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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 4/30/2015 1:49:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mundy

Despite the pain, I am enjoying this.

Kudos for your great attitude! And I hope you can return the pain, and then some, before too long!

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 4/30/2015 5:04:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: jwolf

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ORIGINAL: Mundy

Despite the pain, I am enjoying this.

Kudos for your great attitude! And I hope you can return the pain, and then some, before too long!

I agree jwolf, Mundy's attitude is outstanding considering those pesky evil empire bandits are causing havoc all over the place.

hang in there, Mundy...reenforcements will soon be pouring in for your allies.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 4/30/2015 11:53:11 AM

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Less than a month until F6Fs roll in. Those'll dish out the hurt. A month from now, I should have at least two squadrons flipped over to them.

I'm looking forward to the Jug showing up too, but that's still a ways out.

I think by July, I can expect maybe two Essexes and a couple new CVLs too. A couple more CVEs are also on the short list, I think

To recap, I have:

3 USN CVs     -Perth
1 RN CV (Victorious)   -Pearl Harbor
8 USN CVEs    -Perth

5 USN battleships are at Sydney and I think one or two are at Perth. The Pennsylvanias at Pearl finished their upgrade and will be shipping within a week or so with all the assault transport plus troops from there. With all the crap going on at Suva, I may take the Panama/Cape Town route. I think I had more BBs available there, too. The Nevadas will be in the yard awhile (3+ months) with their big upgrade. They got their 5"/38 turrets like their successor class. Remember that there was no Pearl Harbor attack, and I've only lost one USN battleship the whole game. This game steered me away from the Manila raid, as I don't think it was worth it. I lost maybe 7 subs there, and I've long since made up those numbers. On the upside, a division of KB let him land without hassle at Mersing early on, which crumpled my whole Malaya defense.

Imagine if I had had them all sitting at Suva. I could have been the "decisive battle".

If my pieces were set up, I'd have been tempted to kick off my invasion. Americal just left Townsville after trucking there from Normanton. All the Katherine expedition are back and enroute to Perth. They will still need recovery time after all those weeks getting bombed endlessly.

My stacking limit at Perth is reaching its limit. I think I'm at 75,000/90,000. I'm keeping the main landing force there. If it gets too full, I'll send the weakest ones to Busselton to come in with the follow-on forces in the regular transport TFs. Maybe I'll send them to Geraldton instead for the Oosthaven/Exmouth ops. I have a lot of time to think about it. I'm hoping he's holding the DEI on a budget, but this will be an 800 lb. gorilla when it lands.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 4/30/2015 7:22:32 PM

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My stacking limit at Perth is reaching its limit.� I think I'm at 75,000/90,000.� I'm keeping the main landing force there.� If it gets too full, I'll send the weakest ones to Busselton to come in with the follow-on forces in the regular transport TFs.� Maybe I'll send them to Geraldton instead for the Oosthaven/Exmouth ops.� I have a lot of time to think about it.� I'm hoping he's holding the DEI on a budget, but this will be an 800 lb. gorilla when it lands.

In retrospect I think it was a mistake to leave your units in Perth so long waiting to load up for invasions. Exmouth is still in Japanese hands and is within range of some of the longer ranged Japanese patrol planes. Same thing with your CV fleet. I would imagine that by now CF has sniffed out that you have an invasion force waiting there. You'd be better off keeping all of this outside of patrol plane range and only moving them forward just before the operation is finally ready to go. I think you underestimate the value of keeping your cards hidden in this game.

Anyway, if CF has his eyes on Australia it may be wise to call this mission off and see to defending Australia. You are only in March 1943. Look at some of the late game AARs here. There is no need to rush it. Also, shouldn't intel monkey tell you if he's holding on a budget?

