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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/22/2015 8:58:15 PM

Mundy

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Yeah, that was my conclusion. I have some minesweeping TFs with the group, and I think a few DMSs in some of the amphib groups.

I just used raw numbers to shut them down. That worked before when Fuso and Yamashiro died by fire. Both took over 100 500 pounders each, which show that getting capital ships in port is probably the most efficient way of killing them.

Thanks to weather, Trincomalee was spared bombing last turn. They healed to 85%. I don't think it matters much at this point, as it looks like he's withdrawn all his air that was on the island.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/23/2015 1:34:52 PM

Mundy

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Plodding along.

I overestimated my speed a bit. Since I have something like 10 TF in the hex at a time, I was looking at one of the faster ones, showing three hexes per segment. The main amphib group is only doing two, unless I move them to flank speed.

Once I'm about two days out, I'll cut the anti-mine groups loose to get a head start on that job. I'm unsure whether or not to send the ASuW group with them, as I don't see any ships there. I don't want the warships to show up early and start hitting mines, but I don't want the ASW forces to get clobbered by something unseen either. Over the next turn or so, SB2Cs from the carriers should bolster the PBY searches and firm things up. He's probably departed, and I'm surprised he ran the sub gauntlet as well as he did. The whole Ceylon area is smothered in subs. I have over 30 dedicated to the area.

ADs and ASs have been arriving in the area, and they'll go to Colombo once taken. I'm also loading up the support troops to send now.

CF's been doing one turn days this week. He's probably trying to set me on edge by drawing this out.

I'm eager to cut the paras loose. Recon's been consistently showing about 800-900 troops at Dambulla. I've enough for the job. The recon flashes on the screen seem to indicate one division broken up amongst the bases on the island. Or maybe the whole division isn't there. I'll be consulting the Intel Monkey today to try to piece things together.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/23/2015 7:03:02 PM

Mundy

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30 November 1943

The up is jigged.

Long range IJN search planes have arrived and have spotted most of the invasion convoy. They're one hex W of Calicut. Still 2.5 days away. I've cut the minesweepers loose towards Colombo. I've also cut loose the paras at Madras. About 7 assorted USA/USMC/UK units are going across, transported by 21 squadrons of transports. Four of these are 25 planes strong, while the rest have about 13 planes each. I'm hoping two days will do the job. Surprise is gone, so there's no reason to hold them back anymore.

Meanwhile, the bombardments continue. I'm smacking the troops at Colombo pretty good.

Colombo:

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Afternoon Air attack on 15th Division, at 29,48 (Colombo)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 25

Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 19th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 29,48 (Colombo)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 65 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 24

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 15th Division ...
Also attacking 4th/B Division ...
Also attacking 19th Ind. Mixed Brigade ...

Trincomalee

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Afternoon Air attack on 104th Division, at 31,47 (Trincomalee)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 11

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 18th JAAF Base Force, at 31,47 (Trincomalee)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 11

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 13000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Heavies are still pounding the airfields with hits on both. No more planes smacked on the ground, as they're gone now.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/23/2015 10:24:45 PM

Mundy

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01 December 1943

Ick...

Yay! A two turn day.

The invaders are five hexes away. All the amphibs are taken off follow mode and are now headed straight to Colombo. Those who can't make it next turn naturally are set to full speed in order to make it. My big surface force is flipped to bombardment and will remain in-hex.

I punched through the first sub line. He has 13 subs in the area that I can see. My searches are ferreting them out fairly well. One sub started the turn with a torp shot at Enterprise (the Essex one) How come my subs attack his escorts turn after turn while his go straight to the meaty part? At this point, I wish I had sent a bunch of ASW groups here ahead of time to cleanse the waters. I was rather obsessed with OPSEC at the time, and didn't realize how many he's got camped here.

I did pack plenty of destroyers with each group. Regardless, I sank one sub outright and beat up two more with goo hits. Seagulls claimed two more hits. As SOP, I usually set all cruiser and battleship floatplanes to ASW at 1,000 feet and range zero.

Paras easily take Dambulla. Just one base force there. I'll wait for the rest to arrive before deciding where to go from there. Dambulla wasn't really loaded with supply when I took it. What's nice is he can't use the rail network to do much now, between Colombo or Trincomalee anyway. All my land based bombers are set to hit troops at Colombo. I want to make the landings that much easier.

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Ground combat at Dambulla (30,47)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 4374 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 247

Defending force 828 troops, 0 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Allied adjusted assault: 161

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 161 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Dambulla !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
579 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 35 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 6 (6 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
182 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
111th LRP Bde /1
1st USMC Parachute Bn /1
503rd Parachute Rgt /1
3rd USMC Parachute Bn /1
50th Indian Para Bde /1
2nd USMC Parachute Bn /1
77th LRP Bde /1
2/9 Commando Bn /1

Defending units:
23rd Ind Engineer Regiment

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/23/2015 11:07:41 PM

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Nicely done with Dambulla! That's an excellent start to your operations.

