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RE: New Model Indian Army - 4/17/2015 4:21:29 PM

Symon

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Love ya Kelley. No worries.

We can�t do Indian AT squads (Boys, Bazookas, PIATs, T-97s, PTRDs) because if we do it for India, we have to do it for �everybody� and that would be a stone witch. But we do have some nice anti-armor values for squads that aren�t normally armed with an AT weapon. I�m working off muzzle energy, with a factor for bullet type mix (ball, AP). Just for fun here�s some numbers for the various US, Brit, and IJ LMGs and MMGs out there. Surprisingly, the Lewis guns were chambered for both the .303 and 30-06 and could fire either US-M2 or Br-Mk VII (depending on chambering), without difficulty.
US 7.62x63 M2 (BAR & MGs) penetrates 8mm (8.47mm) at 250 yards: ~3.7k joules muzzle energy
Br 7.7x56 MkVIII/z (Vickers) penetrates 7mm (7.26mm) at 250 yards: ~3.6k joules muzzle energy
Br 7.7x56 MkVII (Bren, etc.) penetrates 6mm (6.35mm) at 250 yards: ~3.4k joules muzzle energy
IJ 7.7x58 SRAP (T-92) penetrates 6mm at 250 yards (5.96mm); ~3.3k joules muzzle energy
IJ 6.6x50 SRAP (T-96) penetrates 4mm at 250 yards (4.27mm); ~2.4k joules muzzle energy
So we can tweak certain squad anti-armor values a bit for standard DBB.

In standard DBB, of course, not every squad has an AT weapon; and not every AT weapon has a clear shot; not every AT weapon is on the line ready to boogie; and indeed not every weapon gets a direct 90 degree shot. So squad anti-armor penetration values for ATRs, Bazookas, PIATs, whatever, are reduced according to a set formula, applicable to everybody. That makes it easy because it�s only a Device file hit and can be updated without issues.

[ed] Just a quick question. Do you all really care about this stuff, or would you rather I just go about the business and make it happen, and present it, surprises and all?
Ciao. JWE

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RE: New Model Indian Army - 4/17/2015 5:47:12 PM

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Just a quick question. Do you all really care about this stuff, or would you rather I just go about the business and make it happen, and present it, surprises and all?

Just grip it and rip it!!

All I need is the horsepower rating. Not interested in the compression ratio, torque, type of transmission, etc.

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RE: New Model Indian Army - 4/17/2015 6:02:49 PM

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quote:

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quote:

Just a quick question. Do you all really care about this stuff, or would you rather I just go about the business and make it happen, and present it, surprises and all?

Just grip it and rip it!!

All I need is the horsepower rating. Not interested in the compression ratio, torque, type of transmission, etc.

Don't listen to this wacko!

Give us the gory details!

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RE: New Model Indian Army - 4/18/2015 2:59:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

quote:

Just a quick question. Do you all really care about this stuff, or would you rather I just go about the business and make it happen, and present it, surprises and all?

Just grip it and rip it!!

All I need is the horsepower rating. Not interested in the compression ratio, torque, type of transmission, etc.

Don't listen to this wacko! Give us the gory details!

John please keep at it, I find the "gory details" fascinating.

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RE: New Model Indian Army - 4/19/2015 5:17:45 PM

Symon

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+1 John please keep at it, I find the "gory details" fascinating.

�Gory Details�, okey dokey then. The premise for the whole anti-soft/armor value thing is �the last 100 yards�. The game system is divided into firing phases and assault phases. I chose to make weapon �shooting� values reflect the battlespace paradigm beyond the 100 yard assault edge. Effectivity of an infantry weapon �begins� at 100 yards. That's what was done for the game back in the beginning, and has been there ever since.

Interesting thing about all this is it puts SMGs into a more appropriate perspective. SMGs couldn�t do much at ranges beyond 100 yards. They were useful in the final assault phase, but as �directed� firepower for the �advance to assault� phase, they were clearly not as useful as their raw statistics might suggest.

Infantry AT weapon effectivity/penetration is set at 250 yards for conventional weapons, and at an abstracted range/effectivity parameter for NEAT types (PIAT, Bazooka). There is a �root 2� factor that differentiates AT effect of single shot AT weapons from the AT effect of cyclic weapons.

Checking the sources, I find the PIAT wasn�t even introduced into the Pac Theater till after July 1943; and then it took some months to get into the deployed units. Similarly, the Bazooka wasn�t introduced into the Pac Theater till roughly February 1943. While it didn�t have the pen, range and accuracy problems of the PIAT, it had problems of its own relating to the effects of heat, humidity and salt on its electrical firing system.

Funny thing is that, post war, the Australians did a survey of weapon effectiveness and the Bazooka and PIAT topped the charts, followed by the Bren. Obviously it wasn�t because of their AT capability, it was because of their flexibility; bunker busting, urban door opening, basically a �big� stand-off grenade thrower. Oh my, the paradigms we have to work with. Woof !! Ciao, JWE

[ed] Ya'll want the stats? You might not like them, but I have them, and they work, so long as you aren't a fanboi for either side. JWE

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RE: New Model Indian Army - 4/19/2015 9:29:53 PM

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Ya'll want the stats? You might not like them, but I have them, and they work, so long as you aren't a fanboi for either side. JWE

We can take it! Besides, you can't hear howls of pain over the Inter-webby-tubes unless we link to YouTube or somethin'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dOsbsuhYGQ

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RE: New Model Indian Army - 4/22/2015 6:06:26 PM

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I always have tunes going on a side channel.

Original Bn establishment was based on II/1931/12F/1, April 1940, officially modified by II/1931/12F/2, June,1941, superseded by II/1940/12F/1, August 1941, but modifications only partially implemented till March 1942, due to lack of necessary support weapons for increased establishments. BIA units in Malaya/Burma, including British, were on the 1940 (quasi �41) establishments.

Pretty sure the Burma Rifle infantry units were on the 1940 establishment, throughout, but that is opinion based on inference and is not dispositive. Burmese Frontier Force stuff was pretty poop-hot, well trained, fleshed out to standards, but used a motley of equipment; all of it pretty decent, though.

