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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 5:23:49 PM

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Just watched an old war flick last night I had never seen before.

Attack on the Iron Coast starring LLoyd Bridges:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxyyDKCgULs

Was a fictionalized version of the Raid on St. Nazaire.

The target was LeClair and the premise was an old destroyer packed with explosives to be rammed into the dock accompanied by a Canadain commando raid on the port.

I always wondered why in that era of movie making they didn't just depict the actual operation, but instead create fictionalized versions of them.

It brought back fond memoires of the old AH solitaire game Raid on St. Nazaire.

US movie studios probably fictionalized these stories so they could star Americans. These days audiences will sit still for movies which have no Americans in them, but that wasn't so (or wasn't thought to be so) back in the 1950s.

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Yes, that is how William Holden found himself stuck in a British POW camp in the movie version of "The Bridge Over the River Kwai." American studio heads were convinced the movie had to have an American in order to sell.

In this case, they would have been right...

I think William Holden (and his character) were integral to the plot and the development of that fine movie. The camp also had Aussies and other nationals in it and would have been diminished in its scope, scale and impact had it been an (unrealistic) All-British exclusive camp and plot.

Well, it was not horrible but he was not in the novel and that seemed to work out just fine.

Did the novel have the acting genius of Sir Alec Guiness as a major character? I'd say this is an instance of the movie perhaps being *better* than the book.

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 5:39:50 PM

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 5:52:52 PM

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Here's some of his roles in that film (he played eight different characters)

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 5:53:53 PM

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 5:54:36 PM

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 6:10:06 PM

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 6:10:53 PM

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 6:15:39 PM

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 6:24:21 PM

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more movie posters

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 6:24:50 PM

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 6:25:24 PM

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 6:25:51 PM

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 6:51:17 PM

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Here's another excellent English actor, Richard Attenborough

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 7:03:35 PM

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Just watched an old war flick last night I had never seen before.

Attack on the Iron Coast starring LLoyd Bridges:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxyyDKCgULs

Was a fictionalized version of the Raid on St. Nazaire.

The target was LeClair and the premise was an old destroyer packed with explosives to be rammed into the dock accompanied by a Canadain commando raid on the port.

I always wondered why in that era of movie making they didn't just depict the actual operation, but instead create fictionalized versions of them.

It brought back fond memoires of the old AH solitaire game Raid on St. Nazaire.

US movie studios probably fictionalized these stories so they could star Americans. These days audiences will sit still for movies which have no Americans in them, but that wasn't so (or wasn't thought to be so) back in the 1950s.

Bill

Yes, that is how William Holden found himself stuck in a British POW camp in the movie version of "The Bridge Over the River Kwai." American studio heads were convinced the movie had to have an American in order to sell.

In this case, they would have been right...

I think William Holden (and his character) were integral to the plot and the development of that fine movie. The camp also had Aussies and other nationals in it and would have been diminished in its scope, scale and impact had it been an (unrealistic) All-British exclusive camp and plot.

Well, it was not horrible but he was not in the novel and that seemed to work out just fine.

Did the novel have the acting genius of Sir Alec Guiness as a major character? I'd say this is an instance of the movie perhaps being *better* than the book.

Not better than one of the best novels to ever come out of WWII but certainly a great movie. BTW, I have the DVD and it has a great documentary on blowing up the bridge and train. One take, with no chance of a retake! It is actually as fun to watch as the movie. So much better than CGI.

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 7:13:14 PM

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Finally

, perhaps the greatest ever, of any nationality

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 8:34:00 PM

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Personally, I have a difficult time placing anyone above Sir Anthony......

His portrayal of Hitler in The Bunker was the performance of a lifetime:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082114/

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/21/2014 10:25:36 PM

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I have the DVD and it has a great documentary on blowing up the bridge and train. One take, with no chance of a retake! It is actually as fun to watch as the movie. So much better than CGI.

I'll have to check my DVD for these extras...thanks for the heads up.

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/22/2014 3:05:53 AM

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Personally, I have a difficult time placing anyone above Sir Anthony......

His portrayal of Hitler in The Bunker was the performance of a lifetime:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082114/

I love Anthony Hopkins, but I'm pretty sure he'd agree with me on my picks, even Michael Caine would. Here's where I challenge everyone. Of American actors, I think Robert Duvall is the best ever. And that's saying a lot considering the competition.

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/22/2014 3:13:53 PM

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Personally, I have a difficult time placing anyone above Sir Anthony......

His portrayal of Hitler in The Bunker was the performance of a lifetime:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082114/

I love Anthony Hopkins, but I'm pretty sure he'd agree with me on my picks, even Michael Caine would. Here's where I challenge everyone. Of American actors, I think Robert Duvall is the best ever. And that's saying a lot considering the competition.

John Wayne.

Of course, he was my role model and my Idol. I actually got to say hello to him when he was making True Grit. I may be a "bit" biased

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/22/2014 7:39:15 PM

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JW was very good, but I'm talking about actors who can play any type, not so-called "character actors" who are unconvincing out of character. Think Ghengis Khan in "The Conqueror". His range was limited. Gene Hackman, though great, didn't get out much either. Robert Shaw, Henry Fonda, Tom Hanks are good candidates. TH is an excellent one. Spencer Tracy had some range. Robert Ryan, there's a great one. George C Scott. Harvey Keitel. Paul Newman. Al Pacino. "Bad Santa" has the ability. Besides Billy Bob, Tommie Lee. Bogart had more range than he got a chance to show, I believe. I think he had an awful lot of talent underneath. Some actors get stuck playing heroes when they could do excellent bad guys. Think Anthony Hopkins, though Welshmen don't count. Robert Mitchum. Burt Lancaster. Those two were amazing.

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/22/2014 7:43:56 PM

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By the way, Wilt Chamberlain was a piker compared to Ghengis Khan.

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/22/2014 8:17:43 PM

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Duval and Jones along with Wayne are my 3 favorites. James Gardner was also a great actor and one of my favorites. There in lies the problem, I have too many actors that I like.

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/22/2014 8:26:25 PM

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Its too quiet here. How many people think that Jan Michael Vincent was a greater actor than Ben Affleck?

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/22/2014 9:06:08 PM

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Its too quiet here. How many people think that Jan Michael Vincent was a greater actor than Ben Affleck?

That sound you just heard was me heaving my guts up from twenty-five miles away! "Have you no SHAME Sir?"

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/22/2014 10:12:30 PM

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Its too quiet here. How many people think that Jan Michael Vincent was a greater actor than Ben Affleck?

That sound you just heard was me heaving my guts up from twenty-five miles away! "Have you no SHAME Sir?"

No, I don't. But was the rest of that supposed to mean? Are they equally odious?

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/22/2014 10:26:08 PM

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Its too quiet here. How many people think that Jan Michael Vincent was a greater actor than Ben Affleck?

That sound you just heard was me heaving my guts up from twenty-five miles away! "Have you no SHAME Sir?"

No, I don't. But was the rest of that supposed to mean? Are they equally odious?

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Neither are as bad as Dick Van Dyke - especially when said "actor" is trying to pull off the accent of an East London Cockney Chimney Sweep

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RE: Absolutley OT: Growing Up - 8/22/2014 10:34:23 PM

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Its too quiet here. How many people think that Jan Michael Vincent was a greater actor than Ben Affleck?

That sound you just heard was me heaving my guts up from twenty-five miles away! "Have you no SHAME Sir?"

No, I don't. But was the rest of that supposed to mean? Are they equally odious?

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Neither are as bad as Dick Van Dyke - especially when said "actor" is trying to pull off the accent of an East London Cockney Chimney Sweep