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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/15/2014 12:06:48 AM   
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In Barkley you have a world-class player. Mark my words.

Sterling is another good one.


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Yes, he played very well.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/15/2014 12:08:53 AM   
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Well played Italy - overall they probably deserved the win, but the England performance was a million miles better than the game against Italy 2-years ago.


I disagree. 2 - 2 would have been the fair result. Definitely the best match so far. Two great teams

And Pirlo is just err... amazing. In Barkley you have a world-class player. Mark my words.
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I disagree, while 2-2 would not have been an unfair result - I don't see how you can say an Italian victory was unfair.


No, I am not saying it was unfair. They won fair and square. I mean that both teams were excellent and kept attacking, trying to win the match (as it always should be on my book: death to parking the bus ). That's why I think a draw would have been the right outcome, to reward both teams, because both deserved it

EDIT: but of course I needed the "1 - 2" result to bag 5 points in our game. So for all I care this result is most welcome

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/15/2014 12:11:32 AM   
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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/15/2014 7:50:45 AM   
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For those watching BBC, just how BAD is Phil Neville?
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Looks like I was not the only one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2658122/Phil-Neville-subjected-Twitter-backlash-makes-World-Cup-commentary-debut-Englands-clash-Italy.html

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/15/2014 9:11:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		It was a good performance from England for the most part. Wayne Rooney is not included in that IMO and the wait for him to have a good game continues. He's not as good as he thinks truth be told, as an actual striker he's good but he falls far short of the ability of the two players he seems desperate to emulate. It's a shame really, he was built up early in his career as the greatest English player of his generation (or ever?) instead of people being happy he's a good striker.


It's not a terrible result, after all Italy tend to do better against the (so called) big teams and it's one in the eye for everyone who complained that Roy Hodgson would create dull teams with no attacking drive.


P.S. Phil Neville was boring, but better than Andy Townsend. Or Mark Lawrenson.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/15/2014 9:17:50 AM   
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It was a good performance from England for the most part. Wayne Rooney is not included in that IMO and the wait for him to have a good game continues. He's not as good as he thinks truth be told, as an actual striker he's good but he falls far short of the ability of the two players he seems desperate to emulate. It's a shame really, he was built up early in his career as the greatest English player of his generation (or ever?) instead of people being happy he's a good striker.


It's not a terrible result, after all Italy tend to do better against the (so called) big teams and it's one in the eye for everyone who complained that Roy Hodgson would create dull teams with no attacking drive.


P.S. Phil Neville was boring, but better than Andy Townsend. Or Mark Lawrenson.
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Andy Townsend ..... ITV presentation just sucks and always has. And as for that "Brazil" music that accompanies the program . Mark Lawrenson just gets worse with each year


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/15/2014 9:58:04 AM   
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Andy Townsend ..... ITV presentation just sucks and always has. And as for that "Brazil" music that accompanies the program . Mark Lawrenson just gets worse with each year



Andy Townsend? Not for me Clive. I just don't understand how someone who is paid to commentate and provide analysis on football can be so bloody miserable whilst doing it.

I think the biggest problem is that Sky grab most of the commentators and analysts who turn out to be any good. A few times on Match of the Day I've felt that certain members of their panel have acted like ****s towards other 'guest' analysts (e.g. Lee Dixon) for whatever reason. There are some good commentators out there on 'normal' TV, but generally they don't get to present Ingerlund games.


Gary Neville may have been a bit of a twunt as a player (IMO at least) but doing studio analysis etc he's a lot better than most, because he actually seems to do some research before hand.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/15/2014 12:09:27 PM   
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100% professional actors?
Come within 3 inches of an Italian player, he falls down in what appears to be agony, rolls 4 times around the field, only to jump up either to cheer or yell at the ref, after the ref has given a free kick one way or another.

England wins 2-0 (Gerrard and Rooney)

oops, we did it again...I'm sorry...maybe next time.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/15/2014 1:54:04 PM   
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100% professional actors?
Come within 3 inches of an Italian player, he falls down in what appears to be agony, rolls 4 times around the field, only to jump up either to cheer or yell at the ref, after the ref has given a free kick one way or another.


