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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/16/2015 4:03:13 AM

Rio Bravo

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ORIGINAL: Simonsez

Just curious. In one of the screen shots above, you show many units receiving upgrades and replacements at Pearl. Are your replacement pools deep enough to fill out these units? Reason I ask is that you might want to selectively target units (perhaps you have and its just this screen shot that seems odd) for replaces and upgrades at this time as you could find pools empty when you want to upgrade key combat/frontline units. Looks like a lot of non-combat units on that list. I'd understand the replacements as many US base forces and AA units are understrength at the start of the game, but are you sure you want these units to upgrade too?

Welcome to The War College Simon-

For now, yes. I have stripped Pearl and sent infantry, base forces, artillery, and AA units to Tahiti, India and Australia. So, I wanted what was left to be as strong as possible as I have like 500 aircraft at Pearl.

A couple U. S. Marine regiments are on their way to Pearl to give Pearl some infantry strength. But, I am considering using those regiments to assault Marcus Island.

Anyways, thank you for mentioning something I may have over-looked and something I do need to pay more attention too as I haven't really turned off any upgrades for any troops or aircraft or ships.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/16/2015 12:24:02 PM

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Methinks you need to check that aggressive streak and bide your time for a bit longer.

Marcus is extremely isolated. Likely lightly defended and would be able to take it rather easily if you get there undetected without a reaction from the KB.

Question is what do you do with it after you have it. The ability to station LBA there would be limited.

Certainly not enough capacity to protect itself from a KB raid.

How are you going to continue to support it. The sea route there has no LBA cover of your own so will be solely dependent on your carriers for escort which places them and the transports at risk form a KB strike.

Not sure if the Marianas are close enough for Netty range, but this would also be a very large factor if it is.

You have to work to suppress that urge to "do something, do anything" to strike back.

Judging form your last map post your opponent is way, way behind the expansion curve in the DEI, NG, Admiralties, Solomons and Gilberts.

For petes sake he hasn't even taken Rabaul yet.

You would be far better served using your Marcus force to start building bastions in those locales where you can cover yourself with LBA.

It's always advisable to start the game with the upgrade, replacement and base building toggles set to off.

You can then prioritize by manually enabling the ones you want.

< Message edited by HansBolter -- 10/16/2015 1:32:02 PM >

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/16/2015 6:37:12 PM

Rio Bravo

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Combat Report

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April 1, 1942

That Damn Rising Red Sun Captures Kukong and Madioen:

Ground combat at Kukong (79,57)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19582 troops, 237 guns, 59 vehicles, Assault Value = 666

Defending force 7376 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 297

Japanese adjusted assault: 616

Allied adjusted defense: 61

Japanese assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kukong !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), op mode(-), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
344 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
3181 casualtis reported
Squads: 145 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 131 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 23 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (6 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
104th/A Division
19th Ind.Mixed Brigade
102nd Infantry Regiment
104th/B Division
2nd RF Gun Battalion
1st JAAF AF Coy
5th RF Gun Battalion
47th JAAF AF Bn
21st Mortar Battalion
2nd JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
86th Chinese Corps

The 86th Chinese Corps continues to fight, but has taken a real beating for the last few weeks.

And

Ground combat at Madioen (54,104)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16908 troops, 251 guns, 51 vehicles, Assault Value = 552

Defending force 396 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 489

Allied adjusted defense: 4

Japanese assault odds: 122 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Madioen !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
75A-7 Hawk: 6 destroyed
CW-21B Demon: 9 destroyed
B-339D: 5 destroyed
L-18 Lodestar: 12 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Allied ground losses:
246 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Assaulting units:
55th Infantry Regiment
33rd Division
5th Mortar Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Rgt /3

Defending units:
Madion Base Force

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/16/2015 6:50:23 PM

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quote:

Anyways, thank you for mentioning something I may have over-looked and something I do need to pay more attention too as I haven't really turned off any upgrades for any troops or aircraft or ships.

