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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/8/2014 10:48:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, but the Brazilians were pretty woeful. The Germans had some very clinical finishing but other than that did nothing out of the ordinary. They played very simple football and played it well.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/8/2014 11:41:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I personally don't agree with more goals=more entertaining. It dilutes the difficulty of scoring one of them, takes away the beauty of the goal. Of 99 problems Football Soccer has, scoring pace ain't one of them. To each his own I guess.

This match was the worst of the tournament for me by far (bar the non-penalty one ).

Match was over at 20minutes, Brazil nervous as hell, Germany just as methodically, calm and relentless as it is known but now with more aim. The perfect embodiment of everything German encapsulated into a football team.

By far the worst Brazil match I've seen. Everyone that participated should be sacked and never be called again specially the awful defense.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/8/2014 11:52:51 PM   
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I don't think they 100% understand this game (nothing wrong with that). I have seen countless of really good matches with few goals.

And I am pretty certain most of you could say the same.

No, 7 - 1 is NOT a good match. It's a massacre

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 12:08:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		For me, the entertainment came from watching the Germans teach the Brazilians how to play football. And let's be honest, it is not often you get to see one of the leading footballing nations get totally humiliated.

If this was Germany v Saudi Arabia and a thumping, it would not have been anywhere near as entertaining as watching Brazil get a thumping.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 12:39:24 AM   
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well, we somehow hit a glass jaw with the 1 goal ...and then they got blitzed

the next match starting with zero again, of course
and (probably) the Dutch will not collapse mentaly from a single goal arrear ...there will be hard work to be done to secure the cup

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 4:57:00 AM   
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Can't believe it will be an all European final in South America, but I feel confident it will be and I'm definitely going for a Dutch win in the final.


After what we've just seen Germany do you're a brave man supporting the Dutch. Then again I'm Northern Irish so historically obliged to support the Dutch as well - come on the Orangemen

However 7-1 against Brazil!

7-1 !!

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So many times the team that has the easiest semi-final win then goes on to lose the final. Spurs in 1987

I just think that under van Gaal, Holland are finally going to end their World Cup misery.


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 7:48:36 AM   
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The "Brazilian bubble" had to burst at some point... it was just a question of time!

BTW, this Brazil is not a shadow of Brazil from the past that we all love to watch...

In group Brazil won over Croatia with the help from referee (Neymar not getting deserved red card for hitting Modric, not existing penalty for Brazil and disallowed regular goal for Croatia), they played 0:0 with Mexico and only beat the weak Cameroon. After that it was 1:1 against Chile and lucky penalties that got them through. In quarter finals it was 2:1 against Colombia (again with regular Colombian goal disallowed by the referee)...

All in all the Brazil had huge support from referees (for being the host country) - their actual play was mediocre at best!


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 9:04:38 AM   
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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 9:36:30 AM   
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Here is a link showing him choking Drew Petrie who looks unconscious to me before he is hidden by other players.
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Should not attacks like this be handled by the criminal system as well, even though it takes place during a sport event?


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 10:00:11 AM   
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I personally don't agree with more goals=more entertaining. It dilutes the difficulty of scoring one of them, takes away the beauty of the goal. Of 99 problems Football Soccer has, scoring pace ain't one of them. To each his own I guess.

This match was the worst of the tournament for me by far (bar the non-penalty one ).

Match was over at 20minutes, Brazil nervous as hell, Germany just as methodically, calm and relentless as it is known but now with more aim. The perfect embodiment of everything German encapsulated into a football team.

By far the worst Brazil match I've seen. Everyone that participated should be sacked and never be called again specially the awful defense.


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 10:04:48 AM   
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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 11:01:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		To be fair, neither Brazil nor Argentina nor Germany (until yesterday) were convincing in this WC

Some good might come from this... After this humiliating trashing Brazil might drop this miserable Football (aka win at all cost) and go back to their "jogo bonito" (=beautiful game). This beautiful game won them WCs and the admiration of basically everyone.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 11:46:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		A good football game depends on there being two teams on the field at once. Yesterday, there was only one team on the field. It was a very bad game.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 12:01:14 PM   
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I personally don't agree with more goals=more entertaining. It dilutes the difficulty of scoring one of them, takes away the beauty of the goal. Of 99 problems Football Soccer has, scoring pace ain't one of them. To each his own I guess.

Ya, take the goals off and let the players run around the field kicking a ball while holding streaming ribbons and do occasional flops. What a beautiful game that would be.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 5:01:54 PM   
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I personally don't agree with more goals=more entertaining. It dilutes the difficulty of scoring one of them, takes away the beauty of the goal. Of 99 problems Football Soccer has, scoring pace ain't one of them. To each his own I guess.

Ya, take the goals off and let the players run around the field kicking a ball while holding streaming ribbons and do occasional flops. What a beautiful game that would be.



