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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/17/2015 9:48:46 PM

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Nice raid! When you decided not to attack with the Brit CVs and bring in LBA to do the job, I thought the delay might mean you missed the APDs and other amphibs.
Glad to see you caught them with their Tojos down around their ankles!

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/17/2015 10:48:37 PM

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Oh, I know damage to BBs from the bombers would be minimal. But I wouldn't keep mine where they'd have to take it day after day. Things (fire) can happen.

In the next couple weeks, CF'll be introduced to the F4U-1. We'll see how Tojo fares.

I wish I would have hit things like ADs and ASs.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/18/2015 1:25:56 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Nice raid! When you decided not to attack with the Brit CVs and bring in LBA to do the job, I thought the delay might mean you missed the APDs and other amphibs.
Glad to see you caught them with their Tojos down around their ankles!

I'm sure when it's quiet for so long, it's very easy to get complacent.

I like to do the random attack out of nowhere. Probably drives him nuts.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/19/2015 2:07:14 PM

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14 January 1943

Today was fairly quiet. Lot of air activity the previous day, and I managed to beat up on his fighters a bit. Everyone's recovering today. I'm getting engineers and support to some of the more backwoods bases in India. I'll be pretty fluid and flexible when everything's set up.

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Morning Air attack on Nagpur , at 44,28

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 37

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6
P-40K Warhawk x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-44-IIc Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.258 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (2 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 30000.
Raid is overhead
51st FG/16th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 24000 and 28000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
51st FG/25th FS with P-40K Warhawk (3 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 27000 and 29580.
Raid is overhead
23rd FG/76th FS with P-40K Warhawk (3 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters to 29580.
Raid is overhead

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Morning Air attack on Nagpur , at 44,28

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 102 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 4

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 3
P-40K Warhawk x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
51st FG/16th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 22000 and 32000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
23rd FG/76th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 18000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 79 minutes
No.258 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
51st FG/25th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 19000 and 23000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 17
A6M5 Zero x 18

Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
253 Ku S-1 with A6M3a Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 17 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
286 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 33220.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 13
A6M5 Zero x 4

Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
253 Ku S-1 with A6M3a Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
286 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 34197.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes

My troops finally departed Katherine and didn't get bombed.

My forces for Adak are getting close to readiness. A little over 60 now. I'll be pulling the trigger on that soon. I'll stage them at Dutch Harbor first and send the mob over from there. I'll have the invasion TF itself, a bombardment group, an ASW group and a minesweeping group. Standard Ed doctrine. Air from Umnak will assist.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/19/2015 3:38:20 PM

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No CVEs for Adak? I'd think that would be a good addition to the fleet.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/19/2015 5:54:27 PM

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I thought hard about it, but I think I can keep this one on the surface. I don't want too much to provoke certain elements of the IJN.

I've been getting tons of real, bona fide amphibious ships lately. Hopefully, they make the next invasion go smoothly.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/19/2015 8:08:18 PM

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quote:

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I thought hard about it, but I think I can keep this one on the surface. I don't want too much to provoke certain elements of the IJN.

Perhaps it's possible. You won't be able to provide effective LRCAP over the invasion fleet so you better make sure the Japanese can't put up any bombers against you. That being said, I don't think 1 or 2 CVEs will draw the KB up here. Aleutians are pretty far away from everything else as well; should that happen you could cause all sorts of trouble elsewhere. But I agree that should the KB sortie here there could be some trouble on the return trip if you went back the way you came. But I do see a solution that would probably baffle the Japanese and allow you to pull off the invasion safely; instead of withdrawing your CVEs and invasion to the SE send them up NE to Nome to wait a week or so to see if the KB is trying to cut you off. Should this happen you will have a free hand somewhere else while the KB searches aimlessly for your ships which they will almost certainly not find.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/25/2015 12:11:38 AM

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Hankow's looking shaky now. The odds are creeping down, as well as the kill ratio. This is the third straight day of attacks. It'll probably fall in a day or two.

