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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/9/2016 9:03:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Back to Sorong - August 12, 1944

Wonder if he's unloading troops? Picking them up wouldn't fit within his MO this game. His use of Lolobato here is relatively recent, too. We'll see what we catch with this group of Fletchers, now that they're no longer needed at Sorong itself.




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/9/2016 9:08:06 PM   
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Now is probably a good time for an update given that things are about to get interesting.

Allied VPs: +2230
Japan VPs: +1842

Ratio: 1.029:1 against, change of just +.008 for the last 12 days. This is because of the CVEs, but as mentioned before - a necessary sacrifice.

Allied a/c: 765 lost
Japan a/c: 1456 lost




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/9/2016 10:51:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I knew there was another post I wanted to do before I left work, but couldn't remember what it was until I got in the car. Force allocations, at least as planned in this initial load. There's lots more at Colombo, though little if any of it is earmarked for here. I may be better served by landing the Sibolga stuff at Sabang on Day 3. We'll see. I wasn't kidding around on the AA prep for this one.

Sabang - 2030 AV + base forces, 171 AvSupp
INF - 25th USA Division (391)
INF - 36th Indian Division (514)
INF - 475th USA Regiment (115)
INF - 5th Indian Division (409)
INF - 81st West African Division (350)

ARM - Provisional Tank Brigade (134)

ENG - XV Corps Cbt Engi (48)
ENG - II Aus Corps Cbt Engi (38)
ENG - 209th Cbt Engi (31)

AA - 7th Marine AA Bn
AA - 8th Marine AA Bn
AA - 607th Coastal AA
AA - 612th Coastal AA
AA - 101st Heavy AA
AA - 200th & 515th Coastal AA

BF - 122nd RAF Base Force
BF - 113rd RN Base Force
BF - 114th RN Base Force
BF - 293 Wing

CD - 6th RAA Coastal Artillery

Sinabang - 130 AV, 150 AvSupp
INF - 46th Independent Regiment (130)

ENG - 880th EAB

AA - 56th Australian Light AA
AA - 118th Light AA

BF - 38th Aviation Battalion
BF - 189 Wing

Sibola (?) - 816 AV + BFs, 32 AvSupp
INF - 2nd NZ Brigade (154)
INF - 14th NZ Brigade (154)
INF - 23rd Chindit Brigade (166)
INF - 25th Australian Brigade (139)

ARM - 11th PAVO Regiment (52)
ARM - 268th Motorised Brigade (151)

BF - 144th USA Base Force
BF - 163rd USA Base Force

ENG - Tenth USAAF EAB

HQ - III Indian Corps

AA - 20th Indian Heavy AA
AA - 16th Indian Heavy AA
AA - 2nd Australian Heavy AA

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/10/2016 3:19:37 AM   
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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/10/2016 5:15:33 AM   
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No wonder his aircraft losses have been twice yours!


I don't quite follow . He actually hasn't used many kamikazes, maybe only 4-5 attacks with them so far. It's the large Jill groups that get decimated, really.

I was going to post some screenshots of my aircraft pools. They aren't exactly dire, but they are hurting. I have to be careful right now.

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/10/2016 4:40:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, for some reason I thought that was my last turn before the latest partial turn. It's not! I've got another day to post.

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/10/2016 4:42:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

No wonder his aircraft losses have been twice yours!


I don't quite follow . He actually hasn't used many kamikazes, maybe only 4-5 attacks with them so far. It's the large Jill groups that get decimated, really.

I was going to post some screenshots of my aircraft pools. They aren't exactly dire, but they are hurting. I have to be careful right now.

I was referring to your AA you have and a snippet a couple of posts above:

quote:

Allied a/c: 765 lost
Japan a/c: 1456 lost




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/10/2016 5:05:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sent the Fletchers to Lolobato to catch some xAKs/xAPs, but encountered DDs instead. Also contacted CL Oi and 3 DDs in the daytime phase and traded a few shell hits. They may have been trying to go back to Sorong to hit my stuff, but got turned back.

These are attacked a couple of times during the day by Frances from Manado, but all torpedoes/bombs miss.




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/10/2016 5:07:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

No wonder his aircraft losses have been twice yours!


I don't quite follow . He actually hasn't used many kamikazes, maybe only 4-5 attacks with them so far. It's the large Jill groups that get decimated, really.

I was going to post some screenshots of my aircraft pools. They aren't exactly dire, but they are hurting. I have to be careful right now.