Did you have ASW patrol air groups along the coast of India? In the future I highly recommend using a combination of ASW plans and TFs wherever you plan on using your CVs. But really it should go further than that; you should be trying to kill Japanese subs wherever you can find them. Because if you are always trying to go after subs then it won't give any hints away about your actual plans.

Have you tried making Fletcher ASW TFs? I have had good success with Fletchers in this role. Typically I have 2-3 Fletcher ASW TFs patrolling near critical front line areas in conjunction with some air ASW. And if for some reason a surface threat emreges, I can combine the ASW fleets into a single Fletcher SCTF that can take on just about any Japanese SCTF. Great for accompanying your Death Star such that they have ASW and surface protection.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/23/2015 11:59:44 PM

Mundy

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Thanks. I feel like I was pressured to kick it off slightly early, but with the time needed to get the whole para groups across, that was probably a good thing.

I haven't got ASW air along the coast, mostly due the lack of supply on the SW coast bases. I can probably flip the two PBY units I have at Cochin over to anti-sub. I've never really felt confident in airborne anti-sub ops. Maybe I could flip all my TBF/TBMs over to that mission.

I had over 15 destroyers sitting at Bombay yet -- nearly all Fletchers. Three groups of them are currently enroute. I've made sure to have DEs involved, as I'm hoping the Hedgehog will be useful and most of my shots with them resulted in near miss damage.

I'm more worried about his subs nailing a carrier. There's no way they'll stop the invasion or make a dent in it. My anti-mine groups will have half a day to do some work. His subs took a couple shots at a YMS group. They missed, but so did mine.

I have one British para brigade I forgot about in Bombay which I've just railed to Madras. Once they're unpacked, they'll get sent to that northern port on Ceylon. About two days out.

Intel has 40,000 troops at Colombo and 22,000 at Trincomalee. Considering that I'm landing about 10 divisions plus armor and artillery, I think I have enough. I'm going to get a supply convoy out of Cape Town for Colombo next turn, just in case I don't have anything to work with.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2015 1:08:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mundy
I haven't got ASW air along the coast, mostly due the lack of supply on the SW coast bases. I can probably flip the two PBY units I have at Cochin over to anti-sub. I've never really felt confident in airborne anti-sub ops. Maybe I could flip all my TBF/TBMs over to that mission.

You really need to get air ASW going. That's how you sink those subs; aircraft detect them and then ASW TFs finish them off. And occasionally the patrol planes may even hit a sub with a bomb. Though I would use something other than PBYs for this...surely you have a lot of 2E bomber groups that have almost no other use at this point. And TBFs are a good option as well if you have them. I generally train my TB pilots in ASW and operate my fleets with 10% ASW for each TB group so it is useful for that as well.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2015 2:36:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sangeli
But really it should go further than that; you should be trying to kill Japanese subs wherever you can find them. Because if you are always trying to go after subs then it won't give any hints away about your actual plans.

Really good idea. Make it SOP and this activity says nothing about any other plans. Also from my admittedly very limited experience ASW needs to be a team effort, air and naval assets working together as Sangeli described it.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2015 2:56:39 PM

Mundy

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I'm truly wondering what the difference is between search and ASW missions for aircraft. Two of my searching SB2Cs hit a sub this turn.

02 December 1943

What a turn this was. I can happily say it appears to be going well so far.

As expected, two minesweeper groups reached Colombo first. Over the course of the turn they removed over 500 mines from the harbor. I still has some fallout from them, as Oklahoma ate two. Fortunately, damage is relatively minor, with 8 sys and 15 flt.

As mentioned, Helldivers claimed two ASW hits. I damaged two more and sank a third. Forced her to the surface where she took a shot at Colorado. Fortunately it missed and the sub ate some 5"/51 for her trouble. The RN cruiser then raked it over good with her main armament of 7.5" guns. I did lose a DE to a sub, suffering a magazine explosion, but if that's the price I pay, I'll happily take it.

