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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/5/2016 1:27:09 AM   
PaxMondo


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Status: offline 		So, what you need to do is your post-mortem, for your self. Where/When/How could you save 2M - 4M supply to carry you through to '46?

You did a great job getting to 10/45 ... now figure out how you extend to 5/46? +6 months is a LONG time at this point in the game and you know how much you burn HI and supply at this point ...

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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/5/2016 2:02:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Right. Although I don't know if it's that simple. The burn rate of supply from strategic bombing is huge, and Mike didn't even utilize it to its maximum. Conserving supply is one option, another is spending more early to try and stave off the HI onslaught for longer, if doing so is possible.

I would also be curious as to how much the ground combat against the Soviets on the HIs contributed. It might be more support for a decapitating strike earlier if such a thing can be achieved.

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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/5/2016 3:30:48 AM   
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Well the fat lady is singing.

Supply has run out except for 3 bases on the Home Islands. Tokyo is out cold and the whole air defence network which has put up a sterling performance has literally collapsed. About 150 Japanese merchant ships have been sent to the bottom of the ocean in three days, as the slaughter commences in earnest.

There is no where to run or hide but stand in place and take it on the chin ( I was going to use another analogy but I don't think it is appropriate on our G rated forum.

I am still laying claim to the bloodiest PBEM in history though!!!!

The Emperor will no doubt make his nation wide address tomorrow.





To illustrate the scale of punishment being meted out, in 12 days Mike has whacked on 14K VP now that the skies are largely clear.



If the skies are clear, how in the world did you shoot down near 300 Allied planes losing only 5 of your own?


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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/5/2016 7:00:02 AM   
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Well the fat lady is singing.

Supply has run out except for 3 bases on the Home Islands. Tokyo is out cold and the whole air defence network which has put up a sterling performance has literally collapsed. About 150 Japanese merchant ships have been sent to the bottom of the ocean in three days, as the slaughter commences in earnest.

There is no where to run or hide but stand in place and take it on the chin ( I was going to use another analogy but I don't think it is appropriate on our G rated forum.

I am still laying claim to the bloodiest PBEM in history though!!!!

The Emperor will no doubt make his nation wide address tomorrow.





To illustrate the scale of punishment being meted out, in 12 days Mike has whacked on 14K VP now that the skies are largely clear.



If the skies are clear, how in the world did you shoot down near 300 Allied planes losing only 5 of your own?



LOL, good point. He stopped the sweeps this turn and just let loose with everything across the Home Islands. The three bases with supply Osaka, Yokohama and Ominato (all crammed full of fighters) plus KB took a heavy toll of USN aircraft.

In return though the damage the massed airstrikes did combined with the Soviets devastated a number of bases, burnt cities and wipe out scores of merchant ships. The number of VPs he has gained through the destruction of merchant shipping including tankers around Kobe/ Osaka has been off the grid.



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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/5/2016 7:05:57 AM   
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Right. Although I don't know if it's that simple. The burn rate of supply from strategic bombing is huge, and Mike didn't even utilize it to its maximum. Conserving supply is one option, another is spending more early to try and stave off the HI onslaught for longer, if doing so is possible.

I would also be curious as to how much the ground combat against the Soviets on the HIs contributed. It might be more support for a decapitating strike earlier if such a thing can be achieved.


Good points guys. I am concerned as savelius2 has pointed out that if strat bombing was more aggressively pursued the supply situation would have likely worsened. In saying that, it would have meant the 4Es would not have been crushing my positions in China, Manchuria and Korea. A different approach in this new game from Jeff will probably confirm a number of key lessons learnt or perhaps not.

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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/5/2016 7:20:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		TBH I think Jeff chose the approach he did because he thought it would be more fun, not because it was a better strategy. I think he has something against strategic bombing, probably because he wanted the game last longer among other reasons. And he might get more pleasure in smashing troops than smashing factories. Though personally I think smashing industry is even more fun than killing troops :)

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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr- Game over - 8/8/2016 1:21:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi all, the wonderful journey has come to an end on 1st November 45.

The digital servants of the Empire could no longer stand the pummelling and the VP score finally ticked over.

As stated multiple times throughout the AAR Mike (wargmr)was a fabulous opponent and a true gentleman. That now completes two games into 45 for us both with never a dispute but plenty of humour.

I will update with some final scores over the next week.

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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr- Game over - 8/8/2016 1:27:34 AM   
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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr- Game over - 8/8/2016 1:37:15 AM   
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Thank you again my friend for 2 years and 2 wild rides!!

Now you can watch Mr. Kane teach me some humility!!

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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr- Game over - 8/8/2016 2:58:09 AM   
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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr- Game over - 8/8/2016 3:26:11 AM   
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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr- Game over - 8/8/2016 3:27:39 AM   
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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/8/2016 5:17:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		It was a blast to follow. Thanks for taking all the time to document your PBEM and providing such an entertaining game to follow.



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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/8/2016 1:21:32 PM   
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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/8/2016 10:14:37 PM   
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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/8/2016 10:30:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you everyone for their kind words.

I am pleasantly surprised that so many found the game interesting and enjoyable.

When I have more time I will post some key stats and lessons learnt.

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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/8/2016 10:35:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		This was a wonderful game to follow. Both sides were very competent and kept it interesting. I'm very curious to follow both your ongoing games as well.

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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/9/2016 4:31:10 PM   
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Super game, that really breaks new ground.

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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/10/2016 12:45:34 PM   
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Congratulations!

Super game, that really breaks new ground.



Thanks all, thanks Lowpe, I will post some info screens which might be of interest.

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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/10/2016 12:46:08 PM   
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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/10/2016 12:47:35 PM   
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I am sure the B24J number is too light.




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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/10/2016 12:50:18 PM   
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Yes the IJN still had operational quite a few CVs which was very helpful in prolonging the game but their destruction was only a matter of time. The Allies lost just under 30 CVEs, perhaps 25 or so.




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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/10/2016 12:52:23 PM   
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Another 3 BBs for the Allies were sunk but I couldn't fit it on the page and there was 2 crippled IJN BBs at Kobe in port slowly sinking.




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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/10/2016 12:53:44 PM   
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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/10/2016 12:54:45 PM   
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Wanted to include some tank figures




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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/10/2016 12:56:00 PM   
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Impossible to keep them alive above 22!






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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/10/2016 12:56:41 PM   
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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/10/2016 12:57:20 PM   
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RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) - 8/11/2016 2:39:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		wow. very interesting ... thanks for sharing. will take time to fully digest.

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