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Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/19/2014 10:38:44 AM

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Hi guys!

OKH has called General Cfant for a new duty. This time he has to conquer Russia, should be an easy task

I'm playing against an opponent from the german forum, it's Eastern Front '41-'45 for v. 3.4. Fabio asked me to post a few pictures here to show the interesting developments of this game.

Knowing the outcome in real life, I commanded a few panzertroops vom HGN to HGS. My plan was to get to the outskirts of Leningrad and Moscow and set the main blow in the south. I wanted to take the industrial centres early enough to permanently reduce Soviet production. Needless to say, this goal was NOT achieved

Togehter with my opponent I make a little AAR in the same thread in the german forum, so some pictures are very small for military security reasons.

The starting operations went according to plan. In heavy fighting, on 20th of July Kiev was taken by troops of HGS. Mr. Supersmart Cfant had thought Kiev to be industrial center, while it is a manpower-center "only". Well, well, 9000 Landsers dead for nothing

Odessa had fallen to Rumanians a week earlier. With german support, that is.

The same day the HGC is only 30 kilometers from Smolensk after a quick victory in the battle of Minsk.

It's a fast advance at all.

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/19/2014 10:44:20 AM

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The germans achieve some victories, on 10th of August, OKH declares the Djnepr-battle to have ended. Heavy russian casualities.

On August, 24th, the Wehrmacht approaches Moscow. Not alone, as can be seen. Soviet clone-labs have produced masses of Russians

I do not plan to take on the city, so it's a stop here.

Better to look on HGS: Several main cities are taken, the defenders are outflanked and have to surrender.

Lacking troops, the Soviets have abandoned the south and Panzergruppe 2 rolls into Stalino without a fight. Rostov is defended well, it takes some weeks, but again the germans are victorious.

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/19/2014 10:51:23 AM

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Most interesting is the battle of Leningrad. Please remember, HGN has been weakened for a stronger push in the south. So she has lower numbers, bad terrain and determined russian defenders to face.

Things heat up on September, 7th. OKH is shocked when looking on the map:

2 Corps, 1 Tankdivision and the Totenkopfdivision are cut off

Yes, gentlement, we face a real soviet counterattack! Is this the end of HGN?

Victory and defeat are a matter of luck, sometimes. An ETE on this turn, and the fight in the north could haven been over for the axis. But everything goes well, the troops are rescued, the front reestablished, and, even better, Volkhov is in german hands, cutting the supply for Leningrad.

My opponent has risked to much. Leningrad is doomed now, 8 armies, 2 MechCorps and some other units have no longer a chance to escape. On turn 19, when Rasputiza ended, the city was taken, lowering Soviet industrial output for a very welcomed 15%.

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/19/2014 11:16:57 AM

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That's been the good news. The bad:

Brace yourselfes, winter is coming!

What does it mean? It means 40% shock bonus for the red army, and this is for 5 turns, if I remember right.

I want my mommy!

We are on turn 22 at the moment, turn 24 is the hour of truth. Am I prepared? Yes. no. maybe.

Problem is, we played according to rules, which allow bridge bombing until the end of october. Therefore, my units have been (nearly) unsupplied for a lot of turns. The winter offensive starts at the beginning of december, so a lot of units will still be low on readiness, when the red storm arrives. On the other hand: I knew that, for I have played the soviets before (against the same opponent) and have crushed his HGC (totally)and his HGS (mostly) in the winteroffensive. So I have stopped operations early on (when my goals were achieved).

Fighting in the HGN has mainly stopped on turn 19 with the fall of Leningrad. Intelligence is guessing, that this front could be a main sector for the upcoming soviet offensive. Therefore I could not yet transfer as many troops from here as I wished - they are depleted and the Fins can't dig in fast enough.

HGC: I still have troops before Moscow, but the more valuable units will retreat to the main line of defense next turn. Only small contingents will cover the retreat and have to face the unleashing soviet storm. Truth told: I do not expect a major soviet blow here, but better be prepared, hm?

The HGS. Same here. I want the russians to have to come to me for their attack, not starting from prepared positions. Some roadblocks shall cost the first soviet wave some drive and then, if surving, hopefully retreat behind the main frontline to rest and recover. Please note, that at Kursk and Vyazama-Smolensk I have some tank units as a mobile reserve to hopefully prevent a major soviet breakthrough.

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/19/2014 11:19:59 AM

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Losses so far:

GE Heavy Squads: 12.614
Tanks: over 900 (about 1/3 of the total amount)
Aircraft: about 440 - quite low, I think

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/19/2014 11:37:18 AM

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Nice work! The Red Army is probably a bit weak..will see how the blizzard goes! I think STAVKA could have saved Leningrad just by moving one army out and East from the city itself...

