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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/3/2015 10:46:16 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Turn 26: (Dec 25, 1943)

The V US Corps is surrounded again. I can't seem to stop anything he does on land, his units are more

powerful and mine are falling apart. The Axis Naval Interdiction is quite strong again, it is weak at the

start of the turn so some of my supplies are getting through, but I am down to only two of my beaches now and

that is not sending in enough supplies. Shipping more troops and such into the invasion area is just sending

more good resources into a bad situation. The Axis is down to under 1500 aircraft total before my air phase.





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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/3/2015 10:46:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		carl how many fighters are you flying in your naval air?

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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/3/2015 10:47:07 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Air: I continue with the same air directives as last turn. He has lost another 200 aircraft during my turn so

far bringing his total aircraft to around 1300 left. I have managed to gain control of the supply routes into

the invasion area.






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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/3/2015 10:47:48 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Land: Not much going on. I try and bolster the invasion area's defenses. The air situation is turning to my

favor and I will see if that helps at all. I expand more airbases in the ETO to hold more aircraft.

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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/4/2015 3:21:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Baelfin, I think the next post (with the Air Directives) answers your question almost as though I had planned it that way . . .

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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/4/2015 3:21:49 PM   
carlkay58

 

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The invasion area shrinks some more. The V US Corps is eliminated. He continues to advance against my best

attempts. The Axis naval interdiction has again closed off the beaches so no more supplies this turn. His

current aircraft total is under 1400 - the one bright spot of this whole mess.





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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/4/2015 3:22:21 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Air: I don't change any air directives this turn. He lost another 111 aircraft and is now sitting at around

1250 left. I do manage to gain control of the seas off the invasion area but that will not help my lack of

supplies or replacements. My air transports are not able to supply enough for the troops.





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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/4/2015 3:23:00 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Land: I am withdrawing what I can from the invasion area. I am starting with armored divisions and HQs. My

naval losses have been severe and I am limited in my lift capacity.





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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/4/2015 3:23:54 PM   
carlkay58

 

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I am forced out of two more hexes in the invasion area. His current aircraft total is under 1200.





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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/4/2015 3:24:25 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Air: My air stays pretty much the same except that I send the 8th USAAF on a new set of three missions

against fighter factories. I destroy another 75 Axis aircraft during the phase.





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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/4/2015 3:25:04 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Land: I currently have T:82 C:1419 available for naval transport at the beginning of the phase. I manage to

withdraw two armored divisions, two Corps HQs, and a brigade from the invasion area. The rest reorganize to

hold as best as they can.





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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/4/2015 6:13:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ouch, Pelton sure have mastered his beachhead counter attack by now.

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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/4/2015 7:30:16 PM   
whoofe

 

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Status: offline 		will he have any air force left to do the same to the France invasion?

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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/4/2015 8:28:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		If he destroys this invasion, he's quite sure to win the campaign no matter what happens to the France invasion... That's the problem.

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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/4/2015 10:14:43 PM   
Baelfiin


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quote:

ORIGINAL: carlkay58

Baelfin, I think the next post (with the Air Directives) answers your question almost as though I had planned it that way . . .


I cant tell how many fighters you have on the naval air over your beach area.

Why are you not putting any interdiction or ground bombing onto his units? Or is it there and not showing?

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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 6:54:26 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		There has been extensive interdiction, naval patrol, and superiority over the entire invasion area. The problem is that the Tactical AF does not project the interdiction values that the 9th USAAF does over northern France. I am usually lucky to have interdiction levels of 2 or 3 in clear terrain and nothing at all in rough/mountain - i.e. the majority of the Italian terrain.

Baelfin, look at post #126. It lists the 15th USAAF Naval Superiority mission with 978:1148 sorties flown. So 978 bombers flew in total and 1,148 escorts/fighters flew.

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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 6:55:31 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Turn 29: (Jan 15, 1944)

Three attacks by the Axis, all successful, squeeze the beach head further down. The Axis are under 1100

aircraft now.





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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 6:56:01 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Air: Air directives change slightly as I attack the airfields in central Italy instead of unit bombing in the

main Axis defensive line.





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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 6:56:34 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Land: I currently have T:75 C:1447 available for naval transport this turn. I remove one armored, one

airborne, three infantry divisions and one Corps HQ. This runs me out of the port capacities and still leave

a decent strength front line in Italy.





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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 6:57:13 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Turn 30: (Jan 22, 1944)

The Axis were able to push back the Allies in two hexes again but were held from capturing another beach

head.





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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 6:57:49 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Air: I keep the same air directives this turn. Things will change once I am done retreating from the invasion

zone. The ETO is not very active due to the bad weather. The Axis aircraft total is under 1100.