I was referring to your AA you have and a snippet a couple of posts above:

quote:

Allied a/c: 765 lost
Japan a/c: 1456 lost





Oh. Most of his losses have actually been in the air - over 14,000 of them. Only about 1200 to flak so far. I haven't brought a lot of AA, and he seems to prefer attacking ships with his planes, which means my CAP gets more of a workout.

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/10/2016 5:08:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		A mid-bombardment shot of Lautem from August 12. I think we'll slowly make progress here, even with what's there right now.




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/10/2016 5:08:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		We attack again at Sorong on the 12th, but it doesn't do as well as we'd hoped. Still, acceptable.




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/10/2016 5:11:35 PM   
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We sent about a dozen DDs down from Little Andaman - some to stand off north of Sabang, and others to bombard Sabang (and scout out that minefield). 3 of them hit big Type 88 mines, but hopefully "locating" the minefield means fewer losses tomorrow.

An air strike finishes one of the damaged DDs, and another is hit. All 3 will probably be lost.

Spotting reports to the west have a handful of invasion TFs in each hex spotted, but the northern CV group is not spotted. He sees a few "destroyed by CAP" messages, so he knows they're there. Unsure if he knows exactly how strong the CV forces are.




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/10/2016 9:54:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Southern Army is at Lautem? A bit forward for the Command HQ right?

Good move to get the mines "seen" by your DDs. You do have some DMS/AM with the family here right?

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/11/2016 4:54:01 PM   
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Southern Army is at Lautem? A bit forward for the Command HQ right?

Good move to get the mines "seen" by your DDs. You do have some DMS/AM with the family here right?


Every TF has at least one AM, DMS, or YMS type. The bigger amphibious TFs have multiple DMS.

And yeah, I don't know what's going on with the Southern Army HQ. My only guess is that he really wanted to kill my LCUs back when he was attacking, and so did the whole prep thing. I actually don't know if that would ever even apply when he's attacking at a base that he controls?

On the other hand, where else would he use it? The only real use I've found for Southern Army as Japan in this part of the war is for the magical "pool up to 75k supplies here" thing, which isn't even really that useful except to create a pseudo-stockpiling effect.

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/11/2016 9:57:00 PM   
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Alright, our paradrop targets are pretty much officially exhausted at this point, unless future recon shows Battambang and Siem Reap un/underdefended. We'll use C-47s from Rangoon to fly in reinforcements to Prachuap, that nifty little base SW of Bangkok.

Looks like he started movement SW from Bangkok last turn in response to the Sumatra kickoff. But we just closed the rails, so he's not going to be getting to the southern part of Malaysia by train anytime soon. Assuming he's now forced to march regularly to Prachuap, it will be a few weeks before he even arrives. I'm not sure, but I think if he already set to Strat mode and set the destination to points south, they might move via rail until they reach Prachuap anyway... or just outside of it? That's what the westward movement says to me, anyway, with the assumption that he set them into Strat mode before setting the movement order. Who knows...

We should reach Hue with our Burmese infantry battalion in a couple of days. I think it might be empty, as well as Tourane. Since kamis are already active, these actions have no bad consequences for me.




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/11/2016 10:10:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Operation Gibbet - D minus 1; August 13, 1944

I'm finding the dates I'm putting up top to be a bit weird. Since I am doing the screens "ahead of time", such as it is, what I'm labeling D minus 1 for August 13 is actually a D-day of August 13, but they landings haven't occurred yet and won't until I take the August 14 shots. But you get the idea...




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/11/2016 10:10:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Air transport TFs on the way. Should've sent these sooner, but it didn't occur to me until a few weeks ago.




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/11/2016 10:11:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Results of the Balikpapan raid on August 12. Nice!




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/11/2016 10:19:40 PM   
Lokasenna


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Status: offline 		A peak up north, where I have recently sent subs. They are finding a target-rich environment, with few or sometimes even no escorts (!) for the xAKs. Subs are not being detected via air search at all. More subs on the way.

We have reconned the easternmost Kuriles periodically. Onnekotan is defended by a division plus supports, and Paramushiro maybe is also. Shimushiri is weaker, with what looks like a brigade. SIGINT confirms some of the force allocations. I can't see much past Shimushiri with my existing planes.

He's built some of the bases, but not much. He likes to build to the SPS and then stop and move the engineers somewhere else.