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 4/30/2015 7:40:18 PM

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21 March 1943

With some run-ins, I can see what's making up KB.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Gau Island at 133,162, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu
CV Soryu
CV Shokaku
CV Zuikaku
CV Taiho
CV Akagi
CA Tone
CA Takao
DD Teruzuki
DD Hatsuzuki
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Shigure
DD Murasame
DD Harusame

Allied Ships
ARD-1
ACM Barbican
ACM Colonel Niles

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 100% moonlight: 12,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 12,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 12,000 yards
Both TF attempt to withdraw!
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Gau Island at 133,162, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu
CV Soryu
CV Shokaku
CV Zuikaku
CV Taiho
CV Akagi
CA Tone
CA Takao
DD Teruzuki
DD Hatsuzuki
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Shigure
DD Murasame
DD Harusame

Allied Ships
SC-633
SC-707

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 100% moonlight: 12,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 12,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 12,000 yards
Both TF attempt to withdraw!
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat

I wonder where Kaga is.

Amongst the armada, another TF is listed by search planes as having carriers in it, but I'm not sure I believe it. Some of the battleships are withdrawing. A big group is 7 hexes NW heading in that direction. His BBs messed up my airbase, leaving airfield service at 57 damage and the runway at 93, explaining why my planes aren't flying. Recon Lightnings and two P-39 squadrons are at Nadi I flipped one of the Cobras to naval attack. That base is untouched right now.

There's no indication of troops about to land at Suva or Nadi. I'm starting to wonder if this is some glorified raid at this point.

Intel's feeding me a bit more.

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1943-03-12 8/63rd Division is loaded on AK Sakito Maru moving to Rabaul -
1943-03-15 8/63rd Division - - is planning for an attack on Nadi -
1943-03-18 8/63rd Division - - is planning for an attack on Nadi -
1943-03-20 8/63rd Division - - is planning for an attack on Nadi

It's a little more credible, if the 63rd is at Rabaul. They may not even be there yet. If so, it's an awfully long time to keep a naval siege going until the troops arrive.

Vestal, the ARD and other support ships got killed by subs and KB. The destroyer-minelayers are safe. His TFs haven't done a lot of moving a hex away from Suva, so the subs are concentrating.

Lex is back from the troop escort. Two days to fix the one sys point. I'll send out a Java raid when they're ready.

Exmouth now shows 12 aux planes and about 800 troops. It could be a cake raid for me.

I have tons of extra base forces and engineers at New Zealand, so I'm starting to develop Hamilton, away from the coast. We'll see.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 4/30/2015 8:03:36 PM

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That's very light heavy gun escort for that many carriers in one TF.

Would be sweet to get a serious SAG into their midst.

He is also suffering some coordination penalties for that much concentration.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 4/30/2015 8:17:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mundy

There's no indication of troops about to land at Suva or Nadi. I'm starting to wonder if this is some glorified raid at this point.

Intel's feeding me a bit more.

quote:

1943-03-12 8/63rd Division is loaded on AK Sakito Maru moving to Rabaul -
1943-03-15 8/63rd Division - - is planning for an attack on Nadi -
1943-03-18 8/63rd Division - - is planning for an attack on Nadi -
1943-03-20 8/63rd Division - - is planning for an attack on Nadi

It's a little more credible, if the 63rd is at Rabaul. They may not even be there yet. If so, it's an awfully long time to keep a naval siege going until the troops arrive.

I disagree with this analysis. A division moving to Rabaul planning for Nadi is very substantive proof given the situation. Moreover, it is not very difficult to maintain a siege of Fiji for a few weeks. It is very close to other Japanese bases and he already as a foothold. Wouldn't be surprised if CF brings some AE ships to that base he took so he can rearm without going back to Noumea.

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Vestal, the ARD and other support ships got killed by subs and KB.