Original:
HQ Company with the usual HQ, signals, admin, and pioneer platoons, plus:
* AA Platoon � 4x 15cwt trucks, each with a single Lewis or Bren, and carrying a Boys ATR if available.
* Mortar Platoon � 2x 3� mortars, and 1x 15cwt ammo truck also carrying a Boys ATR if available.
* Carrier Platoon � 9x transport (carrier or ACV-IP), each with LMG (Bren or Vickers). One out of each section of 3 carrying a Boys ATR if available
4x Rifle Companies, each comprising:
* 3x Rifle Platoons, each comprising 1x 2� mortar team and 3x rifle sections of 8 men (each section with LMG)

Very thin establishment; basically what the BEF took to France. The modifications of 1941 took the rifle sections up to 10 men, but the rifle platoons were otherwise unchanged, except a Boys ATR was carried, if available in the platoon 15cwt HQ truck, along with the mortar, but no additional personnel were added to operate it. Most modifications were increases to support weapons. The Mortar Platoon increased tubes from 2 to 6, and the Carrier Platoon increased from 3 sections of 3, to 4 sections of 3.

Due to the lack of sufficient quantities of carrier vehicles and 3� mortars, the BIA units in Malaya/Burma only managed to get increases to the rifle sections to 1941 standards, but retained the 1940 standards for support weapons in the battalion HQ company. Notably, for British units, much of the HQ company�s capabilities was taken on by Indian troops. Only BnHQ and Signals Platoon were maintained as �pure� British. Everything else was a motley. This freed up British troops for the rifle section increases and for the unit First Reinforcement (if possible).

Newly raised BIA units, in India, and units deployed from the UK after August, 1941, were �officially� on the new standard, but again, limited availability of support weapons often rendered this nugatory.

August 1941:
HQ Company with the usual HQ, signals, admin, and pioneer platoons, plus:
* AA Platoon � 4x 15cwt trucks, each with a twin Lewis or Bren if possible, and carrying a Boys ATR if available.
* Mortar Platoon � 6x 3� mortars, and 3x 15cwt ammo truck each also carrying a Boys ATR if available.
* Carrier Platoon � 12x transport (carrier or ACV-IP), each with LMG (Bren or Vickers). One out of each section of 3 carrying a Boys ATR if available,
4x Rifle Companies, each comprising:
* 3x Rifle Platoons, each comprising 1x 2� mortar team and 3x rifle sections of 10 men (each section with LMG)

BIA had a mix of Brens and locally produced Vickers-Berthiers. No big since they were substantially similar and fired the same round. Carriers were also a mix of Universal Carriers (tracked) and ACV-IP (wheeled). Carriers were always in short supply, even though India produced 4,550 ACVs (armored carrier vehicles, or armored combat vehicles, if you prefer). They were all-purpose and functioned in the role of carriers, scout cars, armored cars, recce cars, and some were modified as mortar carriers, and 3% modified with the LMGs in a turret. Like the Universal Carrier, the LMG was dismountable from the ACV for tactical use in support of the infantry.

Ciao. JWE

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RE: New Model Indian Army - 4/22/2015 6:26:29 PM

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That's interesting - they were very thin! Picked up Slim's book, Defeat into Victory, but won't have a chance to start it for a bit.

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RE: New Model Indian Army - 4/22/2015 7:10:24 PM

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And that�s about it for life, the universe, and everything, with the exception of the adjunct war establishments, like VI/587, II/116, and the like.

In the Middle East (1942), a platoon got 2 men detailed to platoon HQ to operate a second 2� mortar. In 1943, the platoons got PIATs to replace the Boys, but did not get any extra men to operate them. Infantry AT weapons were held by �higher� and when Mr Tank came calling, you would have to get the weapon and find someone who knew how to use it; �Orderly, get back there and get the Boys (or PIAT) and put it up front and center ! � What!? We don�t have any of them !? � Ohhh, $hit !!� AT weaps were something in the company/platoon weapon pool if it was available.

Then in �42 the brigade level AT units (authorized but realistically, hardly ever instantiated), were bumped down to Bn level and a platoon of 6-8 2pdrs became an AT Platoon within the HQ/Support company, if there were a sufficient number of AT guns to go around. The HQ/Support company became a �catch-all� for support weapons. Carrier and AT platoons would often be substituted with an MMG platoon having 4-6 Vickers. It was very much a �do with what you have� sort of organization. Woof .. !

Ciao. JWE

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RE: New Model Indian Army - 4/22/2015 7:31:35 PM

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That's interesting - they were very thin! Picked up Slim's book, Defeat into Victory, but won't have a chance to start it for a bit.

Slim is great. What he did was exquisite. But the important parts of his book are where he details what he found. We all know what he did with the material.

It�s important to realize that Slim was a Sandhurst product. As such, his innovative methods were impressed over his sense of tactical appropriateness. He did not erase the board and start from scratch, but used his training as a basis and his SE Asian experience as frosting. It�s hard to understand what Slim did without knowing what he had to work with.

Ciao. JWE

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RE: New Model Indian Army - 4/23/2015 7:08:38 AM

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Also look for Slim's "Unofficial History" which covers his time prior to heading to Burma.

Bn CO pre-war, Brigade CO in Eritrea/Abyssinia, Division Commander in Syria, Iraq & Iran

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RE: New Model Indian Army - 4/23/2015 3:56:49 PM

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Another very good book is �Quartered Safe Out Here�, George MacDonald Fraser (yes, the Flashman Fraser): His memoirs as a 19 year old in the Border Regiment in Burma. Lots of detailed stories and vignettes, and a wealth of practical information. As a very erudite 19-year old Lance Corporal, he had this to say of Slim:

�But the biggest boost to morale was the burly man who came to talk to the assembled battalion � it was unforgettable. Slim was like that: the only man I've ever seen who had a force that came out of him � British soldiers don't love their commanders, much less worship them; Fourteenth Army trusted Slim and thought of him as one of themselves, and perhaps his real secret was that the feeling was mutual.�

One can talk about strategic acumen, tactical acuity, and operational brilliance, but a general is always, first and foremost, a leader of his troops. If the troops �trust� the general, there�s nothing they can�t do. And if the general �trusts� his troops, there�s nothing he can�t do. A very symmetrical two-way street.

