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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 3:05:18 PM   
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I don't know in detail which measures will be enforced. As far as I know it will only affect the new accounts.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 4:15:47 PM   
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It's better not to reveal anything. And to give no feedback -- just have actions silently fail, no error messages! -- leaving the spammers as clueless as possible.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 4:26:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: berto


It's better not to reveal anything. And to give no feedback -- just have actions silently fail, no error messages! -- leaving the spammers as clueless as possible.


Spammers are pretty clueless in many ways already but I agree leaving them to feel a little frustrated for a change is a good thing. Let the spammers see what it's like to live in the world they create for all of us.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 4:28:52 PM   
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It's better not to reveal anything. And to give no feedback -- just have actions silently fail, no error messages! -- leaving the spammers as clueless as possible.

It might be better for actions that just affect spammers but do remember that there are those that actually want to use the forum who are not spammers. And we do want new forum members to feel welcome here. So some of the actions might need to be revealed to avoid confusion or resentment.

But what do I know.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 4:41:07 PM   
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well as long as it gets sorted in the end

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 5:27:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

quote:

ORIGINAL: berto

It's better not to reveal anything. And to give no feedback -- just have actions silently fail, no error messages! -- leaving the spammers as clueless as possible.

It might be better for actions that just affect spammers but do remember that there are those that actually want to use the forum who are not spammers. And we do want new forum members to feel welcome here. So some of the actions might need to be revealed to avoid confusion or resentment.

But what do I know.

If a spammer tries to register under the name "xxxsextoys" (or "viagra*" or "workathome*" or ...), just let the account registration fail silently, no error message, no feedback whatsoever.

If "xxxsextoys" is a legitimate account name by a legitimate user , let him (or her!) contact the forum administrator via e-mail.

And so on. There are plenty of suspicious, blacklist-worthy keywords where, in all likelihood, it is a spammer, or a spam message subject.

But especially for deep probing attacks, attempts at direct access to non-public-facing web pages and/or forum subroutines -- common spam attack vectors, look at the web logs! -- identify such accesses, record the account name and accessing IP address, add them to the blacklist(s), just silently fail, give no feedback whatsoever, wherever possible. (I further suggest renaming and obfuscating the interior, non-public web pages and forum subroutines -- which spammers often attempt to attack directly.)

Before I gave up -- wasn't worth any trouble at all, my forum activity is so low-volume -- I was able cut down spam new account registrations, those able to bypass my defense mechanisms, from a dozen or two per day down to just 2 or 3 per month. (I could then analyze the 2 or 3 per month to see where they defeated my defenses, and extend the blacklist(s) and/or tweak the defense code. But in the end, I just decided it wasn't at all worth it.)

There are ways to do this without inconveniencing legitimate members. And if applied to new members only, without inconveniencing old members at all.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 6:00:58 PM   
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Thank you for the explanation.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 7:41:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: berto

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If "xxxsextoys" is a legitimate account name by a legitimate user , let him (or her!) contact the forum administrator via e-mail.


A name warspite or Orm would use.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 7:49:15 PM   
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I told you, you should have banned me for life.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 7:54:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: berto

If "xxxsextoys" is a legitimate account name by a legitimate user , let him (or her!) contact the forum administrator via e-mail.


A name warspite or Orm would use.

As if I would change mine.

< Message edited by Orm -- 10/29/2014 8:56:03 PM >


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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 7:57:04 PM   
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I told you, you should have banned me for life.

You might soon get banned from saying that.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 8:36:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

I told you, you should have banned me for life.

You might soon get banned from saying that.

As I was saying...I spent a week in Stockholm at 17...and got lost in the old city a block from my hotel. Fortunately, a local lovely was happy to show me the way.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 8:52:38 PM   
Orm


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

I told you, you should have banned me for life.

You might soon get banned from saying that.

As I was saying...I spent a week in Stockholm at 17...and got lost in the old city a block from my hotel. Fortunately, a local lovely was happy to show me the way.

So you were not here during the winter then.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 8:59:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

I told you, you should have banned me for life.

You might soon get banned from saying that.

As I was saying...I spent a week in Stockholm at 17...and got lost in the old city a block from my hotel. Fortunately, a local lovely was happy to show me the way.

So you were not here during the winter then.


Why are you encouraging him? Aurelian banned this vile creature.


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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 9:05:45 PM   
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Why are you encouraging him? Aurelian banned this vile creature.


That has been overturned.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 9:44:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: parusski


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

I told you, you should have banned me for life.

