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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/6/2015 8:31:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mundy
Since I'm staying put for the next six month, I'll take the invasion forces off the hair trigger.  I'm going to keep a fairly strong presence at Geraldton-Perth-Busselton, just because I've had prep warnings for the west coast.  The rest, I'll distribute mostly to the lesser bases on the east side.  If CF makes a move on Australia, I doubt he'll sail straight into one of the major bases.  He handles Suva in a similar fashion, so I don't see that changing here.

I think that is a smart move. CF is probably going to try to achieve some sort of decisive victory to prempt the huge buildup of CVs that will give you CV parity by late 44. Japan is still on the offensive.

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ORIGINAL: Mundy
I'll run my amphibs back to Pearl for now.   Maybe my carriers too.  I'll keep my options open regarding targets of opportunity.  I'd like to get a camera equipped PB4Y squadron over to Australia.  On the face of it, CF probably has a lot of troops tied up between Port Moresby, Noumea and Suva.  PM has something like 28,000 troops there.  I know two full divisions are at Suva.  Noumea's a question mark.  My offhand guess is two divisions there, too.  Should KB decide to head to India or something, taking one of these back could be useful.  Likewise, I have couple divisions worth of troops at 100% prep for a Gilberts adventure.

My thoughts are that by now you need to have your carriers and amphib forces in a more central position to respond to threats or to take offensive action. Pearl Harbor is on the far eastern area of operations. Pago Pago is probably not safe anymore but surely a place like Christmas Island is safe and closer to where you actually need them. Should an opportunity arise in the Gilberts it will be take less time if you stage from Xmas island than from Pearl Harbor. You don't need to put your fleets in large ports like Pearl Harbor or Perth when they are fully armed. Also, you definitely do need recon planes in Australia but the USAAF Lightning derivatives are also good options if you can't get PB4Ys with cameras.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/7/2015 11:30:16 AM   
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I'll have to get more troops to Christmas, as it's fairly lightly defended right now.  It's probably a better place to stage the Gilberts/Marshalls thing from anyway, though I'll have to watch the stacking limit.  I seem to recall it being in the 30,000 range.

I'm using my other game to take out my aggression on.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/7/2015 12:33:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mundy

I'll have to get more troops to Christmas, as it's fairly lightly defended right now.  It's probably a better place to stage the Gilberts/Marshalls thing from anyway, though I'll have to watch the stacking limit.  I seem to recall it being in the 30,000 range.

I'm using my other game to take out my aggression on.


Stacking limits has really had an impact on invasion staging. Gone are the days you can simply pile everything into one level 9 port and organize at your leisure.

A large invasion now requires much advance planning to get troops and ship concentrations into several ports with large stacking capacity.

It also requires planning on loading times and travel times to bring it all together.

I have found myself developing and using the additional bases in the Pearl area as well as Christmas for my CenPac operations.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/9/2015 3:39:27 PM   
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Back in action.

I'm working on getting Christmas Island better setup. The USA 43rd Division is on a 16 kt convoy to there. To compensate, I'll have to remove some of the base units to keep within stacking limits. I don't need over 1,000 air support anyway. I'd just been stashing units there anyway to relive Pearl Harbor's stacking situation. This should help ease my security concerns for Christmas.

Once Attu is dealt with, I'm toying with the idea of an adventure further west. Paramushiro-jima looks to be a level 5 airfield right now. To do this, I'd have to bank on the fact that he may have skimped a bit on home air defense, which may or may not be likely. I'd probably need my AKVs for instant air there. I have more than enough base forces to set something up quickly. I have 30 Seabee battalions alone in San Francisco.

Suva eats another bombardment, though combat unit casualties were quite light. Seadragon takes a shot at Hiei, but misses. She gets pounded badly in return, so she'll need serious drydock time. I'm watching that area closely. If I see any indication that KB is departing the area, I may send the USN BBs in

Two big tanker convoys are at Perth, unloading about 270,000 worth of fuel. My carriers are a day away. They'll join up with all the CVEs and head east. Yesterday, the carriers took a second swipe at Exmouth, with further raids by Mitchells today.

