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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/17/2014 6:37:09 PM

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Sep/Oct 1940
Impulse: 2

The Germans announce two attacks instead of just the one. Both sides decline HQ support, but the Germans can increase the odds in the south by bringing in two bombers.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/17/2014 6:48:08 PM

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The attack in Northern France was declared due to the unexpected ground strike success. This turns a 3:1 into a 3:1(+3) on the Blitz table - too good to pass up.

Its a 5(8). The French are shattered and the Germans convert to a retreat on the basis that the units could stop a potential future counter-attack (by being in the way).

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/17/2014 6:53:29 PM

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The main attack is a 4:1(+1) on the Blitz table....

....its a 7(8). The French lose one unit and the survivor is Shattered.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/17/2014 7:01:41 PM

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The Germans take a risk and use two HQ (Guderian and von Runstedt) to re-organise two fighters, a Stuka, an AA and an ART.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/17/2014 7:20:55 PM

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The Germans seem to be marching forward pretty steady, especially as they chew up the RAF over Belgium and France.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/18/2014 6:00:34 AM

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The Germans seem to be marching forward pretty steady, especially as they chew up the RAF over Belgium and France.

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Yes, bearing in mind its already Sep/Oct, I think its steady progress - certainly not spectacular. What I have learned over the last few games:

- It's vital not to allow the CW a foothold in Holland or Belgium
- The presence of a strong air force is vital
- Just one or two key/duff dice rolls can make/break an entire turn

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/18/2014 1:29:13 PM

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Yes, France will fall, but this campaign counts as an Allied victory. A Spanish strategy is off the table as it is to late in year to get through Spain quickly; all that is left is to deal with the Balkans in whatever fashion you think best, and then try and win the war in Russia. We all know how easily that works.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/19/2014 2:29:19 AM

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Sep/Oct 1940
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The die roll was a 3 - Fine everywhere. The big question is, what do France and the Commonwealth do now? The ground strikes previously by the Germans make a counter-attack - or even a better defensive position - more difficult.

In order to try and keep some sort of line I see no reason not to pull back from the Maginot Line now. The Germans (all Garrisons) are hardly going to be streaming over the border quickly.

The Allies have to keep their eye on the main prize here; every impulse that France remain in the game is a help to Uncle Joe and ultimate victory.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/19/2014 2:42:41 AM

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The French seal off - at least temporarily - the gap created between the armies in the Maginot Line and those to the west. The British keep hold of Antwerp this impulse. Gort and Alexander do not have enough points to support a total retreat into France. The British units in Belgium have to hope that the presence of the RN will stop any thoughts of a German attack. Gort reorganises a Hurricane, meaning that the RAF now have two fighters in France. Georges reorganises the Armoured Corps and the French 5th Infantry Corps (carried out after this screen shot was taken).

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/19/2014 8:07:45 PM

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Sep/Oct 1940
Impulse: 4

ARRGGGHHHH!!!!!

Adolf Hitler: Vas in ze name of Bonaparte's balls ver you doing? Dumbkopf!!!
Guderian: Sorry mein Fuhrer I vos buzy perfecting my Zaphod Beeblebrox impression und vos not sinking about ze next impulse.....

I cannot believe I used Guderian to reorganise a couple of aircraft! There he is, in prime position to smash an armoured wedge between the French troops in Alsace-Lorraine and those further west and I go and flip him

Good grief.....

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 7:06:29 PM

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It's time (or past time) to pick some US entry options. You need tension. Which options have you picked already?

OK. Your first priorities should be resources to Western Allies and resources to China. What comes next depends on how the tension is going. There are no bad options, but some are better than others. The immediate aim is to get gear up; for this you need 11 tension against both Ge/It and Ja. This might take only a few entry options, it might take a great many -- you are at the mercy of the dice. (Which frequently are not at all merciful. ) To repeat, though, you should pick the two resource options immediately.

Once you have picked resources to China, the Japanese have to decide if they are going to close the Burma road.

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Washington - July 1940

FDR's military advisor, Courtenay, has recommended some tension needs to be added re the Japanese and US Entry. FDR heeds the advice.

FDR (picks up the phone and speaks to the telephanist): Patch me through to that Japanese Mutha would you?
Telephanist: Certainly sir
FDR (hears the phone click but wastes no time on pleasantries); now listen here you little ****. What the **** do you think you are ******* playing at in ****** China? Now you listen to me and you listen real close you ****** ****. I am going to give you 24 hours to get the **** out of China or I'm gong to kick your ****** bony arse all the way from Peking to ***** Tokyo. Got that?
Sara Roosevelt (FDR's mum - sounding somewhat shocked and puzzled): Is that you Franklin?
FDR (horrified and struggling for words): Er.. no... er there's no Franklin here mom...I mean Ma'am..er and I'm definitely not the President...er...uhm...good day to you ma'am (slams the phone down).
FDR (composes himself and picks up the phone once more): I said Japanese Mutha not my mother! Whoever just put me through to my mom is sacked!!

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 7:14:36 PM

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Stalin claims the Finnish borderlands and the Germans say yes.

