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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/13/2016 7:43:07 AM   
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Near Taberfane, sub Guardfish spots a big xAP task force, fires on a destroyer, and misses.

A bit west of there, sub Seal does the exact same thing.

Dobo is bombarded by 4 cruisers. Damage is very light.

Bettys then bomb the troops at Dobo. Dobo is obviously getting the same treatment that Taberfane did. The Sallys come in next. Damage is light.

At Buna, today was my big attack day. Lots of sweeps by my newest aircraft, then B-17s and B-24s pummel the airfield. Well, it didn't go that way.

In the morning, the bombers flew, and in many fragments. A very heavy CAP was waiting. I can't be sure how much of it was based at Buna, and how much was ranged CAP from Lae. The first strike ran up against 2 Zero groups, 2 Oscar groups, and a Tojo group. All in all, lots of bombers were lost. The airfield did get moderately damaged, just from the sheer number of planes, and that most of the B-24s flew late and most of the fighers had landed.


I sent B-26s and B-25s to Port Moresby, and they encountered ranged CAP from Buna. One Zero group and one Tojo group. A few planes were lost.

In the afternoon, my P-40K group at Milne Bay decided to sweep Buna. The CAP was less by then, but the Warhawks still lost twice as many planes as the Oscars downed. What happened to the 2 Corsair and P-38 groups? None of the 4 groups flew at all. The base was not overloaded. Just a fluke I guess.

About as bad a day as I could imagine for committing so many bombers and good fighters on one target. Total losses were 16 B-17s, 4 B-24s, 7 P-40Ks, 4 B-26s, and 2 B-25s. The enemy lost 12 Tojos, 8 Oscars, and 6 Zeros.

Dobo is then invaded, starting during the daylight. Beach losses for the enemy are much higher than for the troops that landed at Taberfane. The 8th Infantry Division was obviously not as prepped for Dobo. When the obligatory Allied bombardment attack occurred, combat values are about even. But I realize that the landing started during the daylight, and most of the division probably hasn't landed yet. I do have level 1 forts here, and it's about to go to 2, if I can avoid base damage one more day. A Brit sub had dropped some mines at Dobo, but none were hit.

For today, I recommit the 2 Corsair units and the 2 P-38 units, but they fly to Lae for the first time. We'll see what happens.

I sent some Beaufighters to Gove, which just became a level 2 airfield. Merauke just became level 3. 4 Fletcher class destroyers go to Merauke.

The many task forces headed to Buna, Oro Bay, and Port Moresby continue north. Ships join from Townsville. It's going to be big, it's going to be fun, but the outcome is to be determined.

First recons of the inland bases between Port Moresby and Buna show 2 units at both Kokoda and Dobadura. Earlier there was a para unit at one of them. Both are still dot bases. I have paras prepped for both, with planes ready to go, should I sense an opportunity to use them.

I will land at Buna before Port Moresby, hoping to get some of these units into motion. All the better to drop on them in movement mode.

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/13/2016 4:24:58 PM   
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More enemy lands at Dobo.

Near the eastern tip of Timor, sub Guardfish spots xAP Taizan Maru on fire and with heavy damage, escorted by destroyer Hokaze. They are headed to Koepang most likely. Guardfish fires on the destroyer and misses.

Near the Wessel Islands southeast of Darwin, sub Sturgeon fires on I-166 and misses.

My big sweep of Lae does occur. 3 squadrons of Corsairs and 2 squadrons of P-38s sweep. Lae's CAP is 2 types of Zeros and 2 types of Oscars. The fight is moderately successful. The small squadron size of the Corsairs, and going in individually, hurts. Enemy losses are 15 Zeros and 11 Oscars. US losses are 12 F4Us and 5 P38s. OK but not outstanding. But I'm sure the new planes got the enemy's attention. It appears that the Tojos moved from Buna to Lae after this.

I had moved a Beaufighter group to Gove hoping to catch shipping west of Taberfane. Well, that shipping dissapeared, and the group flew all the way to Dobo, where it found ranged CAP, with 2 Zero groups and 2 Oscar groups. Most of the bombers were lost. One attacked an AK but missed. They go back to Conclurry to fill back out.

The forced Allied bombardment at Dobo now shows combat Japanese combat value of 291 and Allied at 102. Dobo did get to level 2 forts today, which helps a little. Attacking Dobo is the 8th Infantry Division and the 8th Ind Engineer Regiment. Defending is the US 24th (Sep) Infantry Regiment.

I am running 4 Fletcher class destroyers from Merauke to Dobo at full speed. That is maximum range. If the stars align, they make it there at night, engage, and run away a good distance. This isn't a bombardment, but missions like this rarely go as planned. It would be nice to catch some transports still at Dobo.




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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/13/2016 10:14:35 PM   
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We'd planned another set of turns tonight, but my opponent Walker said that there was clearly a lot of movement on the map, and that he needed more time for the turn.

There's no doubt that he now sees the huge armada approaching Milne Bay. He has 2 days to react, if he guesses correctly that I'm going to Buna. There's just no way to sneak in an invasion of this size, unless I just left lots of transport shipping at Milne Bay doing nothing, then all of a sudden launched from there. No way that would work. Milne Bay is way too vulnerable.

So what's it going to be? A huge success, bagging multiple enemy divisions? A huge failure, with the US and Brit fleets mauled? Or just a stalemate on the ground after landing?

I don't know. Could be any of these. If KB does show up, it won't be risked close to Buna. It will sit up past Umboi Island, within bomber range of Buna but out of my carrier range, unless I got really aggressive with mine.