In the scenario Leningrad has a soviet supply point, but it is removed if the city and port of Volkhov is conquered. This approach brings in the possibility of an historical Leningrad siege.

Just a small correction: your *real* tank losses are a lot higher, my guess around 1200-1400 panzers. 'East Front' models operational losses due to movement
by including an 'attrition unit' on the lower left of the map. That unit cannot be reached and it is in garrison mode, but it has a high priority for replacements, so whenever some tank squads accumulate in your pool..it will absorb a fraction. It is the best way to remove obsolete tanks from the fighting units. The 'attrition unit' is withdrawn in Spring 42, with all its tanks.. The Red Army has one such unit as well.

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/19/2014 11:49:32 AM

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Your words are sad - and true. ;) Still, I can't influence the attrition losses (very cool way to simulate attrition, by the way!), so I concentrate on the fighting-losses.

It's funny, how historical the match is so far. Here pictures of the real life front end of november/start of december and the ingame-situation.

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/19/2014 11:51:21 AM

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Here the attrition losses. Sad.

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/19/2014 11:55:29 AM

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Pretty close! But you do not lose sleep with those gaps in the line?

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/19/2014 12:06:47 PM

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Should I?

Of course I do. Still, I have some guesses, where Amman will strike (due to the replay-movements). Rostov is estimated, Leningrad/Volkhov for sure (1st Shockarmy seen there). Moscow aera I expect to stay calm.
And, even more important, I got a lot of russian counters in my campaign. He simply cannot have SO much in the south, if he attacks Leningrad. Even more, there will be no gaps in the center, when the offensive starts. Several movements are planned on turn 23, with HQs standing ready to support fortifications.

Still, I could have had a stronger frontline when retreating before. I decided not to do, taking the risk of a weaker main line of defense. Russian intelligence is weak in '41, so kepping him away will cover my weak points from him. And I don't want him to immediatly attack, he is welcome to walk a few hexes if he wishes to attack me ;)
Please note, that only one or two armoured units have to serve in the main line of defense. The rest is in reserve.
The goal is not preventing the line to break; 40 points of shock - I cannot hope the line will hold. The goal is to have him open for counterattacks after his 5 turns of terror

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/19/2014 12:15:05 PM

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quote:

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Should I?

Of course I do. Still, I have some guesses, where Amman will strike (due to the replay-movements). Rostov is estimated, Leningrad/Volkhov for sure (1st Shockarmy seen there). Moscow aera I expect to stay calm.
And, even more important, I got a lot of russian counters in my campaign. He simply cannot have SO much in the south, if he attacks Leningrad. Even more, there will be no gaps in the center, when the offensive starts. Several movements are planned on turn 23, with HQs standing ready to support fortifications.

Still, I could have had a stronger frontline when retreating before. I decided not to do, taking the risk of a weaker main line of defense. Russian intelligence is weak in '41, so kepping him away will cover my weak points from him. And I don't want him to immediatly attack, he is welcome to walk a few hexes if he wishes to attack me ;)
Please note, that only one or two armoured units have to serve in the main line of defense. The rest is in reserve.
The goal is not preventing the line to break; 40 points of shock - I cannot hope the line will hold. The goal is to have him open for counterattacks after his 5 turns of terror

You are very wise! If you look at my game vs Telumar (alas stopped at turn 30) he had started digging in around turn 20 as you, and the Red Army only made operational gains,
retaking some important rail lines, but nothing too dangerous for the Axis. In other games where the Axis pushed till turn 24...it did not work out so well for them. But it is hard to know when to stop!

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/19/2014 12:42:43 PM

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HGC achieved its strategic goals around turn 12. It stopped then already. Bridge bombing left it with a supply level of 4-5 most of the time... Amman even blew bridges, which were guarded by flak and two fighter-counters. (I did the same when I played the SU, so no offense against Amman

). Only when bridge bombing ended (end of october) some units became "green" in readiness again.
I'm absolutly with you - bridge bombing should be forbidden. I had bad luck with my repair-attempts - HGN and HGC were cut off for three weeks once. Bridge blowing by retreating units should stay allowed in my oppinion. :)

In HGS the main line stopped fighting about Rasputiza and started to dig in. I really fear the winter offensive

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/19/2014 12:50:39 PM

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quote:

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I'm absolutly with you - bridge bombing should be forbidden. I had bad luck with my repair-attempts - HGN and HGC were cut off for three weeks once. Bridge blowing by retreating units should stay allowed in my opinion. :)

In HGS the main line stopped fighting about Rasputiza and started to dig in. I really fear the winter offensive

I will add a short post on the scenario thread to that extent and modify the pdf accordingly: no bridge blowing from air units (currently air units are allowed to blow bridges until turn 13). I think at this scale
it's just too gamey.