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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/11/2016 11:16:54 PM   
Lokasenna


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Status: offline 		So I do have the combat replay and text file for the 13th. Here's the text file, which I have thus far skimmed. Good bits pulled out. We'll try some obvert-style coloring here since it's such a pile of text. Haven't even watched the replay yet to get the full details... hopefully I'll have the turn itself by tomorrow sometime.

August 13, 1944

Night Time Surface Combat, near Sorong at 83,105, Range 4,000 Yards
2 hexes due N of Sansapor, so our DDs are doing their job

Japanese Ships
CL Oi
DD Isonami
DD Sagiri
DD Amagiri
DD Ushio

Allied Ships
DD Bullard
DD Capps
DD Erben
DD Guest
DD Haggard
DD Hazelwood
DD Johnston
DD Miller
DD Sigourney
DD Yarnall

Reduced sighting due to 28% moonlight

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Night Air attack on Medan , at 46,76
Finally, our stuff flies. They didn't fly yesterday.

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.VI x 7
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed on ground
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.VI: 2 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 27

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Night Air attack on Medan , at 46,76

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 22

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Night Air attack on Medan , at 46,76

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 3

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Night Air attack on Medan , at 46,76

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 12

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Night Air attack on Chumphon , at 52,66
Just in case he had brought in some planes in reaction to yesterday's sweep, although I don't think there is any AvSupp present here. Just a Const Bn.

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 4

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 10

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Submarine attack near Sapporo at 119,50
Example of the kinds of attacks I'm getting lately. I think I've sunk 5-6 ships so far.

Japanese Ships
xAK Yamayuri Maru, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Blackfin

xAK Yamayuri Maru is sighted by SS Blackfin
SS Blackfin attacking xAK Yamayuri Maru on the surface

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TF 367 encounters mine field at Sabang (44,70)
Doing their jobs... between today and mines hit/cleared yesterday, it's somewhere around 60 mines cleared.

Allied Ships
DMS Chandler

11 mines cleared

TF 376 encounters mine field at Sabang (44,70)

Allied Ships
AM Fidelity
YMS BYMS-2168
YMS BYMS-2061

39 mines cleared

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TF 369 encounters mine field at 51,84
Just dropped 40 Dutch mines 1 hex E of Singapore this turn using SS O20. Pays off right away.

Japanese Ships
PB Showa Maru #5
TK Daihaku Maru, Mine hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

2 mines cleared

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Morotai at 80,102
Lucky there wasn't leaky CAP up here

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 15 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-5 Dauntless x 2

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Maikaze

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 56th Division, at 72,115 (Lautem)
One of our raids here. No casualties, but hopefully causing disruption. Not really eating up any supplies from AA, though... might drop my altitude a bit.

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 10
F4U-1A Corsair x 42
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 11

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 5th Division ...
Also attacking 103rd Division ...
Also attacking 56th Division ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sabang at 44,70
CAP is not as heavy as I would have liked, but it doesn't matter...

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 115 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 20
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 9

Allied aircraft
Hellcat I x 15
FM-2 Wildcat x 18
F4U-1A Corsair x 17
F6F-3 Hellcat x 87

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 7 destroyed
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 6 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVE Begum

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-49-IIb Helen flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sansapor at 84,106
This TF was ordered to bombard Sansapor from Biak, a distance of 6 hexes. They didn't get there and didn't bombard. I thought Michael had fixed this in the .10 patch, but I guess it's still occurring. Won't know details until I receive the turn. Either way, it's still a few months more than likely...

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 52 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 6 damaged
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CL Mobile
CA Salt Lake City, Torpedo hits 1
CA Pensacola, Torpedo hits 1

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Naval bombardment of Sabang at 44,70
It seemed like all of the BBs I had present to mix in with the landing TFs were going to be extreme overkill for the resistance I was going to get on the beaches, so I went ahead and used BB Valiant with 1 DD to bombard, with remain on station set. Daytime bombardment here. Not too bad. Looks like only Jakes (maybe already damaged) are left at the base?