You might soon get banned from saying that.

As I was saying...I spent a week in Stockholm at 17...and got lost in the old city a block from my hotel. Fortunately, a local lovely was happy to show me the way.

So you were not here during the winter then.


Why are you encouraging him? Aurelian banned this vile creature.



Actually no....... I was responding to Orm's "So, Steiner, Zorch should not only be allowed to post. He should be ordered to post!"



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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 9:46:30 PM   
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Why are you encouraging him? Aurelian banned this vile creature.


That has been overturned.


*No one* can overturn the Emperor's command upon pain of execution. :)

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 9:48:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aurelian


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


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ORIGINAL: parusski

Why are you encouraging him? Aurelian banned this vile creature.


That has been overturned.


*No one* can overturn the Emperor's command upon pain of execution. :)


Off with the head of Zorch.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 9:51:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


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ORIGINAL: parusski

Why are you encouraging him? Aurelian banned this vile creature.


That has been overturned.


*No one* can overturn the Emperor's command upon pain of execution. :)

I am sorry, My Lord. I expressed myself carelessly. I was referring to the command by Steiner and trying to say that his command had been overturned by My Lords command.


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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 10:01:20 PM   
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ORM
I thought political stuff was forbidden on this forum. Maybe you (pelton) should change your signature?


This was from other locked thread. Started by Pelton. Not that he needs someone to defend him but still...

Pelton is a very active contributor in the WitE forum. He's also written many AARs (and that's very useful for the community of players).

He is also the most notorious Axis Fanboy and his "rants" were er... legendary

But still, there's nothing wrong with his signature. He is a hardcore commander of the doomed Wehrmacht, so a Wehrmacht video is quite understandable I mean, nothing nazi etc. etc.

Cheers

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 10:07:10 PM   
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quote:

ORM
I thought political stuff was forbidden on this forum. Maybe you (pelton) should change your signature?


This was from other locked thread. Started by Pelton. Not that he needs someone to defend him but still...

Pelton is a very active contributor in the WitE forum. He's also written many AARs (and that's very useful for the community of players).

He is also the most notorious Axis Fanboy and his "rants" were er... legendary

But still, there's nothing wrong with his signature. He is a hardcore commander of the doomed Wehrmacht, so a Wehrmacht video is quite understandable I mean, nothing nazi etc. etc.

Cheers

I am sorry about that comment. It was uncalled for.

It was the post in itself that I was thinking of and I can't go back and change it. I was tired when I posted it and I should learn not to post when tired.


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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 10:15:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zorch


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

I told you, you should have banned me for life.

You might soon get banned from saying that.

As I was saying...I spent a week in Stockholm at 17...and got lost in the old city a block from my hotel. Fortunately, a local lovely was happy to show me the way.
warspite1

What the hell are you doing here??? You are banned until Saturday.


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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/29/2014 11:25:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aurelian


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


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ORIGINAL: parusski

Why are you encouraging him? Aurelian banned this vile creature.


That has been overturned.


*No one* can overturn the Emperor's command upon pain of execution. :)

I am sorry, My Lord. I expressed myself carelessly. I was referring to the command by Steiner and trying to say that his command had been overturned by My Lords command.



Ahhh, OK then. We could use a new commander for the Praetorian Guard. Interested?

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/30/2014 1:41:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

I told you, you should have banned me for life.

You might soon get banned from saying that.

As I was saying...I spent a week in Stockholm at 17...and got lost in the old city a block from my hotel. Fortunately, a local lovely was happy to show me the way.
warspite1

What the hell are you doing here??? You are banned until Saturday.


Warspite old chap, surely you remember the Spam Suspension Reset provision? Page 23, para 2, section ii clearly states 'in the event of spam attack, all temporary suspensions are rescinded, except those for users of the Dutch persuasion, or those who have spent time in Sweden while a legal adult.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/30/2014 1:43:30 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aurelian


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: parusski

Why are you encouraging him? Aurelian banned this vile creature.


That has been overturned.


*No one* can overturn the Emperor's command upon pain of execution. :)


Off with the head of Zorch.

Let's not be hasty here. My head is my second favorite organ.

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RE: Spam extraordinaire - 10/30/2014 1:57:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

I told you, you should have banned me for life.

You might soon get banned from saying that.

As I was saying...I spent a week in Stockholm at 17...and got lost in the old city a block from my hotel. Fortunately, a local lovely was happy to show me the way.

So you were not here during the winter then.

It was high summer - late July. The food and hospitality were excellent.

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