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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/14/2016 3:07:28 AM   
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quote:

If KB does show up, it won't be risked close to Buna. It will sit up past Umboi Island, within bomber range of Buna but out of my carrier range...


This does sound like Walker's usual tactic from earlier engagements in this area. If so ... can you do anything about it?

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/14/2016 3:17:51 AM   
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It would probably be foolish to send my carriers north of Milne Bay with his airfields operational. I can say that I have enough subs in the area to blanket just about every hex that he could put carriers. I'm definitely flooding the zone. Maybe I can get lucky again.

I won't hesitate to go after him if I think the fight approaches an even fight, or better, for me. I just don't see that happening the way KB usually sits right by a big airfield and uses its CAP.

I do have to keep in mind my objectives though, and that's to land at Buna, Oro Bay, and Port Moresby, and not lose the troops while still loaded and to get most of the shipping home safely.

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/15/2016 7:00:18 AM   
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An interesting day. The next two days will be very tense.

More enemy lands at Dobo.

South of Milne Bay, there are many enemy sub sightings and ASW attacks. Probably multiple attacks on the same boats, so I won't list names, as they are probably wrong anyhow. Many Allied ships are identified, including Brit battleships, LSTs, US battleships, and my AKEs that I had hoped to sneak into Milne Bay's port. 2 enemy subs are probable sinkings. Most subs aren't able to fire torpedoes. The ones that did targeted destroyers and missed.

South of Dobo, my 4 Fletcher class destroyers run over a sub and badly damage it in the shallow waters. The ships then make it do Dobo at night, and engage destroyers Urakaze and Tanikaze. The fight is not conclusive, but Tanikaze is left burning badly. Urakaze and O'Bannon take one hit each, taking minor damage.

Still at Dobo, the Fletchers then find PB Yahonui Maru and SC Ch 26, and pummel them mercilessly, with 18 and 14 hits each, sinking both ships. Lots of ammo is used.

Then, still at Dobo, the Fletchers find cruiser Myoko and 5 destroyers. The fight is not short, but both sides get only 1 hit. Isonami is set on fire, and destroyer Fletcher is hit once by the cruiser, doing lots of damage and setting the ship on fire. Fletcher's damage is 58 SYS, 34/13 FLOT, 15 ENG, and 22 FIRES. It is 5 hexes from Merauke, and won't quite make it to port tomorrow unless some damage is repaired overnight and it can make a little more speed. It should survive though. All US destroyers took damage from the high speed run both ways, and will go to Sydney for repairs. It was a good run though. Most importantly, it showed that the area is within my reach, and that I'm willing to attack. When I've done similar things earlier in the war, the benefits of a more defensive enemy far outweighed the actual damage that I did. I hope that this results in the same.

During the day, there was more sub activity. The damaged Fletcher was fired upon by I-16, but torpedoes missed. Most activity was by Milne Bay again, and some minor damage was done to a few subs.

My troops at Dobo were bombed again by about 50 Sallys.

18 SBDs bombed the 21 Division/B at Woodlark Island. I wanted to show new attention here with so many ships arriving at Milne Bay. I'm not going to Woodlark now though.

And my mistake for the day was leaving a P-38 group on sweep orders to Lae. About 8 went, 4 didn't return. About 6 enemy planes were downed. Enemy CAP was over 60 planes, but no Tojos.

The enemy did a bombardment attack at Dobo, doing no damage.

The next turn will have my CVEs turn northwest and head toward Port Moresby, escorting the invasion convoy for there. My fleet carriers will move west of Milne Bay and range CAP. Lots of task forces go to Milne Bay. A destroyer group goes northwest of Milne Bay, along with a cruiser group. Another destroyer group goes northeast of Milne Bay. I do see an enemy cruiser task force at Lae. If they get aggressive, I hope to fend them off outside of Milne Bay. Way too much valuable shipping at the base itself.

Air-wise, carrier bombers that don't fly a naval strike will bomb Port Moresby. I'm ignoring Buna for today. Tomorrow all attention will be at Buna and Oro Bay, and that will be when I invade those bases, as well as Port Moresby.




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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/15/2016 7:17:35 PM   
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No sign of his carriers reacting out of the DEI yet? Tense situation for sure - they could reach your area with a sprint.

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/16/2016 7:54:29 AM   
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A very good day in the air for the Allies.

First, more enemy lands at Dobo.

Near Merauke, I-32 fires on 2 of the Fletcher class destroyers moving to Townsville. Misses.

Dobo is bombarded by cruiser Myoko and 5 destroyers. Damage is light but I'm sure that disruption is the objective.

Near Milne Bay, an ASW task force of DEs finds I-11 and gets 2 good depth charge hits.

O21 then fires on the Myoko task force heading west from Dobo. Misses a destroyer and takes some damage, and will now return to base.

The destroyer Fletcher makes it into Merauke's port, where it will repair some FLOT damage before heading to Australia.

P40K's sweep Munda, finding weak ranged CAP from Shortlands. About 8 Zeros are downed, losing 2 P40s.

I had moved 2 destroyer groups just northwest and just northeast of Milne Bay, to hopefully catch any aggressive ship moves to Milne Bay. It caught something else, thanks to the ranged CAP from Milne Bay and surrounding islands.