Yup, not surprised. I did warn you that Suva was too forward to be a good support base a few weeks ago.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 4/30/2015 10:39:25 PM

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Cobras went out. I should know better than to expect a lot.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Kandavu Island at 132,162

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 2
A6M5 Zero x 16

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 10 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 3 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
DD Oboro, Shell hits 1
DD Satsukaze
DD Shikinami
BB Ise
BB Mutsu

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x P-39D Airacobra bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
801 Ku S-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
582 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
802 Ku S-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
Kaga-1 with A6M5 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
Ryujo-1 with A6M5 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
Junyo-1 with A6M5 Zero (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
Hiyo-1 with A6M5 Zero (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
Shoho-1 with A6M5 Zero (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead

Next landing is Gau Island. Another APD run.

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Amphibious Assault at Gau Island (133,161)

TF 4 troops unloading over beach at Gau Island, 133,161

Japanese ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

More Intel:

quote:

1943-03-17 5/36th Division is loaded on AK Sakura Maru moving to Rabaul -
1943-03-21 5/36th Division - - is planning for an attack on Nadi

These guys are a minimum of a week out -- probably two or more.

No bombardments this turn. Damage slowly creeping down. I had a cargo TF about to reach Suva, but I diverted them to Christmas. KB doesn't want to stray too far east, it seems. If Suva's left alone for awhile he may have a fight on his hands.

My Java raid will kick off next turn.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/1/2015 12:24:24 AM

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If Suva's left alone for awhile he may have a fight on his hands.

How so? You mean because the air base will have recovered? Or something else you have in mind?

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/1/2015 11:25:14 AM

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No, just potential recovery.

I good part of my aircraft are still active. Just waiting for the base to get fixed.

I have a general question: If you have a minelayer disbanded in port (DM, CM, etc), will it function there in the same manner as an ACM, keeping mines functional?

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/1/2015 11:37:41 AM

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No, just potential recovery.

I good part of my aircraft are still active.� Just waiting for the base to get fixed.

I have a general question:� If you have a minelayer disbanded in port (DM, CM, etc), will it function there in the same manner as an ACM, keeping mines functional?

No only ACMs perform that function. And they burn fuel while disbanded. Every so often you need to go into the ships in port interface in each port where you have ACMs tending minefields and hit the "refuel" button.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/1/2015 12:32:42 PM

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Thanks Hans. Thought I'd check, since you never know. I didn't know about the fuel issue, so that's good to know.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/1/2015 1:20:43 PM

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If you're short on ACMs I believe its YPs (or maybe YMSs can't remember for sure) that can be converted into them to ensure you have enough.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/1/2015 1:58:37 PM

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I think it's the latter. Some YPs, I think can become minesweepers.

They can't really fight anyway, unless it's against barges.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/1/2015 7:41:46 PM

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23 March 1943

The capture of the islands surrounding Suva is apparent now. There's an AKE sitting at Gau now. This basically means that once he has some supply there, CF can probably keep topping off the battleship ammo, keeping up the siege. Nadi got hit by one group, while Yamato hit Suva proper.

At Pearl, the APAs are ready, and I'm packing up two big transport groups for Australia. (dock space) I'm filling them with lots of planes, engineers, Seabees, USMC paras and anything else I can fit. 4 squadrons of C-47s are enroute also. If I can get a good beachhead set up with a huge base, I can probably drop paras around the DEI, causing more headaches.

The other big APA batch is at Sydney, and they'll head for the west coast of Oz soon.

The Attu invaders are only in the 55-60 prep range. The Amchitka troops are further along. It must be easier to train for there.

The US CVs have departed Perth for points north. Over 110 fighters on board, so I'm probably safe from any land based attacks. They're hitting Busselton to top off the tanks, since Perth is empty. A fuel shipment is a day out.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/1/2015 9:00:58 PM

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Some measure of revenge.

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Submarine attack near Suva at 131,161

Japanese Ships
LSD Shinshu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS S-37

Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

LSD Shinshu Maru is sighted by SS S-37
SS S-37 launches 2 torpedoes at LSD Shinshu Maru

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Sub attack near Kandavu Island at 131,162

Japanese Ships
LSD Shinshu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Seadragon

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

SS Seadragon launches 2 torpedoes

I don't know if Japan has many of these, but it feels good anyway.