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Submarine attack near Trivandrum at 27,45

Japanese Ships
SS I-164, hits 18, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Kenya
DE Levy
DE Fox
AM Robin
AM Grebe
APA Du Page
APA Bolivar
APA Wayne
APA Warren
APA Calvert
APA President Monroe
APA President Adams
APA Barnett
APA McCawley
APA William P. Biddle
APA Fuller
APA George F. Elliot
APA Heywood
APA Leonard Wood
APA W.A. Holbrook
APA Harris
APA Wharton
LSI(L) Glenartney
LSI(L) Westralia
APD Dickerson
APD Humphreys
APD Kilty
APD Stringham
AKA Jupiter
AKA Aquarius
AKA Thuban
AKA Alcyon
AKA Titania
AKA Algorab
LSD Carter Hall
LSD Belle Grove
AP William Ward Burrows
LST 11
LST-484
LCI-335
LCI-83
DE Bebas
DE Osterhaus
DE McConnell
DE Arrow
BB Colorado
BB Maryland
CA Hawkins

SS I-164 is sighted by escort
I-164 diving deep ....
DE Bebas fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE Osterhaus fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE McConnell fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE Arrow attacking submerged sub ....
DE Bebas fails to find sub and abandons search
DE Osterhaus fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE McConnell fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE Arrow attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-164 forced to surface!
DE Arrow firing on surfaced sub ....
BB Colorado firing on surfaced sub ....
BB Maryland firing on surfaced sub ....
CA Hawkins firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves

Bombers led the way against forces at Colombo. Results here were mediocre. After this turn, I'm standing down all my land based bombers to rest and recover. Active numbers are down a bit, but the pools are mostly keeping up. I'll probably be turning them loose in India proper at some point. I'll only show the ones that got results.

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Morning Air attack on 18th JAAF Base Force, at 31,45 (Jaffna)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 27

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
14 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 22nd JAAF AF Bn ...
Also attacking 18th JAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking 22nd JAAF AF Bn ...
Also attacking 18th JAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking 22nd JAAF AF Bn ...

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Morning Air attack on 4th/A Division, at 29,48 (Colombo)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 2
Wildcat V x 1
B-17E Fortress x 4
B-24D1 Liberator x 9
B-24J Liberator x 35
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
FM-1 Wildcat x 11

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 12 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 4th/B Division ...
Also attacking 4th/A Division ...
Also attacking 4th/B Division ...

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Morning Air attack on 4th/A Division, at 29,48 (Colombo)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 2
B-24D1 Liberator x 15
FM-1 Wildcat x 5

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 19th Ind. Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th/A Division ...
Also attacking 19th Ind. Mixed Brigade ...

Bombardments led the way.

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Naval bombardment of Colombo at 29,48

Allied Ships
BB Pennsylvania
BB Arizona
CA Frobisher
CA Suffolk
CA Shropshire
CA Quincy
CA Minneapolis
CA Indianapolis
CA Portland

Japanese ground losses:
541 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 12 (3 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Manpower hits 3
Light Industry hits 1
Fires 648
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13
Port hits 4

BB Pennsylvania firing at 15th Division
BB Arizona firing at 15th Division
CA Frobisher firing at 15th Division
CA Suffolk firing at 15th Division
CA Shropshire firing at 15th Division
CA Quincy firing at 19th Ind. Mixed Brigade
CA Minneapolis firing at 15th Division
CA Indianapolis firing at Colombo
CA Portland firing at Colombo

And then the landings...

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Amphibious Assault at Colombo (29,48)

TF 239 troops unloading over beach at Colombo, 29,48

Allied ground losses:
178 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled)

15 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 5th Indian Div /20
14 troops of a USMC 43 Rifle Squad accidentally lost during unload of 2nd Marine Div
12 troops of a M1917 MMG Section lost overboard during unload of 2nd Marine Div
14 troops of a USMC 43 Rifle Squad accidentally lost during unload of 2nd Marine Div /4
14 troops of a USMC 43 Rifle Squad accidentally lost during unload of 2nd Marine Div /5
14 troops of a USMC 43 Rifle Squad lost overboard during unload of 1st Marine Div /2
12 troops of a M1917 MMG Section accidentally lost during unload of 1st Marine Div /3

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Amphibious Assault at Colombo (29,48)

TF 396 troops unloading over beach at Colombo, 29,48

Allied ground losses:
296 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)

11 troops of a Brit Inf Section 41 lost overboard during unload of 2nd British Div
11 troops of a Brit Inf Section 41 lost in surf during unload of 18th British Div /11
15 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 268th Motorised Bde
12 troops of a African Rifle Sqd lost overboard during unload of 11th (East African) Div /12
11 troops of a Brit Inf Section 41 lost in surf during unload of 2nd British Div /12
2pdr AT Gun accidentally lost during unload of 11th (East African) Div /13
11 troops of a Brit Inf Section 41 accidentally lost during unload of 18th British Div /17
15 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 18th British Div /18
Motorized Support lost in surf during unload of 268th Motorised Bde /19
11 troops of a Brit Inf Section 41 lost from landing craft during unload of 2nd British Div /17
12 troops of a African Rifle Sqd accidentally lost during unload of 11th (East African) Div /18
Motorized Support accidentally lost during unload of 11th (East African) Div /19
12 troops of a African Rifle Sqd accidentally lost during unload of 11th (East African) Div /20