Ah. The Zen of Command. We have lost so much, in the margins, on our march to modernity, of what Lao Tzu knew so long ago. Ok, ok, taking off the yoga pants

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RE: New Model Indian Army - 4/23/2015 6:36:14 PM

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i dig a little on mine disks and find those it may be of some help, they are all from nafziger archives:

33rd Indian Corps
1 August 1944
Corps General Headquarters:
HQ 33rd Indian Corps
HQ Royal Artillery, 33rd Indian Corps
HQ, 33rd Indian Corps, Employment Platoon
HQ, 33rd Indian Corps, Transport Section
5th S.W. Section
201st S.W. Section
Corps Troops
Artillery
1st Medium Artillery Regiment, less 1 btry, Signal Section & LAD
8th Medium Artillery Regiment, less 1 btry, Signal Section & LAD
67th Heavy AA Regiment and Workshop Section
69th Heavy AA Regiment and Workshop Section
78th Light AA Regiment and Workshop Section
43/2 Survey Battery, RA
44/2 Survey Battery, RA
"D" Troop, 44th Comp Survey Battery (with 23rd Indian Div)
1st (West African) Heavy AA Battery
19/7 (Rajput) Heavy AA Battery (less 1 troop)
C.B. Staff
3rd Indian C.B. Tram.
Engineers
HQ, 33rd Indian Corps Troops Engineers
24th Indian Field Company
67th Indian Field Company
80th Indian Field Company
263nd Indian Field Company
429th Indian Field Company
332nd Indian Park Company
1st Indian Division Bridging Platoon
Suket Division Bridging Platoon
10th (Panthan) Indian Engineer Battalion
HQ 4th Corps Troops Engineers
75th Indian Field Company
4th Indian Field Company
424th Indian Field Company
428th Indian Field Company
15th Indian Division Bridging Train
Signals
33rd Corps Signals
205th Indian Monitoring Section
241st Wireless/Telegraph Section
Infantry:
HQ Assam Zone V Force
1 Det, 3rd V Operations
1 Det, 4th Assam Rifles
Burma Escort Company (Kabaw Valley Detachment)
(Kabaw Det, Burma Regiment)
9th Jats Machine Gun Battalion
80th Indian Infantry Company, 14th Punjab
1Supply Troops:
8th Motor Transport Regiment HQ
37th G.P.T. Company
40th G.P.T. Company
64th G.P.T. Company
160th G.P.T. Company
164th G.P.T. Company
904th Jeep Company & Workshop Section
905th Jeep Company & Workshop Section
HQ American Forward Services.
1st M.A.S. (American Field Service)
2nd M.A.S. (American Field Service)
3rd M.A.S. (American Field Service)
4th M.A.S.
61st M.A.S.
78th D.I.D.
312nd Indian Supply Section (POL)
328th Indian Supply Section
339th Indian Supply Section
495th Indian Supply Section
544th Indian Supply Section
550th Indian Supply Section (POL)
628th Indian Supply Section
54th A.T. Company
75th A.T. Company
Medical
13th Indian C.C.S.
16th Indian C.C.S.
26th Indian C.C.S.
20th Anti-Malaria Unit
20th Anti-Malaria Unit
33rd Indian Anti-Malaria Unit
44th Indian Anti-Malaria Unit
55th Anti-Malaria Unit
68th Anti-Malaria Unit
69th Anti-Malaria Unit
3rd Mobile X-Ray Unit
10th Mobile X-Ray Unit
82nd Mobile X-Ray Unit
5th Indian Mobile Surgical Unit
9th Indian Mobile Surgical Unit
10th Indian Mobile Surgical Unit
14th Indian Mobile Surgical Unit
56th Indian Field Hygiene Section
7th Malarial Forward Treatment Unit (Dimapur)
8th Malarial Forward Treatment Unit (Kohima)
5th Field Transfusion Unit
27th Field Transfusion Unit
5th Bearer Company
67th Indian Staging Section
76th Indian Staging Section
64th Indian Field Ambulance
67th Indian Field Ambulance
9th Indian Light Field Ambulance
17th Indian Dental Unit
219th Indian Dental Unit
44th Indian Sub Depot Medical Stores
No. 1 American Field service Platoon
No. 2 American Field service Platoon
No. 3 American Field service Platoon
No. 4 American Field service Platoon
Provost
33rd Indian Corps Provost Unit
Engineers
19th Indian Ordnance Mobile Cinema Unit
25th Indian Ordnance Mobile Cinema Unit
36th Indian Ordnance Mobile Cinema Unit
5th Indian Mobile Laundry & Bath Unit
11th Indian Ordnance Salvage Unit
14th Ordnance Salvage Unit
19th Indian Ordnance Salvage Unit
37th Indian Ordnance Salvage Unit
HQ 4th Corps O.F.P.
4th Corps Troops& Army Troops Ordnance Sub Park
2nd Division Ordnance Sub Park
5th Indian Division Ordnance Sub Park
11th Division Ordnance Sub Park
17th Indian Division Ordnance Sub Park
20th Indian Division Ordnance Sub Park
23rd Indian Division Ordnance Sub Park
Maintenance
1st Infantry Troops Workshop
60th Indian Workshop Company
81st Indian Workshop Company
112th Indian Workshop Company
328th Line of Communication Rec. Company
333rd Line of Communication Rec. Company
24th Indian Brigade, R.A.S.C. Workshop Platoon
1057th Indian G.P.T. Workshop Section
Remount & Veterinary Troops:
3rd Indian Advance Remount Depot
7th Indian Advance Remount Depot
10th Indian Field Remount Section
15th Indian Field Remount Section
18th Indian Field Remount Section
20th Indian Field Remount Section
3rd Indian Saddle Fitting Team
10th Indian Field Veterinary Hospital
21st Indian Advanced Field Veterinary Hospital
22nd Indian Advanced Field Veterinary Hospital
25th Indian Advanced Field Veterinary Hospital
21st Indian Field Depot Veterinary Stores
22nd Indian Field Depot Veterinary Stores
1st Indian Mobile Veterinary Section
15th Indian Mobile Veterinary Section
Postal
48t Indian Field Post Office
Intelligence:
575th Indian Field Security Section
579th Indian Field Security Section
3589th Indian Field Security Section
590th Indian Field Security Section
598th Indian Field Security Section