Nells and Bettys, escorted by Oscars, Zeros and Tojos, fly from Rabaul and attack the destroyer group just northeast of Milne Bay. About 40 bombers, escorted by about 50 fighters. On ranged CAP are about 70 fighters, a mix of Kittyhawks, Spits, P-38s, P-40Ks, and F4us, all at different altitudes. It's not exactly the Marianas turkey shoot, but the fight goes very well for the Allies. Total losses in this fight are 20 Nells, 18 Bettys, 13 Tojos, 7 Oscars. 7 Zeros are lost on the day, most at Munda though. I lose 3 P-40Ks (2 at Munda I think). The bombers that did make it to the destroyers missed with all torpedoes.

Back at Dobo, the daily Sally bombing occurs.

Some B-25s and B-26s bomb Port Moresby. No CAP. Airfield shows 20 damage. Buna is still over 60.

B-25s bomb troops at Oro Bay, and find that the 2 units are the 86th Naval Guard unit, and the 56th construction unit.

Then my carriers launch on Port Moresby, and I get an incredibly coordinated raid of 54 fighters and 180 SBDs in one strike. The airfield and troops are bombed. If only I can get a carrier strike raid this coordinated!

Finally at Dobo, the enemy attacks, gets a perfect 2-1 attack with 302 to 151 AV, and reduces the forts to 1. The enemy takes 367 casualties, I take 240. The end will come quickly here too.

With SigInt, I learn that the 48th Division is headed to Koepang on Timor. Could be going there or going further to Darwin, or countering me somewhere like Gove. We'll see.

As for today, it's one of those huge turns that take many weeks to build up for. Port Moresby, Buna, and Oro Bay will all be invaded. Carriers will move adjacent to Port Moresby, on the coast, and range CAP all invasion targets. Some LR CAP will be used too. Fighters from Milne Bay and Ferguson will sweep Lae. Lae will hopefully have been successfully bombarded during the night. Buna will be bombarded also. Other combat task forces will guard the invasion hexes. Medium bombers will hit the troops at Buna. Mines will be laid at Finshafen. A daring move by 2 DMs will take place, running full speed to the hex next to Rabaul to drop mines.

The enemy cruiser task force that was at Lae moved north to Hansa Bay. If they come back, maybe they'll find the mines at Finschafen.

B-17s and B-24s will bomb Lae's airfield. One group of B-24s will hit Hansa Bay's airfield. If the night bombardment of Lae damages a bunch of planes, maybe my bombers will destroy more.

It's going to be a big day.






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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/16/2016 7:30:01 PM   
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I've watched the replay, but don't have the turn yet. I should get the turn tonight or tomorrow.

The landings actually went as planned. BC Repulse and friends had a very successful bombardment of Lae, destroying and damaging many planes. When the sweeps and bombers arrived during the day, only a dozen Tojos remained on CAP. The bombers did a great job taking out many more planes.

Port Moresby, Buna, and Oro Bay were all invaded. There was no interference. My minesweepers at Buna did not detect mines during the night, but did during the day. The field was small, but one DMS hit a mine and sank. Some mines remain.

Bettys from Rabaul did fly, without escort, and hit an ASW task force that I had patrolling northeast of Milne Bay a couple of hexes. Beyond my ranged CAP. 2 AMs were sunk.

My carrier planes sank a tiny minesweeper at Umboi Island.

On the down side, Dobo was lost an my US infantry regiment, an air support unit, and engineer unit were lost. My regiment that was at Taberfane is in the jungle, adjacent to Taberfane and Dobo. The cost was high and came sooner than I expected, but these troops served there purpose.

Port Moresby and Buna will still be tough fights on the ground.

I'll give more details when I have the turn and combat report listing.

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/16/2016 7:53:49 PM   
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quote:

The landings actually went as planned.


Don't act so surprised. Heh. Anyway, looks like you got off to a good start, but the question is if and when you can close the deal at Buna and Moresby, both of which I am assuming are pretty well defended. Good luck!

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/17/2016 5:08:13 PM   
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Day 1 for the invasions goes well.

At Buna, BB Revenge and company bombarded and did well. There were still a couple of leftover planes on the ground. Casualties over 500.

Then Lae was bombarded by BC Repulse and friends. Huge numbers of damaged planes, and plenty of destroyed ones. Oscars, Zeros, and Tojos. The airbase was badly damaged.

Port Moresby, Oro Bay, and Buna are then amphibiously invaded. No enemy interference.

Some US ASW activity east of New Guinea.

During the day, fighters sweep Lae and bombers bomb the airfield. More planes destroyed.

Total air losses for the day are 21 Zeros(11 ground), 22 Oscars(20 ground), 5 Tojos(2 ground), 3 Bettys(1 ground), while I lost 4 F4F-4s, 4 P-38s, and 3 B-24s.

Tiny enemy AMc sunk by carrier bombers near Umboi Island.

And, as I said, Dobo was lost.

Buna
Enemy units at Buna include:
9th Division
87 Naval Guard
Kure 5th SNLF
III/66th Naval Guard
19th Army HQ
2nd Area Army HQ
4 air support units
2 engineer units

Attacking will be:
2nd US Marine Divsion
3rd US Marine Divisons
US 43rd Infantry Division
19th Australian Bde
1st Tank Bn
2/8 Armored Rgt
Australian II Corp HQ
1 Marine Amphibious Corp HQ
4th Australian Light AA Rgt

Port Moresby
Enemy troops at Port Moresby:
1st Infantry Division
18th Army HQ
27th Ind Engineer Regiment
32 Special Base Force
2 air support units
1 construction battalion

Allied forces:
US 1st Marine Division
US 24th Infantry Division
NG Vol Rifles Bn
2nd USMC Tank Bn
193rd Tank Bn
New Guinea Force HQ
70th Cst AA Rgt
1st RAA Med Arty Regiment
(Southwest HQ in Australia but in range of PM, and fully prepped)

Oro Bay
Enemy troops:
86th Naval Guard
56th Construction Company

Allied troops:
2nd Australian Brigade
1st RAA Jungle FA Rgt
15th Marine Def Bn
3/532 Boat and Shore Engr Bn
(an armored unit is moving into this hex in about 5 days, having made the trek from Milne Bay)


The AKEs that I moved into Milne Bay are already rearming all combat ships, including battleships. This, I think, will be the key in taking Buna. Constant naval bombardments.