There's only a problem with your theory. A game lasts 90 minutes. Scoring a goal? Humm, let's say 2 seconds is all you need? 2 goals = 4 seconds? 4 goals = 8 seconds? In other words, you don't need to watch the game in the first place, simply watch the highlights of the match. And that might be even too long

If you can't watch a game with few goals, then this sport is not for you. As simple as that.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 8:38:52 PM   
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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 8:43:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I could be happy with a few goals as you mentioned. 3 or 4 for me . I could watch that.

0-0 1-0 1-1. That's harder to watch. And for me those low scoring games means one or both teams are parking the bus. Or they are both poor offensive teams.

There is beauty and technique in a game with a many goals? right? It seems like some posting here were suggesting beauty of the game is in the low scores(because that shows off the difficulty of scoring)
I'll disagree with that. Again its the mentality is defensive playing more beautiful or offensive playing. And here we can disagree. But this is your sport. I doubt that I will be a follower of it.



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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 9:53:19 PM   
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A good football game depends on there being two teams on the field at once. Yesterday, there was only one team on the field. It was a very bad game.


No. It was half decent game since at least one team turned up for it. Consider the Netherlands v Argentina semi-final when neither term turned up for the game. Now, that, is a very bad game. And the bloody thing hasn't yet finished.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 10:49:53 PM   
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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 10:51:59 PM   
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Please, could both teams be eliminated? Yes, give the cup to Germany, it's ok

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 10:53:29 PM   
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A good football game depends on there being two teams on the field at once. Yesterday, there was only one team on the field. It was a very bad game.


No. It was half decent game since at least one team turned up for it. Consider the Netherlands v Argentina semi-final when neither term turned up for the game. Now, that, is a very bad game. And the bloody thing hasn't yet finished.

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We'll have to disagree on the GER-BRA game, but the ARG-NED game was awful.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/9/2014 11:24:06 PM   
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Germany - Argentina... hmmmm

Argentina does not bring anything to the field but Messi and half-decent midfield. Germany is nothing out of the extraordinary skill-wise either they just do the most basic things right and precise, what a team should be doing in the first place. The extraordinary thing they do have is a mentality of never giving up until the end not even if they are winning 5-0 or losing 5-0.

If Argentina wins this, it will be a source of mockery for Brazil for ever until the Earth gets destroyed by the sun since they are bitter enemies in football, the most famous rivalry in latinamerica and one of the principal rivalries in the world. It will be unreal.

If Germany wins, it ends the maxim of "Europe for Europeans, Americas for Americans" regarding World Cup championships.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/10/2014 12:24:29 PM   
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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/10/2014 1:57:07 PM   
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Had the Germans to win pre tourny. Wish I had put a bet on them now.


Not so evident. What Germany will show up? The one that trashed Brazil or... the one that struggled with minor sides?

Will the Argentinians do what they did yesterday (along with Holland): refusing to attack? MOTM = Mascherano, a destructive midfielder. This says it all.


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/10/2014 2:04:24 PM   
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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/10/2014 2:32:12 PM   
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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/10/2014 2:47:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		You might have an entertaining match which ends in 0 - 0 Yes, it is possible, in my opinion.

The problem is "entertaining" is subjective. Some people like offensive football (like me) and other prefer defensive football.

So you can have a match with two teams that try to win their match. These are -to me- the best matches. It's like the flow of a river. But despite these many non-stop attacks, maybe the strikers miss all their chances or the goalkeepers stop everything they throw at them.

So is this match boring (0-0)? Are you sure?

The match we saw yesterday was boring not because of the 0 - 0 but because both teams literally refused to attack. It's called "objective? Do not let the opponent play (aka elaborate, create), Do NOT lose". Just en passant this has always been Mourinho's proposition

These are the two extremes (one is positive and the other is negative). In the middle you could have one team that tries to win the match and the other that only thinks about defending. These ones can be very entertaining too IMO.

But make no mistake, the overwhelming majority of football fans hate matches like the one we were served yesterday. It's pure negativity. But again, this has nothing to do with 0-0 or 1-0. You are mixing two different things.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/10/2014 3:40:45 PM   
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What Germany will show up? The one that trashed Brazil or... the one that struggled with minor sides?


I believe Germany has finally found the tactical system that suits well with our players. (In fact its just a return to the proven system with Khedira & Schweinsteiger playing in the central midfield and one single striker (Klose) ).
Except for injuries I guess there will be no personal changes.

After watching Arg - Ned, I believe it is save to say, that for the sake of the international football development, Germany has to win this WC tournament.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/10/2014 7:46:57 PM   
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If they extended the goal posts up like in US football they could have two tier scoring. Put it above the net between the posts and score one point or put it in the net past the goal keeper and score 5 points. As it is now, soccer lets one play a computer game for two hours with slight chance of interruption to see scoring action. With DVR you stop the TV and rewind the 3 seconds of scoring play and go back to your game.
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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 7/10/2014 8:23:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		What's with the complaint about the match for 3rd and forth place.The coach (Luis Van Gaal) complained to FIFA for having this match. don't understand the reasoning behind it. Anyone understand the complaint.

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