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Amphibious Assault at Colombo (29,48)

TF 408 troops unloading over beach at Colombo, 29,48

Allied ground losses:
557 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 64 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 77 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 38 (0 destroyed, 38 disabled)
Vehicles lost 23 (1 destroyed, 22 disabled)

13 troops of a USA 43 Rifle Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 7th Infantry Div
Motorized Support accidentally lost during unload of 33rd Infantry Div /4
15 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 7th Infantry Div /5
13 troops of a USA 43 Rifle Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 24th Infantry Div /1
12 troops of a M2HB HMG Section lost overboard during unload of 25th Infantry Div
15 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 25th Infantry Div /6
13 troops of a USA 43 Rifle Squad lost overboard during unload of Americal Infantry Div /10

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Amphibious Assault at Colombo (29,48)

TF 410 troops unloading over beach at Colombo, 29,48

Allied ground losses:
102 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

M4 Sherman Tank accidentally lost during unload of Provisional Tank Bde
14 troops of a USMC 43 Rifle Squad lost overboard during unload of 4th Marine Div /4
12 troops of a M1917 MMG Section accidentally lost during unload of 4th Marine Div /5
11 troops of a Ind Inf Section 43 lost in surf during unload of 5th Indian Div /10
14 troops of a USMC 43 Rifle Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 3rd Marine Div /3
14 troops of a USMC 43 Rifle Squad lost overboard during unload of 3rd Marine Div /6
3" Mortar 43 damaged beyond repair during unload of 5th Indian Div /13
Motorized Support lost in surf during unload of 5th Indian Div /15
6pdr AT Gun lost in surf during unload of 5th Indian Div /16

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Pre-Invasion action off Colombo (29,48)

367 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CL Richmond
CL Newcastle
AKA Oberon
DD Roebuck

Japanese ground losses:
75 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
176 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

CL Richmond firing at 15th Division
CL Newcastle firing at 15th Division
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

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Pre-Invasion action off Colombo (29,48)

291 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Oklahoma
BB West Virginia
CA Astoria
CA New Orleans
CA Salt Lake City
DD Conyngham
SC Dynamic
SC PC-1085
LCI-435
LCI-443
LCI-448
LST-34
xAP Empress ' Australia
DD Litchfield
LCI-436

Japanese ground losses:
630 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 41 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 13 (2 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

BB Oklahoma firing at 4th/B Division
BB West Virginia firing at 15th Division
CA Astoria firing at 4th/B Division
CA New Orleans firing at 19th Ind.Mixed Brigade
CA Salt Lake City firing at 4th/A Division
DD Conyngham firing at 15th Division
SC Dynamic fired at enemy troops
SC PC-1085 fired at enemy troops
DD Conyngham fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 6,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

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Pre-Invasion action off Colombo (29,48)

395 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Colorado
BB Maryland
CA Hawkins
CA Baltimore
CL Kenya
CL Ceylon
LCI-332
LCI-83
LCI-336
LCI-334
LCI-84
DE Bebas

Japanese ground losses:
318 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
203 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 34 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

BB Colorado firing at 4th/B Division
BB Maryland firing at 15th Division
CA Hawkins firing at 15th Division
CA Baltimore firing at 19th Ind.Mixed Brigade
CL Kenya firing at 4th/A Division
CL Ceylon firing at 15th Division
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 6,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

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Pre-Invasion action off Colombo (29,48)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

273 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DD Hobby
DD Doyle
LCI-21
LCI-22
LCI-23

Allied ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

DD Hobby firing at 15th Division
DD Hobby fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 6,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

Losses were a bit higher than I would like, but the bombardment support going in was excellent. I would have thought the Amphib Force HQ in the AGC would have helped. His troops bombarded at the end of the turn, which showed me what I was facing. He has one division, one independent brigade and 2/3 of another division there -- essentially two divisions worth of troops. I have 13 divisions ashore, so this shouldn't be a problem. I'm set to attack next turn. I'm estimating I have about 80% of my forces ashore at this point.

I'd say his bombardment was a disaster.

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Ground combat at Colombo (29,48)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8331 troops, 76 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 846

Defending force 101851 troops, 1766 guns, 2302 vehicles, Assault Value = 4853

Japanese ground losses:
252 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled

Assaulting units:
15th Division
19th Ind. Mixed Brigade
4th/A Division
4th/B Division
35th Field AA Battalion
20th AA Regiment
21st Fld AA Gun Co
34th Field AA Battalion
26th Fld AA Gun Co
4th Air Defense AA Regiment
63rd JNAF AF Unit

Defending units:
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
24th Infantry Division
11th (East African) Div /10
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
4th Marine Div /9
3rd Marine Div /8
767th Tank Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
1st Marine Div /5
25th Infantry Division
2nd Marine Div /1
Americal Infantry Division
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
33rd Infantry Division
1st (Spec) Cavalry Division
18th British Div /8
268th Motorised Bde /12
640th Tank Destroyer Battalion
766th Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
2nd British Div /9
7th Infantry Division
Provisional Tank Brigade
1st USMC Tank Battalion
5th Indian Div /9
96th Coast AA Regiment
251st Cst AA Rgt /1

I now have two fast transport forces unloading at Baker. Interestingly, the message says they're unloading troops. I guess they might as well be, as my AV values of the troops there are rising. I may not take the island right now, but he can't get rid of me either.

