of the fleet to serve as sponges for strikes. Good radar and hard to hit, in range of bleeding CAP. He'll have good shots with kamis, but if you're taking strategic targets, that's fine. Jocke against me is a good example. How many CV/CVL/CVE were lost landing in Korea? Yet that effectively ended the game.

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Think of using the DD pickets a few hexes in front of the fleet to serve as sponges for strikes. Good radar and hard to hit, in range of bleeding CAP. He'll have good shots with kamis, but if you're taking strategic targets, that's fine. Jocke against me is a good example. How many CV/CVL/CVE were lost landing in Korea? Yet that effectively ended the game.


Hrm, perhaps.

I had a thought while doing dishes () that I should probably use TF dispersion, or at least many smaller TFs in one hex rather than lazying about with one TF. Harder to detect, even if it is effectively a giant fleet, and harder to do catastrophic damage. The only risk factor I can think of is against surface fleets, but I'm OK with using larger SCTFs as protection because those seem to be the least vulnerable ships to kami attacks, yeah? I mean they're going to hit BBs OK because they're bigger/slower, and probably even cruisers, but Fletchers... enough should live to still be able to provide that surface protection.

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 5/13/2015 11:39:02 PM   
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I am about to invade Japan against Mind-Messing in our Downfall game. Within the next two turns. Well maybe four depending how I want to set up an ablative shield for the first kamikazes.

I figure there will be a 2000 plane strike against me...I thought for the first days to cycle in DD task forces to set up pickets against his shipping, attract the shorter range cap as I move the landing ships into position hopefully drawing the longer ranged CAP.

So far his kamikazes have been less than effective, but pilot training starts off poor in Downfall and now I will be facing pilots trained for a month and half.

It will be interesting.

3 Nick kamikazes can put down a Fletcher...usually.


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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 5/14/2015 6:07:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I am about to invade Japan against Mind-Messing in our Downfall game. Within the next two turns. Well maybe four depending how I want to set up an ablative shield for the first kamikazes.

I figure there will be a 2000 plane strike against me...I thought for the first days to cycle in DD task forces to set up pickets against his shipping, attract the shorter range cap as I move the landing ships into position hopefully drawing the longer ranged CAP.

So far his kamikazes have been less than effective, but pilot training starts off poor in Downfall and now I will be facing pilots trained for a month and half.

It will be interesting.

3 Nick kamikazes can put down a Fletcher...usually.



Or one Helen/Peggy.



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