My expectations are that Oro Bay will fall quickly. Followup forces await at Milne Bay on ships for Oro Bay, and for Buna. Buna and Port Moresby will take some time.

Today, I split off all of the good APs that are overdue to upgrade. Most are at Buna, and are mostly unloaded. They will finish unloading today and then return to Australia for upgrades. Everything else continues to unload, with combat shipping guarding and friendly fighters overhead.

If (or maybe when) KB shows up, it will stay north/northeast of Umboi Island to be within range of Buna but as far away as possible.

The straits south of Rabaul have been mined, as has Finschfen, next to Lae.

Today I bomb Lae again, and Finschafen, with heavy bombers. Mediums hit Oro Bay troops and I deliberate attack there.


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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/18/2016 2:05:26 PM   
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Multiple well coordinated amphib operations are very hard to pull off and it sounds like you are off to a promising start. He will have to react quickly before you recover from and disruption on landing, with the KB to sink your resupply missions which you cite is the key to wearing down his troops at Buna. Look forward to the coming attractions or is that attritions?

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/18/2016 9:42:35 PM   
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A very busy day. My opponent commented on the many "amphibious task force unloading" displays in the replay. There were even more today, since I had split several of the big task forces to be able to get the more valuable APs out as soon as possible, since they unloaded the fastest. I really wanted to get them out of harm's way.

It goes without saying that unloading continued at Buna, Oro Bay, and Port Moresby. There was no interference at any, again. But the storm clouds are gathering.

There are still mines at Buna. The fields here and at Port Moresby are more sizable than I thought. 2 DMSs continue to clear Buna. Only an AM is at Port Moresby, and this isn't sufficient.

Near Hollandia, north of Manus, sub Pollack spots a big battleship task force, with Ise, Kongo, and Musashi, with cruiser Haguro, CS Chitose, and 7 destroyers. This looks like a carrier task force to me, just without spotting the carrier(s). I do believe that the enemy has been putting multiple battleships in carrier task forces to help absorb bombs. Which is a wise strategy, one that can make the difference in an evenly matched carrier battle.

Regardless of whether there are carriers here, this task force went to Manus, and is now in striking range of Buna.

Near Normanby Island, by Milne Bay, my subchasers track I-169 but aren't able to hit it decisively.

Near Kavieng, sub Sculpin tracks a cruiser task force, led by CA Mogami, fires on Magami, but misses. I believe that this task force went to Rabaul.

West of Taberfane, sub Seal fires on destroyer Hibiki, in a small task force with a couple of light cruisers. 4 torpedoes miss.

Near Horn Island, Fletcher class destroyer O'Bannon is escorting badly damaged destroyer Fletcher. O'Bannon spots I-164 in the shallow water here, and gets one solid hit with a depth charge.

Battleship Ramilles and escorts bombard Oro Bay during the night. Good damage on the troops, little damage to the port.

Near Deboyne Island, I-11 spots several APDs that just unloaded, but no engagement occurs.

These APDs are targeted by Bettys from Rabaul, escorted by Zeros. Strong ranged CAP protects the ships, downing a bunch of Zeros and Bettys. 8 Bettys launch torpedoes but none hit.

With Taberfane and Dobo both recaptured by the Japanese, the enemy has moved on to concentrate on Timoeka on the western New Guinea coast, east of Dobo. Bettys and Lilys hit the troops. It's not jungle here. (Have to check, might be rough terrain, not sure) Supply has been critical here all along for the Allies, as my invasion shipping couldn't stay long enough. I've been ferrying in supply on sub Argonaut and using big seaplanes to bring in some also. I'm sure that a counter-invasion is coming here also.

My one big mistake for today was screwing up the plotting for a 3 ship task force of Fletcher destroyers. They were at Milne Bay, and I gave them an ASW mission for the day, wanting them to move out northeast toward Rabaul during the night, looking for subs, then return. Something went wrong and they decided to stay out at sea, too close to Rabaul. Kates and Vals attacked, with a large number of escorts. I had no CAP out here. I was very fortunate that all torpedoes missed, and the only damage was a bomb hit on Taylor and DeHaven. Chevalier was not hit. This task force will retire to Brisbane for repairs. Damage is not high, but enough to warrant repairs.

At Timoeka, Lilys then hit the troops.

Isolated in the jungle by Taberfane and Dobo, my troops are bombed by Sallys.

I swept Lae and Finschafen today with F4F-4, but found that all working planes had left the area. No CAP. B-17s and B-24s then hit Lae, destroying a few planes, and some B-24s hit Finschafen, doing moderate damage to the field. Finschafen is just a level 1 airfield, but I know that Tojos were just here. But they are gone now.

B-25s hit the airfield at Port Moresby. B-26s hit the enemy troops there.

