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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 9:43:07 AM

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AA throws now:

There are no rolls. I will check if this is a bug in a minute. But if not, I am told there are no damage points.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 9:46:00 AM

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A throw of 1. Disorganised and damaged. I am told there is no viable target although there is a second transport to attack???

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 9:48:17 AM

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The carrier aircraft land safely this time. I check Cagliari and there is one disorganised TRS. I check the repair pool and there is the second TRS.

Right reading time to see if this is all correct.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 10:35:10 AM

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It is correct. A abort result in a port strike just disorganizes the target. So on a already disorganized target it is no result.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 11:03:41 AM

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Not according to my calculations - which are probably wrong though

Okay so here goes:
Axis threw a 5 and the Allies threw a 10
Axis Surprise Points = 13 Allies Surprise Points = 8
Allies
Search number = 3 + Opponents Search roll = 5. Total = 8
Axis
Search number = 3 (minor port) + Opponents Search roll = 10. Total = 13
The Air to Air combat value was increased (own) and decreased (Enemy)
Axis = 3 Allied = 3
The Air to Air combat all checks out allowing for the +1 and -1.
So to the AA fire:
Total the target units AA factors = 1
Cross reference with 2 bombers = 0 AA throws.
Cross referencing the Air to Sea (8-10) and the no. of ships (2) gives:
X, D and 2A.
I rolled a 1 firstly. This is = or less than the ships Defence factor of 6. So this should have been an X result.
But the damage risks showing are: 1D and 3A.
Either a bug or I have read this wrong.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 11:04:14 AM

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I'll see if I can re-create this.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 11:12:51 AM

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Right here goes.

So the question is: Why are the expected losses 1 damaged and 3 aborted?

I have 8 Air to Sea factors and there are two ships with 1 AA factor between them.

Interestingly the picture shows two TRS - both with 5 defence rating. But one of the TRS actually has 6.....

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 11:14:38 AM

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I use my surprise points to amend the Air to Air combat both +1 for the Axis and -1 for the Allies.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 11:21:06 AM

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Got it!!

After the Italian Fighter is aborted the second Swordfish is not recorded as getting through. They both appear in the AA fire table but the computer only assumes one has got through.

This then makes sense because using the 4 Air to Sea column gives the D and 3A expected losses announcement.

So another bug I'm afraid....

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 1:42:27 PM

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Good that you solved it.

I am ashamed to say that I misunderstood it earlier.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 2:18:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Orm

Good that you solved it.

warspite1

No I don't think I did. Air to Sea factors are halved in rain. I think this is correct.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 3:00:54 PM

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Amidst all that faffing about the CW have landed two corps on Sardinia - the 2nd British and the 4th Canadian.

The turn fails to end and the weather remains poor, although is now Rain in the North Temperate rather than Snow....

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 3:03:10 PM

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With a slight improvement in weather conditions the Wehrmacht are hoping to get things moving in the Soviet Union once more. Unfortunately they just cannot get the required odds and so matters continue to stall.

There is little to do in the Mediterranean. The TRS situation means that Sardinia won't be reinforced with troops any time soon.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 3:17:17 PM

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Damn! The turn ends.... The CW do not get to consolidate their landing in Sardinia. How expensive will that prove to be?

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 3:20:58 PM

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and besides, its impossible to play this game too much.

Quoted for truth.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 3:31:47 PM

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Impulse: Production

Germany:
Offensive Chit
ENG DIV
MIL
MECH
FTR
2 x LND
2 x Pilot
SUB (2nd Cycle)

Italy:
INF
TRS (Repair)
FTR
Pilot

Japan:
Karyu (2nd Cycle)
2 x CARR AIR
Pilot
MAR DIV

Vichy France:
TERR

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 3:46:53 PM

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China:
ENG DIV
CAV DIV
MOT DIV

Commonwealth:
AMPH (2nd Cycle)
2 x LND
3 x Pilot
FTR
MAR
INF DIV

USA:
2 x ARM
2 x AMPH
2 x CARR AIR
4 x Pilot
Motorised
MAR DIV
LND

USSR:
3 x INF
MIL
2 x GARR
MECH
Pilot
2 x FTR
LND

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 3:50:18 PM

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Impulse: Reinforcement

Germany:
MIL
INF
INF DIV
MOT
MECH
ARM
FTR
LND
NAV

Italy:
Lepanto
Taranto
SUB

Japan:
CARR AIR
MECH
INF

Vich France:
TERR (Alg)

