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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 10/3/2015 11:07:57 PM   
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Was it a motion like this .... ?

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 10/3/2015 11:30:52 PM   
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precisely my good man, coincided with my own desire. PROAST!

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 10/4/2015 11:51:09 AM   
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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 10/4/2015 2:40:07 PM   
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Col. Leach has reached Lighthouse 1. Local contact with the natives made. He will have to make do for now as the
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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 10/5/2015 9:45:47 PM   
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All LSTs clear Lighthouse One and make for safer seas. I think they need one more day to clear the area. Radar set
unloaded, supply is good. Support should debark X-mas island tomorrow. Ill use the same deal, fast transport the men
(as many as I can) and LST the rest. I do not want to wait for the LSIs to begin.

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 10/6/2015 12:44:11 AM   
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Nasty surprise over Buna...Morning Air attack on Buna , at 99,129

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     N1K1-J George x 83

Allied aircraft
     B-17E Fortress x 30

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
     B-17E Fortress: 3 destroyed, 11 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
      7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 8000 feet
              Airfield Attack:  8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 8000 feet
              Airfield Attack:  8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      1 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 8000 feet
              Airfield Attack:  8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 8000 feet
              Airfield Attack:  8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      8 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 8000 feet
              Airfield Attack:  8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Zuiho-1/A with N1K1-J George (28 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (28 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     28 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 33800 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 33800.
     Raid is overhead
Zuiho-1/B with N1K1-J George (27 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (27 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     27 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 14000.
     Raid is overhead
Zuiho-1/C with N1K1-J George (28 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (28 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     28 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 33800 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 33800.
     Raid is overhead


Morning Air attack on Buna , at 99,129

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     N1K1-J George x 68

Allied aircraft
     B-17E Fortress x 6

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
      6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 8000 feet
              Airfield Attack:  8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Zuiho-1/A with N1K1-J George (28 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     28 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 33800 , scrambling fighters to 24488.
     Raid is overhead
Zuiho-1/B with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 8000.
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 139 minutes
Zuiho-1/C with N1K1-J George (28 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     28 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 33800 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 33800.
     Raid is overhead

Port Moresby as well

Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 165
     Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 11
     Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 3

Allied aircraft
     B-25D1 Mitchell x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
     B-25D1 Mitchell: 9 destroyed

CAP engaged:
204 Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (34 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     34 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 14000.
     Raid is overhead
Ryujo-1/A with A6M2 Zero (21 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     21 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 15000.
     Raid is overhead
Ryujo-1/B with A6M2 Zero (22 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     22 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 14000.
     Raid is overhead
Ryujo-1/C with A6M2 Zero (22 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     22 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 14000.
     Raid is overhead
Soryu-1/A with A6M2 Zero (22 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     22 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
     Raid is overhead
Soryu-1/B with A6M2 Zero (22 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     22 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 11000.
     Raid is overhead
Soryu-1/C with A6M2 Zero (22 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     22 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 13000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 13000.
     Raid is overhead
4th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     11 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
     Raid is overhead
Spc.Attck.Unit  with Ki-45 KAIb Nick (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     3 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
     Raid is overhead
Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 150
     Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 11
     Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 2

Allied aircraft
     B-25D1 Mitchell x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
     B-25D1 Mitchell: 4 destroyed
     B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

CAP engaged:
204 Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     21 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 8000.
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 234 minutes
Ryujo-1/A with A6M2 Zero (21 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     21 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 15000.
     Raid is overhead
Ryujo-1/B with A6M2 Zero (22 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     22 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 14000.
     Raid is overhead
Ryujo-1/C with A6M2 Zero (22 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     22 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 14000.
     Raid is overhead
Soryu-1/A with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     20 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 8000.
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 91 minutes
Soryu-1/B with A6M2 Zero (22 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     22 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 11000.
     Raid is overhead
Soryu-1/C with A6M2 Zero (22 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     22 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 13000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 13000.
     Raid is overhead
4th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     11 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
     Raid is overhead
Spc.Attck.Unit  with Ki-45 KAIb Nick (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     2 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
     Raid is overhead
Morning Air attack on Buna , at 99,129

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 7 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     N1K1-J George x 62

Allied aircraft
     B-17E Fortress x 4

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
      4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 8000 feet
              Airfield Attack:  8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Zuiho-1/A with N1K1-J George (28 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     28 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 33800 , scrambling fighters to 15176.
     Raid is overhead
Zuiho-1/B with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 6 scrambling)
     Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 8000.
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
Zuiho-1/C with N1K1-J George (28 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     28 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 33800 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 33800.
     Raid is overhead
Morning Air attack on Buna , at 99,129

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 38,550 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     N1K1-J George x 52

Allied aircraft
     P-38G Lightning x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
     N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
Zuiho-1/A with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 21 scrambling)
     Group patrol altitude is 33800
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
Zuiho-1/B with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
     Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 33800.
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
Zuiho-1/C with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 28 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 33800 , scrambling fighters to 24488.
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes

Morning Air attack on Buna , at 99,129

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     N1K1-J George x 33

Allied aircraft
     P-38G Lightning x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
     N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
     P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
      3 x P-38G Lightning sweeping at 34550 feet

CAP engaged:
Zuiho-1/A with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 33800 , scrambling fighters to 33550.
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 144 minutes
Zuiho-1/B with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 33800.
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
Zuiho-1/C with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     19 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 33800 , scrambling fighters to 35550.
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes


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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 10/6/2015 10:55:43 PM   
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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 10/6/2015 11:59:17 PM   
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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 10/7/2015 12:10:28 AM   
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WITP-AE
It means different things to different people with a common interest. Interesting in itself. I find the detail these guys went into putting this together almost ridiculous.
Today at work I grabbed a coffee and dwelt for a moment on the previous couple of turns. I started with the "George". started following links and I was reading about
a Japanese flying circus over Japan in '45. I bet all six of the Japanese aviators shot down over the straights that day are in the game. Ridiculous.*

* I will find out, I penciled their names into my to research (alright,,,,,google)

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 10/8/2015 11:28:53 PM   
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Nothing flies from 10th AF. Nothing. The raid is rescheduled for April fools day. All spots on the IJN in the central Pacific are lost on the
30th. My small destroyer force and cruiser SAG remains followed however. No sign of enemy flattops.