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
BB Valiant

Japanese ground losses:
157 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 17

BB Valiant firing at Sabang

Landings begin here - lots of them, and I've included all of them. Combats are at the bottom, somewhat truncated. All forces with 100% prep and yet some stuff still lost in the water. I wonder if that's a side effect of using xAPs/xAKs for pretty much every force, particularly the West African division? Perhaps simply because of the sheer numbers - I used many more xAPs than necessary so that the troops would be ashore faster.
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Pre-Invasion action off Sabang (44,70)

104 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
PG Soerabaja
LST-120
LST-203

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

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Amphibious Assault at Sabang (44,70)

TF 353 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 44,70

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Pre-Invasion action off Sabang (44,70)

57 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Queen Elizabeth
CL Hedeby
DD Petard
APA Pierce
DD Quality

Japanese ground losses:
301 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Amphibious Assault at Sabang (44,70)

TF 367 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 44,70

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Motorized Support accidentally lost during unload of 25th Infantry Div /5
12 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 25th Infantry Div /10

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Pre-Invasion action off Sabang (44,70)

48 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DD Queensborough
DMS Emmons
DD Penn
APA Warren
LCI-335
LCI-400

Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Amphibious Assault at Sabang (44,70)

TF 370 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 44,70

Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

12 troops of a Ind Inf Section 44 accidentally lost during unload of 36th Indian Div /4
10 troops of a Brit Inf Section 43 lost in surf during unload of 36th Indian Div /9

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Pre-Invasion action off Sabang (44,70)

36 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DMS Boggs
AM Revenge
DD Mertz
AKA Aquarius

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Amphibious Assault at Sabang (44,70)

TF 374 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 44,70

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

M4 Sherman Tank lost overboard during unload of Provisionl Tank Bde

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Pre-Invasion action off Sabang (44,70)

52 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
AM Fidelity
YMS BYMS-2168
LST-245
LST-221
LST-272

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Amphibious Assault at Sabang (44,70)

TF 376 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 44,70

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Pre-Invasion action off Sabang (44,70)

78 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DMS Macomb
APD Kane
APD Gregory
APA Highlands

Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

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Amphibious Assault at Sabang (44,70)

TF 380 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 44,70

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

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Pre-Invasion action off Sabang (44,70)

43 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
APD Walter B. Cobb
APD Hopping
LCI-75

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Amphibious Assault at Sabang (44,70)

TF 381 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 44,70

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Amphibious Assault at Sinabang (42,76)

TF 383 troops unloading over beach at Sinabang, 42,76

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

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Amphibious Assault at Sinabang (42,76)

TF 387 troops unloading over beach at Sinabang, 42,76

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Pre-Invasion action off Sabang (44,70)

70 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DE Thomason
KV Fritillary
KV Nigella
xAP Koolinda

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Amphibious Assault at Sabang (44,70)

TF 400 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 44,70

12 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 114th RN Base Force /3
12 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 114th RN Base Force /4
12 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 113th RN Base Force /5
12 Naval Support troops lost in surf during unload of 114th RN Base Force /5
12 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 122nd RAF Base Force /5

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Pre-Invasion action off Sabang (44,70)

65 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
PF Albuquerque
AM Velocity
AM Requisite
AKA Athene

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

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Amphibious Assault at Sabang (44,70)

TF 401 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 44,70

12 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 6th RAA Cst Art Rgt /4

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Pre-Invasion action off Sabang (44,70)

69 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
PF Pocatello
AM Firm
AM Token
AK Brevard

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Amphibious Assault at Sabang (44,70)

TF 402 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 44,70

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

37mm M3 AT Gun dropped into water during unload of 475th USA Rgt
13 troops of a USA 44 Rifle Squad lost overboard during unload of 475th USA Rgt /3
13 troops of a USA 44 Rifle Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 475th USA Rgt /4

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Pre-Invasion action off Sabang (44,70)

45 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
SC Daring
AK Zaurak
DD Nestor

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Amphibious Assault at Sabang (44,70)

TF 404 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 44,70

Allied ground losses:
174 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

12 troops of a African Rifle Sqd lost overboard during unload of 81st (West African) Div /1
12 troops of a African Rifle Sqd lost in surf during unload of 81st (West African) Div
12 troops of a African Rifle Sqd lost in surf during unload of 81st (West African) Div
12 troops of a African Rifle Sqd lost in surf during unload of 81st (West African) Div /4
12 troops of a African Rifle Sqd lost in surf during unload of 81st (West African) Div /5
12 troops of a African Rifle Sqd lost from landing craft during unload of 81st (West African) Div /6
12 troops of a African Rifle Sqd accidentally lost during unload of 81st (West African) Div /7
12 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 81st (West African) Div /7
12 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 81st (West African) Div /8
12 troops of a African Rifle Sqd lost overboard during unload of 81st (West African) Div /9
12 troops of a African Rifle Sqd lost in surf during unload of 81st (West African) Div /10
12 troops of a African Rifle Sqd accidentally lost during unload of 81st (West African) Div /11
12 troops of a African Rifle Sqd lost from landing craft during unload of 81st (West African) Div /11