3rd Mobile Security SEATIC
2nd Advance F.I.C.
3rd Advance F.I.C.
Det/No. 204 I.F.B.U.
51st Observation Squadron
Survey:
A.D.Survey & Pz.
Det/6th Field Survey Company
33rd Map Supply Section
P&L:
1340th Indian Pioneer Company
1466th Indian Pioneer Company
1467th Indian Pioneer Company
1488th Indian Pioneer Company
Mess Units
No. 3 Mess Unit
No. 41 Mess Unit
No. 138 Mess Unit
No. 162 Mess Unit
No. 163 Mess Unit
No. 342 Mess Unit
No. 336 Mess Unit
No. 388th Mess Unit
No. 1 Sjts Mess Unit
No. 6 Sjts Mess Unit
No. 62 Sjts Mess Unit
Miscellaneous:
25th A.A.S.C.
115th Prisoner of War Cage
"E" Graves Registration Unit
4th Corps Elephant Unit
254th Indian Tank Brigade:
HQ 254th Indian Tank Brigade
254th Indian Tank Brigade HQ> Squadron Tajk Troop
149th Royal Armored Cars (less 1 sqn) & L.A.D.
3rd Dragoon Guards & L.A.D.
7th Cavalry and L.A.D.
3rd Bombay Grenadiers and L.A.d.
401st Indian Field (Engineering) Squadron
254th Indian Tak Brigade Signals Squadron
609th G.P.T. Company
589th Tank Transporter Company
14th Indian Light Field Ambulance (-1 section)
254th Indian Tank Brigade Provost Unit
104th Indian Ordnance Field Park (Tank Brigade)(- det)
Det/2nd Tank Recovery Company
Det/4th Tank Recovery Company
Section, 5th Indian Mobile Workshop Company
72nd Indian Mobile Workshop Company
203rd Mobile Wireless Workshop Section
63rd Indian Field Post Office
42nd Division:
HQ 2nd Division
HQ 2nd Division, Royal Artillery
HQ 2nd Division, Royal Engineers
HQ 2nd Division, R.A.S.C.
HQ 2nd Division, R.E.M.E.
HQ 2nd Division, Defense & Employment Company
2nd Reconnaissance Regiment, Signal Section & L.A.D.
11th Cavalry Regiment
10th Field Regiment, Signal Section & L.A.D.
16th Field Regiment, Signal Section & L.A.D.
99th Field Regiment, Signal Section & L.A.D.
100th Anti-Aircraft/Anti-Tank Regiment, signals section,
Workshop Section (B)(- 2 AA Btrys)
5th Field Company, Royal Engineers
208th Field Company, Royal Engineers
506th Field Company, Royal Engineers
21st Field Park Company & L.A.D. (B)
2nd Divisional Signals & L.A.D. (A)(- Inf Brig Signal Sections)
2nd Manchester Machine Gun Battalion & L.A.D (-1 co)
2nd Division Troop Workshop, E.M.E.
4th Brigade Workshop, E.M.E.
5th Brigade Workshop, E.M.E.
6th Brigade Workshop, E.M.E.
44th A.M. Unit, E.M.E.
8th Infantry Brigade Company, R.A.S.C.
24th Infantry Brigade Company, R.A.S.C.
29th Infantry Brigade Company, R.A.S.C.
387th Divisional Troops, R.A.S.C.
2nd Divisional Provost Unit
2nd Divisional Postal Unit
131st Field Post Office
132nd Field Post Office
133rd Field Post Office
1st British Field Security Section
4th Infantry Brigade
HQ 4th Infantry Brigade & Signal Section
HQ 4th Infantry Brigade Defense Platoon & L.A.D.
HQ 4th Infantry Brigade R.E.M.E. & L.A.D.
7th Worcester Regiment
2nd Dorset
1st Cameron
6th Infantry Brigade
HQ 6th Infantry Brigade & Signal Section
HQ 6th Infantry Brigade Defense Platoon & L.A.D.
HQ 6th Infantry Brigade R.E.M.E. & L.A.D.
1st Royal Welsh Fusiliers
1st Royal Berkshire
2nd Durham Light Infantry
5th Indian Infantry Division:
Main HQ. 5th Infantry Division
Rear HQ. 5th Infantry Division
HQ. Royal Artillery, 5th Indian Division
HQ. 5th Indian Division, Royal Engineers
HQ. 5th Indian Division, Signals
5HQ. 5th Indian Division, Regiment R.I.A.S.C.
HQ. 5th Indian Division, I.E.M.E.
4th Field Artillery Regiment, R.A., Signal Section & L.A.D.
28th (J) Field Regiment, R.A., Signal Section & L.A.D.
56th Anti-Aircraft/Anti-Tank Regiment, Signal Section & L.A.D.
24th Indian Mountain Regiment, Signal Section & L.A.D.
2nd Indian Field Company, R.E.
20th Indian Field Company, R.E.
74th Indian Field Company, R.E.
44th Indian Field Park Company, R.E.
3/2nd Punjab (- 3 cos) (under command of 23rd Indian Division)
HQ, 9th Infantry Brigade, Signals Section & L.A.D. (E)
2nd West Yorkshire
3rd Jat
3/14th Punjab
"D" Coy 3/2 Punjab
HQ 123rd Infantry Brigade, Signals Section & L.A.D.
2nd Suffolks
23/1st Punjab
1st Dogra
"C" Coy 3/2nd Punjab
HQ 161st Infantry Brigade, Signals Section & L.A.D. (E)
4th Royal West Kent
1/1st Punjab
4th Rajput
"A" Coy 3/2nd Punjab
238th I.G.P.T. Company
239th I.G.P.T. Company
240th I.G.P.T. Company
7th Indian Comp Issue Section
60th Indian Comp Issue Section
61st Indian Comp Issue Section
62nd Indian Comp Issue Section
23rd Anti-Tank Company (M)
60th Mule Company
66th Anti-Tank Company (M)
74th Anti-Tank Company (M)
82nd Anti-Tank Company (M)
5th Indian Field Ambulance Troop Cl 1
22nd Indian Field Ambulance Troop Cl 1
23rd Indian Field Ambulance Troop Cl 1
10th Indian Field Ambulance
45th Indian Field Ambulance
75th Indian Field Ambulance
7th Indian Field Hygiene Section
3rd Indian Division Provost Unit
113th Indian Mobile Workshop Company
5th Indian Recovery Coy
2nd Indian Mobile Veterinary Section
21st Indian Field Post Office
22nd Indian Field Post Office
23rd Indian Field Post Office
169th Indian Field Post Office
565th F.S. Section (Intelligence)
67th Indian Division
HQ 7th Indian Division
HQ Royal Artillery, 7th Indian Division
HQ 7th Indian Division Engineers
HQ 7th Indian Division R.I.A.S.C.
HQ 7th Indian Division I.E.M.E.
Division HQ Bn 7/2nd Punjab (less 1 platoon)
1 Btry, 21st Mountain Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Regiment, Signals Section & L.A.D.
62nd Indian Field (Engineer) Company
77th Indian Field (Engineer) Company
421st Indian Field (Engineer) Company
331st Indian Field (Engineer) Park Company
