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What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/22/2014 9:15:31 PM   
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Hey my friends at Matrix:

Just wanted to tell you that I had one frigging day today in what people are calling "Ottawa's own 911". Even though I find that statement way overboard, needless to say being locked-down in your office building for about 80% of your working day is not pleasant, especially when everything next to our office which is about a 5 minute walk to parliament building was crawling with police, military, Paramedics and people running every which way but loose trying to to get out of the way......

First time ever and I mean ever had I seen RCMP Officers and Ottawa Police Forces in person carrying automatic weapons. This just doesn't happen in Canada!!! Just wow! School were under lock-down stranding my wife in classes with a bunch of excited and unknowing children for almost 4 hours, daughter stuck on 22nd floor of her own Government Office Building with no place to go etc.....

Even though I still support peace in every way possible, this was pretty scary for the most part and finally got escorted out of our building and put on city buses to get us home a few hours ago.

In Canada when our famous "Tim Horton's" coffee shops close down in the center core? we are indeed in trouble??? LOL!

Going to work form home tomorrow..............hehe!

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/22/2014 9:29:55 PM   
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Wanted to add:

All our vending machines were out of food, even the crappy chips and stale chocolate bars...........Thank goodness I brought a lunch today for one of those rare times.

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/22/2014 9:39:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a niece that ended up locked down in Ottawa at her university as well.

Naturally my mother had to phone and blather on about how she's frightened.

It's nearly embarrassing to be honest. But I have to remember, we have had one of our troops at the memorial shot and I hear he died of the injury. But still, I suspect we might be over reacting. Then again, if they had made it into our government spaces, well that sure would have mattered.

I can see a LOT of changes on procedure coming out of this for Ottawa shortly.

But I am not comfortable labeling this some sort of 9/11. Nope, I sat through that horrible experience. I was never closer than a TV screen, and it still bothers me. Using 9/11 as a catch phrase is wrong. It diminishes the true horror that was done on that day.

I don't think much would be getting done at your office radic.

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/22/2014 9:57:32 PM   
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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/22/2014 10:02:54 PM   
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Yep labeling it 911 is way off the charts! Just saying what radio stations and talk shows were calling it. I too remember being stuck in Gander Newfoundland on 9-11, even though I am Canadian, it felt so far away from home and especially seeing all those Americans desperate for news is something I will never forget.

I just have never seen this city in such turmoil and I have lived here since 1979. I am on the third floor of our office building and look directly on the Peace Tower every day, I will never look at it the same way again.

We here in Ottawa can walk right up to Parliament building and stand on the door steps without ever being checked or looked at by Security, and I have done many a Protest on the front lawns there, guess from now on changes will be made, thus restricting our Liberty. In a way the Terrorists have won.............In the mean time my poor wife is still stuck at school as some parents have not been able to pick up their kids yet as the traffic situation getting out of downtown is horrendous.

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/22/2014 10:12:36 PM   
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If our politicians feel they are in danger we will see some real security instead of the pretend
stuff we have now. Apologies to those who have to put up with this and I feel terrible about the
loss of life but Ottawa is a place I have always seen as Disneyland North. Especially when I lived there.

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/22/2014 10:47:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		My take on this is the media is having a frenzy,of course CNN has said the suspect is a Islam convert and has been "radicalized".We had another case a few days ago of another "radicalized" recent convert running over 2 cdn soldiers.My neighbour who is Muslim is sitting with me now drinking some beers watching the news,and he is pissed/worried as these idiots give his religion a bad name.Its as usual media hype.

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/22/2014 11:18:04 PM   
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My take on this is the media is having a frenzy,of course CNN has said the suspect is a Islam convert and has been "radicalized".We had another case a few days ago of another "radicalized" recent convert running over 2 cdn soldiers.My neighbour who is Muslim is sitting with me now drinking some beers watching the news,and he is pissed/worried as these idiots give his religion a bad name.Its as usual media hype.

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Of course it can not possibly be Radical Muslims. right?

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/22/2014 11:21:21 PM   
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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/22/2014 11:37:32 PM   
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I don't get it,what are you saying


Me either.

They cancelled the NHL game!

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/22/2014 11:56:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		What?So its a joke to you that a canadain soldier and his killer lost his life?This is not a laughing matter.What a jerk statmement


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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/23/2014 12:04:32 AM   
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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/23/2014 1:25:06 AM   
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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/23/2014 2:36:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is no country immune to Terrorist spite? Canada was one of the last countries I would have expected to be hit by terrorists.

I hope this incident doesn't result in the kind of overreaction and erosion of rights that we saw here in the US after 9/11 :(

Time to stand tall and refuse to live in fear!

Go Canada!

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/23/2014 2:40:06 AM   
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Yep labeling it 911 is way off the charts! Just saying what radio stations and talk shows were calling it. I too remember being stuck in Gander Newfoundland on 9-11, even though I am Canadian, it felt so far away from home and especially seeing all those Americans desperate for news is something I will never forget.

I just have never seen this city in such turmoil and I have lived here since 1979. I am on the third floor of our office building and look directly on the Peace Tower every day, I will never look at it the same way again.

We here in Ottawa can walk right up to Parliament building and stand on the door steps without ever being checked or looked at by Security, and I have done many a Protest on the front lawns there, guess from now on changes will be made, thus restricting our Liberty. In a way the Terrorists have won.............In the mean time my poor wife is still stuck at school as some parents have not been able to pick up their kids yet as the traffic situation getting out of downtown is horrendous.


I really hope that doesn't happen :( You are right, when people live in fear and freedom is willingly surrendered in the name of safety, the terrorists have won... the very sad truth.