B-26s and B-25s hit the enemy troops at Oro Bay.

In the afternoon, 9 Kates take another shot at my wayward destroyers, but all miss.

At Buna, the enemy artillery attack caused by my landing shows combat values of 1293 for the Allies and 588 for the Japanese. Both Marine divisions are fully unloaded, but only half of the 43rd Infantry Division is on the beach.

The values at Port Moresby are 909 for the Allies, and 498 for the Japanese. Port Moresby is not going to fall quickly.

The Allies at Oro Bay attack, consisting mainly of the 2nd Australian Brigade. The attack goes at 9 to 1 with 1 fort level, and the base is taken! The enemy retreats into the mountains to Dobadura. Oro Bay is a dot base. The followup convoy has been waiting at Milne Bay and will now go to Oro Bay. Support units are the 41st CBs, the 43rd CBs, the 14th Base Maintenance unit, and the 73rd RAAF Base Wing.

As shown on the map, note that Oro Bay is not connected by land to Buna. You have to go inland to Dobadura first. My armor that is arriving soon from the south will do just that. It will take awhile, but the noose is tightening on Port Moresby. That, I think, will be the key to taking that base. The enemy may evacuate Port Moresby first, and I'd be ok with that too.

I usually make my daily post after I've finished my plots for the next turn, but today, I haven't finished yet. I do so to show my ongoing thought about what my carriers should be doing for the next turn.

I've marked 3 hexes on the map, with black X's, hexes that I've decided are potential moves for my carriers. #1 can range CAP Port Moresby and Buna, but I fear a possible range 7 carrier attack if KB were to move to the coast west of Rabaul. It has done so in the past. This hex also limits where my carriers can move on the next day, leaving my bases, including Milne Bay, more vulnerable.

Hex #2 is a purely defensive move, sitting next to Milne Bay. It doesn't protect any of my beach landings, but does protect Milne Bay, and Milne Bay protects my carriers. This move doesn't do much really, but keeps options more open for the next day.

Hex #3 is an aggressive move to the east of Oro Bay. I've drawn an orange line depicting the range of my strikes from this hex. I don't want to hit shipping at Rabaul, not with the huge numbers of fighters there. I don't rule out doing this in the near future, but it would have to be combined with heavy land-based sweeping and bombing, and I'm not ready to do that. My landings take priority. I think that carriers are approaching, and that they are at Manus right now. My opponent loves to keep the carriers as safe as possible, under the umbrella of heavy ranged CAP from nearby airbases. For this reason, I'm guessing that they would show up within the white circle.

I need to continue loading at Buna, at least for one more day. For this reason, I think that I will move to hex #3, but I'm still thinking about it, and won't complete my turn until tomorrow.

The other risk is that battleships run down to Buna directly. I have a battleship task force there, and I've mined Finschafen. It would be nice to have them hit a mine there and mess up the bombardment approach, and find my carriers nearby during the day.

Keep in mind that I do have troops fully prepped for Lae and Salamaua, the base southwest of Lae. Lae is less defended than Buna or Port Moresby, with troops having been sent from there to Buna recently. Another risky move, but one I'm considering. I could really cut off Port Moresby with that move, and that has been my long-term objective.

More work to do on this turn! What do you think? The enemy is surely coming, but will it be too late?




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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/19/2016 12:44:30 PM   
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Great map! Really nice to see your plans unfold. Looks like you're turning SE New Guinea into something like the historical Guadalcanal, but on a vastly larger scale, and for higher stakes too. I can't really offer good tactical advice but I'll be cheering your troops on!

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/19/2016 2:06:10 PM   
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Don't go to position #3 - that would give him the advantage of LBA support + distracting ships to split your strikes.

You have enough to do a DA at Buna now - the army division will be nearly completely unloaded by next turn. Do it, and set your transports to retire as soon as they unload. If necessary, split the TF with one group made of ships with little left to unload and the other group with those that need days more to unload.

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/20/2016 1:22:22 AM   
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I've sent the turn, and am awaiting one back. I should get that tomorrow. I can say that I decided not to move my carriers to any of the proposed positions. I realized that my thinking was a bit faulty. As you know, the enemy has consistently kept KB near friendly airbases. With Lae not operational, and all of those fighters at Rabaul, I made the assumption that KB would likely hang around close to Rabaul when striking at Buna. What I overlooked was Hansa Bay, further north in New Guinea. It's got a big airfield now, and about 70 fighters. It's just as likely (and I think even more likely) that KB would stay north near Hansa Bay to strike at Buna. Position #3 was a good position for a move near Rabaul, but is a terrible position for a move near Hansa Bay.

So I came up with a new plan.

I'll also say that I did order a deliberate attack at Buna. Let's hope that it at least shows that progress is possible here.

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/20/2016 3:19:49 AM   
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Not sure on your sub movements, but I think you would want more in the backfield where the KB might be (around Manus) and in the white circle where you think he may rush forward to attack from.

Nothing ruins your day more than a sub putting a fish into a carrier.

I see you have dropped some offensive minefields, what seems to work rather neatly is to have some subs with mines around areas he might retreat to looking to make emergency repairs to damaged ships. And then you save the mines until there are some damaged ships.

You guys seem to really be slugging it out here....very interesting.

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/20/2016 4:05:04 AM   
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I agree with you Lowpe, about getting more subs into the area south of Manus. I've committed subs heavily to the area east of New Guinea, south of Lae, but I do need more up on the north side of Umboi Island. I've seen ACMs at Umboi for quite awhile, so I can almost guarantee that there are enemy mines there. For this reason, I don't send anything through the straits there. I go around east of Rabaul, north and around Kavieng, to get to Manus. I have more on the way, but not enough there now. I may have overcommitted my subs to protecting my landings directly.