7th Indian Division Signals
20th Anti-Tank Company (M)
57th Anti-Tank Company (M)
63rd Anti-Tank Company (M)
65th Anti-Tank Company (M)
60th G.P.T. Company
130th G.P.T. Company
30th Indian Comp Issue Section
13th Field Ambulance Troop
14th Field Ambulance Troop
18th Field Ambulance Troop
44th Indian Field Ambulance
54th Indian Field Ambulance
66th Indian Field Ambulance
32nd Field Hygiene Section
45th A.M. Unit
7th Indian Division Provost Unit
7th Recovery Company
39th Workshop Company
7th Mobile Veterinary Section
37th Indian Field Post Office
568th Indian Salvage Unit
33rd Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ, 33rd Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ, 33rd Indian Infantry Brigade Signals Section & L.A.D.
1st Queens
4/1st Gurkha Rifles
1st Burma
79th Indian Field Post Office
31st I.C.I.S.
89th Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ, 89th Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ, 89th Indian Infantry Brigade Signals Section & L.A.D.
2nd Kings Own Scottish Borderers
1st Sikh
8/4th Gurkha Rifles
98th Indian Field Post Office
32nd I.C.I.S.
114th Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ, 114th Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ, 114th Indian Infantry Brigade Signals Section & L.A.D.
2nd South Lancashire Regiment
74/14th Punjab
4/5th Gurkha Rifles
39th Indian Field Post Office
29th I.C.I.S.
11th Division
HQ 11th Division
HQ R.A., 11th Division & Signals Section
HQ 11th Division R.E. Signal Section & L.A.D.
HQ 11th Division E.A.A.S.C.
HQ 11th Division R.A.E.M.E.
HQ 11th Division L.A.D.
302nd Field Artillery Regiment EAA, Signals Section & L.A.D.
303rd Field Artillery Regiment EAA, Signals Section & L.A.D.
304th Anti-Tank/Light Artillery Regiment & L.A.D.
54th Field (Engineer) Company EAE
58th Field (Engineer) Company EAE
64th Field (Engineer) Company EAE
52nd Field (Engineer) Park Company
11th Division Signals, Cipher Section & L.A.D.
1st Infantry Brigade Company
2nd Infantry Brigade Company
3rd Infantry Brigade Company
11th Divisional Troop Company
2nd (Z) Field Ambulance
6th (U) Field Ambulance
10th Field Ambulance
71st Field Hygiene Section
60th F.D.S. (Field Dental Service?)
61st F.D.S. (Field Dental Service?)
2004th S.B. Company
11th Division Provost Company
11th Division Army Troops Workshop
1st Infantry Brigade Workshop
2nd Infantry Brigade Workshop
3rd Infantry Brigade Workshop
5th Field S. (Intelligence) Section
11th Division Postal Unit
13th Observation Unit
13th Field Infs. Platoon
11th Division Salvage Unit
21st Infantry Brigade
HQ, 21st Infantry Brigade
21st Infantry Brigade Signals & Cipher Sections & L.A.D.
2nd (NY) Battalion King's African Rifles
4th (U) Battalion King's African Rifles
1st North Rhodesian Regiment
25th Infantry Brigade
HQ, 25th Infantry Brigade
11th (K) Bn, King's African Rifles
26th (TT) Bn, King's African Rifles
34th (U) Bn, King's African Rifles
26th Infantry Brigade
HQ, 26th Infantry Brigade
22nd (NY) Bn, King's African Rifles
36th (TT) Bn, King's African Rifles
844th (U) Bn, King's African Rifles
13th (NY) Bn, King's African Rifles
17th Indian Light Division:
HQ, 17th Indian Light Division
HQ, R.A., 17th Indian Light Division
HQ, 17th Indian Light Division R.I.A.S.C.
HQ, 17th Indian Light Division I.E.M.E.
HQ, 21st Indian Mountain (Artillery) Regiment & Signals Section
1st R. Mountain Battery
6th Mountain Battery
37th Mountain Battery (mortar)
HQ 29th Indian Mountain (Artillery) Regiment & Signals Section
9th Mountain Battery
14th Mountain Battery
38th Mountain Battery (mortar)
HQ 129th Indian Mountain (Artillery) Regiment & Signals Section
311st Field Battery
312th Field Battery
493rd Field Battery
HQ 82nd Light Anti-Aircraft/Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment &
Signals Section
87th Light Anti-Aircraft Battery
88th Light Anti-Aircraft Battery
228th Anti-Tank Battery
276th Anti-Tank Battery
HQ 17th Indian Light Division Engineers
60th Indian Field Company
70th Indian Field Company
414th Indian Field Park Company
17th Indian Light Division Signals
48th Indian Light Brigade Signals Section
53rd Indian Light Brigade Signals Section
4/12th F.F.R.
1st West Yorkshire (Division Special Bn)
7/10th Baluch (Division Recon Bn)
HQ 48th Indian Light Brigade
9th Borderers
1/7th Gurkha Rifles
2/5th Royal Gurkha Rifles
HQ 63rd Indian Light Brigade
1/3rd Gurkha Rifles
1/4th Gurkha Rifles
1/10th Gurkha Rifles
9th Indian Comp. Issue Section
10th Indian Comp. Issue Section
11th Indian Comp. Issue Section
17th Indian Field Ambulance Troop
900th Indian Jeep Company
901st Indian Jeep Company
902nd Indian Jeep Company
906th Indian Jeep Company
45th Indian Mule Company
47th Indian Mule Company
49th Indian Mule Company
52nd Indian Mule Company
917th Division HQ Transport. Section
23rd Indian Field Ambulance
37th Indian Field Ambulance
3rd Indian Bearer Company
4th Indian Bearer Company
22nd Indian Field Hygiene Section
17th Indian Light Division Provost Unit
"B" Sect 51st Ordnance Field Park
33rd Salvage Unit
1st Indian Mobile Workshop Company
39th Indian Mobile Workshop Company
17th Indian Recovery Company
48th Indian L.A.D. Type "F"
63rd Indian L.A.D. Type "F"
4th Indian Mobile Veterinary Section
82nd Indian Field Post Office
97th Indian Field Post Office
100th Indian Field Post Office
602nd Indian F.S. (Intelligence) Section