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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 6:58:27 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Land: I only have two beaches left - with three infantry divisions and two Corps HQs left to evacuate.






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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 6:59:05 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Turn 31: (Jan 29, 1944)

He has let me escape in peace. It may have caught him off guard, I don't know. But I was not getting anywhere

and I have to send the Canadians and Amphibs back to the ETO to start preparing for the northern France

invasion. I made some mistakes on the whole invasion - from the planning to the preparations to the location

and the number of troops involved. I will get more into those faults later. The one good thing that came out

of it was the destruction of the Luftwaffe.





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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 6:59:35 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Air: I start to redirect the Tactical and 15th USAAF away from supporting the invasion zone and back into

traditional targets. The 15th USAAF expands it attacks on Oil refineries and the Italian rail network. The

Tactical AF begins to hit Axis airbases and rail yards.





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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 7:00:03 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Land: I run out of port capacity with a single CA brigade left behind. I leave the last three Amphib commands

to support him and hope for the best - but the brigade will probably beat the rest of its division back to

Ireland. I also start shipping the Canadians back to the ETO.





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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 7:34:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: carlkay58

There has been extensive interdiction, naval patrol, and superiority over the entire invasion area. The problem is that the Tactical AF does not project the interdiction values that the 9th USAAF does over northern France. I am usually lucky to have interdiction levels of 2 or 3 in clear terrain and nothing at all in rough/mountain - i.e. the majority of the Italian terrain.

Baelfin, look at post #126. It lists the 15th USAAF Naval Superiority mission with 978:1148 sorties flown. So 978 bombers flew in total and 1,148 escorts/fighters flew.


A sortie = a fighter escort?

Im getting pretty decent numbers in my invasion, but will have to see how it goes.

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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 7:47:57 PM   
carlkay58

 

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Status: offline 		Invasion Critique: I did several things entirely wrong on this invasion.

1) I hurried it. I should have spent more time bombing the Italian rail net to lower the Axis supply status

and decrease his mobility. It would have been much harder for reinforcements from the front line or from the

north to reach without rail capacity. On the other hand, bombing targets in Italy is not very effective due to the terrain.

2) I needed more time to use my air against him. This actually magnifies the effect that the supply priority

of the airbases had on my plan. This is fixed in the latest test version, but this game is entirely on

production versions. Because of not realizing what was going on, I lost the majority of my Tactical AF from

turn 2 or 3 on when I was sending them over to unsupplied airbases in Sicily. I found out about the specifics

(while I was busy trying to build up the supply network to get them supplies but not succeeding) around turn

20 - not in time for the invasion. I should have postponed the invasion until that was all worked out - but I

was on a strict time schedule because of needing to send back the borrowed troops and the amphibs to the ETO

for the northern France invasion. So a majority of the pre-invasion period saw little or no effect from the Tactical AF and later the Strategic AF when I shifted them to the captured and newly created airbases. While the newest versions have fixed it for existing airbases, the new airbases (either constructed or the temporary airfields on invasion hexes) are constructed with Supply Priorities of 0. So remember to change those when the airfields are created.

3) I sent too many troops ashore and was not able to keep them in supply. I should have gotten the supply

line secured first and then reinforced. Because I did not do this, I had severe supply problems. Even before

the Axis naval interdiction was causing me problems.

4) I did not plan a good area to invade in. I had no chance in taking a normal port - something that I should

have known better and planned for. The Allies need to have real ports - not just beach heads - to get a good

supply situation going.

5) I thought I had good air coverage for the invasion zone, but I did not. I needed time to build up the

Corsican airbases and staff them with the Tactical AF for close by air coverage. This would have helped in

the air and naval battle.

6) The invasion should have had Naval Patrol, Air Superiority, and other plans in order to maintain naval and

air superiority from the start - not in reaction to the Axis. This ties in to my air supply problems that put

my air development so far behind. I definitely need better air coverage and closer range.

So my next task is to figure out what to continue to do in the MTO and to start planning a better invasion

for northern France. I need to show what I have learned from this fiasco.

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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 7:50:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Baelfin - a sortie is a flown mission by either the primary aircraft (left of the :) or the escorts (right of the :) so the total sorties are the total air missions flown by either type of aircraft. Note that Superiority missions only have a number to the left of the : as the fighters are the mission aircraft.

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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 8:16:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you had to do it again would you wait for clear weather? Do you believe the poor weather effected your ability to open the sea lanes? Obviously the weather was the same for Pelton but his bases were closer to the beachhead and maybe in better supply. I ask because I'm in a similar situation in my game as WA's and although I want to push the invade button I'm currently waiting for clear weather - not sure if its worth waiting?

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RE: carlkay58 (Allies) vs Pelton (Axis) 43 Campaign - 2/5/2015 10:48:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Carl


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