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How are random leaders assigned? - 6/29/2014 1:54:39 AM

Peever

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I got to messing around with the editor after getting battered and bruised by Andy's latest Ironman scenario and I had some questions on how the game assigns leaders to units that are set to "random" by default. Does the game auto-generate a generic leader or just pull one from the "Leaders" pool that can be seen in the editor?

For a test I set all Allied ships and LCU's to have a delay of "0" so that every unit would be present at the start of the game. I wanted to see if there were enough leaders for everything at once. Everything seemed fine, and it looked like everyone had a leader, though not always the best for the job. Is it possible for the game to run out of leaders if I created a ton of new ships, and units?

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RE: How are random leaders assigned? - 6/29/2014 2:41:38 AM

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I doubt you will get an answer to this one.

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RE: How are random leaders assigned? - 6/29/2014 2:16:06 PM

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I was allways under asumtion that every leader in database must be manualy assigned (or auto when groups merge/split) and units with random leader get it simply generated.

It is realy simple to find out if yxou want - just place xxxx in name of every leader in database and then start game and you will find out answer - if leaders will have reakl names, they are generated if xxx they are taken from pool :)

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RE: How are random leaders assigned? - 6/29/2014 2:26:16 PM

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Sorry, Peever, but I must take the low hanging fruit on this reply. How are random leaders assigned? Erm...randomly.

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RE: How are random leaders assigned? - 6/29/2014 3:36:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: Peever
I got to messing around with the editor after getting battered and bruised by Andy's latest Ironman scenario and I had some questions on how the game assigns leaders to units that are set to "random" by default. Does the game auto-generate a generic leader or just pull one from the "Leaders" pool that can be seen in the editor?

For a test I set all Allied ships and LCU's to have a delay of "0" so that every unit would be present at the start of the game. I wanted to see if there were enough leaders for everything at once. Everything seemed fine, and it looked like everyone had a leader, though not always the best for the job. Is it possible for the game to run out of leaders if I created a ton of new ships, and units?

It�s �random� but not really �random�. There�s several things the code looks at � for Ships, it reaches back to the Class and looks at �Type�. For a BB (Type=5), fx, it will find a leader of a suitable notional Nation (USN, IJN, RN, etc..), suitable Type=5 (ship) and Rank=19, 28, etc.. (Cpt equivalent since a BB is in the tables as a Capital Ship).

There are tables of �Class� value that work for many things, such as points, target value, torpedo expenditure, and the like, so �value� is pretty well defined. Biggies get Captains, others get Commanders, then Lt Commanders, then Lieutenants, and on down to Ensigns, according to the decreasing �value� scale and decreasing �Rank� scale.

The logic is �fuzzy� so if a ship qualifies for a LT Commander, it might get a Commander, or a Lieutenant, if the requisite code criteria are not met exactly (more on that in a moment).

When one needs a leader, the code consults all the different data numbers and generates a list of appropriate/active leaders with the appropriate data tags, and will pick the first one that shows up. If there aren�t any Captains left (for example) it MIGHT pick a Commander. Allowability of picking outside the box, and in which direction, and how far to go, is a proprietary algorithm.

Later war, when all the listed �leaders� are being used, and the code can�t find a suitable candidate, the code makes up an Elmer Fudd with appropriate rank and nationality and having stats that are also determined by a proprietary algorithm.

You guys have always wondered why you can�t have someone commanding a TF go on to Fleet HQ; or someone commanding a HQ going on to TF command. That�s because the database �characterizes� each line item (leader) by the editor �Type� field. That�s the reason you often get two listings for the same individual; one typed as 04=TF, the other typed as 01=HQ.

Land works the same way, but more so.

Pretty sure Alfred will make sense of all this and be able to explain it in a more organized and rational fashion.

Ciao. JWE

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RE: How are random leaders assigned? - 6/30/2014 3:06:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: czert2
It is realy simple to find out if yxou want - just place xxxx in name of every leader in database and then start game and you will find out answer - if leaders will have reakl names, they are generated if xxx they are taken from pool :)

I was going to try that but I didn't see a way to make mass changes to the leader database like you can with ships, aircraft, and locations. Manually changing some 20,000+ leaders names seemed a little daunting to find this out.

Not to mention the carpal tunnel...

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Later war, when all the listed �leaders� are being used, and the code can�t find a suitable candidate, the code makes up an Elmer Fudd with appropriate rank and nationality and having stats that are also determined by a proprietary algorithm.

That's what I was thinking the game was doing based on messing around with the editor. Thanks for the detailed response.

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RE: How are random leaders assigned? - 7/1/2014 6:40:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Peever

quote:

ORIGINAL: czert2
It is realy simple to find out if yxou want - just place xxxx in name of every leader in database and then start game and you will find out answer - if leaders will have reakl names, they are generated if xxx they are taken from pool :)

I was going to try that but I didn't see a way to make mass changes to the leader database like you can with ships, aircraft, and locations. Manually changing some 20,000+ leaders names seemed a little daunting to find this out. Not to mention the carpal tunnel...