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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/30/2014 7:58:57 PM   
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In the end these many kids playing build the essential base of the pyramid. And it looks like -surprising to me though- you have this base.
But the opposite can't be said. Almost no kids outside of the US play American football.
It's basically a weak kid sport. No upper body strength required as even girls can play with boys.



What's more powerful? A punch or a kick? A kick, obviously, leg is bigger than arm. In case of doubt, stay behind a donkey or horse and provoke him/her

Ball velocity? 174,5 km/h was reached by Brazilian player Eder (80s)... 108 mph that is... And we are not talking about a tiny handball ball.

Sooooo...

Compared to this the balls thrown by quarterbacks could have been thrown by er... ballerinas for that matter
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Speaking of which, did you see poor Michel Babatunde of Nigeria get his arm broken after being hit by a shot from his own team-mate against Argentina?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7kb_jfJZ6o


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/30/2014 9:02:50 PM   
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Weak kid sport?!

Just look how well trained those bodies are. Just look how many km's the players run in average. Just see how fast they can sprint, whilst kicking the ball at the same time. Just try to jump as high as some of the players when they go for a headball. Just see how far some of the goalies can kick or throw the ball. Just watch and see how far some of the throw in's are.

Just imagine if these players were not weak, really well trained. What would football be like then???

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/30/2014 9:30:16 PM   
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In the end these many kids playing build the essential base of the pyramid. And it looks like -surprising to me though- you have this base.
But the opposite can't be said. Almost no kids outside of the US play American football.
It's basically a weak kid sport. No upper body strength required as even girls can play with boys.



What's more powerful? A punch or a kick? A kick, obviously, leg is bigger than arm. In case of doubt, stay behind a donkey or horse and provoke him/her

Ball velocity? 174,5 km/h was reached by Brazilian player Eder (80s)... 108 mph that is... And we are not talking about a tiny handball ball.

Sooooo...

Compared to this the balls thrown by quarterbacks could have been thrown by er... ballerinas for that matter
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Speaking of which, did you see poor Michel Babatunde of Nigeria get his arm broken after being hit by a shot from his own team-mate against Argentina?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7kb_jfJZ6o



This is if I am not mistaken the 174 km/h Eder's shot. vs Italy in '82.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/1/2014 11:50:07 AM   
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How BAD is this match? The standard of football is awful.......

Iran 0-0 Nigeria

I suspect I have had more excitement by searching FIFA documents for facts about the kits.




Here are a couple of fans who are more honest about the sport. You can have some very boring matches. It can behard to watch on TV. I,ll agree with the statement about American baseball being boring. But come on don't try and defend the sport when a critical eye gets it right. I suggest some rule changes to help the sport.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/1/2014 1:30:20 PM   
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How BAD is this match? The standard of football is awful.......

Iran 0-0 Nigeria

I suspect I have had more excitement by searching FIFA documents for facts about the kits.




Here are a couple of fans who are more honest about the sport. You can have some very boring matches. It can behard to watch on TV. I,ll agree with the statement about American baseball being boring. But come on don't try and defend the sport when a critical eye gets it right. I suggest some rule changes to help the sport.


And there are many boring football -or soccer, to avoid confusions- matches. Especially the ones involving my archenemy Mourinho Or Capello now in charge of poor Russia

This is what I like in the American sports (and thus mentality): you will change the rules to make the game more entertaining (the basketball 24 seconds rule, I guess). This is the rational thing to do.

In football -soccer- people are still irrational. Everyone knows video technology should be used but it isn't. The big elephants in charge will not move

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/1/2014 1:39:34 PM   
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How BAD is this match? The standard of football is awful.......

Iran 0-0 Nigeria

I suspect I have had more excitement by searching FIFA documents for facts about the kits.




Here are a couple of fans who are more honest about the sport. You can have some very boring matches. It can behard to watch on TV. I,ll agree with the statement about American baseball being boring. But come on don't try and defend the sport when a critical eye gets it right. I suggest some rule changes to help the sport.


And there are many boring football -or soccer, to avoid confusions- matches. Especially the ones involving my archenemy Mourinho Or Capello now in charge of poor Russia

This is what I like in the American sports (and thus mentality): you will change the rules to make the game more entertaining (the basketball 24 seconds rule, I guess). This is the rational thing to do.