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 10/10/2015 2:39:38 PM   
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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 10/10/2015 4:14:27 PM   
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Re: forts vs bombardment - they do help but how much depends on the size of the guns or bombs bombarding, plus terrain, plus D/L, plus weather.

The Jintsu and DDs would put up a weak bombardment that level 2 forts would help reduce the effects and level 3 would nearly negate. Add CAs to the equation and you need level 4 forts to negate most of the effects. But nothing (at least below level 8) really is proof against BBs - compared to the 250 - 300 lb. shell of a CA, a 14" gun fires a shell of ~ 1500 lbs. The 18.1" guns on the Yamatos deliver shells over 3000 lbs.

For aerial bombardment, level 3 forts would help a lot against the 100 kg bombs of fighters or Vals at extended range. Level 4 is needed to do much against 250 kg bombs. Against the 800 kg bombs from Kates/Jills you need good terrain and good karma!

Just wondering if your Lighthouse location is of any use if he knows where it is? Do you intend to have a full fledged air base and garrison?

EDIT: My notes on forts above are for effects on troops and maybe supply dumps- I don't think they apply to aircraft. You should need a higher level base (with revetments) to reduce the effects of bombardment on aircraft.

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About the city attack at Paoshan - you got lots of manpower hits and pretty good fire levels at 108K. Those fires will cause damage to some of the industry if they burn on next day - and I am pretty sure they will. I am not sure if numbers of troops has any effect on fire suppression. It takes a really intense fire burning for several days to destroy industry. Did you see the words Fire Storm in any of the text scrolling by?

The bad news is that once Manpower is eliminated it becomes much harder to get fires going on the industry. The good news is that any industry damaged costs 1000 supply for each point repaired, so it is unlikely he will repair it - that makes it as good as destroyed.

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 10/10/2015 5:23:53 PM   
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quote:

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Re: forts vs bombardment - they do help but how much depends on the size of the guns or bombs bombarding, plus terrain, plus D/L, plus weather.

I'm glad there is some measure of protection, praying for foul weather right now.

The Jintsu and DDs would put up a weak bombardment that level 2 forts would help reduce the effects and level 3 would nearly negate. Add CAs to the equation and you need level 4 forts to negate most of the effects. But nothing (at least below level 8) really is proof against BBs - compared to the 250 - 300 lb. shell of a CA, a 14" gun fires a shell of ~ 1500 lbs. The 18.1" guns on the Yamatos deliver shells over 3000 lbs.

I do not see any heavy surface forces with KB, but as you know you can only see so much. As he has not detached anything I can see, I hope bombardment is not on the menu today.
For aerial bombardment, level 3 forts would help a lot against the 100 kg bombs of fighters or Vals at extended range. Level 4 is needed to do much against 250 kg bombs. Against the 800 kg bombs from Kates/Jills you need good terrain and good karma!

Just wondering if your Lighthouse location is of any use if he knows where it is? Do you intend to have a full fledged air base and garrison?

I do not think he knows I'm on Lighthouse One. No airfield built etc..Possibly. At Lighthouse Two (actually unoccupied as convoys had to come about)
The seaplane base operating off tenders I assume is still invisible to him, both north of Arorae and south of Lighthouse One. I want to build both areas with LBA and some naval attack a/c to retreat under when more ambitious operations aimed at the Gilberts, Solomons, and Ocean Islands are undertaken.


EDIT: My notes on forts above are for effects on troops and maybe supply dumps- I don't think they apply to aircraft. You should need a higher level base (with revetments) to reduce the effects of bombardment on aircraft.


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The 4th is quiet.....KB vanishes......more search added.......Enterprise takes on Hellcats.

*A note on the post above, I generally search out to 12 hexes with Cats. If I want try and see deeper I set the search arcs smaller. As a rule
I do this on the Burma coast and parts of the Pacific coast. I will also narrow the bands for night searches. No idea if this wise or not.

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**No damage noted to Paoshan's industry, fires (small) still burn.




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The supply and Seabee equipment is sighted before dark 80nm from Lighthouse One. I send them in but cut
the escorting destroyers out. KB is 400nm due west and steaming east. We are completely unloaded when
the sky becomes full of meatballs. *&^%!!
Morning Air attack on TF, near Nanumea at 136,141

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 14
     A6M5 Zero x 22
     B6N1 Jill x 37
     B6N2 Jill x 11
     D4Y1 Judy x 69

Japanese aircraft losses
     B6N1 Jill: 2 damaged
     D4Y1 Judy: 3 damaged
     D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
     LST-446, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
     LST-19, Bomb hits 3,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     LST-16, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
     LCI-22, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
     LCI-63, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
     LST-17, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
     LCI-24, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
     LST-18, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
     LCI-23, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
     LCI-62, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
     AM Skylark, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
     AM Requisite, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires
     LST-20, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
     LCI-21, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

**actually I think we got 30% of the supllies off but all the TO&E.

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**there might be radar but it seems the intercepts were less than desirable for Lars given the
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