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Ground combat at Hankow (85,50)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 54679 troops, 467 guns, 189 vehicles, Assault Value = 2704

Defending force 43738 troops, 122 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 199

Japanese adjusted assault: 1774

Allied adjusted defense: 121

Japanese assault odds: 14 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
693 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 50 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1392 casualties reported
Squads: 60 destroyed, 103 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 21 (3 destroyed, 18 disabled)

Assaulting units:
116th/B Division
22nd Division
25th/A Division
116th/A Division
39th Division
56th Division
13th RGC Temp. Division
3rd/B Division
11th RGC Temp. Division
17th Division
25th/B Division
25th/C Division
3rd/A Division
3rd/C Division
2nd Ind Engineer Regiment
116th/C Division
51st Field Const Co
13th Army
Hankow Special Base Force
54th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
59th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps
68th Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
45th Chinese Corps
94th Chinese Corps
26th Group Army

Judging from the ratio at Wuchang, I have a 4-1 AV ratio there, so I'll take a shot. Supplies are poor, so I don't expect much, but there's the chance he robbed a bit too much from there.

My Adak invasion departed Seattle. The 87th Mountain Rgt and the 4th Raiders plus combat engineers and 3 battalions of artillery. One battleship with the landings and two more to bombard out front. Air from Umnak will also prep when the BBs get near. Hopefully, I'm not too light. I have a full infantry division at San Fran I recently flipped over, but they're not prepped for anything right now. If I have to abort, I'll use them as extra muscle for a second shot.

Otherwise, I'll use them for the Noumea/Luganville offensive. When the time comes for that one, a lot of shipping will be involved. I only have enough assault transports for one job at a time right now. A bunch more LSTs and the like are enroute to Pearl.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/26/2015 1:42:49 AM

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21 January 1943

Hankow is holding on -- barely.

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Ground combat at Hankow (85,50)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 64729 troops, 550 guns, 193 vehicles, Assault Value = 2700

Defending force 41017 troops, 109 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 77

Japanese adjusted assault: 1972

Allied adjusted defense: 73

Japanese assault odds: 27 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
210 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
2586 casualties reported
Squads: 100 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 17 (6 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd/A Division
11th RGC Temp. Division
3rd/B Division
13th RGC Temp. Division
56th Division
25th/C Division
25th/A Division
39th Division
25th/B Division
17th Division
2nd Ind Engineer Regiment
22nd Division
116th Division
3rd/C Division
51st Field Const Co
Hankow Special Base Force
13th Army
54th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
59th Chinese Corps
68th Chinese Corps
94th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
67th Chinese Corps
26th Group Army

My new F4U squadron in Bombay is two planes away from filling out. I must have drawn too soon, as I can't pull the last ones in yet. 6 sitting in the pool.

My new recon Spits are at Warangal, checking Cuttack next turn. Nice range on these. Base building going on in lots of places.

Adak force is about 1/3 the way to Dutch Harbor.

I have an Aussie division at Aden. Not enough APs to haul them outright. I'm debating whether to move them in shifts or wait for some more xAPs to arrive from Cape Town. I'd like a few more escorts to arrive first.

All the troops from the Raipur attack are now resting at well stocked rear bases. Hopefully they can be healed before anything big happens in India again. Cocanada is sitting in perpetual standoff mode. I'd love to pile in the bodies there and overrun him, but I'd probably attract the fossil battleships.

Quiet everywhere else, apart from the perpetual bombings in China. I've bagged a few xAKs recently with my subs, between PI and Japan.

< Message edited by Mundy -- 3/26/2015 7:42:43 PM >

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/26/2015 9:06:46 PM

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22 January 1942

Hankow falls.

A Continental P-38G squadron shows up at Tacoma. I set Kodiak and my Aleutian bases to West Coast Command so I can move them there. Extra help for the landings. I'll probably sweep first, since I did deal with Zekes in the area earlier.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/29/2015 7:16:20 PM

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Adak is getting prepped and landed upon. I had to deal with a couple subs first, and beat them up a bit.

quote:

ASW attack near Adak Island at 162,52

Japanese Ships
SS I-21, hits 13

Allied Ships
BB Maryland
CA Minneapolis
CA Salt Lake City
CL Phoenix
CL Richmond
DD Russell
DD Farenholt
DD Blue
DD Bagley

SS I-21 is sighted by escort
DD Blue attacking submerged sub ....
DD Bagley fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Blue fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Bagley fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Bagley attacking submerged sub ....
DD Bagley attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-21 eludes ASW attack from DD Bagley
DD Bagley fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Adak Island at 162,52

Japanese Ships
SS RO-34, hits 7

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia
CL Columbia
CLAA Juneau
DD Bailey
AP W.A. Holbrook
AP J. Franklin Bell
AP Zeilin
AP Harris
AP Wharton
AK Alchiba
AK Alhena
AK Betelgeuse
LST-452
LST-447
DD Hammann
DD Anderson

SS RO-34 is sighted by escort
DD Hammann fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Anderson attacking submerged sub ....
DD Anderson fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Anderson attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

The I boat had one "real" hit in the mix.