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Pre-Invasion action off Sabang (44,70)

46 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
SC-632
xAP Wallingford

Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Amphibious Assault at Sabang (44,70)

TF 406 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 44,70

12 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 293 Wing
12 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 293 Wing
12 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 293 Wing

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Pre-Invasion action off Sabang (44,70)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

18 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DD Worden
xAK Dominion Park, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Amphibious Assault at Sabang (44,70)

TF 407 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 44,70

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Pre-Invasion action off Sabang (44,70)

62 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
xAK Jacob Luckenbach
xAK Robert Luckenbach
DD Frankford
LST 208

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Amphibious Assault at Sabang (44,70)

TF 411 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 44,70

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Ground combat at Sabang (44,70)
Shouldn't have any trouble taking the place in a single attack, I think. From the IJA casualties, forts look low. And look how many of my guns made it ashore - go go AGC/HQm bonus.

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 9014 troops, 58 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 323

Defending force 41810 troops, 676 guns, 587 vehicles, Assault Value = 1624

Japanese ground losses:
113 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
70th Division
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
22nd Air Flotilla
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment

Defending units:
Provisionl Tank Brigade
25th Infantry Division
209th Combat Engineer Battalion
XV Corps Engr Bn /1
6th RAA Cst Art Rgt /2
36th Indian Div /1
475th USA Rgt /2
81st (West African) Div /2
113th RN Base Force /2
114th RN Base Force /2
293 Wing /1
122nd RAF Base Force /2
118th Light AA Rgt /1

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Ground combat at Sansapor (83,107)
Should be ours next turn.

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12896 troops, 244 guns, 246 vehicles, Assault Value = 510

Defending force 7671 troops, 65 guns, 45 vehicles, Assault Value = 41

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Allied adjusted assault: 119

Japanese adjusted defense: 73

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
880 casualties reported
Squads: 45 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 7 (7 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Ground combat at Lautem (72,115)
Assuming my supplies can hold up, I'm going to keep this up. A new unit moved into the hex this turn, hoping that's what my guys hit. I'm not terribly concerned by my casualty numbers, because my AV doesn't matter right now but his supplies do. The 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment moved into the hex for him this turn.

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24678 troops, 530 guns, 653 vehicles, Assault Value = 1319

Defending force 70246 troops, 742 guns, 581 vehicles, Assault Value = 1970

Japanese ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
74 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Ground combat at Cam Ranh Bay (64,72)
Almost! I think I will try again next turn, since he has no AvSupp here and therefore CAP is not as likely.

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 255 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9

Defending force 96 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 7

Japanese adjusted defense: 7

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
111th Chindit Bde /7

Defending units:
Cam Ranh Fortress

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I'm most curious to see what my unload rates were. Yes, I'm actually going to try to quantify the bonus from the HQm/AGC combo. Pertinent info for future landings, if I can glean any.

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The turn is returned. Back to the top of the subforum!

I'm most curious to see what my unload rates were. Yes, I'm actually going to try to quantify the bonus from the HQm/AGC combo. Pertinent info for future landings, if I can glean any.

I am not sure if it increases the unload rates - I always thought of the Amphib Force/AGC helping reduce losses during embarkment/debarkment of the landing craft. No boat collisions and such.

It will be hard to sort out the unload rate question if there are Amphibious Truk and similar landing assistance units.

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quote:

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The turn is returned. Back to the top of the subforum!

I'm most curious to see what my unload rates were. Yes, I'm actually going to try to quantify the bonus from the HQm/AGC combo. Pertinent info for future landings, if I can glean any.

I am not sure if it increases the unload rates - I always thought of the Amphib Force/AGC helping reduce losses during embarkment/debarkment of the landing craft. No boat collisions and such.

It will be hard to sort out the unload rate question if there are Amphibious Truk and similar landing assistance units.