At Cape Town, I'm loading a USMC defense battalion, two squadrons of Jugs and recon Lightnings for Ceylon. A big cargo convoy was almost done loading and I've re-tasked them for Ceylon also. Base forces and engineers are already making their way down along the Indian coast.

I'm getting my fleet carriers out of those sub infested waters. I'm punching them through to the SW and out a bit, about 10 hexes away. I'll keep them nearby, in case support or rescue is needed.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2015 3:10:31 PM

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Good job overall on your approach and landings! I also thought the losses on landing were rather high. Were the units prepped 100%?

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Mundy: Bombers led the way against forces at Colombo. Results here were mediocre.

I think your bombing results may indicate high levels of forts at Colombo. I would make my first attack a Deliberate Attack rather than Shock Attack. Once the forts are lower and he is beat up a bit more, the SA can be ordered.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2015 3:49:01 PM

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Everyone was at 100%.

I'm starting to think I brought serious overkill to this, but with my past of underestimating the enemy, I'll settle with this. It'll mean fewer losses on my end anyway. I can count on Trincomalee having half the forces that were at Colombo.

I'm only doing deliberate attack right now. I'll only shock if I'm certain I have enough of an advantage to seal the deal. In raw AVs, it looks like I have a 6-1 ratio, but I'm not sure how much the forts will slow this down.

I can say with certainty Ceylon will be mine. When I'm done here, I'll grab Attu and Diego. The defense battalion from Cape Town will eventually go to Diego.

I'll have to decide what's next. Calcutta will most likely be an uglier slog through the mud. Andaman Islands could be tempting to shut off the flow to/from Calcutta and Rangoon. I have to wonder if this is enough for CF to re-align KB to the west. If he does, I can try some adventures with the Gilberts and Marshalls. I only have to be sure first. I'm hoping by mid 1944, I'll have enough assault transports elsewhere to be a pain.

Contrary to my original plans, the War in the Pacific may have to be won in the west.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2015 5:25:34 PM

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I'm starting to think I brought serious overkill to this...

For morale considerations at the top command level -- if you follow my meaning -- better over than under.

Looking good so far; I hope you can get Ceylon cleanly as you suppose, and then work your way up through Jap occupied India. Meanwhile show no mercy to those subs -- wipe them all out.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2015 5:27:12 PM

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Nicely done! Yea it was a little overkill but I definitely agree just getting a victory is important for you now.

If it were me now I would probably go for a land campaign in India. I don't think it will be as bad as you think given stacking limits and the open terrain. Maybe even land behind his lines with your Ceylon army. Its still going to be a while before you can challenge the Japanese at sea so land is where you should focus your resources.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2015 7:37:44 PM

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My troops attack. Colombo was at fort level 6. I knocked it down to five and then simply took the base.

That was easy.

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Ground combat at Colombo (29,48)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 28437 troops, 238 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 827

Defending force 147155 troops, 2745 guns, 2982 vehicles, Assault Value = 5858

Japanese ground losses:
910 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 73 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 15 (3 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
15th Division
19th Ind.Mixed Brigade
4th/A Division
4th/B Division
21st Fld AA Gun Co
26th Fld AA Gun Co
20th AA Regiment
34th Field AA Battalion
4th Air Defense AA Regiment
35th Field AA Battalion
63rd JNAF AF Unit

Defending units:
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
767th Tank Battalion
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
1st (Spec) Cavalry Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
5th Indian Division
25th Infantry Division
268th Motorised Brigade
Provisionl Tank Brigade
1st USMC Tank Battalion
2nd Marine Division
33rd Infantry Division
11th (East African) Division
766th Tank Battalion
3rd Marine Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
18th British Division
762nd Tank Battalion
640th Tank Destroyer Battalion
Americal Infantry Division
24th Infantry Division
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
4th Marine Division
7th Infantry Division
2nd British Division
1st Marine Div /5
205th Field Artillery Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
181st Field Artillery Battalion
251st Coast AA Regiment
96th Coast AA Regiment

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Ground combat at Colombo (29,48)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 145646 troops, 2626 guns, 2922 vehicles, Assault Value = 5855