Next came the bombardment and landing.

quote:

Night Naval bombardment of Adak Island at 162,52

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
H6K4 Mavis: 7 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
BB Colorado
BB Maryland
CA Minneapolis
CA Astoria
CA New Orleans
CA Salt Lake City
CL Phoenix
CL Richmond
DD Blue
DD Bagley
DD Russell
DD Farenholt

Japanese ground losses:
881 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 58 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 44
Port hits 21
Port supply hits 6

BB Colorado firing at Adak Island
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Maryland
BB Maryland firing at Adak Island
SOC-1 Seagull acting as spotter for CA Minneapolis
CA Minneapolis firing at 83rd Naval Guard Unit
CA Astoria firing at Adak Island
CA New Orleans firing at 83rd Naval Guard Unit
CA Salt Lake City firing at Adak Island
CL Phoenix firing at Adak Island
CL Richmond firing at Adak Island
DD Blue firing at Adak Island
DD Bagley firing at Adak Island
DD Russell firing at Adak Island
DD Farenholt firing at 83rd Naval Guard Unit

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Pre-Invasion action off Adak Island (162,52)

15 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia
CL Columbia
CLAA Juneau
DD Anderson
DD Barton
LST-447
AP W.A. Holbrook
DD Hammann
LST-452

Japanese ground losses:
322 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 29 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

BB West Virginia firing at 7th Base Force
CL Columbia firing at 83rd Naval Guard Unit
CLAA Juneau firing at 7th Base Force
DD Anderson firing at 7th Base Force
DD Barton firing at 7th Base Force
DD Anderson fired at enemy troops
DD Barton fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

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Invasion Support action off Adak Island (162,52)

18 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia
CL Columbia
CLAA Juneau
DD Hammann
DD Bailey
DD Barton
AP W.A. Holbrook
LST-447
LST-452
DD Bancroft

Japanese ground losses:
102 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

BB West Virginia firing at 83rd Naval Guard Unit
CL Columbia firing at 83rd Naval Guard Unit
CLAA Juneau firing at 5th JNAF AF Unit
DD Hammann firing at 83rd Naval Guard Unit
DD Bailey firing at 5th JNAF AF Unit
DD Barton firing at 83rd Naval Guard Unit
DD Hammann fired at enemy troops
DD Bailey fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 6,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

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Invasion Support action off Adak Island (162,52)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

5 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LST-447
AP W.A. Holbrook

LST-447 fired at enemy troops

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Amphibious Assault at Adak Island (162,52)

TF 38 troops unloading over beach at Adak Island, 162,52

Allied ground losses:
1319 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 223 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 133 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 97 (2 destroyed, 95 disabled)
Vehicles lost 71 (0 destroyed, 71 disabled)

0.5in AAMG Sect (2) accidentally lost during unload of 50th Cmbt Engr Rgt
155mm M1 Howitzer accidentally lost during unload of 188th FA Bn

The landing itself sucked. At this point, I'll restrict myself to bombardments, as I don't think I can topple them yet. The bombardment group is going back for a second round. At Dutch Harbor, the follow up group with the base and support forces is unloading them. I have another USA regiment I forgot about which is fully prepped for Adak, so I'll be sending them over. I had forgotten that I was preparing some invasions the better part of a year ago.

About four days back, CF took a shot at Wuchang. His odds were good, but he took the brunt of the casualties. It'll be awhile, but I'm sure it will finally fall.

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Ground combat at Wuchang (84,51)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 105258 troops, 908 guns, 507 vehicles, Assault Value = 3172

Defending force 123979 troops, 142 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2403

Japanese adjusted assault: 1971

Allied adjusted defense: 767

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
7634 casualties reported
Squads: 49 destroyed, 710 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 65 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 109 disabled
Guns lost 81 (3 destroyed, 78 disabled)
Vehicles lost 45 (2 destroyed, 43 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2999 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 304 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 98 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
116th Division
17th Division
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
22nd Division
3rd Division
39th Division
15th Tank Regiment
2nd Ind.Mixed Regiment
58th Division
11th RGC Temp. Division
9th Tank Regiment
56th Division
13th RGC Temp. Division
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
13th Army
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
99th Chinese Corps
18th Chinese Corps
53rd Chinese Corps
10th Chinese Corps
44th Chinese Corps
74th Chinese Corps
87th Chinese Corps
73rd Chinese Corps
79th Chinese Corps
26th Chinese Corps
20th Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
66th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
4th Heavy Mortar Regiment

There's a low grade siege at Nanning with one unit vs one unit. Liuchow is also under siege.