It definitely increases the unload rate, as stated in these threads I looked up a few weeks ago:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3402290&mpage=1&key=� leading to
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3260766&mpage=1&key=agc%EF%BF%BD leading to
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2799794&mpage=1&key=agc%EF%BF%BD

Also, http://www.matrixgames.com/FORUMS/tm.asp?m=3152593&mpage=1&key=� with the following:
quote:


quoting michaelm:
"The Amphib HQ bonus applies to the hex. However the TF with the AGC will get an additional bonus for itself, even if it isn't carrying an Amphib HQ (AGC has the command and control ability. However, loading a non-amphHq will be constrained by normal loading limits)."

so, the ForceHQ applies to the whole hex - all TFs (unloading bonus) and on-land LCUs (combat bonus).
the AGC gives an unload bonus to its TF only.

more from michaelm:
"An Amphib HQ present in the TF increases the Amphibious unloading rate.
It is increased more if the Amphib HQ is on board an AGC.

If an AGC is present without a HQ, then the bonus is smaller.

Preparing the AmphibHQ for the target further increases the unloading rate."


Also, I have some basic data. Some of the numbers are insane. Will post shortly. I could look for amphibious truck stuff, but the only naval support I brought was in the British BFs. 75 of that made it ashore - that's not nothing, but it's also not huge. So far as I know, none of the other units have landing parties/etc.

Edit: Also, TFs unload in order of number - lowest to highest. The BFs were in TF 400. That is after 7 TFs (2 of which didn't unload except for 1 point of supply each per ship - presumably because no Ops remaining).

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Ignore the 3/13 and 3/14 instead of 8/13 and 8/14 error here... nothing to see, move along.




Things worth noting:
--Just 1 "turn" of unloading (phase - PM only)
--The 2 big TFs, 367 and 370, unloaded prior to TF 400 with the naval support.
--Some of the averages are a bit guesswork, but I did look at the individual load levels for the odd-ship TFs in some cases (those with just 1 AK and the rest xAPs, for example).
--The bonus seems variable.

Stated APA/AKA/LSD/LSV/LSI(L) unload rate is 3000 points per ship per turn. Average for TF 367 was just 2315 per ship (all APA), although some of that was supply. Maybe supply unloads more slowly. I wrote in the spreadsheet that 2300 was huge, but I was remembering the AP/AK unload rate: 600.

But let's move down to the xAPs. TF 404 had an AK unload 1811 points, and the full average for the TF was just under 818 per ship. The xAP average was 718.4 - almost 3 times the stated rate of 250 points per ship. The HQm/AGC(/potentially 75 naval support on the beach) increased the unloading rate past the point of a regular military AP/AK. I didn't get details on TF 402's AK, but the effect looks similar. Likewise for TF 401.

For TF 374 I wrote that the AKA is pulling the average down because it didn't unload as much as the LSDs, from checking the 2 saves.


So.... mixed results. Perhaps there's a check, and perhaps it's random(-ish)? Perhaps the HQm/AGC only provides a bonus to the civilian ships? I couldn't find anything in the manual about naval support assisting with unloading over a hostile beach. Page 127-8 is the relevant section. Still, the xAPs definitely unloaded far faster than their regular rate. Even the TF 400 itself, which was just xAPs and had the naval support on it (so presumably wasn't benefiting itself?), unloaded 463.53 points per ship in a single unloading phase. That's almost double the stated unload amount of 250 for xAPs.

HQm with 100% prep, and obviously all other units with 100% prep.

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If my opponent has any Independent air units anywhere on the map at a base that falls under the Southern Army umbrella, when they take replacements and need to pull from the HQ of the base that they're at, it's going to suck the supply out of Lautem. I hope he has a lot of them sitting around, eating planes.

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Status: offline 		Very interesting spreadsheet. I think if you put in a couple of separate columns to compare equipment separate from supply it might clarify things. Some big pieces of equipment use up more than one unload cycle of ops points. e.g - radars. The AA units might have radars? And for units that are all "non-combat troops", the troops do not unload until the equipment that they use unloads. Tank crews stay with their tank, gunners with their gun, etc.

I'm not talking about an item by item line on the equipment, but looking at individual ships shows the equipment/supply tonnage left on board so that figure should be easy to extract.

The Ops thought is worth checking- the ships will show ops points used. Could they have refuelled from an AO when they got to the target? Engaged enemy guns?

It almost looks like the Amphib. Force HQ took all the landing boats in the fleet and allocated them to the infantry units first, leaving the AA with nothing to work with?

