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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/1/2016 12:32:35 PM   
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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/1/2016 12:48:19 PM   
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3 large armies are moving south in Manchuko. The group with 2155 AV will proceed down to Taonan and then southwest to Lioyuan. The middle stack will proceed down trough Taonan and head to Changchun. The stack of 3484 will proceed through Tsitshar move south and then hook right to harbin south of the river.




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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/3/2016 1:23:47 PM   
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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/3/2016 1:38:00 PM   
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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/3/2016 1:41:52 PM   
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Did all of the Chinese troops spawn at Chengtu?


Yep

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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/7/2016 1:49:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		It can be said that on the last day of February 1945, Japan left it all on the field.






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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/7/2016 3:00:23 PM   
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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/7/2016 3:45:47 PM   
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NJP owns 10 cities in Manchuria still. Only 2 of them are really key cities. Harbin has a lot of aircraft and armament factories. Mukden is heavy urban and also has armament factories. The overall plan is for the Russians to swing down and take Changchun and then move back east to finish off Harbin before moving west.

Hopefully, the allies can handle Mukden along with moving down the coast.

Port Arthur just finished resistance giving me a lvl 9 port for bombardment runs.






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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/7/2016 3:48:57 PM   
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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/7/2016 4:04:17 PM   
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There are about 60 units isolated around Hankow. The chinese troops are moving outwards relieving garrisons for the british and Indian troops to move east. Within a week there will be a major battle at Wuchang, forcing the defenders out of that city.

The area to the west contains 16-20 units of troops mostly from the defeat of Chungking.




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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/7/2016 4:09:42 PM   
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I have been managing to keep NJP at or below 70,000 but that will come to an end soon as he cant lose many more points for bases.

The overall plan still allows for combat operations to continue in Manchuko and Korea through June of 1945. The invasion of the mainland of Japan is planned for early July.

This timetable could be speeded up by developments on the continent.






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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/8/2016 1:13:13 AM   
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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/8/2016 8:14:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Abandoning Harbin may be a smart move. When you take the base it will likely flip to an occupation rather than a combat attack, so the industry will not be damaged and you will be stuck with aircraft factories you cannot use, instead of converting them to vehicle factories. I am not sure if the Chinese can make any use of the HI points produced.

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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/8/2016 12:32:41 PM   
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Abandoning Harbin may be a smart move. When you take the base it will likely flip to an occupation rather than a combat attack, so the industry will not be damaged and you will be stuck with aircraft factories you cannot use, instead of converting them to vehicle factories. I am not sure if the Chinese can make any use of the HI points produced.


He left a unit that I was able to attack. All the aircraft factories disappeared to be replaced by .... nothing.

I have the HI and LI factories but nothing else. The Russians took it over, not the Chinese.

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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/11/2016 10:52:39 PM   
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Abandoning Harbin may be a smart move. When you take the base it will likely flip to an occupation rather than a combat attack, so the industry will not be damaged and you will be stuck with aircraft factories you cannot use, instead of converting them to vehicle factories. I am not sure if the Chinese can make any use of the HI points produced.


He left a unit that I was able to attack. All the aircraft factories disappeared to be replaced by .... nothing.

I have the HI and LI factories but nothing else. The Russians took it over, not the Chinese.


I think that's as it's supposed to be. Allied aircraft factories will get converted to VEH/ARM factories (I think), while Japanese aircraft factories just go poof.

I haven't really been keeping up with this game, other than checking in a few times a while back once I heard about the Russia thing. Honestly, even though he's going to get beat out of China in short order, it looks like he got a LOT of LCU VPs this game. Was it from invading Russia? That's a lot of VPs for the Allies to make up, and if it was from Russia it changes the calculus from "Definitely don't ever invade Russia, ever" to "Eh, maybe..... but only if you can harvest VPs." Maybe.

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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/11/2016 11:23:27 PM   
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Abandoning Harbin may be a smart move. When you take the base it will likely flip to an occupation rather than a combat attack, so the industry will not be damaged and you will be stuck with aircraft factories you cannot use, instead of converting them to vehicle factories. I am not sure if the Chinese can make any use of the HI points produced.


He left a unit that I was able to attack. All the aircraft factories disappeared to be replaced by .... nothing.

I have the HI and LI factories but nothing else. The Russians took it over, not the Chinese.


I think that's as it's supposed to be. Allied aircraft factories will get converted to VEH/ARM factories (I think), while Japanese aircraft factories just go poof.

I haven't really been keeping up with this game, other than checking in a few times a while back once I heard about the Russia thing. Honestly, even though he's going to get beat out of China in short order, it looks like he got a LOT of LCU VPs this game. Was it from invading Russia? That's a lot of VPs for the Allies to make up, and if it was from Russia it changes the calculus from "Definitely don't ever invade Russia, ever" to "Eh, maybe..... but only if you can harvest VPs." Maybe.


