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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/23/2014 7:08:23 AM

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Which is the point. Simpler game - easier to get an AI. More complex game - it'll be a good long time.

Sorry Paul dont have a good long time as do a lot of players my age, even if it is a simpler game it is better than nothing, which at the moment is what we have. [nothing ]

Bo

See what I told you when you enroled as a play tester? I don't blame Steve of anything and am still grateful for this project, otherwise orphan, ...

... but I lost my faith that it would be ready anytime soon and it was very painful for me the first time it was supposed to be released. I told my wiffer friends and they didn't believe it was going to happen.

"It's not possible to make a computer wif", "after 13 years, I don't think the game is going to be ended ever" "they are always on the verge of ending it" were the answers I got. I shared all my conviction that the game would come out then (like 2 years ago) and they laughed at me. Some months later I knew they were right and they laughed even more. That's when I lost my faith and decided it will be ready when it's ready and I don't care a damm. :(

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What did you tell me when I enrolled, at my age I am forgetfull Very good points Jose right on, also sent you a PM.

Bo

Nothing special, when you enrolled as a B-tester I simply mentioned the reasons for not joining, mainly the written in my above post.

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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/23/2014 7:45:34 PM

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Which is the point. Simpler game - easier to get an AI. More complex game - it'll be a good long time.

Sorry Paul dont have a good long time as do a lot of players my age, even if it is a simpler game it is better than nothing, which at the moment is what we have. [nothing ]

Bo

See what I told you when you enroled as a play tester? I don't blame Steve of anything and am still grateful for this project, otherwise orphan, ...

... but I lost my faith that it would be ready anytime soon and it was very painful for me the first time it was supposed to be released. I told my wiffer friends and they didn't believe it was going to happen.

"It's not possible to make a computer wif", "after 13 years, I don't think the game is going to be ended ever" "they are always on the verge of ending it" were the answers I got. I shared all my conviction that the game would come out then (like 2 years ago) and they laughed at me. Some months later I knew they were right and they laughed even more. That's when I lost my faith and decided it will be ready when it's ready and I don't care a damm. :(

Hi Jose

What did you tell me when I enrolled, at my age I am forgetfull Very good points Jose right on, also sent you a PM.

Bo

Nothing special, when you enrolled as a B-tester I simply mentioned the reasons for not joining, mainly the written in my above post.

Aha I see Jose. There is no doubt if Steve remains healthy the game might get finished, and might not. When I joined I was very eager to help out anyway I could but now the shine has worn off the game and I believe we are a long long way from being finished no matter what the big cheeses say.

I also believe that reasonable credibility has been destroyed the way things were handled and I am not sure if it will ever be restored. But I am not a psychiatrist and cannot judge players moods so they might forgive and forget. This whole thing is a shame IMHO, I am hoping it does not tarnish this brillant board game.

Bo

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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/23/2014 10:56:29 PM

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I have no problems with the current state of the game. Now or even when the game came out. Of course what occurred was pretty much is what I expected to occur

So no lofty expectations here.

But actually, I thought the game on release was in much better shape than what I expected. As far as I am concerned, Steve is not giving up and is still going strong on getting rid of bugs and improving it. If it takes another year, so what. It is far better to have it out and being worked on than sitting in the dark for another year or two and still have a bad release. Because no matter how much the beta's did, there was no way they could have discovered some of the issues and problems the player base has.

But hey this is just me

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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/23/2014 11:43:32 PM

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I have no problems with the current state of the game. Now or even when the game came out. Of course what occurred was pretty much is what I expected to occur So no lofty expectations here.

But actually, I thought the game on release was in much better shape than what I expected. As far as I am concerned, Steve is not giving up and is still going strong on getting rid of bugs and improving it. If it takes another year, so what. It is far better to have it out and being worked on than sitting in the dark for another year or two and still have a bad release. Because no matter how much the beta's did, there was no way they could have discovered some of the issues and problems the player base has.

But hey this is just me

Hi Numy

I am very pleased you feel that way, really I am, I am just a little down in the dumps over the game, my problem is I do not hide my feelings which is good and bad. I am glad you have years ahead to wait for everything to be right, I and some others do not have all that time to enjoy a finished game and that is probably where some of my negativity is coming from. I apoligize for my negativity, I just try to tell it like I see it.

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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/24/2014 1:09:36 AM

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Well I am pretty old but still feel I have plenty of time to wait for things to get right.