With my attack today at Buna, I'll get some idea as to how this fight is going to go. A quick victory here would be nice. Both sides have divisions committed here. I prepped for these bases for a long time, longer than it took to get fully prepped, and waited for the opportunity, and that presented itself when I changed the focus to Taberfane and Dobo. Now the focus is returning here. I had to decide whether to just ignore these strongpoints and go elsewhere, wasting all the time that I used prepping my divisions, or attack his strength, and hope to destroy infantry divisions. I chose to attack. May or may not be the right decision, we'll see.

I'm hoping for a good result at Buna today.

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/21/2016 4:08:40 AM   
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Plenty of action today.

Unloading, of course, continues at Buna and Port Moresby. There is little interference.

North of Dobo, sub Seal finds an xAK task force, hits one with an torpedo, but it's a dud.

BC Repulse and friends bombards Buna. A leftover Tojo is destroyed on the ground, the troops take some losses, and base damage is minimal. Disruption is the goal.

At Buna RO-61 finds the BB Royal SOvereign task force, fires at DD Meredith but misses. The battleship task force is guarding the landing.

The enemy minefield at Buna is completely cleared. Mines remain at Port Moresby, but good sweepers are there now.

Near Munda, sub Pogy finds a 3 BB task force that just left base, fires on a destroyer with 4 torpedoes, but misses.

My minefield south of Rabaul is now being cleared.

Bettys and Lilys bomb the Australian Brigade at Timoeka.


B-25s and B-26s bomb the enemy troops and airfield at Buna.

B-26s bomb the airfield at Port Moresby.

B-25s bomb enemy troops at Dobadura. They followed the troops that retreated from Oro Bay and hit them again. I've retasked that unit today.

None of my carrier bombers flew their secondary mission of bombing ground troops at Buna, after not flying any naval attacks.

Then the real action starts.

First, and enemy carrier group has moved just west of Rabaul, hugging the friendly CAP. I considered this but, in the end, guessed that the carriers would show by Hansa Bay. Wrong.

14 Kates escorted by 21 Zeros target shipping at Buna. All of my carriers are one hex closer, but the enemy was determined to hit the invasion shipping. Most, if not all, of the Kates were downed, as well as about 5 Zeros. A couple of F4F-4s are lost. No Kates survive long enough to drop torpedoes.

Then an oddly composed strike of 9 Kates and 51 Zeros go for shipping at Milne Bay. Results are similar to Buna. All Kates are downed before dropping torpedoes. About 10 Zeros are shot down. A few friendly fighters are lost.

In the afternoon, 31 Kates escorted by 59 Zeros target my carrier task force with CVL Hermes and 6 CVEs. With 233 F4F-4s on CAP, I thought everything would be ok, but I was mistaken. 26 of the Kates make it to the carriers. About 10 Zeros are downed. A really poor showing by the CAP. CVL Hermes takes 2 torpedoes, while 3 CVEs are hit. Sangamon and Copahee take 3 torpedoes, and Chenagno takes 2 torpedoes.

The next attack had 38 Vals and 27 Judys, escorted by 26 A6M2 Zeros and 45 A6M3a Zeros. 198 F4F-4s are on CAP. Many enemy planes are destroyed, but 19 Judys and 17 Vals get through to drop their bombs. Copahee and CA Canberra are hit by a bomb, and CVE Nassau is hit by 2 bombs. Another disappointing showing.

My big response was a mistake. I had a 9 plane TBF group from a CVE set to a longer range than I wanted, accidentally, and they flew without escort. No bombers survived to drop torpedoes.

The good news for the day is at Buna, where I deliberately attacked for the first time. The attack goes at 1 to 1 odds, with the forts reduced to 2 and the enemy taking more casualties, 1459 to 750, with significant destroyed squads for the enemy. Buna is going to fall. I'm bombarding and bombing again today, and attacking again.

Conclusions for today --- My carrier positioning was just perfect for the enemy. My CVEs were targeted exclusively, and despite having a huge CAP, the CVE pilots are only mediocre. And I'm pretty sure that a significant percentage of my CAP never engaged. No ships were sunk outright, but some are badly hurt. I do enjoy the part of the game trying to save damaged ships, so here's another opportunity:

Damage is (SYS/FLOT/ENG/FIRE)

CVL Hermes 14/20-7/1/0
CVE Sangamon 36/80-64/7/0
CVE Chenango 29/74-50/16/0
CVE Nassau 42/19-13/13/3
CVE Copahee 17/66-48/11/0

Damaged ships have been split up, based on speed, and with destroyer escorts. Many subchasers and destroyers are assigned to plow up the waters between the CVEs and Milne Bay, hunting the subs. Some land based LR CAP has been assigned to the CVE task forces.

Today all important invasion shipping is leaving Buna, Oro Bay and Port Moresby. Fragments of units, still loaded, will be shipped in later. It's time to go.

My fleet carriers move southeast of Milne Bay.

The enemy carrier fleets are not truly KB and mini-KB. Both are some hybrid, I think. I don't think I'm facing all of the Japanese carriers here. The bomber components of the enemy strikes were rather weak, really. It could have been much worse if I'd seen a couple of hundred bombers, considering how poorly my CAP performed.