To be fair, I don't think it's only the Italians See:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ZY9sJe0rY



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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/15/2014 8:48:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Returning serious, England team is better than I expected. It played very well, with very dangerous and speedy counter-attack; the entire match for Chiellini & Paletta was a nightmare. England have a lot of fast players with good technique, players that are very good for 1 vs 1 duels. The real gap, in my opinion, is the lack of lethal scorer (like Balotelli, 2 ball played, 1 gol scored...). And I agree with people that sustain a draw is the right result for the match...ok, we could score a pair more goal (Balotelli & Candreva in the final of 1st half, Pirlo in the final of the match), but England too (the Barzagli quasi-own goal in the 1st half, the shoot by Rooney in the 2nd with Sirigu wrong-footed). Both team played for win. Honestly, is the best England that I remember (I begin to follow soccer in '90 years), very dangerous team. And about Italy? Italy played well, my doubt are about the defense phase, the worst in the story of Italy...defender lack in base technique, speed and concentration (in fact De Rossi was forced to play literally on the line of defenders to help them); about midfield and attack I think we are ok at the moment...pity that Pirlo will retire by Italy at the end of World Cup. Now, the greater danger is the wounded Uruguay...never underestimate south american team, Costarica too. We'll see.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/16/2014 12:14:44 AM   
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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/16/2014 4:57:43 PM   
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Half time (45 mn more to bag more goals LOL)

And Pepe *surprise surprise*... red card

I don't think Portugal are that bad. Au contraire, I think THIS German team is an Uber Football Machine again After the match yesterday (Argentina) I am pretty certain now it's going to be between Brazil and Germany. 4 years later, the organizer of Argentina is again Mascherano... a defensive, destructive midfielder On the second half Gago was in, but this guy is no Xavi, Lahm, not even close.

A lot of dynamite forward (best attacking team of the WC no doubt)... but who's going to prepare, feed these attacks? They're going to suffer a lot when they are going to face tough, real teams... Brazil, Germany and Italy (and Spain, provided their cycle is not over and they make it to the next level).

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/16/2014 5:25:59 PM   
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I still can't work out what exactly was the directive but, whatever it was, it was cobblers

Portugal - all red, and different shades of red at that. Germany and England all white, with the former sporting a hideous red chevron, at least France kept their red socks..... one word.... NO!!!!!

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/16/2014 5:27:57 PM   
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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/16/2014 5:47:12 PM   
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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/16/2014 6:02:40 PM   
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Seems Germany is doing a great job as the grim reaper in this so called "group of death"




Accurate analogy! They are going to cut 3 heads off (Portugal's already in the bag) ie 9 points harvested methinks

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/16/2014 7:58:04 PM   
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Ghana and the USA must be loving this.... If they don't cancel each other out, maybe a chance of qualification for one?

I doubt that they will qualify. Portugal will bounce back.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/16/2014 7:59:16 PM   
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What the hell have FIFA done?!?!?

I still can't work out what exactly was the directive but, whatever it was, it was cobblers

Portugal - all red, and different shades of red at that. Germany and England all white, with the former sporting a hideous red chevron, at least France kept their red socks..... one word.... NO!!!!!

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I have not heard that FIFA was involved in this. I thought it was respective country that decided their own kits.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/16/2014 8:05:25 PM   
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What the hell have FIFA done?!?!?

I still can't work out what exactly was the directive but, whatever it was, it was cobblers

Portugal - all red, and different shades of red at that. Germany and England all white, with the former sporting a hideous red chevron, at least France kept their red socks..... one word.... NO!!!!!

Angry from London

I have not heard that FIFA was involved in this. I thought it was respective country that decided their own kits.
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I read something to the effect that FIFA ordered essentially one colour for each strip. It cannot have been compulsory as Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina have kept their traditional colours.