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Morning Air attack on Exmouth , at 50,129

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 51
SBD-3 Dauntless x 73
TBF-1 Avenger x 53

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 20
Port hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
18 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
18 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
17 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
7 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Exmouth , at 50,129

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 9
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 10

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 9
Port hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x Mitchell II bombing from 6000 feet *
Port Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Exmouth , at 50,129

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 3

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Mitchell II bombing from 6000 feet *
Port Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb


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Morning Air attack on 11th Militia Regiment, at 50,129 (Exmouth)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Mitchell II bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 14th JAAF AF Bn ...
Also attacking 11th Militia Regiment ...


That's cute... a militia regiment guarding Exmouth.

Regardless, I'm spreading my combat power around the east coast. There won't be a landing site without a credible amount of combat power waiting there.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/9/2015 3:46:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mundy

30 March 1943

Back in action.

I'm working on getting Christmas Island better setup. The USA 43rd Division is on a 16 kt convoy to there. To compensate, I'll have to remove some of the base units to keep within stacking limits. I don't need over 1,000 air support anyway. I'd just been stashing units there anyway to relive Pearl Harbor's stacking situation. This should help ease my security concerns for Christmas.

Once Attu is dealt with, I'm toying with the idea of an adventure further west. Paramushiro-jima looks to be a level 5 airfield right now. To do this, I'd have to bank on the fact that he may have skimped a bit on home air defense, which may or may not be likely. I'd probably need my AKVs for instant air there. I have more than enough base forces to set something up quickly. I have 30 Seabee battalions alone in San Francisco.

Suva eats another bombardment, though combat unit casualties were quite light. Seadragon takes a shot at Hiei, but misses. She gets pounded badly in return, so she'll need serious drydock time. I'm watching that area closely. If I see any indication that KB is departing the area, I may send the USN BBs in

Two big tanker convoys are at Perth, unloading about 270,000 worth of fuel. My carriers are a day away. They'll join up with all the CVEs and head east. Yesterday, the carriers took a second swipe at Exmouth, with further raids by Mitchells today.

quote:

Morning Air attack on Exmouth , at 50,129

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 51
SBD-3 Dauntless x 73
TBF-1 Avenger x 53

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 20
Port hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
18 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
18 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
17 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
7 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Exmouth , at 50,129

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 9
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 10

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 9
Port hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x Mitchell II bombing from 6000 feet *
Port Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Exmouth , at 50,129

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 3

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Mitchell II bombing from 6000 feet *
Port Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb


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Morning Air attack on 11th Militia Regiment, at 50,129 (Exmouth)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Mitchell II bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 14th JAAF AF Bn ...
Also attacking 11th Militia Regiment ...


That's cute... a militia regiment guarding Exmouth.

Regardless, I'm spreading my combat power around the east coast. There won't be a landing site without a credible amount of combat power waiting there.


Stay away from the 'Jimas until you have superior air power. That should happen in June of 1943 giving you some nice planes. By August of 1943 you should have naval superiority if all your carriers have not been sunk.

Until you can hold the sea lanes it is foolish to attempt to attack so close to the Japanese Homeland as he will simply besiege your attack force and beat them to death with bombardment and LBA.


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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/9/2015 5:31:18 PM   
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You're probably right. I'm indulging in thought right now.

With all the forces he has around, I'm wondering if he's keeping defenses at Japan proper light.

First things first. I have transports enroute to Adak. I'll be kicking off the final northern cleansing soon.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/9/2015 8:04:37 PM   
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Not too much today.

Two squadrons of P-38Gs swept Port Moresby. I probably got a 3-1 ratio on him. Lots of Nick, Tojos and Oscars there.

B-17s from India Port struck Trincomalee. Interestingly, he's removed all ships from there.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/10/2015 4:50:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mundy
I'm working on getting Christmas Island better setup. The USA 43rd Division is on a 16 kt convoy to there. To compensate, I'll have to remove some of the base units to keep within stacking limits. I don't need over 1,000 air support anyway. I'd just been stashing units there anyway to relive Pearl Harbor's stacking situation. This should help ease my security concerns for Christmas.