He completely took out China, that was his big VP draw.

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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/11/2016 11:25:05 PM   
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Abandoning Harbin may be a smart move. When you take the base it will likely flip to an occupation rather than a combat attack, so the industry will not be damaged and you will be stuck with aircraft factories you cannot use, instead of converting them to vehicle factories. I am not sure if the Chinese can make any use of the HI points produced.


He left a unit that I was able to attack. All the aircraft factories disappeared to be replaced by .... nothing.

I have the HI and LI factories but nothing else. The Russians took it over, not the Chinese.


I think that's as it's supposed to be. Allied aircraft factories will get converted to VEH/ARM factories (I think), while Japanese aircraft factories just go poof.

I haven't really been keeping up with this game, other than checking in a few times a while back once I heard about the Russia thing. Honestly, even though he's going to get beat out of China in short order, it looks like he got a LOT of LCU VPs this game. Was it from invading Russia? That's a lot of VPs for the Allies to make up, and if it was from Russia it changes the calculus from "Definitely don't ever invade Russia, ever" to "Eh, maybe..... but only if you can harvest VPs." Maybe.


He completely took out China, that was his big VP draw.


Right, but I completely took out China against Bullwinkle and my LCU VPs against him are not 30K. Granted, we're almost a year behind, but I also "harvested" a fair amount in Australia. China might've been 10K, maybe. I don't think he got out more than 4-5 Corps, at most. The rest got killed. Some of it more than once.

So he really didn't kill many Russians, then?

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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/11/2016 11:36:38 PM   
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Abandoning Harbin may be a smart move. When you take the base it will likely flip to an occupation rather than a combat attack, so the industry will not be damaged and you will be stuck with aircraft factories you cannot use, instead of converting them to vehicle factories. I am not sure if the Chinese can make any use of the HI points produced.


He left a unit that I was able to attack. All the aircraft factories disappeared to be replaced by .... nothing.

I have the HI and LI factories but nothing else. The Russians took it over, not the Chinese.


I think that's as it's supposed to be. Allied aircraft factories will get converted to VEH/ARM factories (I think), while Japanese aircraft factories just go poof.

I haven't really been keeping up with this game, other than checking in a few times a while back once I heard about the Russia thing. Honestly, even though he's going to get beat out of China in short order, it looks like he got a LOT of LCU VPs this game. Was it from invading Russia? That's a lot of VPs for the Allies to make up, and if it was from Russia it changes the calculus from "Definitely don't ever invade Russia, ever" to "Eh, maybe..... but only if you can harvest VPs." Maybe.


He completely took out China, that was his big VP draw.


Right, but I completely took out China against Bullwinkle and my LCU VPs against him are not 30K. Granted, we're almost a year behind, but I also "harvested" a fair amount in Australia. China might've been 10K, maybe. I don't think he got out more than 4-5 Corps, at most. The rest got killed. Some of it more than once.

So he really didn't kill many Russians, then?


Back on page 23 I noted the LCU points just before he started attacking Russia. IT was 23.5K So overall since then 6.5K for everything on the map including Russia. The only really big victory he had was against a big stack that tried to run but he paid a quite heavy price there too.

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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/12/2016 12:27:27 AM   
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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/12/2016 7:54:50 AM   
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Abandoning Harbin may be a smart move. When you take the base it will likely flip to an occupation rather than a combat attack, so the industry will not be damaged and you will be stuck with aircraft factories you cannot use, instead of converting them to vehicle factories. I am not sure if the Chinese can make any use of the HI points produced.


He left a unit that I was able to attack. All the aircraft factories disappeared to be replaced by .... nothing.

I have the HI and LI factories but nothing else. The Russians took it over, not the Chinese.


I think that's as it's supposed to be. Allied aircraft factories will get converted to VEH/ARM factories (I think), while Japanese aircraft factories just go poof.

I haven't really been keeping up with this game, other than checking in a few times a while back once I heard about the Russia thing. Honestly, even though he's going to get beat out of China in short order, it looks like he got a LOT of LCU VPs this game. Was it from invading Russia? That's a lot of VPs for the Allies to make up, and if it was from Russia it changes the calculus from "Definitely don't ever invade Russia, ever" to "Eh, maybe..... but only if you can harvest VPs." Maybe.

Must be a recent change. Before I upgraded last April or so to the latest official version I was taking Japanese held bases and if the base was taken by combat the aircraft, engine and armament factories all became vehicle factories, and the merchant/naval shipyards became repair shipyards. There was some reduction in the number of industry points with the changeover. But if the base flipped by occupation, the industries did not switch type and there was no loss of the number of industry "points of production".
I was never able to determine if the vehicle factories actually made any vehicles for my pools. The captured aircraft factories and merchant/naval shipyards produced nothing.