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/23/2014 7:44:06 AM

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Winteroffensive of the Red Army has hit the Wehrmacht. Here the highwater-mark of the Soviet offensive (January, 4th 1942):

North: The Reds got to the outskirts of Leningrad

Center:

South:

Most surprising: An outbreak from the Crimean.

Good move, took me by surprise and won some ground for the SU. While the Reds retreated elsewhere, my opponent continued the offensive here and even cut off my railways on 11/01/42:

If it's worth the troops he commited to this task I don't know. It was a suicide command, only to hamper supplys for a few turns, but costed him several troops, including 200-300 tanks. But all in all, a nice move

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/23/2014 7:59:41 AM

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To strike a balance: I was dug in, I had mostly good readiness, I got kicked ass

Before the offensive I had lost 12000 squads, after the offensive: 24000 squads. These 5 weeks costed me so many men like the 6 month before. Active squads are down to 30.000.

My tank losses I refuse to look at

Hey, who could know, that after fall a winter would come? I'm a general, not a meteorologist!

So, what to do now? Didn't take me long to think about it. My troops are down, but the Soviets are either. And many of them are bad supplied, have weak flank-security, they have less reserves ready and resting won't help me know, until rails are repaired. So: attack and get any Russian you can, then rest, then start a sommer-offensive to force the SU to surrender. Sounds like a plan, hm?

And here we go (January 25th, 1942):

North: Front stable.

Center:

South:

My opponent fears an all-out attack on Moscow and thinks his position critical at the moment. Well, my troops are to weak to break a front at the moment. They just can capture depleted russian counters. And I think, the sommer activity will aim to the caucasus. But not decided, yet. :)

By the way, I mentioned to Fabio several times, that the winter-offensive is too strong. I'm not longer so sure, but I think, Fabio is right. Of course, the axis have to be well prepared and to plan on it early, but the russians have to consider well, too. My opponent has suffered quite some casualities in the few turns after his offensive. The winter may hit the germans hard, but leaves the Reds vulnerable everywhere, where they could not kill off the germans.

So: A new year - hopefully successful for the Reich

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/23/2014 8:09:36 AM

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Before:

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/23/2014 9:24:16 AM

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You are back in front of Moscow! So much for complaining about the blizzard ;).
Be careful though, losses are higher when supply is low and infantry is your Achille's heel, so to speak.

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/23/2014 11:19:52 AM

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The Caucasus in '42? Nooo not again!

What German General said; No enemy in front of me, no reserves behind me?

Good luck.

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/23/2014 3:55:24 PM

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quote:

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You are back in front of Moscow! So much for complaining about the blizzard ;).
Be careful though, losses are higher when supply is low and infantry is your Achille's heel, so to speak.

I'm an Austrian, we always complain in advance ;) My infantry is quite low, on the other hand, a lot of russian troops was killed - so it's worth the price, I guess. I hope. I really hope, it's worth the price :D

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The Caucasus in '42? Nooo not again!

What German General said; No enemy in front of me, no reserves behind me?

Good luck.

But this time, there are reserves, a bunch of them. The Rumanians. They will guard my flanks. So - what could ever happen now?

Turn 33 (Feb, 1st, 1942): The german counteroffensive is over. From Lake Ilmen to the black sea, several armies of the Reds are destroyed. Still, my opponent managed to evacuate his more valuable troops, e.g. the shockarmies. Still, it was quite a punch and opens a lot of possibilities.

My army is depletet, low on men, and will rest now. It will take some turns to reunite the split units and send everyone to where I want him - quite a task, as I still don't know where I want anybody.

Only region where I will march on without a break: The caucasus. No enemy before me!

Maikop will fall next turn, Novorossomething soon, which will be the end of the communist rule of the crimea.

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/23/2014 4:01:42 PM

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@Fabio: I soon get AGN Reserves - are they thought to be disbanded to get men to my troops?

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/23/2014 4:07:08 PM

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Noo. Do not disband them Some Axis Armies that historically had many infantry divisions get extra 'Reserve' units. Check their proficiency, they are quite good, although not as good as your 1941 infantry...

One of the major problems for the Axis is crack units losing their high proficiency when they take in too many green replacements and revert to 'untried' status.
It's a great feature of TOAW actually.

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/23/2014 4:24:19 PM

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Thanks.

I wondered, they have prof 75 - much better than the russian reserves, but the name was confusing. I thought, the RL german reserve bataillons were used to train the reinforcements of the first-line-units, but seems I was wrong. More troops are very welcome :)

Really enjoying the scenario

and always waiting for the next turn!