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Very interesting spreadsheet. I think if you put in a couple of separate columns to compare equipment separate from supply it might clarify things. Some big pieces of equipment use up more than one unload cycle of ops points. e.g - radars. The AA units might have radars? And for units that are all "non-combat troops", the troops do not unload until the equipment that they use unloads. Tank crews stay with their tank, gunners with their gun, etc.

I'm not talking about an item by item line on the equipment, but looking at individual ships shows the equipment/supply tonnage left on board so that figure should be easy to extract.

The Ops thought is worth checking- the ships will show ops points used. Could they have refuelled from an AO when they got to the target? Engaged enemy guns?

It almost looks like the Amphib. Force HQ took all the landing boats in the fleet and allocated them to the infantry units first, leaving the AA with nothing to work with?


Right, I didn't get too gritty at first because I wanted to see about things, and obviously there is going to be a "remainder" in terms of unloading capability left if large devices don't get unloaded.

I did what you're suggesting for the odd-man-out ships, like the AK in with the xAPs and the APDs, but via comments because I didn't want to clutter the sheet (those red triangles). Comment is like: "8/13 180 = 102t+0c+26s
8/14 ? = 0t+0c+15s"

It gets a little funny for "cross-loaded" equipment/squads - I'm not sure whether the capacity used or the actual size/load of the device is what's used for the unloading. That APD comment example shows this: its full capacity of 180 (troops only) was used on 102 troops and 26 supply, so the 26 supply actually takes up 78 space (an even *3), and what unloaded was then 102 troops and 11 supply for a total "load cost" in that instance of 135. But I don't know if the APD was limited to 113 unload or 135. But that's really more gritty than I want to get. I just want to know how big the bonus is for unloading, in rough terms, and how it works - is it 100% reliable, or random? It looks pretty reliable for xAP types in this single day of data, but didn't appear to do anything for the APAs.


It's worth noting that the first things ashore for the British aviation support unit I sent were the radars, though. Also the base forces unloaded the radars. The AA units - I'm not sure why they didn't unload, nor the big xAK supply TF, except perhaps they were out of Ops from running to the beaches at full speed (6 hexes out and their max speed is 6)? They weren't the only TFs doing that, but maybe they had to refuel? I haven't dug into that yet. It should be fine, though - the AA units are on all LST's, which should unload completely in a single phase, so the AA will be present and in combat mode for any air strikes on the coming day. That's most of what we brought them for.

The Tank Brigade and 25th USA division both unloaded completely. The 36th Indian isn't far from unloaded.

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Alright, lots of thoughts. Taking my time since it's been 2 weeks since I sent this turn off, so I need to regain my bearings. I've been thinking about this for such a long time, in the abstract, that I'm just looking at details now. The broad strokes are already accomplished.

Initial thought: I should've just gone straight for Malaysia. Yes, another day of detection and preparation for him, and while it's possible there will be a response in strength on this coming day, I'm doubting it. I could've landed on the coast of Malaysia and just neutralized Sabang with bombers/naval bombardments, and then landed there after. Oh well, this is what I've got to work with now.

Chumphon, rail lines, and Japanese reinforcements from the north: 2 units there, with 1 movement dot. Just 2500 troops and small numbers of guns/vehicles, though. Plus, the rail is already cut. Any reinforcements for the south are going to have to reestablish the rail line first. I might have a couple of weeks to enact further disruption. This is going to largely be contingent upon my ability to keep the airfield open at Sabang. I'm optimistic about that, but not completely sure. I didn't bring a lot of dedicated engineer units for this one.

The transport air fleet is going to be working around the clock for the next few weeks between here and Thailand. On the plus side, within a few weeks I will be able to fly planes to Cocos, then Sinabang, allowing me to rapidly shift my airpower from the Darwin area if I need to. Transports are the big thing right now: I have 100+ sitting idle in the Timor-Sorong area, and need at least 50 more in the Rangoon area.




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On the 13th, Helen kamikazes flew from either Georgetown (AF 4) or Taiping (AF 3). Per SIGINT, he has an artillery unit at Taiping but the only other hit I got on a unit there is now at Udon Thani, so I don't know if anything else is there.

Given my opponent's patterns, I expect he will try a full frontal hammer blow, or a succession of naval strikes combined with repeated LBA. SIGINT for today offers some boons:

quote:


3/10th Exped.Force is loaded on a Japanese xAK moving to Tandjoengbalai.
Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Manila (79,77). (1)
Radio transmissions detected at Bataan (78,77).
Radio transmissions detected at Babeldaob (90,97).
Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Soerabaja (56,104). (2)
68th Division is located at Padang(44,85).
6th JAAF Base Force is located at Palembang(48,91).
12th JAAF AF Coy is located at Bengkalis(48,82). (3)
Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Etorofu (128,52). (4)
Radio transmissions detected at Etorofu (128,52).