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 4:00:53 PM

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Impulse: Reinforcement

China:
CAV
MECH DIV
INF (Comm)

Commonwealth:
2 x CARR AIR
NAV
LND
FTR
HMS Thunderer
HMS Frobisher

USA:
USS Essex
CARR AIR
2 x INF
MAR
ARM HQ

USSR:
MIL
5 x INF
4 x FTR
LND

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 4:05:57 PM

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Impulse: Initiative and Weather

Axis 3:9 Allied

Weather = 2 Fine everywhere(except Arctic)!!!
For the 3rd time at 80% the US fail to declare war on Germany and Italy.....

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 4:23:46 PM

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quote:

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Good that you solved it.

warspite1

No I don't think I did. Air to Sea factors are halved in rain. I think this is correct.

Then now I am correct.

Good that you solved it.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 4:27:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

Good that you solved it.

warspite1

No I don't think I did. Air to Sea factors are halved in rain. I think this is correct.

Then now I am correct.

Good that you solved it.

warspite1

Yes I tried it again using the lesser quality Swordfish as bombers to see if the calculation would be correct (allowing for Rain) and it was. So its good there is no bug if a battle happens - but bad that there is one if a battle doesn't!

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 4:44:03 PM

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Interestingly the picture shows two TRS - both with 5 defence rating. But one of the TRS actually has 6

All TRS should have a defence rating of 5. But if it is damaged then that value is one higher. So a 5 becomes a 6. So I suspect that the TRS with a value of 6 when you looked at it was damaged.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/7/2014 5:00:25 PM

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Interestingly the picture shows two TRS - both with 5 defence rating. But one of the TRS actually has 6

All TRS should have a defence rating of 5. But if it is damaged then that value is one higher. So a 5 becomes a 6. So I suspect that the TRS with a value of 6 when you looked at it was damaged.

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Orm you are a mine of information

Where the hell did you pick up that tidbit of info from???

Yes, the TRS is now being repaired and shows on the Production Track as a 5. Here it is last turn (pre-repair the turn she got damaged) in the Repair Pool as a 6.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/8/2014 6:43:38 AM

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The Allies have had a real break with the weather here (although the Soviets aren't happy!) but the CW have little choice but to undertake a naval for the first impulse in order to get their units into place. They must then hope that the weather stays kind later in the turn....

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/8/2014 7:56:26 AM

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The US meanwhile have a plan to reinforce the Philippines. I have somewhat mucked up on the carrier aircraft front. I have three more Essex-class arriving next turn but the aircraft for them are lagging behind.

This has been an excellent game to really get my teeth into what needs to be thought about by both sides (there is just sooo much) and one thing I think is crystal clear. A lot more thought (including written plans and memory joggers) needs to be employed for each turn, and indeed each impulse.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/8/2014 8:12:40 AM

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The Soviets in the north decide that the benefits of being in a city are outweighed by being further away from German aircraft! and also holding a line; Pskov and Vitebsk are therefore abandoned.

In the south there is really not much that can be done but for units in Stalino, Kharkov and Kursk to hold fast and hope that the dice god is kind....

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/8/2014 8:32:12 AM

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The Italians leave nothing to chance and occupy the Italian Coast - they don't want the units in Cagliari being out of supply.

The Japanese have a whole host of problems - Communists are causing problems not only in China but also threatening Korea, while in southern and central China the situation is far from under control.

I haven't even considered garrisoning Truk! Good grief....

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/8/2014 8:43:34 AM

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Targets for the Germans are becoming are difficult to find in the Soviet Union. The constant need to re-base aircraft is tough. There are only two ground strikes this impulse - against Kharkov and north of Smolensk.

In the Med, ground striking the CW units on Sardinia is tempting but the best bomber is out of position and the Italians simply cannot afford to risk NAV on such missions.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse IV - Nice AArse - 9/8/2014 8:46:30 AM

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The Germans had not noticed there is a AA unit in Kharkov.