Yesterday, I took my new F4U-1 squadron out for a jaunt.

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Morning Air attack on Raipur , at 45,31

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 15
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 21
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 17
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 13

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (3 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
17 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 18000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes
6th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (4 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 30000.
Raid is overhead
25th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (1 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 24000 and 32560.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 25000 and 32540.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes

In April, I'll start getting my Hellcats and that should start turning things around on that end. I'll have about 130 a month coming in at that point. I'll probably flip two of the VMFs in India to Hellcats with Corsairs for the other two. I'll take care of my carriers as I can. With the CVs and CVEs (hopefully) stocked with them, I might be able to do more daring things.

I'm moving all my amphibious capable transports from Pearl to Suva, along with a bunch of battleships and all my carriers. More transports are moving troops from New Zealand to Suva, also. I'm probably going to take a shot at Noumea. The carrier air should deter the big nest of Betties he has there. Three CVs and eight CVEs will be present, and I'll have many different task forces involved, so if KB decides to take a shot, they'll probably get diluted a bit.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/29/2015 8:14:07 PM

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Well I think you may just be able to get away with the low prepped landing at Adak. You need to wait some turns for the LCUs to recover but you didn't take a lot of destroyed squads. Not ideal but it seems it may work against the rather small garrison there. Just be careful about being cut off heading east. You won't have any warning of a CV attack if it comes from the south. And you wouldn't be the first AFB to be burned returning from an Adak invasion like that. I know it sounds paranoid to send your ships to Nome and just wait but we know that CF has a penchant for hitting your invasion forces AFTER they have hit their target along their return route.

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I'm moving all my amphibious capable transports from Pearl to Suva, along with a bunch of battleships and all my carriers. More transports are moving troops from New Zealand to Suva, also. I'm probably going to take a shot at Noumea. The carrier air should deter the big nest of Betties he has there. Three CVs and eight CVEs will be present, and I'll have many different task forces involved, so if KB decides to take a shot, they'll probably get diluted a bit.

Suva is within patrol range of Japanese bases like Ndeni. Its not a place to put CVs or BBs for more than a couple of days. But I don't think it is time for a Noumea invasion yet. There are still lower hanging fruit. Too much LBA to deal with in the New Caledonia region to grab a real foothold. I fear that an invasion of it may succeed in taking the base but without CV superiority the KB can counterattack and the Japanese will just land reinforcements in the north of the island. The invasion of Guadalcanal worked IRL when there was parity in CVs but you haven't gotten there yet.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/29/2015 9:36:04 PM

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I'm open to suggestions for lower hanging fruit. The Gilberts don't look ready to take yet, as well as the Marshalls. Someplace like Diego Garcia may be promising, but intel says he's using at least fragments of a division to hold it.

I have a lot of fighters at Suva which can ferry to Noumea once it's taken. I don't know how much I want to weaken Suva at this point, though.

My Adak invasion was around 65 prep. Not ideal, but I'm guessing the usual northern weather played a part. The spare regiment at Dutch is as 100.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/29/2015 10:29:54 PM

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You might consider taking/building up Christmas Island (IO) to threaten that flank and make him spread out his defences, especially fighters.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/29/2015 10:43:16 PM

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30 January 1942

Despite the disastrous landing at Adak, it looks like we're nearly even, strenghtwise. My bombardment seems to be hurting a bit, so I'll keep it up. My regiment is loading now. Hopefully, unloading via xAPs won't be too harmful.

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Ground combat at Adak Island (162,52)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 210 troops, 34 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 51

Defending force 4083 troops, 34 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 65

Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
87th Mountain Regiment
4th Marine Raider Battalion
50th Cmbt Engineer Regiment
183rd Field Artillery Battalion
188th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
83rd Naval Guard Unit
7th Base Force
5th JNAF AF Unit

Hopefully, India will be quiet for awhile. I made a point of showing off my Corsairs, so it may give pause to any adventurism. Of course, he doesn't know I have only one squadron up to strength...