Defending force 30661 troops, 371 guns, 86 vehicles, Assault Value = 768

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 1820

Japanese adjusted defense: 234

Allied assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied forces CAPTURE Colombo !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
12226 casualties reported
Squads: 303 destroyed, 199 disabled
Non Combat: 318 destroyed, 58 disabled
Engineers: 62 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 326 (260 destroyed, 66 disabled)
Vehicles lost 78 (77 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units retreated 10

Allied ground losses:
4860 casualties reported
Squads: 138 destroyed, 303 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 98 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 145 (29 destroyed, 116 disabled)
Vehicles lost 330 (58 destroyed, 272 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
33rd Infantry Division
762nd Tank Battalion
Americal Infantry Division
767th Tank Battalion
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
11th (East African) Division
766th Tank Battalion
25th Infantry Division
1st (Spec) Cavalry Division
640th Tank Destroyer Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
2nd British Division
2nd Marine Division
Provisionl Tank Brigade
7th Infantry Division
18th British Division
5th Indian Division
268th Motorised Brigade
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
3rd Marine Division
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
24th Infantry Division
4th Marine Division
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
1st Marine Div /5
251st Coast AA Regiment
205th Field Artillery Battalion
181st Field Artillery Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
96th Coast AA Regiment

Defending units:
15th Division
19th Ind.Mixed Brigade
4th/A Division
4th/B Division
34th Field AA Battalion
26th Fld AA Gun Co
4th Air Defense AA Regiment
20th AA Regiment
21st Fld AA Gun Co
35th Field AA Battalion
63rd JNAF AF Unit

My late arriving ASW groups are chasing subs everywhere. No attacks by them except for one on my minesweepers. USN AMs come loaded for bear nowadays and went after it, just getting a minor hit. I think my ASW groups are pretty much deterring any of his subs from attacking. I've re-routed the patrol zones of my subs to overlap also. One of my subs took a shot at one of his, but missed last turn.

Colombo had about 22,000 supply when I took it. I should have it over 60,000 by the time my amphibs finish unloading. More will be on the way.

My jeep carriers are disbanded at Colombo. The amphib command group is unloading and will disband also. The amphibs will head back up north to haul in all the rest of the support forces.

All my USA paras are whole and moving to the northern port of Jaffna. The Indian paras are still being flown over. Two divisions are enroute to Koggala. About 2/3 of the rest are headed to Trincomalee. It's all just mopping up now. I was surprised because the two sub-units of the IJA 4th Division had AVs of 20 or less. They were pretty weak. I want to empty out Colombo, as I'm overstacked there right now.

Things are quiet in the air for now. I may decide to pound Raipur as he has a number of fighters based there. CF will be noticing all the recon visiting Calcutta and the surrounding bases there.

Time to wrap this up, recover and prepare for the next move.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2015 8:59:25 PM

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2745 guns! Nicely done!

What direction did the retreated units take? Might they re-take the base in central Ceylon?

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2015 9:22:00 PM

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They went southeast. My guys going to Trincomalee will cut them off if they try that.

I'm hoping I can bag a bunch of subs soon.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/25/2015 4:17:19 PM

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04 December 1943

The cleanup.

Amphibs are getting near the end of their unload. Colombo has the yellow exclamation mark instead of the red one now. I'm waiting for the troops to move to ease the stacking situation.

I've reassigned all my subs in the region to Colombo. I had 26 surrounding the island, which I've recalled, plus another two at Bombay now enroute. Four more in in the Calcutta/Rangoon area, and while reassigning their home base, I'll let them cruise. When my hoard gets fixed back up, I'll dump them in the area from Calcutta to the Malay straits.

ASW bagged another sub today, and beat up a second. I'm seeing fewer around -- something like 4 now.

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Sub attack near Colombo at 28,47

Japanese Ships
SS I-162, hits 33, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Taylor
DD Meredith
DD Wadsworth
DD Thatcher

SS I-162 launches 4 torpedoes at DD Taylor
I-162 bottoming out ....
DD Meredith fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wadsworth attacking submerged sub ....
DD Meredith attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-162 forced to surface!
DD Meredith firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Wadsworth firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Thatcher firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Meredith firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Wadsworth firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Thatcher firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Wadsworth firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Thatcher firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves

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ASW attack near Colombo at 27,47

Japanese Ships
SS I-23, hits 3

Allied Ships
DD Isaac Sweers
DD Helm
DD Norman

SS I-23 is located by DD Isaac Sweers
I-23 diving deep ....
DD Isaac Sweers fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Norman fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Isaac Sweers fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Norman fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Norman attacking submerged sub ....
DD Norman attacking submerged sub ....
DD Norman is out of ASW ammo
DD Norman is out of ASW ammo
DD Norman is out of ASW ammo
DD Norman is out of ASW ammo
DD Norman fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Norman fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Preliminary recon of the Calcutta area seems to indicate they're fairly weakly held. It's only the first day, so I'll give intel time to develop.