So, I've done my landings. It looks like Buna is going to fall soon. Port Moresby will not fall quickly, but it's in the process of being isolated.

Total air losses for the day:
48 Zeros
30 Vals
20 Kates
11 Judys

15 F4F-4s
9 TBFs
2 F4U-1s
1 P-40K





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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/21/2016 5:50:52 AM   
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quote:

B-25s and B-26s bomb the enemy troops and airfield at Buna.
B-26s bomb the airfield at Port Moresby.
B-25s bomb enemy troops at Dobadura.
They followed the troops that retreated from Oro Bay and hit them again. I've retasked that unit today.


One thing I like to do is train my B-25's and B-26's pilots on low nav (sometimes P-39 pilots that will drop a 500 pounder)
Just for this occasion - knife fight in close quaters with land bases ...

It looks like you have traded at least 1 CVE for a whole bunch of air platforms that the KB will have to replenish and subsequently time
The definition of a gambit .. giving up something for a big picture strategic advantage .. losing the battle to win the war as you say ..

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/21/2016 6:03:47 AM   
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I do have some trained for LowN. I've been holding them away from the fight so far. No use impaling them on carrier forces. I did use some Beaufighters recently, flying from Merauke to Dobo, and that worked well. When it wasn't expected.

Should the enemy move south of New Britain, you can be sure that they will be used.

As for the gambit, my goal was taking Oro Bay, Buna, and Port Moresby. It looks like Buna will fall soon, and that starts to isolate Port Moresby, so I'm still happy with the overall situation. The enemy will have to do more than the usual, sitting defensively at Rabaul, to affect the overall situation.

I will do what I can to save the CVEs though. I expect to lose 2 of them.

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/21/2016 7:26:51 PM   
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Troops continue to unload at Buna. I had intended to have all task forces leave, but this one stayed. I may have set a destination for it but left it unloading, not sure. Regardless, there was no interference, and it will leave today. Small fragments remain loaded, mostly vehicles.

At Port Moresby, 2 DMS sweep all the mines, but the last one is hit by Elliot, and the ship sinks.

Near Victoria Point, Dutch sub KXVII hits an xAK with a torpedo, and badly damages it.

A small Dutch surface group is spotted by I-22 near Carnarvon. I'm moving the combat ships up and down the west coast of Australia, demonstrating that it's here. But there's nothing to see here, yet.

At Saumlaki, west of Taberfane, sub Thresher sights AG Koyu Maru. The port is size 1. Torpedoes miss.

At Buna, battleship Royal Sovereign and friends hits the troops and the base.

I sent sweepers and SBDs to Shortlands to try to hit the ACMs in port. First 24 P-40Ks sweep, but find more CAP than I expected, battling 36 Zeros, 12 Tojos, and 12 Nicks. More Warhawks lost than the enemy. Then 28 SBDs escorted by 25 P-40Ks. A few SBDs are lost, but the bombers don't hit the ships or the port.

Back at Saumlaki, some Hudsons attack the port, find 3 Oscars on some type of LR CAP. Some bombers are damaged, and neither the AG or the port is hit.

Some B-17s hit Port Moresby's airfield.

B-25s hit enemy troops at Buna.

Then another sweep arrives at Shortlands. Losses are about even, with about 8 planes lost for each side.

Back at Saumlaki again, sub Thresher takes another shot at AG Koyu Maru, and hits it, badly damaging it.

At Buna, the Allied attack goes at 2 to 1, reducing the forts to 1. We are about to capture Buna and its size 7 airfield.

Ground combat at Buna (99,129)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 36866 troops, 700 guns, 559 vehicles, Assault Value = 1287

Defending force 23855 troops, 167 guns, 40 vehicles, Assault Value = 489

Allied adjusted assault: 1836

Japanese adjusted defense: 789

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1771 casualties reported
Squads: 72 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 67 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 25 (23 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
724 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 59 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Marine Division
43rd Infantry Division
1st Tank Battalion
19th Australian Brigade
2nd Marine Division
2/8th Armoured Regiment
205th Field Artillery Battalion
Aus II Corps
I Marine Amphib Corps
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
4th Aus Lt AA Regiment

Defending units:
Kure 5th SNLF
9th Division
87th Naval Guard Unit
III/66th Naval Guard Unit
2nd Area Army /1
47th JNAF AF Unit
1st Naval Construction Battalion
14th Naval Construction Battalion
43rd JNAF AF Unit
49th JNAF AF Unit
19th Army
5th Air Div /1



Today finds enemy carriers at Kavieng. Lots of shipping at Rabaul. The minefield south of Rabaul still exists but is being swept. One of my badly damaged CVEs had its FLOT damage increase slightly, but it moved 2 hexes, and is only 2 hexes from Milne Bay now. They all just might make it to base. Undamaged and slightly damaged ones are headed to Australia. My fleet carriers stay near Milne Bay. There's a lot of enemy air ASW now, north and south of New Britain. Dutch sub KX was hit by 2 bombs and sunk.

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/21/2016 11:11:53 PM   
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If you escape, you really pulled off a solid victory and gained intel on how he is using his carriers...

Well done.

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/23/2016 2:10:36 AM   
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More supply unloading at Port Moresby. Most xAKLs are almost empty, and I see a couple of enemy subs inbound, probably with mines, so the xAKLs will leave. Allied units have lots of extra supply now.

My mines are still being cleared by Rabaul.

BB New Mexico and friends bombard Port Moresby. Results are poor.

Cruisers Exeter, Cornwall, and Trenton and destroyers bombard Buna. Results are poor.

