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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/12/2015 10:19:23 AM   
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Joc I thought I posted about this somewhere 8(


You did in one of the AARs.

I discovered it myself the same morning after musing about not landing in Italy. Too late to change anything and speed up the landing. So now I have to take a massive gamble and land unprepared hoping through some miracle I can grab 10 hexes or I just sit back, take the VP loss and skip Italy all together.

Might actually be a better deal to take the -400 VPs and just skip it all together. Looking at it before my D-day landing I had lost 230 VPs from combat losses and I was still south of Rome. So the 400 penalty might actually be in the region what going up the boot would cost. But you do miss out on the City VPs....

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/12/2015 12:21:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Or split your strike aircraft into different air directives. The 8th is easy to do this with once you get enough bombers and fighters in the 8th. 1000 bombers in each directive for two or three days will usually get good results.

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/12/2015 6:51:41 PM   
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Or split your strike aircraft into different air directives. The 8th is easy to do this with once you get enough bombers and fighters in the 8th. 1000 bombers in each directive for two or three days will usually get good results.


Thats exactly what I have had problems with. I canīt get the bloody 8th to launch a second AD. Even when resetting all setting to the default one they wonīt launch the second AD/target. Only the AD highest in the list is attacked.

Hence Iīve made BC into a "mini 8th". Probably shouldnīt say "mini" though. Its 1200 bombers.

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/12/2015 7:16:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Weird question joc but are you using auto assign aircraft or assigning specific airgroups to each directive?

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/12/2015 7:51:12 PM   
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Weird question joc but are you using auto assign aircraft or assigning specific airgroups to each directive?


I have been using auto. Never thought about manually assigning groups! Tried pretty much everything but not that!

Thanks for the tip! Iīll try it out.

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 6:05:48 AM   
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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 6:57:08 AM   
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I have been using auto.


In fact sometimes you may get more sorties with auto (especially with current flight forming code).

I.e. 2x ADs with 1000 available planes on auto can provide more sorties than each of the ADs with 500 planes attached directly.

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 8:39:09 AM   
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I have been using auto.


In fact sometimes you may get more sorties with auto (especially with current flight forming code).

I.e. 2x ADs with 1000 available planes on auto can provide more sorties than each of the ADs with 500 planes attached directly.


Thanks. Good to know.

Do you know of any reason why I canīt get the 8th to fly a second city attack AD? All setting set to default.

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 8:44:57 AM   
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Turn 28. January 1944
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Last turn of the game?

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Europe
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Since I donīt lose VPs for sending out the 8th and BC I see no reason to let them rest. Only two raids fly though but still a good result considering the weather.

For some reason I canīt find the Screen of Bomber Command but with the US reinforcements they actually do more damage then the 8th. I also gave them two groups of P51s.






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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 8:51:19 AM   
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Do you know of any reason why I canīt get the 8th to fly a second city attack AD? All setting set to default.


Many reasons to choose from. Hard to say without looking at the save.

For example:
- there could be too many damaged planes and doctrine setting would restrict till ready percentage grow.
- morale drop due to the high losses, which is limiting free mileage allowance (this one was improved in the coming patch).
- no available targets. i.e. all factories fowed damage is 100%, so you need to recon them more to find some undamaged sites.
- no supply/fuel at the base.


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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 8:57:44 AM   
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Having completely missed the "no beachhead VP penalty" Iīm forced to land ASAP. I would have needed 4-6 more weeks before I was ready but no one to blame but myself. Didnīt even have time to get the Paras in a position to drop.

4 of the IDs are landing without SUs. The others donīt have optimal SUs.

I had a screen with interdiction showing but it never took for some reason. But its pretty bad as most of my bombers are flying all the way from Sicily and some even from Africa. Most naval hexes are around 4-6. Not enough. On land I decided to try and close more airfields rather then trying to get interdiction up. With the distances involved I could never have gotten numbers enough for it to work. Another 350 German planes destroyed on the ground.

This will fail soooo badly no doubt but I have to try. My letter of surrender is already written and is ready to be sent! My only hope is that the LW has been so hurt the last couple of weeks that he canīt get the usual 99 interdiction up. But looking at Bealfiins AAR it doesnīt seem like the Germans need planes in tenths rather then hundreds to max it out.

So success is extremely unlikely. I give myself a 3-5% chance.




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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 8:58:31 AM   
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Do you know of any reason why I canīt get the 8th to fly a second city attack AD? All setting set to default.


Many reasons to choose from. Hard to say without looking at the save.

For example:
- there could be too many damaged planes and doctrine setting would restrict till ready percentage grow.
- morale drop due to the high losses, which is limiting free mileage allowance (this one was improved in the coming patch).
- no available targets. i.e. all factories fowed damage is 100%, so you need to recon them more to find some undamaged sites.
- no supply/fuel at the base.



Thanks Helpless. Iīll keep on trying to figure it out.

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 9:58:49 AM   
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Turn 29. January 1944
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The hope still lives. Either Pelton needs more time to get the LW into position of Iīve truly hit it harder then I though. My interdiction numbers look really good this time around while the Axis one is really lackluster compared to the usual response.

Shiplosses are dramatic though. 40 Troopships and 60 Cargo. My saving grace was getting some intercepts over land which shot down around 50 Stukas. I wonder if something is broken because I hardly got a single interception over water. But land its working. Seems about the same thing Baelfiin is experiencing in his AAR.






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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 10:30:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Started doing the turn but the daughter woke up so I didnīt have time to finish. Any advice now is the time to share it!