My conjectures about all of that:
1) The larger KB that he used recently off Sorong is probably homebased at Manila. Heavy radio transmissions can mean anything, but typically it means either lots of air unit movements (possible but less likely given the amount of aircraft he has at the very front or just behind) or lots of ship/TF movements (a bit more likely, and the timing would be right for the larger KB).

1a) It's possible Manila is just a staging area for an operational reserve, which could be borne out by the 10th Exped. Force being bound for that base SE of Medan.

1b) The radio transmissions at Bataan and Babeldaob are interesting, especially Bataan. Bataan is built to port 2(1) and AF 6(6), which is a bit unorthodox, right?

2) The smaller KB, the 4-CV force he tried to raid Rangoon with, is possibly based out of Soerabaja, although recent-ish recon does not necessarily bear that out. So I'm not entirely sure what the heavy radio at Soerabaja means. Perhaps just planes transferring to Singapore, where there are now several hundred planes.

2a) It's possible that the smaller KB was actually at Manila also. He may have decided that I was getting ready for something else in the Pacific with the move on Sorong, and wanted to respond there. He seems to be wary of a move north towards the Marianas from New Guinea. I would be, if I were him.

3) I already knew the 68th Division was at Padang. From memory, it's a smaller one, similar to the 70th in TOE. Weak - minimal embedded artillery and armor, small or nonexistent combat/regular engineer presence. It's nice to know he has at least some modicum of air support at Bengkalis, but it's only AF 1(2) so I suspect it's for ASW only. Medan is the only other airfield on Sumatra that can cause me problems.

4) This is the really interesting bit for the medium term. Is this a reaction to the continued harassment by my subs, or was he keeping a bunch of reserve stuff up here in case I moved on the Kuriles? All of his CVs/CVLs are accounted for in the SRA. Only 2 CVEs remain, and I suspect they are escorting TK convoys from Singapore. For BBs, the 4 Kongos were at Sorong a few days ago. Ise and another were at Singapore not so long ago. That leaves Musashi and just 2 others. Were they really up at Etorofu? Doubtful, but possible. For CA/CL types, most of his remaining were spotted recently in the SRA or near there. The only exceptions are the later Aganos - I haven't seen any of them. Either they're serving as KB/Musashi escorts, or they could've been at Etorofu. I haven't been tracking DDs much... so maybe it was an aerial move. Still, it's interesting. I can't help but interpret this SIGINT hit as a shift in his defensive posture since nothing is happening up there.


This was my best SIGINT day in a very long time. Most of them have been full of garbage, like Yokosuka naval fortress being located at Yokohama/Yokosuka. Thanks Felix, great intel there.

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RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - N... - 6/20/2016 8:58:44 PM   
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The biggest question, and I knew this after being detected 2 days out, is whether or not I can land at Sibolga without issues on the coming day. I know that there are no CVs coming from Singapore, but they could be coming from southern Sumatra or Batavia. If so, I would need to prepare for a battle.

Since I need to protect Sabang for another day from the air, I'm leaning towards simply landing my Sibolga-prepped forces at Sabang, enabling me to concentrate my CVs while I await the arrival of my CVEs from the southwest - however, they won't arrive for another 5 days, and I may rather just land at Sabang and march down the coast. It's a long march, but not that long - the dirt road goes from north to south at least, and I could be at Medan within 10 days if I continue to roll him up. A bonus there is that a lot of my forces for Sibolga were tanks, and the major road runs from Sabang all the way past Medan. I could simply march to Sibolga later - it would be nice to cut off the units at Sabang and Medan to destroy them more quickly, but not necessary. With the ARM units, once I get him pushed back to Medan there's a good chance I could cut SW and then SE, and loop around behind him to ensure destruction rather than having him continue to retreat south.

So I suppose we're hoping that Sabang falls in a single day (we are risking it - one of the INF divisions is in Reserve to pursue, should the base fall) so that we can land our Sibolga-prepped and other forces on the 15th. We'll likely need the full strength of our CVs, plus any and all LBA we can transfer in, at that time.

I'll lay mines in the approach hexes on the 15th as well.

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