A second supply convoy is loading up at Cape Town for Colombo. A fuel convoy at Abadan is doing likewise on the fuel side.

Once Ceylon is secured, I'll have to figure out how to keep my troops to ease the stacking situation. I may have to base out of Madras for part of my forces.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/25/2015 5:39:03 PM

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That was a seriously powerful army you landed in Colombo. Should that show up in the Indian subcontinent it would likely be enough to win you a victory there.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/25/2015 10:02:47 PM

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I'm thinking so at this point.

Recon's indicating 15,000 troops in Calcutta, 1,800 at Diamond Harbor and 2,200 at Jessore. Doesn't look like much, does it? If I land there, I'll probably also take those coastal bases to the south at the same time. If/when he reacts to those, the rest of the troops in western India will be on the move then. I still have a rather large stack at Bezwada.

05 December 1943

I'm reminding CF that there's still a war going on in places not named "India".

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Morning Air attack on Suva , at 132,160

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 14

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 9 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAP Ohtaka Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Melbourne Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Port hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 15000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 15000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 15000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (14 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
14 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 8000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 8000.
Raid is overhead

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Morning Air attack on Suva , at 132,160

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 2 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 5

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 6

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAP Ohtaka Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Melbourne Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 15000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 8000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 129 minutes

I guess Nicks can't get the job done.

I-153 had two separate incidents west of Ceylon and took a combined twelve hit, all "soft" ones without the penetration type results. I'd guess damaged is racked up a bit on that one.

Some of the amphibs are heading north. Two are still at Colombo, but they're almost done. Soon I'll have a decent base set up there. A big supply convoy just finished unloading at Karachi. I've had enough supply runs going that it's almost a conveyor belt now. Indian paras are still getting flown across. They were a bigger job than I thought.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/26/2015 7:20:36 PM

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1 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 8000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 129 minutes

I guess Nicks can't get the job done.

congratulations on a good result, but I wouldn't count on Cannonfodder to stick with an 8000-foot patrol altitude.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/26/2015 9:48:23 PM

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I guess I didn't look that closely.

Anyway, it was just a one-and-done deal. Both of us have gotten into the habit of not repeating a raid like this.

06 December 1943

I may think twice about using the Indian paras next time. They're still getting flown over, support mostly from the looks of it. I want to clear the transports out of Madras and move the bombers in and oriented towards Calcutta. Recon's indicating a similar amount of troops as before. Calcutta has about 50 fighters and about 120 bombers living there right now.

I've sent the first 10 subs out from Colombo now. Six are covering the run from Rangoon to Malaya. The other four are headed towards Calcutta with the three already there. It looks like all his subs have bailed the Ceylon area. Two of my ASW groups were three hexes SE of Ceylon, which was way out of their patrol area. Probably chasing something out that ways. My fleet carriers are also headed to Colombo. Oklahoma's on her way to Cape Town. I don't have the drydock space to hold her for her repairs.

I meant to review my naval reinforcements, but forgot. I know my first Iowa is due in this month, plus another Essex along with one or two CVLs. The carriers will go to Pearl to build around Hornet. I guess she's my version of Big E in this game.

Two tank units outran my troops and reached Trincomalee. They'll sit tight as what's there is probably too much for them, despite having about 140 Stuarts present.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/27/2015 11:39:04 AM

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That was a seriously powerful army you landed in Colombo. Should that show up in the Indian subcontinent it would likely be enough to win you a victory there.

+1

5800 AV is a steamroller!

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/27/2015 12:22:55 PM

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Better to have too much, I guess.

I've always had a habit of underestimating what I need, as my Baker Island adventure shows. Oddly enough, my supply runs have them growing and they're nearing parity to the Japanese on that island. Something like 115-130. If I can keep the supplies up while prevent him from getting any with my bombers at Canton, I may just be able to attrit him to death.

I want to wrap up Ceylon fairly quickly. The nice part about taking it is that it makes the Royal Navy relevant again. Troops seem to be moving about 12 miles a day, so it's taking a while to move them to the east side.

I'll need to tread carefully with the Calcutta op. I could see CF leaving that area deceptively weak, with KB waiting to pounce. I may consider landing at Cocanada/Vizagapatnam and just move overland to the east. That would give my forces at Bezwada a larger role in the deal. I have time to think about it, as it'll take at least a month to get everyone organized.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/27/2015 1:15:03 PM

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For the prospective India op, what is wrong with moving by land from Madras, or whatever is your northernmost coastal base on that side? Troops on land can't drown, and the Bay of Bengal can be a deathtrap for shipping if the Japanese block the southern end.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/27/2015 1:41:44 PM

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Probably nothing wrong with that. I suppose I could take half the force and rail them to someplace like Benares for a two-pronged deal.