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/24/2014 10:05:07 AM

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Not much action at the moment, the Russkis run for Moscow, reorganising my troops overhelms the rail system and some small skirmishes near Moscow. Only the Caucasus sees the Wehrmacht rolling, Novoskirwhatever shall fall befor Rasputiza to starve out the (sadly few) Crimean defenders. Now a new questions bothers OKH: What means "far away"-hexfields at Baku? Will this influence my advance? I'd like to take Baku with little forces commited to this task. Would mean -10% replacements for Uncle Josef

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/24/2014 4:48:27 PM

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Great AAR, thanks Cfant! Looks like you may push the Red Army as far back as is possible in the scenario without invoking a sudden death victory. That's going to be a long slog back for the Red Army!

Interestingly enough in my 4 games of EF neither side has blown bridges by air. On the winter shock bonus: I think the negative shock might be harsh due to the reorg. I'd personally rather see something like a huge Axis supply penalty (on the scale of 50%) and 120% Soviet shock (with no Axis shock penalty).

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/25/2014 7:36:48 PM

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Thanks :)

Sudden Death won't happen, we decided to neglect this houserule. We both want to see a fight to the death

I bombed the bridges in our first game a lot. Impossible to defend against it, Fabio will most likely forbid it in his next update of the briefing.

@Fabio: My opponent still has 14.000 rail capacity. Shouldn't it be 8000 after the fall of Leningrad? Second question: Is Baku a 100% Supply point?

Edith: Do I see this right: Baku is a 50% Supply-point, so can't be starved out, but will loose a war of attrition?

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/26/2014 6:39:29 AM

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@Fabio: My opponent still has 14.000 rail capacity. Shouldn't it be 8000 after the fall of Leningrad? Second question: Is Baku a 100% Supply point?

Edith: Do I see this right: Baku is a 50% Supply-point, so can't be starved out, but will loose a war of attrition?

- Railway capacity recovers...

- Baku: yup 50% supply. 'far away hexes' means air units can't bomb (same for 'reserve airfields' on the east and west side of the map).

Fun game! Amman just sent me Turn 44..are you still complaining about blizzard? ;).

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/26/2014 11:06:28 AM

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Fun game! Amman just sent me Turn 44..are you still complaining about blizzard? ;).

No, now I'm complaining, that Baku is so strong defended

But honestly, you were right of course

The winter-offensive is a problem for the german, but bears some risks for the Russians either.

Thanks for the answers. Stay tuned - I have played turn 45 yesterday - the battle of Moscow has begun. As has the battle for Stalingrad.

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/30/2014 9:44:19 AM

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The Russians stop my advance at Baku. Not nice, Mr. Soviet!

No chance against these unit. Well, Baku won't run away. By the way, german ingenieurs only need a few month to build a railroad hundreds of miles through the caucasus.

Supply there will improve soon.

Then - it's time! Case Blue as announced - the offensive to take Stalingrad and encircle Moscow!

Two weeks into the offensive (May 31th, 1942), Stalingrad is taken. (well, case blue gives 15% shock for 3 turns, and it costs you -2 supply for the rest of the war. Not sure if it is a good choice...)

Aaaaaaand it's over. At least the Wehrmacht could win a lot of ground at the Moscow-theatre. After the fall of Stalingrad, the Soviet launched a lot of attacks along the whole front. Maybe they want to prevent the troops at Stalingrad to be used at Moscow. Having only few and weak troops there, the Russians gained ground and destroyed some units, incoming german and allied reinforcements turn the tide and make the Soviets pay for their attacks.

End of June, the situation at Moscow is comforting. OKH is confident to win this battle.

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/30/2014 11:30:40 PM

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I will add a short post on the scenario thread to that extent and modify the pdf accordingly: no bridge blowing from air units (currently air units are allowed to blow bridges until turn 13). I think at this scale
it's just too gamey.

To be fair, the Russians used their Zveno "parasite" combo of a TB-3 and 2 x I-16 bombers to attack Romanian bridges and docks - flying possibly 30 missions with pretty good success and more airframes being requested for conversion to the combination as late as August 1941!

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RE: Eastern Front '41-'45 PbEM - Axis on tour - 5/31/2014 7:26:23 PM

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The world watches the largest battle in human history: The Battle of Moscow.

Situation on June, 21th, 1942 (the war is one year old now :))

On 5th of July, much blood was shed, but little gains made:

July, 19th, 1942: It's done! Moscow is surrounded. Sadly a bataillon of paratroopers was shot down over Moscow, nur survivors

Two weeks later, the Russians are still green in readiness. OKH becomes suspicious... yepp, there is a supply point in Moscow

This paper is found by Field Marshall Cfant on his door next day, when he enters his office in the OKH:

Early August, it's obvious: The Soviets want it the hard tour.
Three times, the defenders of Moscow hold out, then the resistance is broken: German troops hold their parade on the Red Place, the Kreml is in germand hands!

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