4th Platoon Burma Intelligence Corps
20th Indian Division:
HQ 20th Indian Division
HQ RA, 20th Indian Division
HQ 20th Indian Division Engineers
HQ 20th Indian Division R.I.A.S.C.
HQ 20th Indian Division I.E.M.E.
4th Madras (less 1 platoon)(Division HQ Bn)
9th Field Regiment, Signals Section & L.A.D.
114th (J) Field Regiment, Signal Section & L.A.D.
53rd Anti-Aircraft/Anti-Tank Regiment & Workshop Section
23rd Indian Mountain Regiment and Signal Section
92nd Indian Field (Engineer) Company
422nd Indian Field (Engineer) Company
481st Indian Field (Engineer) Company
309th Indian Field (Engineer) Park Company
9th Indian Division Bridging Platoon
20th Indian Division Signals
37th Indian Comp Issue Section
38th Indian Comp Issue Section
39th Indian Comp Issue Section
45th Indian Comp Issue Section
100th Indian G.P.T. Company (15 cwt)
102nd Indian G.P.T. Company (15 cwt)
127th Indian G.P.T. Company (3 ton)
628th Indian Supply Section
38th Bakery Section
3rd Indian Field Ambulance Troop
14th Indian Mule Company
30th Indian Mule Company
43rd Indian Mule Company
52nd Indian Mule Company
55th Indian Mule Company
42nd Indian Field Ambulance
55th Indian Field Ambulance
59th Indian Field Ambulance
1020th Indian Anti-Malarial Unit
26th Indian Field Hygiene Section
20th Indian Division Provost Unit
63rd Indian Mobile Workshop Company
64th Indian Mobile Workshop Company
20th Indian Recovery Company
604th Indian F.S. (Intelligence) Section
76th Indian Field Post Office
120th Indian Field Post Office
122nd Indian Field Post Office
123rd Indian Field Post Office
13th Indian Mobile Veterinary Section
32nd Indian Field Brigade
HQ, 32nd Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ, 32nd Indian Infantry Brigade, Signal Section
HQ, 32nd Indian Infantry Brigade, L.A.D. (E)
1st Northamptons
9/14th Punjab
3/8th Punjab
80th Indian Field Brigade
HQ, 80th Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ, 80th Indian Infantry Brigade, Signal Section
HQ, 80th Indian Infantry Brigade, L.A.D. (E)
1st Devonshire
9th F.F.R.
3/1st Gurkha Rifles
100th Indian Field Brigade
HQ, 100th Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ, 100th Indian Infantry Brigade, Signal Section
HQ, 100th Indian Infantry Brigade, L.A.D. (E)
2nd Borderers
14th F.F. Rifles
4/10th Gurkha Rifles
4th Madras (1 platoon)
23rd Indian Division
HQ 23rd Indian Division
HQ 23rd Indian Division Defense & Emplacement Platoon
HQ RA, 23rd Indian Division
HQ 23rd Indian Division Engineers
HQ 23rd Indian Division R.I.A.S.C.
HQ 23rd Indian Division I.E.M.E.
2nd Hyderabad (Division HQ Bn)
158th (J) Field (Artillery) Regiment, Signal Section & L.A.D.
3rd Indian Field (Artillery) Regiment, Signal Section & L.A.D.
28th Indian Mountain (Artillery) Regiment, Signal Section & L.A.D.
2nd Indian Anti-Aircraft/Anti-Tank Regiment, Signal Section
& L.A.D.
2nd Madras Engineer Battalion
68th Indian (Engineer) Field Company
71st Indian (Engineer) Field Company
91st Indian (Engineer) Field Company
323rd Indian (Engineer) Field Park Company
10th Indian Division Bridging Platoon
Section, 442nd Indian Quarrying Company
23rd Indian Divisional Signals
113rd Indian Cypher Section
HQ, 23rd Indian Division Transport Section
21st Mule Company
24th Mule Company
50th Mule Company
61st Mule Company
121st Indian G.P.T. Company
122nd Indian G.P.T. Company
123rd Indian G.P.T. Company
12th Indian Comp Issue Section
13th Indian Comp Issue Section
14th Indian Comp Issue Section
15th Indian Comp Issue Section
7th Indian Field Ambulance Troop
10th Indian Field Ambulance Troop
18th Indian Field Ambulance Troop
24th Indian Field Ambulance
47th Indian Field Ambulance
49th Indian Field Ambulance
23rd Indian Field Hygiene Section
68th A.M.U.
23rd Indian Division Provost Unit
38th Indian Mobile Workshop Company
51st Indian Mobile Workshop Company
1st Indian L.A.D. Type "E"
37th Indian L.A.D. Type "E"
49th Indian L.A.D. Type "E"
23rd Indian Divisional Recovery Company
204th Wireless Workshop Section Type "A"
5th Indian Mobile Veterinary Section
69th Indian Field Post Office
91st Indian Field Post Office
99th Indian Field Post Office
117th Indian Field Post Office
605th Indian F.S. (Intelligence) Section
23rd Indian Divisional Reinforcement Battalion
1st Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ 1st Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ 1st Indian Infantry Brigade, Signals Section
1st Seaforth
1/16th Punjab
1st Patiala Infantry
37th Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ 37th Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ 37th Indian Infantry Brigade, Signals Section
3/3rd Gurkha Rifles
3/5th Gurkha Rifles
3/10th Gurkha Rifles
49th Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ 49th Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ 49th Indian Infantry Brigade, Signals Section
4th Mahrattas
6th Mahrattas
5th Raj Rif
12253rd Sub Area
18th Mahrattas
27th Mahrattas
1st Chamar
256th Sub Area
Kalibahadur Regiment
Abbreviations:
A.M.U.
G.P.T.
I.E.M.E.
L.A.D.
R.I.A.S.C.
R.A.S.C.
- Medical Unit
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- Indian Electricians & Mechanical Engineers
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- Royal Indian Army Service Corps
- Royal Army Service Corps
Prasad, B, Official History of the Indian Armed Forces in the Second
World War 1939-1945, India & Pakistan: Orient Longmans, 1958.
Copyright GFN 1998