Maybe you should fight the winter war next time? At least if there are limited Soviet forces available for this campaign.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 7:29:33 PM

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The French seal off - at least temporarily - the gap created between the armies in the Maginot Line and those to the west. The British keep hold of Antwerp this impulse. Gort and Alexander do not have enough points to support a total retreat into France. The British units in Belgium have to hope that the presence of the RN will stop any thoughts of a German attack. Gort reorganises a Hurricane, meaning that the RAF now have two fighters in France. Georges reorganises the Armoured Corps and the French 5th Infantry Corps (carried out after this screen shot was taken).

Finally things looks better for Germany but now the summer is almost over and a early winter can save the French and Paris might hold out for next year.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 7:49:05 PM

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Sep/Oct 1940
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The French seal off - at least temporarily - the gap created between the armies in the Maginot Line and those to the west. The British keep hold of Antwerp this impulse. Gort and Alexander do not have enough points to support a total retreat into France. The British units in Belgium have to hope that the presence of the RN will stop any thoughts of a German attack. Gort reorganises a Hurricane, meaning that the RAF now have two fighters in France. Georges reorganises the Armoured Corps and the French 5th Infantry Corps (carried out after this screen shot was taken).

Finally things looks better for Germany but now the summer is almost over and a early winter can save the French and Paris might hold out for next year.

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Indeed. The Germans have had reasonable luck - particularly with ground strikes, which has meant the French have found counter-attacking, or even moving, difficult. The Germans have not had great luck with the land battles though i.e. no "monster" throws, so progress is not too bad considering.

Looks like a 1942 Barbarossa so I am considering other options if France can be despatched relatively quickly.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 7:58:17 PM

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Looks like a 1942 Barbarossa so I am considering other options if France can be despatched relatively quickly.

A Balkan campaign might be doable.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 7:59:04 PM

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One thing that is more likely of course is Italian entry into the war. Now that the Germans are in a reasonable position, Il Duce may summon up the courage to declare war on the Western Allies. However, and being the big brave soldier that he is, he will want to see a little more evidence that there is no chance of a French recovery first....

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 8:00:37 PM

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Looks like a 1942 Barbarossa so I am considering other options if France can be despatched relatively quickly.

A Balkan campaign might be doable.

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I was thinking of something a little less Balkany, and a bit more Iberiany.....

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 8:15:37 PM

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Looks like a 1942 Barbarossa so I am considering other options if France can be despatched relatively quickly.

A Balkan campaign might be doable.

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I was thinking of something a little less Balkany, and a bit more Iberiany.....

And that is a bit more fun but a lot more risky. But regardless on what Axis decides to do, or not do, in Iberia they need a Balkan strategy.

Edit: And I doubt that France will be despatched quickly. They will prevail.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 8:18:45 PM

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Looks like a 1942 Barbarossa so I am considering other options if France can be despatched relatively quickly.

A Balkan campaign might be doable.

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I was thinking of something a little less Balkany, and a bit more Iberiany.....

And that is a bit more fun but a lot more risky. But regardless on what Axis decides to do, or not do, in Iberia they need a Balkan strategy.

Edit: And I doubt that France will be despatched quickly. They will prevail.

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Why do the Axis need a Balkan strategy? What is the downside of leaving well alone?

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 8:31:59 PM

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Why do the Axis need a Balkan strategy? What is the downside of leaving well alone?

This could happen.

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YUGOSLAVIA The Commonwealth can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it
during any Allied declaration of war step if Yugoslavia is neutral and there are a
total of 4 or more Commonwealth corps in any adjacent countries.
France can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it during any Allied declaration of war step
if Yugoslavia is neutral and there are a total of 4 or more French corps in any adjacent countries.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 8:34:39 PM

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Why do the Axis need a Balkan strategy? What is the downside of leaving well alone?

Axis prefer to align Yugoslavia with them but to do so might often be tricky. Conquering Greece is usually the toughest part and that without providing the Allies for a opportunity to align Yugoslavia themselves.

But what is important is that Yugoslavia is not in a position to align with the Allies later in the war so if aligning Yugoslavia is out then I suggest that conquering Yugoslavia is a must.

RAC:
19.7 Axis minor countries
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Yugoslavia
An Axis major power that controls Athens can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it during any Axis
declaration of war step if:
� Yugoslavia is neutral; and
� Italy, Hungary, Rumania, Bulgaria, Greece and Albania are all Axis controlled.
....
19.8 Allied minor countries
Yugoslavia
The Commonwealth can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it during any Allied declaration of war step
if Yugoslavia is neutral and there are a total of 4 or more Commonwealth corps in any adjacent countries.
France can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it during any Allied declaration of war step if Yugoslavia
is neutral and there are a total of 4 or more French corps in any adjacent countries.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 8:34:46 PM

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Why do the Axis need a Balkan strategy? What is the downside of leaving well alone?

This could happen.

