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Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/25/2014 3:34:41 PM   
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After a long break I've started a new game with the old russian side.


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My opponent crossed the river near Riga, and allow some units to escape using the ports in Kurland.
With no threat from the 3rd panzer army, holding Leningrad could be a major soviet objective.






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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/25/2014 3:46:51 PM   
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Building a defensive line around the Dnyepr, and retreat after T05 closer to Moscow (or depends on situation). However, the germans encircled the soviet forces around Bialistok, what is a standard move, but using the whole 9th and 4th army to encircle them is not usual. Ok, on T02 they will eliminate all my troops, but they will need min. 2 other turn moving to frontline.

So my center front is in safe for the next 4-5 turn.







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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/25/2014 3:55:51 PM   
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The Lvov pocket is open or this turn, so I buy more time dealing with the germans, without massive infantry support. Most of the 2nd panzer elements (5 division + GD regiment) moved south.
It's seems the major german object will be the southern expansion. I decide to retreat back to the river, abandon West-Ukraine, and send my best troops to the Moscow front.

The sourhern stategy is clear, retreat and don't fight, give up factories if it's necessary, but heavily reinforce the center, and north. L
eningrad and Moscow can't fall, but Rostov and Kharkov can.






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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/26/2014 8:20:09 PM   
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Using 35 AP to create 20 sapper regiment and 15 RR brigade. The rest disbanding forts, air and paratroper HQ-s.
Only 3 ARM factory was evacuated, but all troops stand on their good position.

Er... my opponent moved Estonia without care of his back. I'm curious about T03 moves, but there is a big chance to eliminate german divisions, if he can't liberate those troops. He has only 3 mot divisions to do anything for them, but without any air supply last turn. The 16th and 18th infantry armies stands south from Daugava river, and no other troops can be found north from the river except the 4th panzer army.

In any result, my front is safe, and Leningrad seems to be far from early danger.







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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/26/2014 8:25:09 PM   
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Quiet, nothing interesting. The Berezina river is the front line, and 3 arm factories were evacuated.
Now a wall of steel protect the fist line, and T03-04 reinforcements will build the second around Moscow.
My goal is still to hold the river for 3-4 turn.






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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/26/2014 8:29:28 PM   
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The Lvov and Kovel pocket closed, and my opponent threat the retreat line of 7 divisions in the swamp area. The good news are he moved with divisions to the middle of the marshes.






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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/26/2014 8:40:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure I've ever seen an axis player lose three arm/mot divisions on turn 3 - this will be a first. Ouch!

Also that land bridge "wall of steel" is very impressive. Brings back bad memories of our last game.

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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/26/2014 8:52:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		The 1:2=1:1 beat you not the wall. That wall can be drastically lower with a succesfull attack. 6-7 CV armors will not last forever :)

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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/26/2014 10:23:55 PM   
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6-7 CV armors will not last forever :)


Did you mean panzers or tanks?


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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/26/2014 10:36:35 PM   
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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/27/2014 12:17:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		isolated panzers neither, good hunting Sir.
I would feel really really sick in his place.

Did you left some forces in the Baltikum behind his lines?

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Fight in Estonia - 8/27/2014 2:23:20 AM   
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The german troops remained encircled, not eliminated. Defeating germans who have space to retreat, plus the favor of difficult terrain , and supplied by air have 4-8 CV power, even if they are encircled.

So on T04 the situation will be the same, 3 german divs are isolated, but german infantry divs will arrive to the front line. Stand and fight in Estonia could be risky, but I'm fighting far from Leningrad, and the germans are forced to operate only in Estonia. It's seems Pskov could remain is soviet hand for more turns.

Other sectors are quiet, in center the german wait his infantry support, and don't move, south the germans advance close to Kiev, with no soviet resistance west from Dnypr river.

This turn 16 soviet arm factory was evacuated plus several 1 level air, tank, and other factory (IL2, T40...)






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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/27/2014 2:25:06 AM   
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isolated panzers neither, good hunting Sir.
I would feel really really sick in his place.

Did you left some forces in the Baltikum behind his lines?



3 infantry divs survied the T01 battles in Kurland. Those troops encircled the german troops from west balticum

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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/27/2014 2:43:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like it should be a short game, without a good 41 the germans are toast...

Seems like your playing someone that doesnt really know what they are doing?

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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/27/2014 12:06:35 PM   
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19 factories had been evacuated, including D-town arm factories.


North
Finally the german lost one his motorized division. The rest was liberated by the 4th panzer army.
The soviet forces retreat back to Pskov, and wait the german attack. I won 3 extra turn this sector, what means Leningrad has a minimal chance to fall in 41.

Center
Nothing special. Waiting the german infantry divisions. Next turn my opponent will start attacking the Dnyepr line, what must hold only for one turn. The newly reformed reserve front units refit, and build fortificatins around Moscow.

South
Still nothing interesting. The germens arrives to the western part of Dnyepr line, but the russians have strong and fortified positions. Next turn the battle of river crossing will begin.