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/16/2014 8:27:32 PM   
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Iran 0-0 Nigeria

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/16/2014 8:29:37 PM   
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This is what the FIFA rules say about it:

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Basic equipment
The basic compulsory equipment of a player comprises the following separate
items:
• a jersey or shirt with sleeves – if undergarments are worn, the colour of the
sleeve must be the same main colour as the sleeve of the jersey or shirt
• shorts – if undershorts or tights are worn, they must be of the same main
colour as the shorts
• stockings – if tape or similar material is applied externally it must be the
same colour as that part of the stocking it is applied to
• shinguards
• footwear
Shinguards
• are covered entirely by the stockings
• are made of rubber, plastic or a similar suitable material
• provide a reasonable degree of protection
Colours
• The two teams must wear colours that distinguish them from each other
and also the referee and the assistant referees
• Each goalkeeper must wear colours that distinguish him from the other
players, the referee and the assistant referees


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2. Each team shall have an official and reserve team kit, which shall be declared
on the team colour form. The colours of the reserve team kit (shirt, shorts and
socks) shall be noticeably different from and contrast with the colours of the
official team kit (shirt, shorts and socks). The reserve team kit (including the
goalkeeper’s) must also be taken to every match. Only these colours may be
worn at matches.


Quotes from these two documents.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/81/42/36/log2013en_neutral.pdf
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/01/47/38/17/regulationsfwcbrazil2014_update_e_neutral.pdf


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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/16/2014 8:31:06 PM   
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How BAD is this match? The standard of football is awful.......

Iran 0-0 Nigeria

I suspect I have had more excitement by searching FIFA documents for facts about the kits.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/16/2014 8:41:30 PM   
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How BAD is this match? The standard of football is awful.......

Iran 0-0 Nigeria

I suspect I have had more excitement by searching FIFA documents for facts about the kits.
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Odemwingie looks positive though

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/16/2014 9:09:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Iran will be happy with that result but I expected more from Nigeria. Not a great match but we were probably due a stinker, the tournament has been most entertaining so far. It is early days yet though.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/17/2014 12:01:34 AM   
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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/17/2014 1:04:25 AM   
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Great performance from the USA. Disciplined and gritty. They deserved the win.


Not sure Ghana deserved to lose. In fact I am pretty certain they deserved a draw minimum.

If I am not mistaken this is the first team which has parked the bus in the WC




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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/17/2014 9:39:24 AM   
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Great performance from the USA. Disciplined and gritty. They deserved the win.


Not sure Ghana deserved to lose. In fact I am pretty certain they deserved a draw minimum.

If I am not mistaken this is the first team which has parked the bus in the WC





Well, the Ghanaian equalizer was drop dead gorgeous. However, the USA contained them for most of the match and, until the introduction of Boateng and Essien, the Ghanaians did not look like scoring. Much possession yes. But no product where it mattered.

After the equalizer, the Americans did not let their heads drop, continued to work hard, and got the reward for it. I am not going to begrudge them the win.

Overall, the most disappointing thing for me in this world cup has been the performance of the African teams. Still early days yet of course.

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/17/2014 3:48:55 PM   
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Mexico was robbed of 2 goals last game, let's hope it doesn't happen again.

Are we in for a surprise? Let's hope so!

On friday I went to CNN and there was a banner of breaking news stating that interpol had gone to Brazil in suspicion of match fixing. It was removed shortly after no less than half an hour maybe.

Anyone knows anything about it? bad tip from informer? they weren't supposed to announce it? fake news?




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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/17/2014 5:04:08 PM   
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Mexico - Brazil

Mexico was robbed of 2 goals last game, let's hope it doesn't happen again.

Are we in for a surprise? Let's hope so!

On friday I went to CNN and there was a banner of breaking news stating that interpol had gone to Brazil in suspicion of match fixing. It was removed shortly after no less than half an hour maybe.

Anyone knows anything about it? bad tip from informer? they weren't supposed to announce it? fake news?


No, I didn't read / hear anything about this match fixing thing

Good luck vs Brazil. You will need it

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RE: Most Unofficial Brazil 2014 World Cup Thread - 6/17/2014 7:48:32 PM   
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Mexico - Brazil

Mexico was robbed of 2 goals last game, let's hope it doesn't happen again.

Are we in for a surprise? Let's hope so!

On friday I went to CNN and there was a banner of breaking news stating that interpol had gone to Brazil in suspicion of match fixing. It was removed shortly after no less than half an hour maybe.

Anyone knows anything about it? bad tip from informer? they weren't supposed to announce it? fake news?



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I think its fair to say that match fixing has always gone on at the World Cup - with the obvious exception of 1966. Why else do you think have England only ever won the World Cup once?

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