In football -soccer- people are still irrational. Everyone knows video technology should be used but it isn't. The big elephants in charge will not move
warspite1

I think it depends on the rule. Look at the nonsense F1 has come up with in the form of double points for the last Grand Prix of the season

I agree though that football needs to move with the times. I find the additional time rule really annoying. Let's be honest, no one really knows how much time is added on, for what and by whom. This just creates unnecessary aggro when a goal is scored in extra time or the whistle is blown seemingly early. Why not have a giant digital clock, one that is automatically stopped every time there is an event for which time is stopped, and then re-started accordingly? No argument, no confusion, no Fergie-time .


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/1/2014 3:32:46 PM   
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I don't follow enough soccer but would a smaller field help.Scoring is what brings excitement. That might bring on more goals.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/1/2014 3:42:24 PM   
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I don't follow enough soccer but would a smaller field help.Scoring is what brings excitement. That might bring on more goals.
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Not in my opinion - the field size is fine - and games can be as exciting that finish 0-0 as finish 5-4. A smaller field would likely reduce the quality of the football as there would be no space to move.


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/1/2014 3:46:54 PM   
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I don't follow enough soccer but would a smaller field help.Scoring is what brings excitement. That might bring on more goals.


It already exists: Futsal

But Futsal is a much less strategic game. Football (when you know the sport you realize it) is utter strategy. A defensive line, then a second line or midfield, then a third line (sometimes a lone striker), the forward, striker.

Each player has a well defined role. You have attacks in the cente, or in the flanks (attaining superioty 2 vs 1). Probe attacks and a long etcetera.

There's a LOT of strategy and tactics. Futsal is much more direct (less choices).

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/1/2014 3:56:11 PM   
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I,m speaking from the non interested in watching (bunch of people) I did watch some games this WC I was surprised that I enjoyed the the Nigerian/Korean game. There was a lot of action/scoring. So that is how I evaluated that scoring has to increase. There should be a minimum of 3 goals scored for game.

Here is another idea. increase the size of the goal. Or take away one defensive player.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/1/2014 9:59:21 PM   
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Sorry, but the idea a game cannot be exciting if its 0-0 is being blown apart in Salvador.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/1/2014 10:28:29 PM   
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What a free-kick by the USA.!!!! Great save though by the Belgian keeper. This game is STONKING!

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/1/2014 10:37:32 PM   
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Belgium 2-1 USA

Great game of football - unlucky USA, well done Belgium.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/1/2014 11:14:30 PM   
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tim Howard was pretty freaking great today. Too bad they had to lose.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/1/2014 11:31:51 PM   
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It was a good game. Now American football starts in 62 days. Can't wait!

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/1/2014 11:36:02 PM   
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And on a personal note thanks to mr W. I wouldn't have ever watched this without him. Wait did America make it father than England ? Thats just propaganda right?

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/2/2014 2:07:56 AM   
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Couldn't watch it but heard they both parked the bus until the last minutes then it got pretty entertaining, one guy I know said it was the best extra time he has seen and that the US was very close to score the winning goal but made a terrible blunder.

Too bad only one concacaf team is alive but alas is the one dubbed "Sele mata campeones" (Champion Killer NT), but then again, the Netherlands have never been champions sooo will that grant them immunity against CR?

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/2/2014 4:10:43 AM   
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And on a personal note thanks to mr W. I wouldn't have ever watched this without him. Wait did America make it father than England ? Thats just propaganda right?
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No, the USA made it further in the tournament than England.


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/2/2014 4:12:36 AM   
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Couldn't watch it but heard they both parked the bus until the last minutes then it got pretty entertaining, one guy I know said it was the best extra time he has seen and that the US was very close to score the winning goal but made a terrible blunder.

Too bad only one concacaf team is alive but alas is the one dubbed "Sele mata campeones" (Champion Killer NT), but then again, the Netherlands have never been champions sooo will that grant them immunity against CR?
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Both parked the bus? God knows what game he was watching, but it certainly wasn't USA vs Belgium.......


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/2/2014 4:40:57 AM   
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The USA played very hard and had a great chance to win at the end of regulation, but congratulations to Belgium. Belgium was definitely the better team.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/2/2014 12:18:53 PM   
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Both parked the bus? God knows what game he was watching, but it certainly wasn't USA vs Belgium.......



Indeed. It was another match as no one parked the bus.

As I see it the Belgians basically used the 2nd-3rd gear most of the time (unintended, needless to say, a bad day that is). Whilst the Americans used the 8th gear LOL

Klinsmann has done a magnificent job. A hard-working team that doesn't give up. But the quality tends to prevail. And Belgium has got a LOT of this quality.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/2/2014 7:18:03 PM   
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Ahhhh thanks for the grammar lesson mr. w! Father what was I thinking!
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No, the USA made it further in the tournament than England.