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RE: New Model Indian Army - 4/23/2015 6:37:57 PM

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and some more:

British & Indian Forces in Burma
January - July 1944
Long Range Penetration Force (3rd Indian Division)
Lt.Colonel O.Wingate)
14th Long Range Penetration Brigade: (Brigadier T.Brodie)
3/9th Gurkha Rifles
1st Battalion Bedfordshire & Hertfordshire Regiment
7th Battalion Leicestershire Regiment
2nd Battalion Black Watch
2nd Battalion York and Lancaster
16th Long Range Penetration Brigade:
(Brigadier B.E.Ferguson)
51st/69th Field Regiment RA (in infantry role)
2nd Battalion Queen's Own Royal Regiment
2nd Battalion Leicestershire Regiment
45th Recce Regiment (in infantry role)
23rd Long Range Penetration Brigade:
(Brigadier L.E.C.M.Perowne)
12th Field Coy RE
6Oth Field Regiment RA (in infantry role)
2nd Battalion Duke of Wellington's Regiment
4th Battalion The Border Regiment
1st Battalion The Essex Regiment
77th Long Range Penetration Brigade (Brigadier J.M.Calvert)
Mixed Field Coy, RE/IE
1st Battalion King's (Liverpool) Regiment
1st Battalion Lancanshire Fusiliers
1st Battalion South Staffordshire Regiment
3/6th Gurkha Rifles
111th Long Range Penetration Brigade:
(Brigadier W.D.A.Lentaigne, replaced by Brigadier
J. Masters)
Mixed Field Coy RE/IE
2nd Battalion King's Own (Lancaster) Regiment
1st Battalion Cameronians
3/4th Gurkha Rifles
4/9th Gurkha Rifles
3rd (West African) Long Range Penetration Brigade:
(Brig A H Gillmore)
7th West African Field Coy (WA Engineers)
6th Battalion Nigeria Regiment
7th Battalion Nigeria Regiment
8th Battalion Nigeria Regiment
12th Battalion Nigeria Regiment
XV Corps (Cristinson)
XV Corps Troops
25th Dragoons IAC (75mm Lee-Grant)
81st West African Reconnaissance Regiment
3rd Gwailor Lancer Battalion ISF
6th Medium Regiment (25 Pdr)
8th (Belfast) Heavy Anti-Air Regiment (3.7" AA)
23rd Engineer Battalion IE
24th Engineer Battalion IE
36th Light Anti-Air Regiment (40mm Bofors AA)
15th Mahratta Anti-Tank Regiment (6 Pdr AT)
17th Regiment Indian Engineers
12th Frontier Force Machine Gun Battalion
5 Commando
44 Royal Marine Commando
5th Indian Division
3/2 Pujab Battalion
5th Division Engineer Battalion
4th Field Regiment RA (25 Pdr)
28th Jungle Field Regiment RA (4.5in How)
24th Indian Mountain Artillery Regiment (3.7in Mnt How)
56th Light AA/AT Regiment RA (40mm Bofors AA)
5th Division Engineer Battalion
9th Indian Infantry Brigade
123rd Indian Infantry Brigade
161st Indian Infantry Brigade
7th Indian Division
1/11 Sikh Battalion
7th Division Engineer Battalion
3rd Gwalior Lancers Reconaissance Battalion ISF
(Horsed Element)
136th Field Regiment RA (25 Pdr)
139th Jungle Field Regiment RA (4.5in How)
25th Indian Mountain Artillery Regiment (3.7in Mnt How)
24th Light AA/AT Regiment RA (40mm Bofors AA)
33rd Indian Infantry Brigade
89th Indian Infantry Brigade
81st West African Division
1st West African Light AA/AT Regiment
2nd West African Light Artillery Regiment
3rd West African Light Regiment
(3.7in AA)
11th East African Scout Battalion
5th West African Infantry Brigade
6th West African Infantry Brigade
25th Indian Division
8th Field Regiment RA (25 Pdr)
27th Jungle Field Regiment RA (4.5in How)
5th Indian Field Regiment (25 Pdr)
1st Indian Infantry Brigade
53rd Indian Infantry Brigade
74th Indian Infantry Brigade
26th Indian Division (Lomax)
7th Indian Field Regiment (25 Pdr)
160th Jungle Field Regiment (4.5in How)
30th Indian Mountain Artillery Regiment (3.7in Mnt How)
4th Indian Infantry Brigade
36th Indian Infantry Brigade
71st Indian Infantry Brigade
Large Engineer forces were employed improving
communications and building airfields.
IV Corps: (Scoones)
7th Armourd Regiment R.A.C (US 75mm Lee Grant)
254th Indian Tank Brigade
8th Medium Regiment (25 Pdr)
12th Anti-Air Regiment (3.7in AA)
23rd Anti-Tank Regiment (6 Pdr ATG)
15th Regiment Indian Engineers
17th Indian Division:
28th Jungle Field Regiment (4.5in How)
15th Indian Field Regiment (25 Pdr)
13th Indian Infantry Brigade
9th Indian Infantry Brigade
11th Indian Infantry Brigade
20th Indian Division:
29th Jungle Field Regiment (4.5in How)
17th Indian Field Regiment (25 Pdr)
23rd Indian Infantry Brigade
9th Indian Infantry Brigade
21st Indian Infantry Brigade
23rd Indian Division:
34th Jungle Field Regiment (4.5in How)
25th Indian Field Regiment (25 Pdr)
31st Indian Infantry Brigade
29th Indian Infantry Brigade
41st Indian Infantry Brigade
XXXIII Corps (Stopford) - Army Reserve
18th Medium Artillery Regiment (25 Pdr)
12th Heavy Artillery Regiment R.A (7.2in howitzers)
4th Anti-Air Regiment
(6 Pdr AAG)
6th Anti-Tank Regiment (6 Pdr ATG)
16th Regiment Indian Engineers
50th Tank Brigade
50th Indian Parachute Brigade
2nd (British) Division
28th Medium Artillery Regiment (25 Pdr)
31st Jungle Field Regiment (4.5in howitzers)
45th Infantry Brigade
32nd Infantry Brigade
6th Infantry Brigade
19th Indian Division
38th Jungle Field Regiment (3.7in Mountain howitzers)
28th Indian Field Regiment (25 Pdr)
36st Indian Infantry Brigade
16th Indian Infantry Brigade
45th Indian Infantry Brigade
Nationalist Chinese Forces
12 Chinese Infantry Divisions
(Yoke Force)
Northern Combat Area (Gen J. Stilwell)
22nd Chinese Lend lease Division
(Gen Liao)
30th Chinese Lend Lease Division
(1 Regiment consisted of 3 US Battalions)
38th Chinese Divisions
(Gen Sun)
5307th Brigade (Galahad Force consisted of 9 US Battalions)
Theatre Reserve
11th East African Division
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In Ceylon
99th Indian Brigade
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In Ceylon
82nd West African Division
-
In India completing training
(C) GFN
1996