Don't worry about stacking so much. It's just a supply cost. For you that's not a concern. Don't pull out base units just to stay under stacking.
EDIT: But if you don't actually need the base units there of course that's another story.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Mundy
I have 30 Seabee battalions alone in San Francisco.

Why aren't these guys out in the Pacific building up your bases? Why on earth are you stockpiling them in San Francisco?
quote:

ORIGINAL: Mundy
Regardless, I'm spreading my combat power around the east coast. There won't be a landing site without a credible amount of combat power waiting there.

Not sure if that is wise. A credible amount of combat power is still going to get routed by a major landing. You can't be strong everywhere at once. If CF is anything he is careful. The easiest battle for Japan invading Australia is likely to be the landing where his units will be 100% prepped. Its the subsequent battles that really matter.

Anyway, I'm curious what the situation is now in the CentPac. Surely you could put your SeaBees to good use there. The biggest advantage you have over Japan is engineers. Make it count.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/10/2015 9:59:24 AM   
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My thoughts on Australia...

Australia is a continent and maneuver warfare is king.

If your opponent is attacking Australia it really extends his line of supply so this is a good thing.

The problem with defending western australia is the danger of being cut off at Port Augusta. If units get caught in the western half they cannot reinforce the east without amphibious movement.

You have no terrain bonuses on that half of the continent and other than VP points there is little gain for the Japanese player except the industry at Perth.

If VP's are off the table I would forget about western Australia and let him have it if he wants.

Concentrate forces near Sydney/Perth where the terrain is to your advantage and his supply lines are extended even further and you gain a lot of advantage.

You can see my game in progress where NJP attacked Australia and how I am getting out of it. It seems he has about 80K troops almost cut off but he still owns the rail lines to western Australia and there has been a lot of ship movement up there. The flip side is that any Japanese forces caught in the open are subject to murderous 4EB LBA from the allies.

One of the hardest things for an AFB IMO is patience. Let him overextend and then make him pay for it!!



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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/10/2015 2:46:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wargmr

My thoughts on Australia...

Australia is a continent and maneuver warfare is king.

If your opponent is attacking Australia it really extends his line of supply so this is a good thing.

The problem with defending western australia is the danger of being cut off at Port Augusta. If units get caught in the western half they cannot reinforce the east without amphibious movement.

You have no terrain bonuses on that half of the continent and other than VP points there is little gain for the Japanese player except the industry at Perth.

If VP's are off the table I would forget about western Australia and let him have it if he wants.

Concentrate forces near Sydney/Perth where the terrain is to your advantage and his supply lines are extended even further and you gain a lot of advantage.

You can see my game in progress where NJP attacked Australia and how I am getting out of it. It seems he has about 80K troops almost cut off but he still owns the rail lines to western Australia and there has been a lot of ship movement up there. The flip side is that any Japanese forces caught in the open are subject to murderous 4EB LBA from the allies.

One of the hardest things for an AFB IMO is patience. Let him overextend and then make him pay for it!!




Did you mean Sydney/Melbourne there, Wargamr? Perth seems too far away for concentration of your forces, and it was Sydney/Melbourne that you had success in defending ...

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/10/2015 6:01:48 PM   
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Mostly quiet. Madras got bombarded. I thought these BBs were part of the Suva campaign, but I'm wrong. One thing I've noticed with these, is that combat troops seem to take little damage from bombardments, while the support and engineers have to eat it. I would love to stack a bunch of air at Madras, but these are preventing it. The supply situation there is rather good, so it makes this rough.

4 Hellcats in the pool.

I haven't done much with the CBs, since most of my existing bases are fairly well developed. I could probably take a survey to see if there's any other new spots I'd like to fill out. I'm not comfortable with the Pago Pago area right now, for obvious reasons. I'm wondering if trying a massive buildup of the Tahiti area is feasible or even desirable. It could be a handy place to stage supply/fuel from, but it'll take a lot of work, and it could become a backwater again fairly quickly.

Once Attu is finished, I'll send some north to create a base network there.

