Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Hi Bo,

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ORIGINAL: bo
Even if they did underwrite a loan for Matrix, Matrix would still have done netplay over the AI and would go into default with very few sales because of that

In truth, we did not want a "no AI" release, which I think would be pretty clear from looking at all our other wargames. Steve also did not want a "no AI" release. However, at a certain point we all had to accept "no AI" as a better alternative than "no MWIF".

Regards,

- Erik

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Hi Bo,

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ORIGINAL: bo
Even if they did underwrite a loan for Matrix, Matrix would still have done netplay over the AI and would go into default with very few sales because of that

In truth, we did not want a "no AI" release, which I think would be pretty clear from looking at all our other wargames. Steve also did not want a "no AI" release. However, at a certain point we all had to accept "no AI" as a better alternative than "no MWIF".

Regards,

- Erik

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ORIGINAL: WIF_Killzone

-1 at least he paid attention to you

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

I guess I should say something here.

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I first got interested in AI in 1976 while working on my MBA. At that time I was able to read everything that had been published about AI (scholastic journals - no books for the general public existed). In 1980 I joined the AAAI (American Association for Artificial Intelligence) and went to their first annual meeting in San Francisco at my own expense. In the mid 1980's created 2 computer games from scratch, both of which had AI Opponents. Later in the 1980's, I worked for Boeing Computer Services, co-managing a group of 30+ programmers in AI applications. Most of those people had PhD's.

My interest in and enthusiasm for AI has not diminished over the years. So, yeah, I would really like to spend everyday, all day, working on the AIO for MWIF.

But an AIO needs a substrate on which to operate. If the simulated world is defective in any way, then writing the AIO code is a waste of time. Virtually every line of code written would have to be ripped out later and replaced.

So I sit in my foxhole, surrounded by computers and monitors, fixing bugs so I can eventually get to doing what I really want to spend my time on.

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

I guess I should say something here.

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I first got interested in AI in 1976 while working on my MBA. At that time I was able to read everything that had been published about AI (scholastic journals - no books for the general public existed). In 1980 I joined the AAAI (American Association for Artificial Intelligence) and went to their first annual meeting in San Francisco at my own expense. In the mid 1980's created 2 computer games from scratch, both of which had AI Opponents. Later in the 1980's, I worked for Boeing Computer Services, co-managing a group of 30+ programmers in AI applications. Most of those people had PhD's.

My interest in and enthusiasm for AI has not diminished over the years. So, yeah, I would really like to spend everyday, all day, working on the AIO for MWIF.

But an AIO needs a substrate on which to operate. If the simulated world is defective in any way, then writing the AIO code is a waste of time. Virtually every line of code written would have to be ripped out later and replaced.

So I sit in my foxhole, surrounded by computers and monitors, fixing bugs so I can eventually get to doing what I really want to spend my time on.

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ORIGINAL: rkr1958

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

I guess I should say something here.

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I first got interested in AI in 1976 while working on my MBA. At that time I was able to read everything that had been published about AI (scholastic journals - no books for the general public existed). In 1980 I joined the AAAI (American Association for Artificial Intelligence) and went to their first annual meeting in San Francisco at my own expense. In the mid 1980's created 2 computer games from scratch, both of which had AI Opponents. Later in the 1980's, I worked for Boeing Computer Services, co-managing a group of 30+ programmers in AI applications. Most of those people had PhD's.

My interest in and enthusiasm for AI has not diminished over the years. So, yeah, I would really like to spend everyday, all day, working on the AIO for MWIF.

But an AIO needs a substrate on which to operate. If the simulated world is defective in any way, then writing the AIO code is a waste of time. Virtually every line of code written would have to be ripped out later and replaced.

So I sit in my foxhole, surrounded by computers and monitors, fixing bugs so I can eventually get to doing what I really want to spend my time on.

Steve, you've more than paid your dues. I hope you get to pursue your passion for the AIO sooner than later.

By the way, even without an AIO I've gotten more than my money's worth so far out of MWiF. Without it there's no way that I would have even attempted WiF. Cardboard and paper wargames have not been practical in my life for nearly 3 decades now. Back to MWiF ... I'm having a blast and have invested well over 100 hours so far. Maybe even 200 hours so far (who's counting). That comes to a cost of 50c to $1.00 per hour. Any by the years end I expect to have that cost down to less than 10c per hour. That is cheap entertainment.

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: rkr1958

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

I guess I should say something here.

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I first got interested in AI in 1976 while working on my MBA. At that time I was able to read everything that had been published about AI (scholastic journals - no books for the general public existed). In 1980 I joined the AAAI (American Association for Artificial Intelligence) and went to their first annual meeting in San Francisco at my own expense. In the mid 1980's created 2 computer games from scratch, both of which had AI Opponents. Later in the 1980's, I worked for Boeing Computer Services, co-managing a group of 30+ programmers in AI applications. Most of those people had PhD's.

My interest in and enthusiasm for AI has not diminished over the years. So, yeah, I would really like to spend everyday, all day, working on the AIO for MWIF.

But an AIO needs a substrate on which to operate. If the simulated world is defective in any way, then writing the AIO code is a waste of time. Virtually every line of code written would have to be ripped out later and replaced.

So I sit in my foxhole, surrounded by computers and monitors, fixing bugs so I can eventually get to doing what I really want to spend my time on.

Steve, you've more than paid your dues. I hope you get to pursue your passion for the AIO sooner than later.

By the way, even without an AIO I've gotten more than my money's worth so far out of MWiF. Without it there's no way that I would have even attempted WiF. Cardboard and paper wargames have not been practical in my life for nearly 3 decades now. Back to MWiF ... I'm having a blast and have invested well over 100 hours so far. Maybe even 200 hours so far (who's counting). That comes to a cost of 50c to $1.00 per hour. Any by the years end I expect to have that cost down to less than 10c per hour. That is cheap entertainment.

Wow you are lucky rkr 1958, thats way below minimum wage also when I was very young, gas was 19 cents a gallon, a hoagie cost 25 cents, movies were 11 cents and that included not only the main movie but cartoons, news of the day, and the infamous chapter series that scared the hell out of me every saturday. Your 10 cents an hour brings back all those memories for me thank you You just made this game a 1950's bargain. Good post.

Bo

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ORIGINAL: WIF_Killzone

Thanks for piping in Steve. Sounds like you have more experience than god in the SDLC. Must have been a challenge working with those PHD peeps, and actually get them to deliver vs wondering theoretical discussions, then again the work sounds interesting. I always wondered about your background, impressive!

Good to also know you want to kick some AI butt, cant even fathom the accomplishments to date with the game development let alone tackling the AI and I can generally take deep dive into detail. I wrote a compiler years back and that almost broke my brain.

Perhaps you would consider, when the time comes, to put a little of BO's personality into the endeavor. You know, make some random messages appear after a successful AI attack. Then again, you could use one of mine from the forum, such as "take that you idiot"

Or how about, "I see you want to take Gibraltar, do you think that's a good idea?" or "I see you are building lots of subs" or maybe "I cant believe you just did that but I saw it coming"

Bo, do you have any hidden messages you would like built in, now's the time.

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ORIGINAL: RisingSun

Well i still have my money too, as soon they release AI then i will buy it and try it out. Once i get a hang of it and like the game, then i will move on to PBEM.

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: RisingSun

Well i still have my money too, as soon they release AI then i will buy it and try it out. Once i get a hang of it and like the game, then i will move on to PBEM.

Lets see the $100 US you are saving now can be put into the Vanguard funds and 10 years from now you will have enough money to buy a revised edition of War in the Pacific and have change left over Hmm maybe

Bo