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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/25/2014 10:03:24 AM

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Right now I have played the Barbarossa & Guadalcanal scenarios and they are totally playable (some glitches when forms close, but I'm playing with Mac OS and Parallels, so who knows).

I guess I have to play some Global War or NetPlay to find the bugs... but I was expecting them to be fixed by the time I have learned how to play the game.

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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/25/2014 10:29:24 AM

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Right now I have played the Barbarossa & Guadalcanal scenarios and they are totally playable (some glitches when forms close, but I'm playing with Mac OS and Parallels, so who knows).

I guess I have to play some Global War or NetPlay to find the bugs... but I was expecting them to be fixed by the time I have learned how to play the game.

At least the supply bugs will be - and they are the first annoying ones....

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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/26/2014 1:39:05 AM

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So if I'm suffering supply bugs in Barbarossa & Guadalcanal... I'm just not realizing of them! Actually, when something is "wrong" I assume I haven't understood properly the rules, and I guess that's 98% of the cases. I will check carefully next time, to see if I can spot a bug, so I can report it.

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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/26/2014 3:22:01 PM

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Well I am pretty old but still feel I have plenty of time to wait for things to get right.

Years?

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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/26/2014 7:48:46 PM

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So if I'm suffering supply bugs in Barbarossa & Guadalcanal... I'm just not realizing of them! Actually, when something is "wrong" I assume I haven't understood properly the rules, and I guess that's 98% of the cases. I will check carefully next time, to see if I can spot a bug, so I can report it.

I wish more of the players would assume this. I've seen a lot of bug reports that aren't bugs at all.

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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/27/2014 1:39:59 AM

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Yeah, when I find a "bug" or a question with no answer I write it down in a list, I don't post it here immediately. After a week or so, I have discovered the answer to most of my questions myself.

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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/27/2014 11:54:11 PM

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Well I am pretty old but still feel I have plenty of time to wait for things to get right.

Years?

Bo

Years

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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/28/2014 5:17:07 PM

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I too am perfectly willing to wait years.

After all I've been waiting since the first rumours of a computer version back in 1995.

In the meantime, I'll keep playing solo and learning all the rules I don't know. I lost count after 100 hours of the fun I've already had with this game and that's without Netplay or AI yet.

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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/30/2014 6:43:36 AM

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Well I am pretty old but still feel I have plenty of time to wait for things to get right.

Years?

Bo

Years

UNfortunately these projects measure in years. I wonder how many of the initial buyers of CWIF ore even MWIF are no longer with us.

Of course when one is old enough he is more exposed, altough you never really know when it will be your time. A fiend of mine of my age (around 51) died from cancer with only one month of "advice".

The first time I read this from Bo, years ago, I thought he was joking. Now I know better. Not that I am really worried as of now, but the risk is always there.

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RE: 3rd Reich - 5/30/2014 6:44:44 AM

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I too am perfectly willing to wait years.

After all I've been waiting since the first rumours of a computer version back in 1995.

In the meantime, I'll keep playing solo and learning all the rules I don't know. I lost count after 100 hours of the fun I've already had with this game and that's without Netplay or AI yet.

Yes, since that's the only way you can have fun with the game by now.

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RE: 3rd Reich - 6/18/2014 1:26:46 PM

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Here is a little "tool in play" I builded for 3r PC

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RE: 3rd Reich - 6/18/2014 1:52:41 PM

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Here is the complete 3r PC map (I extracted it from game)

Very usefull if you want to be able to see a complete map during your play : you have just to go out of dos box and to study the opened map in a windows Paint

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This map (in gif format)may be donwloaded here (see Attachment)

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RE: 3rd Reich - 6/18/2014 2:12:36 PM

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Link to buy 3r Gold editor
http://www.rainbownerd.com/wargaming/webvq02.html

Very good product, I bought it and it's a fine tool

Link to download 3r PC :
http://www.gameswin.org/gameen.php?id=1140

Link to a very interessant site about 3r PC

http://cmtk3.webring.org/l/rd?ring=wargamers;id=45;url=http%3A%2F%2Freocities%2Ecom%2FPentagon%2Fquarters%2F9017%2Findex%2Ehtml

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RE: 3rd Reich - 6/18/2014 9:41:34 PM

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Isn't it a bit over the top to link to a different company's purchase page on Matrix's forum?

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RE: 3rd Reich - 6/19/2014 4:56:41 AM

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Eh, I don't think it will take away sales from Matrix. I see it as a service to our community.