I've got time to mull. I'm favoring something safer at this point. My paras could grab some rail junction behind the lines also. It'll just take longer and won't have the lightning strike effect of a big landing

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/27/2015 3:19:03 PM

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You're moving into '44 and it's time to set a pace for victory.

If you have the assets and strength for a landing close to your objective than don't be shy about bulling your way there.

Two months of ground slogging to get to the objective is a luxury you can no longer afford.

That being said, cover your behind and set a trap for they KB if you can.

My personal preference is Andmans over Calcutta.

Less chance of a naval air battle trapping you in the upper gulf.

Quickly built-up and well stocked with air it would completely alter the balance of power in the upper gulf placing air assets astride his sea lanes.

Places immediate pressure on Rangoon and southern Burma.

Calcutta, like taking the slow road to Calcutta represents the slow and methodical approach.

Time dictates the need to take a shot at the jugular instead of chopping off the limbs.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/27/2015 3:52:48 PM

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Probably nothing wrong with that. I suppose I could take half the force and rail them to someplace like Benares for a two-pronged deal.

I've got time to mull. I'm favoring something safer at this point. My paras could grab some rail junction behind the lines also. It'll just take longer and won't have the lightning strike effect of a big landing

Several players have had the painful experience of Japanese BBs delivering nuclear bombardments to their troops on the coast of the Bay of Bombay. The road along the bay is dangerous, stay inland if you go that way.
Like HansBolter, I was also thinking of an invasion of the Andamans, but I am not sure you have enough to challenge the full KB yet. I think you need another active front to keep KB busy far away before invading the Andamans.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/27/2015 4:07:02 PM

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The Andamans were on my initial hit list, but the rest of the readership had shaky views on it.

Calcutta and its surrounding bases seem to be rather weakly held at this point and a quick strike could probably grab them quickly. With all the LCUs I have, I could contemplate taking Calcutta, Chittagong, Cox's, Akyab and the Andamans simultaneously. For the islands, I'd probably have the base forces enroute two days behind the invaders to set up shop quickly. I would also consider landing my naval air at the base for protection until the more permanent units get shipped over. I'd want at least two or three islands so that I have an interlocking protection scheme similar to what I have set up near Pago Pago.

I'd like to take Calcutta in the hopes that it eases the supply difficulties I'm having in India.

If I can get to Rangoon, I could think about a large force to start freeing areas of China. I'd probably get a load of Chinese troops if Chungking fell. Singapore would probably be part two of that move.

If KB orients to the west, I can make trouble in the Marshalls. Some good intel would be nice right about now.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/27/2015 4:57:09 PM

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I believe moving into the Andamans in the near future would be very big mistake. Sure you can get stuck in the Bay of Bengal but that's further from the KBs staging areas than the Andamans are meaning the risk is definitely less. IMO you can't make a move like that until you are putting heavy pressure on the IJN in the Pacific which is still a ways away.

My thoughts are that you should aim to capture the Calcutta region and get some bases there and then you can think about bypassing Burma by landing in the Andamans. First start a land campaign while keeping some units in reserve prepping them for landings. Should the land campaign go well you can commit them there and if not you can land at Diamond Harbor in 3 months time.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/27/2015 5:29:09 PM

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At this point I want to be able to grab things quickly, so the war doesn't go until 1950.

I'm going to try to get recon up across more of India. I'm not certain where his real "hard point" is with regard to troop quantities. Cocanada has the biggest group I've come across as of late. I can't believe he's focused in some little interior base somewhere.

I can restart my overland attack from Bezwada again. If Vizagapatnam still appears empty, I can drop paras there and choke off supply. It may take time to wear them down, but I'll probably do it in the end. I'll try to time this when I land at Diamond Harbor. I won't have to deal with the naval bombardments this time around.

Either way, I'll need a few months to get everyone gathered up, rested and refitted and trained up for the next move. Tonight if I remember, I'll post what's coming for reinforcements between now and April.

I'm toying with the idea of grabbing one of the Jimas up north. I'm building up a bunch of support forces in Seattle which would be useful for there. B-24s up there could wind up being a pain.

The difficult part is that most of my good assault transports are tied up in India. I'm getting plenty of LSTs, AKs and the like built up at Pearl, but I don't have any of the good people movers over there yet. I would think 1944 would see lots of these coming in. I'm not sure what's on the horizon for good combat divisions, either. I think I mostly have all I'm going to send to India either there or on the way now. My first Iowa will probably be sent that way also. I think an old slow RN BB is about to arrive also. (Resolution?). Once I have half a dozen fleet carriers at Pearl Harbor, can I start getting frisky there.

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