I forgot to check -

- but I'll check to see if I can withdraw the air at Suva. I don't think I can from Nadi, but we'll see. Maybe I can salvage something.

Looking at Perth, I'm going to need tons of fuel, if anything's going to be staged from there. Shipments have been in the works from the states and Abadan, neither of which is timely.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/1/2015 9:27:29 PM

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Some planes at Suva and Nadi should be able to transfer to the base at the tip of the peninsula north of Auckland.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/1/2015 9:31:39 PM

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Looking at Perth, I'm going to need tons of fuel, if anything's going to be staged from there. Shipments have been in the works from the states and Abadan, neither of which is timely.

I'd definitely make sure you have the logistics in place to support your operations. Nothing would be worse than committing and then not having the staying power if CF counters.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/1/2015 10:09:02 PM

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At Pearl, the APAs are ready, and I'm packing up two big transport groups for Australia. (dock space) I'm filling them with lots of planes, engineers, Seabees, USMC paras and anything else I can fit. 4 squadrons of C-47s are enroute also. If I can get a good beachhead set up with a huge base, I can probably drop paras around the DEI, causing more headaches.

And how do you plan on protecting that huge base against naval bombarmdent? You saw what it did to your level 9 base in Suva. Why would it be any different in the DEI once the Japanese have reacted to your landing? If you land at Benkoelen you know the KB and the whole navy will arrive before you get to Palembang. An invasion of Sumatra cannot be done halphazardly like Exmouth or Adak which are just isolated bases. I think you are ignoring some of the realities that this battle of Suva is demonstrating about the supremacy of the Japanese right now.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/2/2015 12:57:41 AM

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Maybe I'll club KB like baby seals by then.

I'm setting October as the target month. By then, I'll have added 5 Essex class carriers to my current three. I'll add 5 Independence CVLs, and 6 CVEs to my current 8. On top of that, I'll have fighters which outmatch any Zeke the IJN can put up. All of these arrive by September. If delayed, more will show up by December.

25 March 1943

I salvaged a bunch of resources at Suva and Nadi. I was able to withdraw all the air except for two squadrons worth of 'Cobras, but the 39D pool is pretty healthy, so I can live with that. Troops landed at Nadi -- about 600 men worth. I was sorely tempted to attack them on the beach, but with my luck a bunch extra will dump off by then. Attacking doesn't seem a good Allied strong point right now anyway, anywhere. I don't fully trust the "Fiji Brigade". All the remaining BBs hit Nadi again. I'm sitting on about 250k each of fuel and supplies there, so that won't factor into the battles to come. The USMC defense battalions didn't really thwart the landings much.

My carriers got spotted while still SW of Exmouth. I'll keep the abort option on a hair trigger right now, if things don't feel right. At full bore, KB would be about 5 days steaming away, probably ditching any escorts to do it. They haven't hit any land targets at Suva, and their hanging to the south about 3 hexes. If my subs are left alone and I get no more search sightings, I'll know they've left. I'm toying with the idea of keeping the entire invasion armada (transports, battleships, carriers, escorts, etc) off map at Cape Town. With Cannonfodder's aggressive streak lately, I'm not feeling very secure anywhere.

Maybe I could scrub everything and land 6-8 divisions at Ceylon. I've got some thinking to do right now. Barring the Aleutians, I'm not indulging in any offensive before the fall, and I don't want to leave anything hanging out to dry like Suva. I'm okay with the heavy troop concentrations at Perth right now. If he were to land on the east coast of Australia, I can rail stuff over fairly quickly. I may not stop anyone on the beaches, but I can get a line up before he moves too far. I've been populating some of the lesser bases there with some form of troops, including coast artillery. If he lands at Perth, he'll regret it. Even Geraldton's an armed camp.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/2/2015 1:18:41 AM

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Maybe I could scrub everything and land 6-8 divisions at Ceylon.