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 11:56:58 AM   
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Started doing the turn but the daughter woke up so I didnīt have time to finish. Any advice now is the time to share it!


no advice, but perhaps going in well north of Rome was to your advantage? At lesat in terms of limiting his initial response?

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 12:41:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		My advice. Leave now! Three amphibs will not suffice. Your about to lose one beach, and none of the others are even supporting one another so they will each be taken. Bad weather, no paras, trying to take a port, and a long way from air bases. I don't mean to be all doom and gloom, but your not going to get the 10hexes, and your going to lose more vp's from all the men your going to lose. You made your situation worse by rushing it.

Taking a port, especially a level one port is not a good idea. If you get it, all you gain is a damaged level one port, and not a temp. port which has a much greater capacity to load and unload troops. I'm not sure, but you may not get a level two air field either hitting a port afterward.

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 1:29:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, choosing to land straight on that port was the second most stupid thing I have done so far. Didnīt even notice it was a port until after the landing...stuuuupid!

You really think Iīm toast? And here I was upping my chances from 3-5% to a strong 8-10%.

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 1:46:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are going to get 4 sided on one beach, 4 or 5 sided on another, and 2 and a half on the last one.
No ground interdiction.
Dead.
I keep saying time and again people cannot afford to do piddly invasions with no ground interdiction . Especially against Pelton.

5 or 6 beaches, make sure your commandos and rangers are going to participate. The utility of paradrops is debatable but potentially useful.

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 2:13:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Para's are essential in my opinion. Not so much as a fighting force, since they were light infantry without support. Their biggest benefit is doing just what you described happened here. He's about to be 4 and 5 sided by several high cv division. If you place your para's into positions that not only support your invasion beaches, but they block and/or slow down any responding units. They also create a lot of interdiction around them, and they are tough to root out. Mostly, you can isolate strong points with them, and have your beaches tentatively connected for the next turn. Just don't break them down into brigade/regiments, because they are usually too weak as a single brig/regiment to stop a response force, and if attacked they cannot retreat. An airborne division can retreat if it has an open hex, and if it's next to an invasion beach, it has a hex to retreat to. Even if it retreats, it blunts any attack, and keeps your beaches from being swarmed on the most vulnerable turn you have, D-Day. Para's have so many subtle uses, but they are a scalpel, not a bat.

They become a bat when they get support units.

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 2:23:17 PM   
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You are going to get 4 sided on one beach, 4 or 5 sided on another, and 2 and a half on the last one.
No ground interdiction.
Dead.
I keep saying time and again people cannot afford to do piddly invasions with no ground interdiction . Especially against Pelton.

5 or 6 beaches, make sure your commandos and rangers are going to participate. The utility of paradrops is debatable but potentially useful.


Yeah, there are two Amphibs missing. They are still only at prepp 20 something and with only two turns to the wonderful "no beachhead" penalty I kind of had/have to try.

I think Iīll stay around for another turn and see how things develop. Iīm screwed anyway so...

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 3:22:07 PM   
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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 4:50:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		In regards to the 8th USAAF. Try to change the days that they are bombing. If the ADs bomb on the same day, then the first defined AD will have priority. If they do different days then they will not conflict as much.

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 5:30:17 PM   
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In regards to the 8th USAAF. Try to change the days that they are bombing. If the ADs bomb on the same day, then the first defined AD will have priority. If they do different days then they will not conflict as much.



Did that. Still no luck. I bet I have messed up the settings somehow with all my tweaking.

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 6:26:06 PM   
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Turn 30. January 1944
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Interesting turn to say the least...the hope still lives. Just not in the way I imagined.

Nothing to report in Europe so lets skip to the Med. Herman will have some explaining to do to his Fuhrer as 800 LW planes are destroyed on their runways.

Thinking Iīm screwed whatever I do I decided to check out whats across Messina. So I sent the failed invasion Amphib down there and sucided a small British brigade across the straights....only to find the entire toe empty!

Halleluja. I figured I have a better chance to grab 10 hexes on the toe even if Pelton sends down everything from Rome than trying it from my current position. So the troops pack up and goes to Europe. II US Corps are sent down to Messina to back up the 8th British Army.

Everything else including the Amphibs are on their way to the UK. Not going to waste anything trying to advance up the toe. Once I run into opposition Iīll just stay put. Not going to start giving away VPs.




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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 6:42:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sure if Pelton could he'd thank you for the new level two airfields. Gods of War smiled on the allies for once!

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 7:41:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think that was just a clever plan to get across the toe unimpeded. You did a great job of selling a major landing, who would think you could just walk over the strait......

Good luck getting past the Crati river though. You may want to prep for another landing up the boot, or just give up at this point, and move to England.

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 7:51:17 PM   
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I think that was just a clever plan to get across the toe unimpeded. You did a great job of selling a major landing, who would think you could just walk over the strait......

Good luck getting past the Crati river though. You may want to prep for another landing up the boot, or just give up at this point, and move to England.


Haha, Thats the drawback of keeping the AAR up to date. If I had been a little behind I could have made up a fine story about my brilliant feint!

Iīm done with Italy though. No point in losing VPs slogging up the boot. The whole point of the game seems to be to do as little combat as possible so Iīll save the VP loss for France as I have to land there before July...

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 7:54:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay Q, we'll go with clever planning!😇 You know I love ya Joc, but don't expect us to start taking hot showers together😉!

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RE: Spanking of the Sheep! - JocMeister(WA) vs Pelton(... - 2/13/2015 8:05:23 PM   
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Okay Q, we'll go with clever planning!😇 You know I love ya Joc, but don't expect us to start taking how showers together😉!


Shower? I just go outside and roll around in the snow once or twice per year.

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