Another squadron there has flipped over to them, but they only have 6 planes right now. Pool is empty, so it'll be a few weeks. 2.5 months can't come fast enough, where I'll be up to my armpits in F6Fs. Shortly after that, my new fleet carriers will show up.

My recovering LCUs in India are recovering nicely. I can see an appreciable AV gain every turn. The armored units are nearly up to strength already. I'm still waiting for enough transports to ship the Aussie infantry division over.

No IJN subs showed up at Adak this turn. I think I beat them both off nicely. One of the DDs there was shooting off 3 Y guns at a time, which seems to help the hit rate a bit.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/29/2015 10:47:28 PM

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You might consider taking/building up Christmas Island (IO) to threaten that flank and make him spread out his defences, especially fighters.

That would be quite the chore. I know he's running plenty of Netties in the area, as some of my transports have discovered. It would take quite a while to put the pieces in place and they'd be committed to just there. I'd probably have to run out of Perth to do it.

If I consider that route, I may wait for some more RN carriers to pull that off. It would be hard for KB to interfere, assuming they're at Truk. Once I get the new USN CVs, I could probably dedicate a bunch of CVE to that.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/30/2015 2:41:48 PM

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Keep an eye on those Indian armoured units. I had at least one of them (Patalia Lancers, I think) get up to full strength and then change over from armoured cars to tanks, but getting just one or two of them, dropping the AV to 1 or 2. Of course it was garrison for a base at the time, and I had to rush in another unit with 30 AV.

The great part about Indian units filling out is that their morale also goes up quickly as they get more of their TOE. Now if their leaders didn't all have such lousy Land and Aggression ratings ... and high PP ratings to change them!

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/30/2015 3:25:10 PM

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I'll have to do a review on what I've got. I've just been busy trying to stockpile bodies at this point. I think I've added about four divisions to what would normally be sent to India.

I'll keep the USMC units at the pointy end.

I had some Indian paras show up at Madras -- depleted of course. I'd say they're at about 80% right now. I've no shortage of cargo planes in-country, so I can incorporate them into whatever plan I eventually come up with.

All my units from the Raipur expedition are at Karachi, North Hyderabad and Bombay. All where the supply is highest. I've also been stuffing lots of flak at my forward airfields.

I've been developing lots of the little airfields in the rear, too. I've also moved all the heavy bombers I've had piled into Delhi to other bases with a better supply situation. Planes weren't really repairing very well there. I'm taking care of them for now, as the bomber pools are pretty empty

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/30/2015 3:38:15 PM

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India starts out with poor air support - just what is in the base forces. Around now you should start receiving British Air Wings and BFs to go with the Air Group HQs that were at Columbo, Singapore and Rangoon. They show up at Aden but may need to fill out a bit, so I leave them at Aden until TOE and morale are decent.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/30/2015 6:49:12 PM

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I'm open to suggestions for lower hanging fruit. The Gilberts don't look ready to take yet, as well as the Marshalls. Someplace like Diego Garcia may be promising, but intel says he's using at least fragments of a division to hold it.

Well what about Horn Island? What's the situation like in NW OZ? Either way, I think you are probably 6 months away from being able to launch a successful amphibious campaign in the Pacific. North Pacific is the exception because there is no depth behind Adak; everywhere else you would land there are supporting Japanese bases to the rear which can not be so easily suppressed.

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I have a lot of fighters at Suva which can ferry to Noumea once it's taken. I don't know how much I want to weaken Suva at this point, though.

I'm sure you can. But what good are those fighters going to be when the Japanese bombard the base with cruisers at night? There are going to be stuck damaged on the airfields. To launch a successful invasion you don't just have to take the base; you need to defend it. Retaking isolated Allied bases after heavy suppression isn't a difficult task for Japan even in 43.

What I'd really like to see you do in this game right now is take control of the air situation in New Guinea. Let's see those P-38s and F4Us knocking down Japanese fighters and 4E cleaning up the mess with favorable kill ratios. Once you have established some dominance there I believe it start opening up other adventures for you.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/31/2015 3:01:52 AM

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I'm open to suggestions for lower hanging fruit. The Gilberts don't look ready to take yet, as well as the Marshalls. Someplace like Diego Garcia may be promising, but intel says he's using at least fragments of a division to hold it.