I like this idea. I don't know if that is enough to capture more than a foothold, but presumably you could bring in some LBA (so would he) to get a more even fight in airpower. Landing in DEI in contrast would put your guys in a really exposed position.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/2/2015 1:35:18 AM

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I have plenty of LBA in range. Unfortunately, with the supply situation, the P-38s can't use external fuel at most of the bases.

The supply situation there has me perplexed. I've been looking at oil, then wondered if resources were the bottleneck, but it doesn't appear so. All the hungry US units are out of country, too.

My current carrier could probably support such a move. Keeping troops supplied after landing them may be an issue.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/2/2015 1:11:55 PM

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I have plenty of LBA in range. Unfortunately, with the supply situation, the P-38s can't use external fuel at most of the bases.

The supply situation there has me perplexed. I've been looking at oil, then wondered if resources were the bottleneck, but it doesn't appear so. All the hungry US units are out of country, too.

My current carrier could probably support such a move. Keeping troops supplied after landing them may be an issue.

If you are talking about India, Allies don't need oil or resources there. You need to ship excess fuel there to keep Indian industry topped up.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/2/2015 2:14:16 PM

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I've probably got over half a million points of oil between Bombay and Karachi. Hardly any is getting to Madras, though, despite the big rail line.

Next turn, I'll get all the fuel/resource stats, if anyone can venture an opinion.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/2/2015 2:49:44 PM

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Just started reading your AAR...great job!

Could you post some theatre pictures so us latecomers can get a grasp on the strategic situation?

I read CF's AAr with great interest, but I will switch sides now.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/2/2015 3:17:53 PM

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26 March 1943

My carriers are rounding Exmouth. I'm going to abort the Java strike and plaster Exmouth instead. The Hellcat production line cranks up in only 6 days, so I want to roll everybody over before I get adventurous.

My CVBG did encounter a sub. Took care of that...

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Submarine attack near Carnarvon at 47,136

Japanese Ships
SS I-158, hits 11, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Ralph Talbot
CL Cleveland
CL Honolulu
CLAA Atlanta
DD Stack
DD Nepal
DD Dale
DD Case

SS I-158 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Ralph Talbot
I-158 diving deep ....
DD Nepal fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Dale fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Case fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Nepal fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Dale attacking submerged sub ....
DD Case fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Dale fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Case attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-158 forced to surface!
DD Nepal firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Nepal firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Dale firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Case firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Nepal firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Dale firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Case firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Nepal firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Dale firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Case firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Nepal firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Dale firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Case firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves

It's a good thing I didn't attack at Nadi, as CF has two divisions ashore there. Fort level there is only three, but it's at 9 at Suva itself.

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Pre-Invasion action off Nadi (131,160) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

107 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato
DD Hatsuyuki
xAK Melbourne Maru
DD Murakumo
xAK Seattle Maru, Shell hits 1
xAK Azuma Maru
AMC Gokoku Maru

Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

BB Mutsu firing at 2nd Marine Defense Battalion
2nd Marine Defense Battalion firing at BB Mutsu
BB Nagato firing at 3rd Marine Defense Battalion
3rd Marine Defense Battalion firing at BB Nagato
2nd Marine Defense Battalion firing at DD Hatsuyuki
DD Hatsuyuki firing at 2nd Marine Defense Battalion
5in Mk 15 CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Melbourne Maru at 11,000 yards
BB Mutsu firing to suppress enemy battery at 11,000 yards
5in Mk 15 CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Seattle Maru at 11,000 yards
BB Mutsu firing to suppress enemy battery at 11,000 yards
5in Mk 15 CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Azuma Maru at 11,000 yards
BB Nagato firing to suppress enemy battery at 11,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

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Pre-Invasion action off Nadi (131,160) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

123 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga
BB Ise
DD Tadeyame
DD Suruyame
AMC Kiyosumi Maru

Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

3rd Marine Defense Battalion firing at BB Hyuga
BB Hyuga firing at 3rd Marine Defense Battalion
3rd Marine Defense Battalion firing at BB Ise
BB Ise firing at 3rd Marine Defense Battalion
2nd Marine Defense Battalion firing at DD Tadeyame
DD Tadeyame firing at 2nd Marine Defense Battalion
DD Suruyame firing at 2nd Marine Defense Battalion
2nd Marine Defense Battalion firing at DD Suruyame
DD Tadeyame fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

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Invasion Support action off Nadi (131,160) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

86 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato
DD Hatsuyuki
xAK Azuma Maru
E Tomozuru
xAK Melbourne Maru, Shell hits 1
xAK Seattle Maru, Shell hits 1
AMC Gokoku Maru
DD Murakumo

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

2nd Marine Defense Battalion firing at BB Mutsu
BB Mutsu firing at 2nd Marine Defense Battalion
2nd Marine Defense Battalion firing at DD Hatsuyuki
5in Mk 15 CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Azuma Maru at 7,000 yards
BB Mutsu firing to suppress enemy battery at 7,000 yards
5in Mk 15 CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Melbourne Maru at 7,000 yards
BB Nagato firing to suppress enemy battery at 7,000 yards
5in Mk 15 CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Seattle Maru at 7,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

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Invasion Support action off Nadi (131,160) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

131 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga
BB Ise
DD Tadeyame
DD Suruyame
DD Shikinami
xAK Hokkai Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Tagonami
xAP Ohtaka Maru, Shell hits 1
AMC Kiyosumi Maru

Japanese ground losses:
136 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

2nd Marine Defense Battalion firing at BB Hyuga
BB Hyuga firing at 2nd Marine Defense Battalion
3rd Marine Defense Battalion firing at DD Shikinami
DD Shikinami firing at 3rd Marine Defense Battalion
5in Mk 15 CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Hokkai Maru at 6,000 yards
BB Ise firing to suppress enemy battery at 6,000 yards
5in Mk 15 CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Hokkai Maru at 6,000 yards
BB Hyuga firing to suppress enemy battery at 6,000 yards
5in Mk 15 CD Gun Battery engaging xAP Ohtaka Maru at 6,000 yards
BB Ise firing to suppress enemy battery at 6,000 yards
5in Mk 15 CD Gun Battery engaging xAK Hokkai Maru at 6,000 yards
BB Ise firing to suppress enemy battery at 6,000 yards
DD Tadeyame fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 6,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

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Amphibious Assault at Nadi (131,160)

TF 31 troops unloading over beach at Nadi, 131,160

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

15 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 63rd Div /5
15 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 63rd Div /8
17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost in surf during unload of 63rd Div /9

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Amphibious Assault at Nadi (131,160)

TF 71 troops unloading over beach at Nadi, 131,160

Japanese ground losses:
105 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost overboard during unload of 36th Div /1
17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost in surf during unload of 36th Div /5
17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost overboard during unload of 36th Div /9
17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost overboard during unload of 36th Div /10

Savusavu also got taken -- looks like by default.

Now I know why bombardments have quit in India, as I notice the same ships partaking in this.

Industry stuff:

Oil - Res Details IND

Overview details IND

Regional factory details IND

Resources

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/2/2015 4:44:25 PM

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27 March 1943

Nadi falls. Everyone's in Fortress Suva now.

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Ground combat at Nadi (131,160)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23772 troops, 187 guns, 36 vehicles, Assault Value = 750

Defending force 7573 troops, 134 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 156

Japanese adjusted assault: 1001

Allied adjusted defense: 87

Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Nadi !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
721 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 67 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
2577 casualties reported
Squads: 36 destroyed, 57 disabled
Non Combat: 126 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 28 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 89 (77 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (8 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 6

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
63rd Division
36th Division
17th Army

Defending units:
Fiji Brigade
3rd Marine Defense Battalion
2nd RNZAF Base Force
2nd Marine Defense Battalion
1st RNZAF Base Force
Nandi Base Force