I've been hitting Exmouth daily. Who knows, I may kill enough air support to prevent search planes form operating there.

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Afternoon Air attack on 11th Militia Regiment, at 50,129 (Exmouth)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 8

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on 11th Militia Regiment, at 50,129 (Exmouth)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Mitchell II bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb




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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/11/2015 12:59:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mundy
I haven't done much with the CBs, since most of my existing bases are fairly well developed. I could probably take a survey to see if there's any other new spots I'd like to fill out. I'm not comfortable with the Pago Pago area right now, for obvious reasons. I'm wondering if trying a massive buildup of the Tahiti area is feasible or even desirable. It could be a handy place to stage supply/fuel from, but it'll take a lot of work, and it could become a backwater again fairly quickly.

As the Allies you need to continuously be evaluating where to expand. There are always bases to occupy and build up. Especially near the front. Of course it could be a backwater soon but so what? Better off doing that than have an army of engineers doing nothing. Yes its a lot of work but this whole game is a lot of work. Certainly there are many bases in the CentPac to occupy and build up for a push towards the Gilberts. Or even in the SWPac....

EDIT: You should not fear setting up defenses in the Pago Pago area, as long as you are setting up real bases that can be defended. An atoll with CD guns, a regiment of infantry, and good forts is a serious impediment to a Japanese attack. This area is a lot more defendable than the Fiji area; to shy away from defending it is a mistake IMO.

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9 x Mitchell II bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

If your engineers were in Western OZ you could have built up bases closer to Exmouth. Instead every bomb mission you fly is at 1/2th effectiveness.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/11/2015 8:09:23 PM   
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I'm rounding up a bunch of base forces and CB battalions to beef up Pago Pago and Upolu. Once these are out of dock, I'll send more to Niue to the south. I have a lot of air at Pearl I can send there, too.

It looks like the end of the Exmouth raids.

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orning Air attack on 2nd Ship Engineer Regiment, at 50,129 (Exmouth)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 30

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 9
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Mitchell II: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
105 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x Mitchell II bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
282 Ku S-1 with A6M3a Zero (22 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(22 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
22 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes

Also attacking 14th JAAF AF Bn ...
Also attacking 2nd Ship Engineer Regiment ...


I guess one way to think of it is one less zero squadron somewhere else.

The Intel Monkey had something strange to say today.

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1943-04-03 6/20th Division is loaded on a Std-D Cargo class xAK moving to Benkoelen -


This seems rather timely. I was under the assumption that Japanese intel provided two things:

1) Jack
2) Crap

At least that's the impression from my other game. Has anyone else ever gotten some good concrete information (not a base) as the Japanese?




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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/11/2015 8:29:04 PM   
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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/11/2015 8:59:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mundy

The Intel Monkey had something strange to say today.

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1943-04-03 6/20th Division is loaded on a Std-D Cargo class xAK moving to Benkoelen -


This seems rather timely. I was under the assumption that Japanese intel provided two things:

1) Jack
2) Crap

At least that's the impression from my other game. Has anyone else ever gotten some good concrete information (not a base) as the Japanese?



It can show a concentration of activity, and if he's reading the tea leaves, he could act on that.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/11/2015 9:04:24 PM   
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Yeah, I can see a starting point, but to infer the destination like this isn't convincing. Benkoelen is sorta a random location. Unless a massive radio display at Perth makes it that obvious.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/11/2015 9:04:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wargmr

My thoughts on Australia...

Australia is a continent and maneuver warfare is king.

If your opponent is attacking Australia it really extends his line of supply so this is a good thing.

The problem with defending western australia is the danger of being cut off at Port Augusta. If units get caught in the western half they cannot reinforce the east without amphibious movement.

You have no terrain bonuses on that half of the continent and other than VP points there is little gain for the Japanese player except the industry at Perth.

If VP's are off the table I would forget about western Australia and let him have it if he wants.

Concentrate forces near Sydney/MELBOURNE where the terrain is to your advantage and his supply lines are extended even further and you gain a lot of advantage.

