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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/17/2014 7:47:34 PM   
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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/17/2014 8:20:54 PM   
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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/17/2014 8:22:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Symon

Getting closer. Four more hours till it's a 24 hour skunk, on a weekend.


The first Gurkha?

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/17/2014 8:27:50 PM   
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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/17/2014 9:47:18 PM   
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Not there yet, getting warmer...

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/17/2014 9:55:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just in case she WAS the Stewart , here's the tale. USS Stewart DD-224 was scuttled when Cavite fell. The Japanese raised her and renamed her Patrol Boat # 102. After the war , the USN recovered her , and since we already had a new Steward (DE-234) the USN simple called her DD-224.

Patrol boat 102 shared credit for sinking USS Harder.



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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/17/2014 10:01:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course if she's a Tribal , then she has to be the Zubian.When each ship , the Zulu and Nubian were damaged , they
grafted the undamaged part to the other and produced a new ship.



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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/17/2014 10:20:20 PM   
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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/17/2014 10:38:07 PM   
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Zulu had its stern blown off. Nubian had its bow blown off.
They stuck the good parts of Zulu and Nubian together and commissioned her the Zubian.

Whew ... you guys had me worried there for a minute.

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/17/2014 10:40:38 PM   
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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 3:07:35 AM   
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double , sorry. But maybe Steve should get extra credit.


No extra credit. That was his third or fourth guess!

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 3:59:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Symon

double , sorry. But maybe Steve should get extra credit.


No extra credit. That was his third or fourth guess!


Actually I should get NO credit as I didn't base either of my guesses upon the photos (neither looked right to me). But I was familiar with each ship and Symon's clues "clued me in".
So how many "guesses" did you make? I may not get ANY credit. But we should deduct some from you for being "Chicken-livered" and not making any real ones. . 1st Gurka is a name , NOT a story. So there!

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 6:09:28 AM   
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No credit for you....

No credit for me...



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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 4:36:14 PM   
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[edit] A teensy, but obfuscatory, clue is that she was a "proof of concept" that eventually resulted in USS Constitution, and many others, both earlier and later.

Name this mystery ship (obviously from a time before photographs).



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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 5:38:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Strange rig, I'd guess it was some kind of top sail rigged cat boat. A lateen mizzen with gaffed main. Strange. I don't see gunports . so I assume it's not a warship.
The rounded bow looks almost like some kind of medieval Cog, but it has no towers.

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 6:02:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		The French had a rig somewhat similar called a "Galliot" , and the English colliers used something similar in a rig. I've had no luck with a US similar type.

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 6:22:41 PM   
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Strange rig, I'd guess it was some kind of top sail rigged cat boat. A lateen mizzen with gaffed main. Strange. I don't see gunports . so I assume it's not a warship.
The rounded bow looks almost like some kind of medieval Cog, but it has no towers.

Dude, you are obviously a sailor, and a decent naval historian, notwithstanding your silly airplane stuff. No gunports, but the deckplan shows a couple carriage guns that could be fired through the entry port openings.

Think about it. Topsail rigged, sprit main cat boat, with a lateen mizzen. Hint, just for you, the rig had many names during the period, barke, barque longe, baris, basically a ship that is easier going to weather than a full rigged ship. There was a time when these rigs were used often.

[ed] but it wasn't the rig. The rig lets you put her into the right time period (+/- 75 years or so). It was who she was and what she did.

Ciao John

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 6:26:42 PM   
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<edit>

My choice is the Experiment. It fits the drawing, and the name would tweak Symon's interest.

My 2 cents, anyways.

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 6:28:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lecivius
It's a brigantine design, not sure of the name. Looking....
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My choice is the Experiment. It fits the drawing, and the name would tweak Symon's interest.
My 2 cents, anyways.

Nope. Good guess, but she's not a brigantine, although it does tweak my interest. Your 2 cents have been deposited into the winner's pot.

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 6:47:29 PM   
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I have another guess, but one to a customer. I'll just sit on the sidelines & see if I'm any smarter once the teacher gives me a dunce cap.

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 6:50:16 PM   
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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 7:07:36 PM   
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Is she a bomb vessel. open deck gun ports for mortars?



Naw...a bomb vessels mast would be more angled and further aft....and her timbers would be massive.


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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 7:10:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just had a weird thought.....she's not a warship but an auxiliary...is she Endeavor? Of Captain Cook fame?

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 7:13:41 PM   
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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 8:05:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well John , I'm going to have to say ???? I really have not got a clue. In my research I keep getting sail plans for Hoys, that are close , but no cigar. What is it?

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 8:41:07 PM   
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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 8:53:07 PM   
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Would ya'll like another one? I have one that I'm betting even Steve can't get. Oh, heck, should just go ahead and post it. This one is wrapped up in significant historical events that made me go Woof!!! when I looked into them.

[edit] A teensy, but obfuscatory, clue is that she was a "proof of concept" that eventually resulted in USS Constitution, and many others, both earlier and later.

Name this mystery ship (obviously from a time before photographs).





USS Hannah?

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 8:59:09 PM   
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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 9:30:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		The bow sail design is old, but maybe not quite that old. The main and mizzen sails are from Mediterranean designs, so I'd say not later than about 1700, and probably much older. The bow looks Dutch to me. I have no idea of a name.

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RE: OT; Another Name that Ship - 8/18/2014 9:39:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		She's the Virginia or Virginia of Sagadanoc. The first English ship built in America. Approx. 1608.

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/14/columns/guest/stan/index.htm#.U_JxzGd0xaQ

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