You'll really should start to be on top of this. Upgrades require large bases and supply so that means units based in CONUS or well behind the front lines are sure to take the lion's share if you leave upgrades and replacements on without managing them. This will mean your restricted units (LCU's and air groups) get fat and happy and your front line units will suffer. Your ships will automatically enter refit mode if they are in port and you won't be able to do anything about it until the refits are completed. As Hans mentioned, it would be best to turn off all upgrades and reinforcements for all unit types (planes, LCU's and ships) and they go back through and manage it more carefully. It could really bite you later in the game or at best will limit your options at exactly the wrong time. Food for thought.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/16/2015 6:50:51 PM

Rio Bravo

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quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Methinks you need to check that aggressive streak and bide your time for a bit longer.

Marcus is extremely isolated. Likely lightly defended and would be able to take it rather easily if you get there undetected without a reaction from the KB.

Question is what do you do with it after you have it. The ability to station LBA there would be limited.

Certainly not enough capacity to protect itself from a KB raid.

How are you going to continue to support it. The sea route there has no LBA cover of your own so will be solely dependent on your carriers for escort which places them and the transports at risk form a KB strike.

Not sure if the Marianas are close enough for Netty range, but this would also be a very large factor if it is.

You have to work to suppress that urge to "do something, do anything" to strike back.

Judging form your last map post your opponent is way, way behind the expansion curve in the DEI, NG, Admiralties, Solomons and Gilberts.

For petes sake he hasn't even taken Rabaul yet.

You would be far better served using your Marcus force to start building bastions in those locales where you can cover yourself with LBA.

It's always advisable to start the game with the upgrade, replacement and base building toggles set to off.

You can then prioritize by manually enabling the ones you want.

Hans-

Well, damn!

I have the same problem anywhere...everywhere...the damn KB!

I guess, for now, I will just leave the two Marine regiments at Pearl (when they get there).

I am going to have this same problem at Dutch Harbor. A BF, Construction Engineer, AA Unit, are presently in route to Dutch Harbor. Two U.S. Army Regiments arrive as reinforcements in two days and I was planning to send one of them to Dutch Harbor and the other to Adak Island.

And yes, I do need to pay more attention to the whole Upgrade thing.

Thank you for trying to keep my wings clipped, Hans.

Best Regards,

Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/16/2015 7:13:11 PM

Rio Bravo

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Simonsez

quote:

Anyways, thank you for mentioning something I may have over-looked and something I do need to pay more attention too as I haven't really turned off any upgrades for any troops or aircraft or ships.

You'll really should start to be on top of this. Upgrades require large bases and supply so that means units based in CONUS or well behind the front lines are sure to take the lion's share if you leave upgrades and replacements on without managing them. This will mean your restricted units (LCU's and air groups) get fat and happy and your front line units will suffer. Your ships will automatically enter refit mode if they are in port and you won't be able to do anything about it until the refits are completed. As Hans mentioned, it would be best to turn off all upgrades and reinforcements for all unit types (planes, LCU's and ships) and they go back through and manage it more carefully. It could really bite you later in the game or at best will limit your options at exactly the wrong time. Food for thought.

Simon-

I will turn off all upgrades on April 2, 1942.

I will try to find information in the manual as to Base Size and amount of supply needed to upgrade ground and air forces. I seem to recall reading something about a minimum of 25,000 supply is required, but not sure about that.

I will get back to you when I learn the required procedure to upgrade units. And, I will get back to you regarding which force(s) I intend to upgrade first.

Thank you for your help.

Best Regards,

-Terry

*posting another sticky note on my monitor entitled "Upgrades" and chuckling*

< Message edited by Rio Bravo -- 10/16/2015 8:47:55 PM >

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/16/2015 7:35:23 PM

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Another good rule of thumb is to never allow a unit that is restricted that you want to buy out someday to take replacements or upgrade unless the theater it is restricted to becomes a combat zone and you need to flesh the unit out to full strength to fight.

The cost to buy out in PPs is based on unit strength, so keep them understrength until AFTER you buy them out.