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/23/2014 3:52:01 AM   
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What irks me is apparently they aren't even allowed bullets for their weapons when acting in that duty.

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/23/2014 4:03:27 AM   
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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/23/2014 4:37:16 AM   
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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/23/2014 1:08:25 PM   
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My thoughts are with the families.

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/23/2014 2:30:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just now I just feel a great sadness, and I feel old and tired, and a I do not know how to express myself.

I always thought that the world gets better for each year that goes by... but not any more. It has been replaced by a sadness.

I am truly sorry about the events that took place in Ottawa but I do not find the words that I want to say.

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/23/2014 3:35:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		In so many ways, Canada doesn't have a lot of freedoms the US citizenry commonly take for granted, but that is often a police procedural thing. But then again, it is also harder for terrorists to operate in Canada paradoxically because they can't use a lot of the easily abusable rights commonly considered pillars in the US.

Yet we still enjoy a lot of 'freedoms' which are basically not available in the US.

But easily blown out of proportions moments are not unique to the US sadly, and as horrible as this day was to the soldier's family, it still isn't on par with much greater tragedies. It should be remembered though, more than just Americans died on 9/11.

I don't fret over news items when I walk down the street of my hometown though. But my nation's capital is still MY nation's capital. My family have been wanting me to move there to be with them, but I prefer real Canada, which is actually not ideally represented by our 10 largest cities. For the most part, our 10 largest cities are better thought of as interfaces with the rest of the planet. It's sadly also where all the troubles of the rest of the planet exist in Canada.

Today I will walk to the mall, and the cares of the world will not matter. Well not here in small town no where Central Ontario. But we will e talking about Ottawa and the shooting. We just won't be living in fear as a result of it. It's more likely, the people responsible should be looking over their shoulders though. Canada likes to send Peacekeepers, we even invented the idea of Peacekeeping. But, as we have shown nasty people over the years, we're not afraid to go and root them out and eliminate them either. Most Canadians prefer to keep the fighting on the ice, but, we will take the chance to go abroad for a good fight too.


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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/23/2014 7:39:03 PM   
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Is no country immune to Terrorist spite? Canada was one of the last countries I would have expected to be hit by terrorists.


Not to deny the horror of having a soldier killed and the seat of government attacked, but I think the wonder is on the other side-- why it took so long. The jihadis have made clear that any nation sending troops into either Afghanistan or Iraq is a target. And Canada's generous immigration policies, like it or not, make it easier for those wishing harm to enter the country.

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/23/2014 8:53:09 PM   
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All 11 million commuters.

took about 6 hours. no lock downs, except in the financial district and probably the government buildings. Everyone else just went home. We were all trudging over the bridges on the Thames in out thousands.

In some ways it wasn't a very unusual feeling. We had had the IRA bombings only quite recently. Quite familiar.

Sympathies for Canada. And also congratulations. Handled the situation really well.

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/23/2014 8:55:37 PM   
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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/24/2014 1:12:44 AM   
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Jihadi-ness was pretty sketchy. He had a long criminal history across the country.
Hopefully this doesn't cause a stampede into stupidness like we have seen elsewhere.
The cops were pretty jumpy today.
I really don't like this thing about soldiers not wearing their uniforms...it seems like a typical Ottawa response.
I notice Geraldo Rivera is parading around the old canard about terrorist attacks
on USA! originating in Canada. I would trade a bus load of Geraldos for one Cpl. Nathan Cirillo.


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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/24/2014 3:00:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know but when it happens to you and yours, it matters not if it is 1 person or 3000 people. I remember during the Boson Bombing, my cousins live there and one has run in it many times, and the other one told me he was going to go down and watch. So, when I saw it, I was trying to call my cousins, because really they are like my brothers at this point, and I could not get in touch with them.

They eventually were all right, but I was very concerned. The one that runs in it decided a couple of years ago his knees were too bad to run marathons anymore and he didn't even go. I got in touch with my other cousin, and he really is like a brother to me, we get together all the time, and he said, "I was there, but I must have left before it all happened, because I saw it on the news in a bar close by."

So, I just mean I'm sorry for the soldier and his family. And I'm glad it wasn't worse. Without all the other stuff that we focus on.

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/24/2014 2:43:42 PM   
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As long as we have elements (whether elected or their constituents) that continue to stick their heads in the sand on these rabid scumbags continuing to prosecute them when apprehended as criminals the western world will be plagued by this an more of the same.

I have long subscribed to the theories of William Tecumseh Sherman regarding prosecuting war. This one in particular.

“You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out."




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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/24/2014 4:22:18 PM   
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My take on this is the media is having a frenzy,of course CNN has said the suspect is a Islam convert and has been "radicalized".We had another case a few days ago of another "radicalized" recent convert running over 2 cdn soldiers.My neighbour who is Muslim is sitting with me now drinking some beers watching the news,and he is pissed/worried as these idiots give his religion a bad name.Its as usual media hype.



Your neighbor will then be in favor of a crack down on those involved mosque or groups in Canada that hold extremist views. do you think he will speak out publicly against the extremist views? There is a need for a movement of Muslims that will protest publicly against all this extremism.

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/24/2014 7:49:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		All I know is most if not all people of that religion act the same as any other citizen here,though they keep the drinking of alcohol secret from their family and the mosque.He also agree's with me that most of the people who are "radicalized" are all mentally ill.He also claims ISIS are a great bunch of guys and all the news media reporting beheadings of people not converting is false.

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RE: What a day in the city of Ottawa - 10/24/2014 8:44:31 PM   
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