Well what about Horn Island? What's the situation like in NW OZ? Either way, I think you are probably 6 months away from being able to launch a successful amphibious campaign in the Pacific. North Pacific is the exception because there is no depth behind Adak; everywhere else you would land there are supporting Japanese bases to the rear which can not be so easily suppressed.

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I have a lot of fighters at Suva which can ferry to Noumea once it's taken. I don't know how much I want to weaken Suva at this point, though.

I'm sure you can. But what good are those fighters going to be when the Japanese bombard the base with cruisers at night? There are going to be stuck damaged on the airfields. To launch a successful invasion you don't just have to take the base; you need to defend it. Retaking isolated Allied bases after heavy suppression isn't a difficult task for Japan even in 43.

What I'd really like to see you do in this game right now is take control of the air situation in New Guinea. Let's see those P-38s and F4Us knocking down Japanese fighters and 4E cleaning up the mess with favorable kill ratios. Once you have established some dominance there I believe it start opening up other adventures for you.

There may be some opportunities open to the Allies because both players were green when they started, as evidenced by the fact that in May 1942 the Japanese have not secured the Solomons yet. I have lost track of what has and has not been taken in various areas, but I have the impression that it has been somewhat haphazard, with lots of minor bases left in Allied hands and scattered among the Japanese conquests.

Some players have inserted engineers into these bases and built port/airfield ALMOST to level one and added some forts so that they can make the base operational the moment it becomes part of the front line. They use APDs, subs, PBYs, barges, just about anything to pull off these sneak developments. About 75% of the time these moves are successful and the other 25% they is discovered and have to evacuate/retreat or accept the loss of troops that were expendable anyway. It really does accelerate the Allied steamroller once it gets moving in the direction of these bases.

Getting back to my suggestion about Christmas Island IO, I looked at the map and it is the Cocos Islands I was thinking of - far enough away from Sumatra and Java to defend against air attack if fighters are put there. The Japanese can still bombard but it is a distraction from their own plans if the Allies have it. It is also a good place for the Allies to ambush a bombardment force because there is nothing west of there to base search aircraft on.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/31/2015 12:03:58 PM

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Cocos could be tempting.

I have spare base forces in Australia. I'd probably want to bring along a USMC defense battalion, though they've got a far enough travel to get there. Aussie commandos could probably do the actual taking. Two CVEs with pure fighter loads would probably cover thing okay. Lots of distances are involved and this would take time to set up. I'd also have to use creative dog-legs on further supply efforts there. Not sure if a PBY can reach there from Normanton. Looks like 54 hexes to there. Geraldton's about 41. I doubt a landing there would draw the ire if KB

I'm probably looking at two months before I could pull the trigger on this.

How strong to Japanese players typically garrison Java or Sumatra? I could always think big and land 3-4 divisions on one of these islands. Naval air would probably cover things enough to make the landings. Unless KB's on a hair trigger ready to move with the first sighting of USN carriers, which could be from quite a ways out, they may not make it in time to affect things. Losing Palembang would be big at this point in the war. It would take an Overlord sized effort to pull off, with support and LBA coming in immediately after the landings. I'd probably have to round up every last AKV to insure I have immediate LBA, too. Lots of convoys after that to keep things fed. On the other hand, it could turn the game on its head.

I'll need to think things over. I'll probably send my carriers past Suva to Sydney and continue on with the transports to Suva. Trips to New Zealand could be made, as I have a few more infantry brigades sitting there. 2 divisions or so are at Suva, plus artillery, armor and other stuff are also available. Add in a few more divisions from the Katherine expedition, and I could have a sizable force, once they heal up.

Logistics runs everything...

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/31/2015 3:28:48 PM

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Canoerebel pulled of a huge landing on Northern Sumatra and a few of the islands along the west side, but that was in 1943, IIRC. Right now you can deliver the divisions there under CV umbrella, but the CVs have to leave after a few days and you will not be able to supply that number or troops in the face of netties from Malaya and other bases on Sumatra. You just don't have the LBA fighter strength yet to protect everything. Canoerebel took first Cocos and Christmas Island and built them big enough to have lots of HB. Then he moved to the west coast islands under cover of HB suppression of air bases and then onto Sumatra itself. CVs and CVEs were used to get assault shipping and supplies ashore, but they had to pull back for replenishment and repair.