You can see my game in progress where NJP attacked Australia and how I am getting out of it. It seems he has about 80K troops almost cut off but he still owns the rail lines to western Australia and there has been a lot of ship movement up there. The flip side is that any Japanese forces caught in the open are subject to murderous 4EB LBA from the allies.

One of the hardest things for an AFB IMO is patience. Let him overextend and then make him pay for it!!




Did you mean Sydney/Melbourne there, Wargamr? Perth seems too far away for concentration of your forces, and it was Sydney/Melbourne that you had success in defending ...


Yes, thank you for the correction


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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/11/2015 10:29:33 PM   
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16 Hellcats in the pool.

The Colombo raid didn't fly. Looks like weather. I've stood everyone there down for now, since it's still calling for t-storms. I'll run out of Madras until his bombardment group is sighted again. I have enough coverage that I should have a day or two warning now.

Cannonfodder must be the unholy dark god of aircraft production.

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Morning Air attack on 36th Division, at 131,160 (Nadi)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 8

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 6 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 15000 feet *
Ground Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 15000 feet *
Ground Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
284 Ku S-1 with J2M2 Jack (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(8 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 20000.
Raid is overhead

Also attacking 63rd Division ...


He's got Helens there now, flying against Suva, to no effect this turn.

More intel on another fragment of the IJA 20th Division enroute to Benkoelen.

I have an A-36 unit in the states with two more on the way. Kind of useless, since production doesn't start until October. Another CVE is due in 10 days, also.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/12/2015 11:24:01 AM   
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I have an A-36 unit in the states with two more on the way. Kind of useless, since production doesn't start until October. Another CVE is due in 10 days, also.


The game is pretty consistent in bringing in partially filled out squadrons well in advance of replacement/production kicking in.

It simply means they are training squadrons until replacements rates allow them to fill out and seek combat.


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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/12/2015 11:37:39 AM   
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Yeah, the Australians are more notorious for this (Spitfires...)

Exp starts low, but should be in good shape when they flush out.

Jacks on his side will make things tougher -- maybe.

By the time my carriers reach Sydney, I may be able to flip two fighter squadrons.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/12/2015 7:17:06 PM   
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Just another day on Suva.

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Night Naval bombardment of Suva at 132,160 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei
BB Kongo

Allied Ships
xAP Tjisadane, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
87 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (3 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 6
Port hits 1

E13A1 Jake acting as spotter for BB Hiei
276th Coastal Artillery Battalion firing at BB Hiei
BB Hiei firing at 276th Coastal Artillery Battalion
E13A1 Jake acting as spotter for BB Kongo
BB Kongo firing at Suva


For all the fire in the sky, I've taken very few combat casualties. I wouldn't want to run any airplanes out of there, though. Supplies are at 235k, so that won't be a factor. I hate the thought of him pulling a lot of fuel out of there.

Carriers rounding Melbourne. I have a big tanker TF unloading at Sydney, with another on the way near New Zealand. Big supply convoy to Melbourne right behind that one. I've also kicked off a 50k supply convoy from Cape Town to Karachi.


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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/12/2015 10:45:56 PM   
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For all the fire in the sky, I've taken very few combat casualties. I wouldn't want to run any airplanes out of there, though. Supplies are at 235k, so that won't be a factor. I hate the thought of him pulling a lot of fuel out of there.

Carriers rounding Melbourne. I have a big tanker TF unloading at Sydney, with another on the way near New Zealand. Big supply convoy to Melbourne right behind that one. I've also kicked off a 50k supply convoy from Cape Town to Karachi.


The low casualties are almost certainly due to high fort levels in Suva. What level are those anyway?

Also, I think that bringing big tanker convoys to Sydney in your game is risky. With the Japanese running rampant in this part of the South Pacific I would make sure my convoys are going way far south. Like between the New Zealand main islands or south of New Zealand altogether. And then unloading at Melbourne or even ports to the west of it. Especially valuable fuel convoys. Better off wasting a little bit of extra time and fuel than risk having the entire fleet sunk by the KB.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/13/2015 9:57:30 AM   
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Yeah, I can see a starting point, but to infer the destination like this isn't convincing. Benkoelen is sorta a random location. Unless a massive radio display at Perth makes it that obvious.