KB has strayed near Raoul Island, catching a tanker convoy returning to the states. Air in New Zealand is on alert now. One squadron of Corsairs are there, in addition to USAAF P-40s.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/4/2015 11:15:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mundy
My carriers got spotted while still SW of Exmouth. I'll keep the abort option on a hair trigger right now, if things don't feel right. At full bore, KB would be about 5 days steaming away, probably ditching any escorts to do it. They haven't hit any land targets at Suva, and their hanging to the south about 3 hexes. If my subs are left alone and I get no more search sightings, I'll know they've left. I'm toying with the idea of keeping the entire invasion armada (transports, battleships, carriers, escorts, etc) off map at Cape Town. With Cannonfodder's aggressive streak lately, I'm not feeling very secure anywhere.

Ya...I warned you about going to close to Exmouth. Should have headed west way into the open ocean before heading north but too late for that now. Also, I you need to be worried more about the mini-KB as that is likely lurking near the DEI in reserve. As for putting your invasion armada off map, that is a huge overreaction. Yes keeping them in forward bases like you have done is a bad idea but there are plenty of other places to put them. The underside of Australia is a pretty good place to keep naval units in strategic reserve as the Japanese are unlikely to be paying attention to anything between Perth and Melbourne.

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ORIGINAL: Mundy
Maybe I could scrub everything and land 6-8 divisions at Ceylon. I've got some thinking to do right now. Barring the Aleutians, I'm not indulging in any offensive before the fall, and I don't want to leave anything hanging out to dry like Suva. I'm okay with the heavy troop concentrations at Perth right now. If he were to land on the east coast of Australia, I can rail stuff over fairly quickly. I may not stop anyone on the beaches, but I can get a line up before he moves too far. I've been populating some of the lesser bases there with some form of troops, including coast artillery. If he lands at Perth, he'll regret it. Even Geraldton's an armed camp.

Ya, Ceylon isn't a bad place to attack but I don't think you should be shipping a bunch of units from Perth to India. Maybe a couple of divisions right now but you need a good defense of Australia. I'd also rail over some divisions from Perth to places like Sydney to get your defenses in place before an actual invasion. The one bad thing about an invasion of Ceylon is that if you bring CVs and there is a big battle, you have nowhere to go for shipyard repairs except Cape Town which is a long ways away.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/5/2015 11:41:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Just started reading your AAR...great job!

Could you post some theatre pictures so us latecomers can get a grasp on the strategic situation?

I read CF's AAr with great interest, but I will switch sides now.

Hey Lowpe!

You mean strategic map pics?

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/5/2015 12:11:20 PM

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Since I'm staying put for the next six month, I'll take the invasion forces off the hair trigger. I'm going to keep a fairly strong presence at Geraldton-Perth-Busselton, just because I've had prep warnings for the west coast. The rest, I'll distribute mostly to the lesser bases on the east side. If CF makes a move on Australia, I doubt he'll sail straight into one of the major bases. He handles Suva in a similar fashion, so I don't see that changing here.

I'll run my amphibs back to Pearl for now. Maybe my carriers too. I'll keep my options open regarding targets of opportunity. I'd like to get a camera equipped PB4Y squadron over to Australia. On the face of it, CF probably has a lot of troops tied up between Port Moresby, Noumea and Suva. PM has something like 28,000 troops there. I know two full divisions are at Suva. Noumea's a question mark. My offhand guess is two divisions there, too. Should KB decide to head to India or something, taking one of these back could be useful. Likewise, I have couple divisions worth of troops at 100% prep for a Gilberts adventure.

India seems statue quo-ed right now. I have enough recon scattered around where any land move should be seen early enough and I can fire brigade a few divisions to a trouble spot. The west coast of India is under fairly heavy naval search. Should he decide to land on the coast, the Royal Navy is still a credible threat, surface-wise. Ceylon's swimming in subs right now, too.

I'll be quiet the rest of this week, as Cannonfodder's on another work trip. Norway this time. This leaves me time to work on my evil empire campaign.

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