The key to this stroke was that the Japanese were adventuring in both India and Australia, so there was little garrison on Sumatra. He achieved complete surprise with his huge series of amphib landings.

Edit: PS - I guess I was trying to say that taking and developing Cocos is a prerequisite to a shot at Sumatra. It takes time to set all this stuff up so you gotta start early and see what the opposition is as you proceed. Canoerebel would not have tried for Sumatra if his recon showed significant land and air protection there. I think he also kept a meticulous record of the location of major IJA units.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/31/2015 5:46:43 PM

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Well... it is '43. Just not quite the good 43 yet.

I could cover the initial lift over, and it would be a big one. I would also wind up dedicating some of my CVE force to cover all the subsequent supply missions after that.

I think the trouble with taking one of the islands would be that CF would quickly see the threat if he were holding things on the cheap and move reinforcements in. With China getting wrapped up, he'll most likely have spare units to spread around. If I do this, I'll have to do it on a maxi scale. I'd probably land at Benkoelen, as it has the best road to Palembang.

Order of events:

Initial landings - probably 5 divisions plus lots of armor and artillery.
Day after port taken - Lots of base forces and Seabees and supply
< 1 week afterwards - Cargo, preferably 150,000+ of supplies.

Lots of TFs would be involved. Probably several split up ones for the invasion force. Separate ASW, minesweeping and ASuW TFs along in the mix. If KB were to gun the throttles to interfere, it would still probably take 3 days minimum to arrive. Their escorts would probably be very minimal, as DDs wouldn't have the fuel for that. Just like when I had him dead to rights at Baker Is and didn't finish the job... Having something like 10 TFs there would most likely dilute his air strength, too -- especially with juicy battleships in the mix.

This would most likely be at least 3 months away. My refugees from the Katherine expedition are going to need time to recover and replenish. I'll also want to gather up all my AKVs so that I have some instant airpower on hand. They're spread out all over the map. By that point, I'll probably have some CVLs and Essexes here, and at least some of the carrier fighters converted over to F6Fs. That alone may mean the difference against KB. All my assault transports supporting Adak will be needed, too. Fortunately, I'm getting dedicated invasions ships almost daily from Panama and Portland. They can unload quickly, which is a good thing. I could keep enough in India for defense as he doesn't seem likely to attack here -- maybe gain a few more divisions by pulling the Americans out.

Canoerebel is good at tracking the Japanese OOB. I just started a game vs AW1Steve as the Japanese and can't even keep my own forces straight. I need to make a map, I think. I'll have to review the Intel Monkey to see if there was any news on the island.

I think I like this plan. It won't be off the cuff, and I'll have real forces available to do it. My Nevadas with their 5"/38 will be ready by then, too for extra AA support. Like anything logistic in this game, it like altering the course of a six ton millstone.

Looks like my Nimitz plan is scrapped for now. If this happens to go off okay and I can sustain it, I can probably look at going through the Gilberts and Marshalls sometime in 1944. I'd be tempted to take Truk, which would leave everything from Rabaul, through the Solomons to New Caledonia dead in the water. That's for another time, though.

Losing Palembang would set the fuse burning on his end.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/31/2015 5:49:27 PM

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How strong to Japanese players typically garrison Java or Sumatra?� I could always think big and land 3-4 divisions on one of these islands.� Naval air would probably cover things enough to make the landings.� Unless KB's on a hair trigger ready to move with the first sighting of USN carriers, which could be from quite a ways out, they may not make it in time to affect things.� Losing Palembang would be big at this point in the war.� It would take an Overlord sized effort to pull off, with support and LBA coming in immediately after the landings.� I'd probably have to round up every last AKV to insure I have immediate LBA, too.� Lots of convoys after that to keep things fed.� On the other hand, it could turn the game on its head.

I just don't think you can pull off such ambitious plans given the state of the game. As you say yourself, it would take an Overlord sized effort. You don't have that. 3-4 divisions is probably enough to capture a handful of bases on each island if they are poorly defended but not enough to secure operational depth which is necessary if you don't have naval superiority.

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There may be some opportunities open to the Allies because both players were green when they started, as evidenced by the fact that in May 1942 the Japanese have not secured the Solomons yet. I have lost track of what has and has not been taken in various areas, but I have the impression that it has been somewhat haphazard, with lots of minor bases left in Allied hands and scattered among the Japanese conquests.