Allied bombers hit enemy troops at Buna.

B-25s hit Umboi Island's port, finding and sinking an ACM there.

And the Allies capture Buna! The attack goes at 3 to 1 odds. 5 Tojos are destroyed. Over 9000 Japanese casualties. The enemy retreats to Kokoda, and now shows movement to the northeast, trying to get to the coast northwest of Buna.

Japanese ground losses:
9100 casualties reported
Squads: 145 destroyed, 54 disabled
Non Combat: 233 destroyed, 50 disabled
Engineers: 29 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 88 (82 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 29 (29 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 11

Allied ground losses:
546 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 125 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 32 (1 destroyed, 31 disabled)



One task force of enemy carriers remains at Kavieng. SigInt shows the 4th Infantry Division is loaded and on the way to Rabaul. That usually means that it is very close or already at Rabaul (and even possibly headed to somewhere from Rabaul).

I am holding off sending the followup forces to Buna from Milne Bay. I don't want to provide the LR CAP necessary for this while I have so much important shipping at Milne Bay. No rush, the port and airfield are wrecked. I'll let the engineers already there get a start on things. I was also happy to find that Buna now has 25,000 supply! Most of this had to have been captured.

I've started to pull shipping out of Milne Bay. Fleet carriers go south temporarily. I'm sending the AKEs and other support ships south for now. I'm sending most BB task forces to Australia also, with each stopping to bombard Port Moresby on the way. The AKEs and BBs will be back soon enough, as I'll now explain.

I'm immediately starting to load troops at Rockhampton for Lae and Salamaua. I'm sending the 2 armor units at Buna northwest, hoping to get to the next hex before the enemy moving from Kokoda. I'm bombing the enemy troops to slow them down.

One Marine Division at Buna is now prepping for Salamaua. The other is now prepping for Finschafen. First I thought it would be wise to extract these units to the islands by Milne Bay, and then launch the invasion from there, but there's danger loading in both cases, so we'll just load at Buna when it comes time.

Taking Salamaua will pretty much isolate Port Moresby. Taking Lae will provide another huge airbase, and Finschafen will help support Lae.

When the shipping from Rockhampton gets to Milne Bay on the way to Lae, the battleships and AKEs will reappear at Milne Bay.

As for the CVEs, one autodisbanded at Milne Bay, and went into Pier mode automatically. The two most damaged CVEs are one hex from Milne Bay, and will arrive today. Both will disband.

Milne Bay is heavily defended. 10 squadrons of fighters, multiple combat task forces, lots of mines. But I still worry about such a big target so close to Rabaul, with so many fighters vulnerable to a bombardment, and CVEs in port also.

So I mined the two hexes northeast and east of Milne Bay today.

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/23/2016 1:36:30 PM   
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Great victory at Buna! I'm impressed with how quickly you were able to capture that base -- and it was very considerate of the enemy to build that nice airfield for you.

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But I still worry about such a big target [Milne Bay] so close to Rabaul, with so many fighters vulnerable to a bombardment, and CVEs in port also.


Pretty soon it's going to be the other way around, with the Japanese base at Rabaul exposed and vulnerable.

It's cool that you were able to save those mauled CVEs. Presumably they will be out of action for a long time, but still that's a real victory.

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/24/2016 12:59:59 AM   
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I'm not sure about bombarding Rabaul, but I am preparing to hit it with every heavy bomber in the South Pacific. This will happen just before operations to land at Lae and surrounding bases. I will be able to sweep Rabaul with P-38s and Corsairs, but it's still going to be painful, with over 160 fighters bases there at the moment, and the adjacent base to the east has fighters too.

One interesting possibility I'm thinking about is doing this big sweep and strike when KB is adjacent. Sure, a lot of KB's fighters will be helping Rabaul, making my sweeps and bomber missions very costly, but it'll use up KB's CAP too, and if I can combine this with a carrier strike on KB, it just could be decisive.

With the enemy just loving to sit right next to Rabaul for support, I just may be able to execute this plan sometime.

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This is an amazing cat fight to see you two guys involved in....

& your strategy of to engage the KB, while adjacent to Rabaul, is very scary from a Japanese pov.


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I think you'll be sending your bombers into a meat grinder at Rabaul with very little to show for it. I think even with the bleed off of KB fighter strength, your still likely to come off worse in the carrier battle. I like the alternative of hitting Lae overland while invading Bougainville. Hold off hitting the KB until you get Hellcats.

Q What's up at Munda?

All of the above stated, what do I know :)

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Things would have to go just right for the carrier attack to succeed. The sweep and bombing of Rabaul would have to go first, before a naval strike on KB, and KB would have to be range capping Rabaul. Big ifs.

I landed at Munda long ago, and found enemy troops there. I had to leave quickly, so the infantry regiment that landed was mostly squads, with no support. I then captured adjacent Vangunu, and the rest of that regiment walked to Munda. Munda was being slowly reinforced by the enemy during this time. It became a stalemate, with both sides dug in, and has remained that way.

I was ok with stalemate. If not taking Munda, I was happy to take Vangunu and build it up. My actions here weren't part of a big offensive but I made it look as if it could have been.

I don't have immediate plans for Shortlands, Buin, and Torokina. They are fairly strongly defended. I'm headed up New Guinea, and then we'll see how I can isolate Rabaul.

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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-... - 2/24/2016 3:14:19 PM   
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Once again Apbarog, I figured you might be in for a "beach head too far" by going for Buna. Outstandingly executed!

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