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RE: 3rd Reich - 6/19/2014 6:05:53 PM

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Isn't it a bit over the top to link to a different company's purchase page on Matrix's forum?

You should have said that that to Pzgnr (elite matrix guard - oooh my gooood !), who has posted the link 1 month ago (see page 1 of this thread). I just took again his link. Please, let me in peace, nothing to do with moaners who do not read threads before to critic peoples who give links to wargamer community for a very old and "out of selling" game. Matrix does not sell, as I know, the product 3rGold and the product 3r PC.

You should take some tablets against the bad/negative thought

See above the post of Pzgndr : (you have yourself posted a message at 5th rank after his own message,but at this moment you were not "offended" by this "horrible commercial proposition on the matrix forum"

Let I laugh at these stupidities

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3RGold
OK, I give. What is this and where can I get it? I am sorry I never heard of this before.

It was a game editor for Third Reich PC. See 3R GOLD. I used it some and still have it someplace; it helped with some things. Not sure if it is still available?

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RE: 3rd Reich - 6/19/2014 11:11:30 PM

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You should have said that that to Pzgndr (elite matrix guard - oooh my gooood !), who has posted the link 1 month ago (see page 1 of this thread). I just took again his link.

�I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.�
~ Robert McCloskey

Seriously, referencing a game editor tool for a discontinued game should not be a big deal? Else, I'm guilty as charged. I don't suspect Matrix is losing any MWiF customers to 3rd Reich at this point. But perhaps if Matrix were to sponsor a John Prados versus Harry Rowland Pay-Per-View Smackdown Rodeo event then maybe that could help entertain us for a while as Steve finishes MWiF...

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RE: 3rd Reich - 6/22/2014 2:12:36 AM

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You should have said that that to Pzgndr (elite matrix guard - oooh my gooood !), who has posted the link 1 month ago (see page 1 of this thread). I just took again his link.

�I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.�
~ Robert McCloskey

Seriously, referencing a game editor tool for a discontinued game should not be a big deal? Else, I'm guilty as charged. I don't suspect Matrix is losing any MWiF customers to 3rd Reich at this point. But perhaps if Matrix were to sponsor a John Prados versus Harry Rowland Pay-Per-View Smackdown Rodeo event then maybe that could help entertain us for a while as Steve finishes MWiF...

No pzgndr I'm guilty as charged, I am the one who started this post, the reason for the post was that if any one was getting the war game itch while waiting for this game to be finished

they could play a game similiar to WIF, not close but similar to the war in Europe kinda thing. It was not meant to hurt Matrix in any way shape or form, if anybody feels different than that's on them, you did nothing wrong pzgndr, IMO.

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RE: 3rd Reich - 6/22/2014 8:29:19 PM

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No, No, No ! Mister Pzgndr, you do not have to flee your responsabilities in this very important commercial matter (illegal concurrencial publicity) : Mister Paulderynk (old justicer) is right : you are guilty for everything !!! (and according this fact, I am going to denounce you to High Authorities, if Mister Paul derynck has not made that before me, you will be arrested , procecuted and convicted. It's sure, because I shall be witness for the prosecution)

Bo, your gesture is noble but you will not be able to save Pzgendr's head : Mister Paulderynck is known to be one of the the most austere judges and inflexible. I think the case of this very hard outlaw Pzgendr is lost, no hope for him...

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RE: 3rd Reich - 6/23/2014 2:30:03 PM

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Well then Mr. Welk I will take on personally the pzgndr case in the coming trial, that should be an automatic acquittal for him.

FYI I defended the three Frenchmen in Paths of Glory, and Breaker Morant in the Boer war in South Africa. Hmmm on second thought maybe he should get Jose defending him. All is not lost pzgndr trust me

Of course Jose is a Spaniard and being Spanish they understand inquisitons better than most, and they are noted for being very fair, pre trial publicity in Barcelona

Bo

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RE: 3rd Reich - 6/23/2014 3:01:28 PM

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RE: 3rd Reich - 6/23/2014 4:06:52 PM

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Perhaps a deal would be possible in this matter, to avoid the "dangerous spanish acquittal" : if Mr Pzgendr recognized publicly his guilty and agreed to pay a fine 5000 $, I could take care to get back this money and to send it to Matrix authorities...

Mister Pzgendr : please, use Western Union for total security to send the cash

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RE: 3rd Reich - 6/23/2014 5:06:27 PM

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