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YUGOSLAVIA The Commonwealth can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it
during any Allied declaration of war step if Yugoslavia is neutral and there are a
total of 4 or more Commonwealth corps in any adjacent countries.
France can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it during any Allied declaration of war step
if Yugoslavia is neutral and there are a total of 4 or more French corps in any adjacent countries.

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But that presumably means the CW invading Greece? That sounds incredibly difficult - and potentially a CW graveyard - for limited German defence, given the mountainous terrain, no?

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 8:37:07 PM

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Why do the Axis need a Balkan strategy? What is the downside of leaving well alone?

Axis prefer to align Yugoslavia with them but to do so might often be tricky. Conquering Greece is usually the toughest part and that without providing the Allies for a opportunity to align Yugoslavia themselves.

But what is important is that Yugoslavia is not in a position to align with the Allies later in the war so if aligning Yugoslavia is out then I suggest that conquering Yugoslavia is a must.

RAC:
19.7 Axis minor countries
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Yugoslavia
An Axis major power that controls Athens can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it during any Axis
declaration of war step if:
� Yugoslavia is neutral; and
� Italy, Hungary, Rumania, Bulgaria, Greece and Albania are all Axis controlled.
....
19.8 Allied minor countries
Yugoslavia
The Commonwealth can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it during any Allied declaration of war step
if Yugoslavia is neutral and there are a total of 4 or more Commonwealth corps in any adjacent countries.
France can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it during any Allied declaration of war step if Yugoslavia
is neutral and there are a total of 4 or more French corps in any adjacent countries.

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Interesting stuff - maybe I'll go for a Spanish AND a Yugoslav/Greek campaign

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 8:38:58 PM

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This could happen.

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YUGOSLAVIA The Commonwealth can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it
during any Allied declaration of war step if Yugoslavia is neutral and there are a
total of 4 or more Commonwealth corps in any adjacent countries.
France can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it during any Allied declaration of war step
if Yugoslavia is neutral and there are a total of 4 or more French corps in any adjacent countries.

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But that presumably means the CW invading Greece? That sounds incredibly difficult - and potentially a CW graveyard - for limited German defence, given the mountainous terrain, no?

Or Albania, Italy or Germany. Four CW Corps in Sicily is enough trouble for Italy without having the Yugoslavian army in the rear area.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 8:42:31 PM

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Why do the Axis need a Balkan strategy? What is the downside of leaving well alone?

This could happen.

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YUGOSLAVIA The Commonwealth can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it
during any Allied declaration of war step if Yugoslavia is neutral and there are a
total of 4 or more Commonwealth corps in any adjacent countries.
France can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it during any Allied declaration of war step
if Yugoslavia is neutral and there are a total of 4 or more French corps in any adjacent countries.

warspite1

But that presumably means the CW invading Greece? That sounds incredibly difficult - and potentially a CW graveyard - for limited German defence, given the mountainous terrain, no?

Or Albania, Italy or Germany. Four CW Corps in Sicily is enough trouble for Italy without having the Yugoslavian army in the rear area.

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Ahhhh..... hadn't thought of Sicily / Sardinia..... Yes I see why the Germans would want to deal with that possibility in advance.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/20/2014 8:45:10 PM

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Ahhhh..... hadn't thought of Sicily / Sardinia..... Yes I see why the Germans would want to deal with that possibility in advance.

Only Sicily counts here. Sardinia do not count as part of the Italian home country.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/21/2014 12:39:49 AM

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Why do the Axis need a Balkan strategy? What is the downside of leaving well alone?

This could happen.

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YUGOSLAVIA The Commonwealth can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it
during any Allied declaration of war step if Yugoslavia is neutral and there are a
total of 4 or more Commonwealth corps in any adjacent countries.
France can declare that Yugoslavia is aligning with it during any Allied declaration of war step
if Yugoslavia is neutral and there are a total of 4 or more French corps in any adjacent countries.

warspite1

But that presumably means the CW invading Greece? That sounds incredibly difficult - and potentially a CW graveyard - for limited German defence, given the mountainous terrain, no?

Any adjacent country means any adjacent country. If the CW gets four corps in Albania or Italy, that will do it too. In other words, four CW corps in Sicily will trigger the activation of Yugoslavia. It is a very rare game of WiF that does not see four Allied corps in Italy at some point.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/21/2014 3:48:13 AM

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Ahhhh..... hadn't thought of Sicily / Sardinia..... Yes I see why the Germans would want to deal with that possibility in advance.

Only Sicily counts here. Sardinia do not count as part of the Italian home country.

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Ah yes - the MAR rule. Forgot that.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/21/2014 3:54:48 AM

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Sep/Oct 1940
Impulse: 4

The Germans go for one ground strike, ordering a Stuka to attack the 7th Infantry Corps and Metz Militia northeast of Paris. There are no French fighters to intercept.

Once again the bombing is precise - what the Japanese would give for one of these!!

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 8/21/2014 4:04:46 AM

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Sep/Oct 1940
Impulse: 4

There will be two attacks this impulse:

Northeast of Paris
Rheims

For the latter attack Karl Student and his Fallschirmjager will be called into action for the third time.