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Defending reserve commitment - 1/8/2015 10:15:11 PM   
Kumppi


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Status: offline 		I have been testing reserve commitment in the breakout and pursuit scenario. I made hasty attacks against the stack in hex 75, 195 with British divisions. Their CV was over twice what I had. I did not expect any reserve commitments, but it happened.

In the manual it says that a defending reserve unit will never commit if the odds are less than 1 to 4. I read that line again and again, but it doesn't sink in. Most likely because I'm stupid or having a seizure. Does it mean that defending reserve unit tries to commit to a battle as long as the defenders don't "outnumber" the attacker at least 4 to 1?
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RE: Defending reserve commitment - 1/8/2015 10:47:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, the reserves will not commit if the battle is totally one sided. There is no reason to commit if the odds are already in the defender's favor nor if the attacker has overwhelming odds.

The threshold is 1:4 or 4:1.

So if one side has four times the CV as the other reserves will not be committed on either side.

Example: Attacking CV is 10 and the Defending CV is 40 -> odds are 1:4 so neither side will commit reserves.
Example: Attacking CV is 20 and the Defending CV is 30 -> odds are 1:1.5 so both sides will try to commit reserves.
Example: Attacking CV is 30 and the Defending CV is 20 -> odds are 1.5:1 so both sides will try to commit reserves.
Example: Attacking CV is 40 and the Defending CV is 10 -> odds are 4:1 so neither side will commit reserves.

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RE: Defending reserve commitment - 1/8/2015 11:02:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK. Got it. Thanks.

With those odds isn't it too easy to make hasty attacks and exhaust the defensive reserves? For instance in the breakout and pursuit scenario I'm making a hasty attack with worse than 1:2 odds and defensive reserves are committed.

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RE: Defending reserve commitment - 1/8/2015 11:20:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		The infamous soak off attacks of yore!

Yes you can do that. You will have to accept some large casualties doing it that way, but it could work out for you. If you do this, make those attacks in the hexes you do not wish to advance through because otherwise you will build up a large amount of penalty MP cost to exit the contested hex and that will slow down your exploitation.

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RE: Defending reserve commitment - 1/8/2015 11:38:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kumppi

OK. Got it. Thanks.

With those odds isn't it too easy to make hasty attacks and exhaust the defensive reserves? For instance in the breakout and pursuit scenario I'm making a hasty attack with worse than 1:2 odds and defensive reserves are committed.


If the defender is set-up right now soaking attacks will not work unless you do 4-6 del attacks.

A good defensive set-up is a 6-9 hex front all infantry (6-9 total) divisions and a 2nd line of 3 tanks/MoT/Mech broken down into regiments.
You get RR 100% of the time, if they are needed. I use this set-up on Russian front and works great delaying.

You can pepper 3rd and 4th lines every other hex behind that to prevent breakthroughs, defensive lines will be 60 miles thick.

Then have a reserve force of 6 elite Panzer divisions to break any pockets.

Should work here in France even better then WitE with the increased MP costs and much smaller fronts.


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RE: Defending reserve commitment - 1/8/2015 11:42:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Definitely a viable strategy and something that happened in real life, but with a defensive CV of 30 and attacking CV of 10 committing defensive reserves seems like a waste.

The casualties in these hasty "feint" attacks weren't particularly high. At most I lost about 500 men and a handful of AFVs which was about the same as the enemy in most cases. Add to that the possibility for reconnaissance in force and I won't worry about the dead.

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RE: Defending reserve commitment - 1/8/2015 11:54:34 PM   
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If the defender is set-up right now soaking attacks will not work unless you do 4-6 del attacks.



I guess it doesn't really work against a human player who knows how to defend. I'm not really sure if it works well against a computer for that matter. I was just thinking about the odds for commitment.


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RE: Defending reserve commitment - 1/9/2015 12:46:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's line without forts, for delaying.

A more solid line is 6 infantry in the front and 3 infantry and 3 panzers in 2nd line. You can brake the panzers down or leave them as divisions.

Your going to lose men, the point of it is they don't get pocketed which is worse when you lose 10k per division or 500 per hasty?

I only play people as per my

GHC WitE 24 - 4 - 8
GHC WitW 0 - 0 - 0 with 6 on going

Record.

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