It may seem that way, but if you're defending the Empire this is one of the most key spots. If as Japan you don't have something here and you see an Allied build-up, you would generally rush something in. Does your SIGINT tell you what he's got here now?

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I'll have to check again.  Previously, it seemed to be weakly held.

My convoys are running way south, by New Zealand.  I can probably keep a LRCAP up while they're in range.  I think Suva's fort level was at 9.

His troops at Nadi seem to be in no hurry to move over.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/14/2015 12:47:07 AM   
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My convoys are running way south, by New Zealand.  I can probably keep a LRCAP up while they're in range.  I think Suva's fort level was at 9.

I had assumed they were somewhere between 4 and 6. A level 9 fort is world of difference. If they are actually level 9 you should try to reinforce it with some LCus. Even if those LCUs are doomed in the long run with level 9 forts, lots of supply and good terrain you could make the Japanese pay dearly with those reinforcements.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/14/2015 1:36:06 AM   
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But how could he get any LCU there (Suva) now, with KB plus multiple enemy BB etc around? Air transport?

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At this point, I'm not sure what he has parked around Suva right now.  besides PBYs at Pago, I only have my subs keeping tabs there.  The last two turns have only spotted a couple of SAGs.


If KB has departed, I'm extremely tempted to run a bunch of battleships and carriers there from Sydney.  I need absolute confirmation first.  I have 4 USN BBs in Australia right now, when I was building up for the Sumatra thing.  CF seems to have been pairing his battleships, so any battles, even against Yamato, would be interesting.

I'm one of those that's convinced, that in real life, Yamato would come out the loser versus the USN.  USN fire control, by comparison was just too good -- especially by 1944.  IJN, really wasn't.  It took them like an hour to finally start hitting CVEs at Samar, unlike the DDs/DEs, which were landing hit after hit while zigzagging.

Judging by my battleship ambush of KB earlier, I can't really bet the farm on my shooting.  I should probably conduct a Stalinist purge of my battlewagon captains.  I've always assumed they were competent by default, but I should double-check.

I'll see what I can do about Pago Pago to start with.  I can get a bunch of planes there fairly quickly form the hoards I have in New Zealand.  I'm trying to tread lightly in the process.

Maybe if the Intel Chimp would help me a bit...

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Many BB skippers are positively awful in Naval Skill and Aggression. Like the sub skippers at game start, a lot of them got their commands by a$$ kissing and brown nosing.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/14/2015 3:26:14 PM   
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I'll start my Stalinist purge next turn.

I had issues with the early war subs -- especially the S boats.  I'm still not sure where the sweet spot is for subs with regard to aggression.  I'm sick of them charging the escorts rather than the soft/big stuff behind them.

USAAF squadrons have been abysmally led for a large part.  USN and USMC don't seem to have the leadership issue.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 5/14/2015 5:21:29 PM   
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But how could he get any LCU there (Suva) now, with KB plus multiple enemy BB etc around? Air transport?

I was thinking sub transport mostly. Ferry a bunch of rifle squads from Pago Pago. But only if the fort is actually level 9...

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Judging by my battleship ambush of KB earlier, I can't really bet the farm on my shooting.  I should probably conduct a Stalinist purge of my battlewagon captains.  I've always assumed they were competent by default, but I should double-check.

Eh. My cruiser captains also seem incompetent. I think one issue may be that by early 43 the Japanese ships have loads of combat experience from being on the offensive with few losses. On the other hand, many Allied ships have scant combat experience at this point. I presume that the ship captains would follow this pattern as well.


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I'll see what I can do about Pago Pago to start with.  I can get a bunch of planes there fairly quickly form the hoards I have in New Zealand.  I'm trying to tread lightly in the process.

Well, I don't think you want a bunch of planes there. You want the right planes there. You had a bunch of planes at Suva and as far as I can tell they contributed nothing at all to the battle besides targets for those experienced Japanese surface ships. So, which planes are you sending?

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