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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/27/2014 1:32:18 PM   
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Looks like it should be a short game, without a good 41 the germans are toast...

Seems like your playing someone that doesnt really know what they are doing?


Yep, several german division (5+) still fight around Lvov, what is not an average event. Just like destroy german mot division on T04.

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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/27/2014 1:34:17 PM   
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Interested see how game proceeds. For Soviets its all about when victory is assured. Your expectations?

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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/27/2014 2:04:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		My expectations? Depends on situations. On north I won. -1 german division, Pskov, unharmed troops... what else I need?

Center and south the result is draw, nince I've run back to the river, so only next turns will come the heavy fights. The factories are safe, only 8 Arm (Kiev and Minsk) destroyed.


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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/27/2014 5:07:56 PM   
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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/27/2014 8:08:10 PM   
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MUD!

The german drive 3 infantry division to take Odessa, so I evacuated the city, before the attack occured. Tallin falls on the north, and the garrison was isolated, just like another infantry division on the Finn front. All other frontline seems to be static, and quiet. Building fortification on center, plus the full Reserve front goes to the river, and landbridge. Those guys have 50 morale, with 60-80% TOE, so their fighting capability could be usefull.
So could be a good option to stand and fight, since my troops are unharmed, and with 4.6 million men on T05, so I'm curious about the working of stand and fight strategy.

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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/27/2014 8:50:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have to agree with Flavius things are looking grim for Kaiman
It seems he scattered his efforts in multiple directions and left many Pz units vulnerable, and you did well against that
Against a good soviet player, the Germans need to stay tighter

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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/27/2014 9:11:37 PM   
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I have to agree with Flavius things are looking grim for Kaiman
It seems he scattered his efforts in multiple directions and left many Pz units vulnerable, and you did well against that
Against a good soviet player, the Germans need to stay tighter


Kaiman had no reason hooking Leningrad from Estonia. Moved to fast, and without infantry support 6 mot division can't do anything to break the frontline. The area of Narva is bady difficult, with forrest, swamp, and rivers, and the baltic is too big for 4th Pz army. Never worked from that way.

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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/27/2014 9:51:23 PM   
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I have to agree with Flavius things are looking grim for Kaiman
It seems he scattered his efforts in multiple directions and left many Pz units vulnerable, and you did well against that
Against a good soviet player, the Germans need to stay tighter


Kaiman had no reason hooking Leningrad from Estonia. Moved to fast, and without infantry support 6 mot division can't do anything to break the frontline. The area of Narva is bady difficult, with forrest, swamp, and rivers, and the baltic is too big for 4th Pz army. Never worked from that way.



It looks like Kaiman royally screwed up his opening. In AGN failing to take Venstpils is a killer mistake, because it allows a bunch of units to sail up to L-Grad. In addition, I suspect he routed a bunch of units out of the AGN pocket (if there even was one) and past the Dvina. The best way to get to L-Grad fast is to minimize the number of units in front of you. Conversely, having a bunch of Russians running around in your rear leads to what happened here.

In AGC, failing to make the Bialystock pocket airtight is a big mistake, and is not that hard to do with a little practice.

Finally, in AGS, he did not knock the Soviet front line units out of their forts. I think that is a big waste of your first turn surprise bonus, and it significantly delays the advance of 17th Army in particular.

One question for you -- why abandon Odessa? Even against Germans, it can be a tough nut to crack, and even if the Germans win, your units just rout to a safe port (and you have delayed those german units' advance).



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RE: Callistrid vs Kaiman (no Kaiman plz) - 8/27/2014 10:25:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		NO reason to fight. 3 german division is out of war for at least 3 turns. Need time moving from Odessa to the frontline. Plus I can use the evacuated divisions against the active german army.

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Disgusting turn!!! - 8/29/2014 5:25:49 PM   
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No comment...




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RE: Disgusting turn!!! - 8/29/2014 5:42:56 PM   
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So, what happend here? Well the german tried to cross the river on T03, with 3 division, but they was beat back.
Now still try to cross the river, but still hit back.
Around D-town, the weak rumanian lines where destroyed routing several rumanian unit.
Several attack against rumanians, and 2 against german troops.






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RE: Disgusting turn!!! - 8/29/2014 5:48:41 PM   
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Four attack against the german troops. 2 against 34 and 28 CV strong german panzer and motorized troops. In this sector the german lost around 250-300 tank this turn, and won nothing.
The river is still in my hand, and only 7+ (7 detected, and all hited) motorized troops operate, so maybe seems pompous, but I can hold the river for more turns.






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RE: Disgusting turn!!! - 8/29/2014 5:51:05 PM   
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Fall back to the Luga line. The german operating with 10 panzer/mot division in that area, and he encircled 1 soviet division, plus 2 brigade. Men around 20k.





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RE: Disgusting turn!!! - 8/29/2014 6:44:21 PM   
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Here is my first post of T07.

No comment...



does look a bit more like 1943 than 1941 with all those red splodges on the map

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RE: Disgusting turn!!! - 9/5/2014 3:00:40 PM   
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