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British Eastern & Southern Armies
Burma
21 April 1942
Eastern Army (Ranchi): Lt. General Sir Charles Broad
Assam Division (Jorhat)
1st Infantry Brigade
9th Anti-Aircraft Brigade
XV Indian Corps: Lt. General Sir Noel Beresford-Peirse
14th Indian Division: (Comilla) Maj.Gen. Lloyd
47th Infantry Brigade
49th Infantry Brigade
Garrison Battalions at Dacca & Chittagong
26th Indian Division: (Calcutta) Maj.Gen.Heywood
4th Infantry Brigade
71st Infantry Brigade
109th Infantry Brigade
1st Anti-Aircraft Brigade
Sundarbans Flotilla
IV Corps: (Ranchi) Lt. General N.M.S.Irwin
70th British Division: (Ranchi) Maj.Gen.Symes
14th Infantry Brigade
1st Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire
2nd York and Lancaster Regiment
2nd Black Watch
14th Infantry Brigade Anti-Tank Company
23rd Infantry Brigade
1st Essex
4th Border
1st South Staffordshire
23rd Infantry Brigade Anti-Tank Company
23rd Indian Division: (Ranchi) Maj.Gen.Savory
37th Infantry Brigade
123rd Infantry Brigade
Attached:
50th Army Tank Brigade (Poona)
Southern Army (Bangalore): General Sir Brodie Haig
19th Indian Division: (Madras) Maj.Gen.Scoones
62nd Infantry Brigade
64th Infantry Brigade
98th Infantry Brigade
20th Infantry Division (Bangalore)
32nd Infantry Brigade
51st Infantry Brigade
53rd Infantry Brigade
Attached:
251st Indian Armored Brigade (moving to Secunderabad)
Joslen, Lt. Col. H.F., Orders of Battle, Second World
Her Majesty's Stationary Office, 1960.
War,
1939-1945,
Kirby, Stanley, Woodburn, The War Against Japan, London, Her Majesty's
Stationary Office, 1961.
Copyright GFN 1991

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British Forces in Burma
30 April 1942
Corps Troops
7th Armored Brigade
7th Hussars
2nd Royal Tank Regiment
1st West Yorkshire Regiment
414th Battery, RHA
"A" Battery, 95th Anti-Tank Regiment, RA
Artillery:
HQ 28th Mountain Regiment
5th Indian Mountain Battery
28th Indian Mountain Battery
1st Burma Division:
Divisional Troops:
HQ 27th Indian Mountain REgiment
2nd Indian Mountain Battery
23rd Indian Mountain Battery
56th Field Company, S&M
Malerkotla Field Company, S&M
50th Field Park Company S&M
1st Burma Rifles
5th Burma Rifles
7th Burma Rifles
12th Burma Rifles
1st Gloucestershire Regiment
13th Indian Brigade:
1st Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
5/1st Punjab Regient
1/18th Royal Garhwal Rifles
1st Burma Brigade:
1st Cameronians
2nd King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry
2/7th Rajput Regiment
2nd Burma Brigade:
2nd Burma Rifles
8th Burma Rifles
8th Frontier Force
17th Indian Division:
Divisional Troops:
HQ 1st Indian Field Regiment
1st Indian Field Battery
12th Indian Mountain Battery
15th Indian Mountain Battery
5th Indian Anti-Tank Battery
8th Indian Heavy Anti-Aircraft Battery
3rd Indian Light Anti-Aircraft Battery
24th Field Company, S&M
60th Field Company, S&M
70thField Company, S&M
5/17th Dogra Regiment
16th Indian Brigade:
2nd Duke of Wellington's Regiment
11/9th Royal Jat Regiment
7/10th Baluch Regiment
4/12th Frontier Force Regiment
63rd Indian Brigade:
1/11th Sikh Regiment
2/13th Frontier Force Regiment
1/10th Gurkha Rifles
48th Indian Brigade:
1/4th Gurkha Rifles
Composite Battalion
1/3rd Gurkha Rifles
2/5th Royal Gurkha Rifles
Composite Battalion
1/7th Gurkha Rifles
3/7th Gurkha Rifles
Note: By this date the average battalion strength was about 400 men.
Kirby, Stanley, Woodburn, The War Against Japan, London, Her Majesty's
Stationary Office, 1961.
Copyright GFN 1992

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26th Indian Infantry Division
23 April 1943
Commanding Officer:
Major General C.E.N.Lomax
Divisional Troops:
99th Field Regiment, RA
130th Field Regiment, RA
23rd Indian Mountain Regiment
44th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment
28th Field Company
72nd Field Company
73rd Field Company
The Sirmoor Field Company
2/8th Punjab Regiment
9th Jat Machinegun Battalion
4th Indian Infantry Brigade: Brigadier A.W.Lowther
2nd Durmah Light Infantry
3/9th Gurkha Rifles
7/15th Pujnab Regiment
8/8th Pujnab Regiment
6th British Infantry Brigade: Colonel B.H.Hopkins
1st Royal Scots
1st Royal Welch Fusileirs
1st Royal Berkshire Regiment
36th Indian Infantry Brigade: Brigadier L.C.Thomas
1st North Staffordshire Regiment
8/13th Frontier Force Rifles
5/16th Pujnab Regiment
Mayforce: Brigadier A.C.Curtis
1/17th Dogra Regiment
1/15th Punjab Regiment (1 co)
4th Burma Regiment (1 co)
55th Indian Infantry Brigade: Brigadier J.M.Hunt
2/1st Punjab Regiment
6/11th Sikh Regiment
1/15th Pujnab Regiment (less 1 co)
1st Lincolnshire Regiment (1 co)
10th Lancashire Fusiliers (1 co)
Burma Regiment (1 co)
71st Indian Infantry Brigade: Brigadier G.G.C.Bull
1st Linconshire (1 co)
9/15th Punjab Regiment (1 co)
Kirby, Stanley, Woodburn, The War Against Japan, London, Her Majesty's
Stationary Office, 1961.

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i have those files and probably more in pdf format so i can zip them and post if pp think there is use of them...

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Thank you very much 'urtel', but the forum has moved to other spaces, and our paradigms don't work here, anymore. Thanks again and I hope you can help the modders who are defining the new spaces.

Got a fresh leg of venison and made up a quart of marinade. Sauerbraten city, here we come !! Woo Woo

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