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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/12/2016 3:13:52 PM   
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Abandoning Harbin may be a smart move. When you take the base it will likely flip to an occupation rather than a combat attack, so the industry will not be damaged and you will be stuck with aircraft factories you cannot use, instead of converting them to vehicle factories. I am not sure if the Chinese can make any use of the HI points produced.


He left a unit that I was able to attack. All the aircraft factories disappeared to be replaced by .... nothing.

I have the HI and LI factories but nothing else. The Russians took it over, not the Chinese.


I think that's as it's supposed to be. Allied aircraft factories will get converted to VEH/ARM factories (I think), while Japanese aircraft factories just go poof.

I haven't really been keeping up with this game, other than checking in a few times a while back once I heard about the Russia thing. Honestly, even though he's going to get beat out of China in short order, it looks like he got a LOT of LCU VPs this game. Was it from invading Russia? That's a lot of VPs for the Allies to make up, and if it was from Russia it changes the calculus from "Definitely don't ever invade Russia, ever" to "Eh, maybe..... but only if you can harvest VPs." Maybe.

Must be a recent change. Before I upgraded last April or so to the latest official version I was taking Japanese held bases and if the base was taken by combat the aircraft, engine and armament factories all became vehicle factories, and the merchant/naval shipyards became repair shipyards. There was some reduction in the number of industry points with the changeover. But if the base flipped by occupation, the industries did not switch type and there was no loss of the number of industry "points of production".
I was never able to determine if the vehicle factories actually made any vehicles for my pools. The captured aircraft factories and merchant/naval shipyards produced nothing.


There are a few differences that may account for it. Harbin is not on the Japanese mainland and not subject to VP points against the Japanese. I think also most of the factories were player built although there may have been some there originally.

Since the replenishment rate is set on a schedule for the Allies I do not believe any vehicle factories would be useful to them.


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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/12/2016 3:15:23 PM   
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Lost 10K troops. I was hoping that being out of supply would be more of a deficit.






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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/12/2016 3:22:15 PM   
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In a typical stoner move I must have clicked on one army unit in the stack and then intended to copy the move to the rest of the armies. The order must not have happened because I sat through 5 minutes of bombardments in eager anticipation for a YUGE (huge with a new york accent) battle. Then I sat through another 5 minutes of bombardments with one unit attacking.

On one hand that sucks. On the other hand the one unit attacking managed to drop the forts from 3 to 2. I have never seen that happen before but since most players would have attacked with the full army the forts would likely have dropped anyway.






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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/15/2016 4:07:58 PM   
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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/15/2016 4:29:01 PM   
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RE: Groundhog Day! - 5/29/2016 3:14:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		End of April. A massive series of naval battles results in big losses on both sides.

The Allies lost 5 battleships and 3 heavy cruisers. The Japanese lost 4 battleships with another showing heavy fire/heavy damage and another heavy fire.

Tactical win for NJP but it leaves him much shorter of working battleships. On the plus side my fast battleship group suffered light damage.






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RE: Groundhog Day! - 6/2/2016 6:12:53 PM   
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After capturing Guzan by paratroop I was able to move armor and 2 divisons in and open a path through Keijo. Some of my armor may have moved too far and is now moving back but the plan is to move a large stack directly to Fusan and take that city and anything in the open along the way.

I am moving the russians into blocking positions to hold NJP in the woods/Rough in northern Korea while I move the British and American troops down south to take on Fusan.

The Marines are prepping for Shiminoseki and I have plans in the works for other allied landings. The goal will be to take the open central plains of western China and then move east and west as opposition permits.




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RE: Groundhog Day! - 6/12/2016 3:36:21 AM   
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NJP has done well against my land forces in Korea. I am getting major disablements trying to attack him in the jungle rough terrain. Have to go slowly or I am not helping myself.

Also having problems with several bases like Fusan. When I try to bombard, NJP puts surface fleets in my way in the ports. The fleets die but my bombardments change to surface combats and are suddenly subject to mines which are tearing up my destroyers. I could counter with planes but the CAP can be murderous...

Fusan should fall within a few weeks so that wont be an issue anymore. Once it does fall and hopefully before July I can launch an amphibious invasion onto the home islands from that base.

However, before that happens I suddenly got massive reinforcements in Russia. I am seriously thinking about sailing my amphibious fleet over to Russia and delivering 4000+ AV onto Hokkaido.







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RE: Groundhog Day! - 6/12/2016 3:40:40 AM   
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I did not gain much in NJP's lead during the month of May. As it stands I still need 34,000 + whatever gains are made.

The things I am not doing to gain points are to strategically bomb Japan and/or bomb ports. I probably should be doing this but I am not excited about trying to end the game faster. Once I invade the home islands points should change rapidly.




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RE: Groundhog Day! - 6/17/2016 12:45:40 PM   
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I can't imagine how you can keep track of everything going on!

Job well done on controlling so many bases versus the Japanese number of bases controled.

Best Regards,

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