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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/2/2014 7:55:52 PM   
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What's all the fuss about this wimpy, sissy, no contact, un-American sport played by funny looking people who bite each other and fall down for no reason? And there's almost no scoring!

Moderator, please lock this thread for the next 4 years (or until we Yanks win something meaningful).

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/2/2014 8:42:08 PM   
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I don't know much about soccer, and I only saw the second half. I thought the US played a very defensive game, looked tired, and made a lot of mental errors. It was only a matter of time before Belgium won. The US goalie was more responsible for the 0-0 tie. Belgium players passed better, and generated better chances. The one great chance at the end for the US was called offside, so it would not have mattered.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/2/2014 8:50:11 PM   
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The thing about soccer is .. its very, very hard to score. Shockingly difficult.


That's the beauty of it.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/2/2014 8:56:08 PM   
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The thing about soccer is .. its very, very hard to score. Shockingly difficult.


That's the beauty of it.




That's my complaint about it. At least 3 goals should be scored in a game

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/2/2014 9:00:37 PM   
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What's all the fuss about this wimpy, sissy, no contact, un-American sport played by funny looking people who bite each other and fall down for no reason? And there's almost no scoring!

Moderator, please lock this thread for the next 4 years (or until we Yanks win something meaningful).




fall down and pretend to be hurt(truly bad actors.)


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/2/2014 9:09:16 PM   
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The thing about soccer is .. its very, very hard to score. Shockingly difficult.


That's the beauty of it.
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Not if you are playing Spurs it's not...


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/2/2014 9:10:24 PM   
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The thing about soccer is .. its very, very hard to score. Shockingly difficult.


That's the beauty of it.




That's my complaint about it. At least 3 goals should be scored in a game
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NO!!!! The beautiful game does not need goals to be exciting.


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/2/2014 9:39:40 PM   
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In June 1990, the football viewing public were eagerly anticipating the start of the sport’s greatest tournament, the FIFA World Cup, in Italy, a country widely known and loved for its creativity and artistic ambience. A leader in fashion, wine, art and sculpture, the host nation seemed ready to provide the perfect backdrop for a festival of exciting, flowing football.

However, the reality was far from the fantastic feast all had hoped for. Despite some tremendous waves of emotion, notably from host nation Italy in their painful semi-final exit, and likewise England, goals were at a premium. This was the first world cup which saw teams belligerently playing for penalties, without trying to attack or impose themselves in the 90 minutes and extra time. This was for many, a sterile, cynical World Cup.

The dreary deadlock of many of the knockout matches caused a headache for FIFA, who were desperate for the next World Cup, to be held in the USA, to be a triumph. Americans were more accustomed to high scoring sports, and tepid, defensive 0-0 results would send the TV viewers away in their droves, thus jeopardizing vast amounts of advertising revenue. FIFA needed a way to make football exciting and unpredictable again. Crackpot schemes like making the goals bigger were proposed, and then rightly binned, but FIFA had a brainwave. They asked the official matchball manufacturer, Adidas, to jazz up the ball.



FIFA WORLD CUP 1994

Adidas concluded that the key to more goals was a lighter, more responsive ball, which would be the perfect tool for a gifted player. Out went heavy, slow balls, and in came the Questra. Taking its name from an ancient word meaning “the quest for the stars”, the new ball took its logo from its space age technology, and as a tribute to the host nation’s rich history of space exploration. The whole concept was based on the themes of innovation and striving for perfection.

The technical development for the Questra took place in the Adidas center for ball development in France, followed by test games in France, Germany and the USA with professional players, amateurs and youth teams. The ball was manufactured from five different materials with a flexible but durable outer layer made from polyurethane. Each trigon featured an array of space imagery: planets, black holes and, of course, stars.

Within a week of the tournament, some spectacular goals had been scored. As predicted, the better players took to the lighter model with no difficulty. Memorably, Romanian captain Hagi floated a wonderful goal over the stricken goalkeeper’s head from distance in an early group match.

However, the goalkeeping fraternity found the ball too hot to handle. In some of the venues, such as Florida and California, the regional humidity caused the ball to bend and move in the air like never before. This made life extremely tough for the men in gloves. But, as FIFA had requested, the goals flew in from some impossible angles, and the competition was a resounding success. In terms of sheer, attacking play and flair, USA ’94 was a sensation. Of course, the final was a drab 0-0 affair, but not even space age technology could be expected to change the mentality of a defensive footballing nation such as Italy. Adidas was responsible for the balls, not tactics.

Atempts have been made to change the way football is played, but some teams seem adapt their style of play.


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