I don't have that impression from CF. He has been very methodical at this point. I don't believe there are many minor bases in Allied hands. At least none close enough to the current front lines to really make a difference. Sure it may be possible to occupy and partly build up those unoccupied dot hexes, but as you say yourself they are useful ONLY when the Allie steamroller gets going. I don't think the Allies are close to getting that steamroller going. But the war is still young.

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Getting back to my suggestion about Christmas Island IO, I looked at the map and it is the Cocos Islands I was thinking of - far enough away from Sumatra and Java to defend against air attack if fighters are put there. The Japanese can still bombard but it is a distraction from their own plans if the Allies have it. It is also a good place for the Allies to ambush a bombardment force because there is nothing west of there to base search aircraft on.

Yes, I agree that the Cocos Islands are a good place to attack. Its far enough out of LBA range to be defendable even without a continuous naval presence. It can be built up to be a thorn against the open Japanese flank and tie down Japanese assets.

Anyway, what about the isolated islands in the Central Pacific still in Japanese hands? I believe you attacked Baker halphazardly and failed but an attack by a couple of regiments + tanks at 100% prep may succeed. And it is far enough away from major Japanese bases to be spared heavy LBA attack; once taken it can probably be held unless the Japanese really concentrate on taking it back. The key of course is making sure the KB is elsewhere or withdrawing before they arrive. Retreating NE into the open ocean of course isn't the way to withdraw as you did last time as you can get ambushed without warning. Had you launched that invasion with better units with more prep and withdrew south or SE, I think it would have succeeded.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/31/2015 6:04:07 PM

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Re possible invasion of DEI -- In the AAR "Road to Tokyo" MrKane vs Spidery, Kane attacked Tjilatjap sometime in mid 43, I think it was May. He came in BIG and stayed big; it was a very impressive and also very successful operation. But no half measures about it.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/31/2015 6:32:36 PM

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Re possible invasion of DEI -- In the AAR "Road to Tokyo" MrKane vs Spidery, Kane attacked Tjilatjap sometime in mid 43, I think it was May. He came in BIG and stayed big; it was a very impressive and also very successful operation. But no half measures about it.

And he also had an edge in carriers by that point after having sunk a couple of Japanese CVs without losing any USN CVs (or maybe one; I'm note entirely sure). He could defend Java from KB attacks. Very different situation here. I believe the CV count is around 10 to 3. Eventually the USN will have naval parity to pull off such a move but not for a while.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/31/2015 6:40:06 PM

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Yeah, no argument on that count. Kane knew by then that he had the strategic edge in firepower, and he sure took advantage of it. I was trying actually to restate your earlier point -- that is the kind of strength you need for this sort of operation, and Mundy doesn't yet have it. The question is how long it will take for Mundy to get into that kind of strong position, which I assume will happen sometime.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/31/2015 7:51:38 PM

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In the short term, I also have 8 CVE, many of which are loaded purely with fighters.

In any event, I'll have Hellcats and Essexes before this kicks off. I have a couple round trips from/to Cape Town to get forces assembled, which is a month all by itself.

Taking a head count, I'm looking at at least 8 divisions plus extras.

At least I have something to work on right now. I've been in strategic limbo for awhile apart from the Adak adventure. I'm grinding him down there via airpower and the extra regiment should arrive next turn.

According to the Baboon, the landing site has no intel whatsoever. Palembang appears to have mostly support, flak, some arty and the amazing 10th Militia Regiment. CF may have cut some corners here.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/31/2015 8:06:32 PM

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According to the Baboon, the landing site has no intel whatsoever. Palembang appears to have mostly support, flak, some arty and the amazing 10th Militia Regiment. CF may have cut some corners here.

That doesn't surprise me. Java and Sumatra are not viable targets until mid 43 so why allocate units to their defense before that time? The start of 43 is when Japan typically starts garrisoning those bases for real. And it may take some time for SigInt to detect those units after they arrive. And with China gone, you can be sure there are now ample units ready to be deployed defensively (and offensively) and a fair share will be going to those two islands. I HIGHLY suggest you find targets within LBA range of your own bases; if you're going to pull off invasions with an inferior navy only your air force can even the odds. Alternatively, find targets outside of significant Japanese LBA and use surprise to take the base before the IJN can react. But going after areas with heavy concentration of Japanese LBA without your own LBA to support is suicide until you can even the odds at sea. You can quote me on that one.

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