In India and Oz this is, of course, dependent on the need or lack thereof to use the units for active defense.

In CONUS you have almost no reason to let units take replacements or upgrades unless they are already unrestricted.

The cost of switching a base command is also dependent on the levels of airfields and ports, so buy them out BEFORE you build them up heavily.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/16/2015 7:51:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Another good rule of thumb is to never allow a unit that is restricted that you want to buy out someday to take replacements or upgrade unless the theater it is restricted to becomes a combat zone and you need to flesh the unit out to full strength to fight.

The cost to buy out in PPs is based on unit strength, so keep them understrength until AFTER you buy them out.

In India and Oz this is, of course, dependent on the need or lack thereof to use the units for active defense.

In CONUS you have almost no reason to let units take replacements or upgrades unless they are already unrestricted.

The cost of switching a base command is also dependent on the levels of airfields and ports, so buy them out BEFORE you build them up heavily.

Hans-

I have already notice that when my restricted units grow in strength it costs more PPs to buy them out. Wish I would have paid attention to this sooner.

Why would I want to change a Base Command?

Lastly, I am hoping, that to upgrade ground unit devices they don't have to be at a national base?

As always, thank you for your input, Hans!

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/16/2015 8:55:11 PM

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There is very little need for changing base commands unless you want to be able to air transport a restricted unit there by changing the command to match that of the restricted unit.

Typically, this technique is used to be able to evacuate Dutch units to Oz.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/16/2015 10:08:37 PM

Rio Bravo

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

There is very little need for changing base commands unless you want to be able to air transport a restricted unit there by changing the command to match that of the restricted unit.

Typically, this technique is used to be able to evacuate Dutch units to Oz.

Hans-

Well, damn!

Wish I would have thought of this on day one of the outbreak of hostilities! I could have flown the Dutch air forces out of harms way.

Best Regards,

-Terry

P.S. Just sent EL Lobo turn 117 with all ground and air unit upgrades turned off except the 1st Motor Brigade of I Australian Corps.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/17/2015 3:03:16 AM

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To answer your question about land unit upgrades - they can upgrade anywhere there is enough supply and devices in the pools, but will upgrade faster if at a large base with lots of supply and in the presence of a command HQ. If there are too few devices to go around, I think the AI does the upgrades in the order of the database reference number for the unit - found near the top left of the unit screen, assuming all the units needing the devices are set to upgrade.
The only sure way to direct them where you want them to go is to turn off all upgrades and stockpile, then when you have enough, turn on upgrades for the target unit and release the stockpile.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/17/2015 8:06:04 PM

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Combat Report

for

April 2, 1942

Bataan Falls:

Ground combat at Bataan (78,77)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 40187 troops, 470 guns, 349 vehicles, Assault Value = 1230

Defending force 15528 troops, 286 guns, 276 vehicles, Assault Value = 130

Japanese adjusted assault: 656

Allied adjusted defense: 95

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Bataan !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
953 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 36 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
19240 casualties reported
Squads: 346 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 852 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 117 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 314 (314 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 147 (147 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 28

Assaulting units:
56th Engineer Regiment
21st Ind. Engineer Regiment
9th Infantry Regiment
148th Infantry Regiment
16th Engineer Regiment
2nd Tank Regiment
20th Infantry Regiment
3rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
65th Naval Guard Unit
113th Infantry Regiment
65th Brigade
2nd Engineer Regiment
2nd Recon Regiment
56th Recon Regiment
16th Recon Regiment
62nd Infantry Brigade
5th Amphibious Brigade
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
48th Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
56th Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Engineer Construction Battalion
9th Field AF Construction Battalion
56th Const Co
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
Manila Bay Defenses
4th Marine Regiment
4th PA Constabulary Regiment
2nd PA Constblry HW Regiment
Bataan USN Base Force
192nd Tank Battalion
I Philippine Corps
194th Tank Battalion
1st PA Infantry Division
88th PS Field Artillery Regiment
Provisional GMC Grp
1st PA Constabulary Regiment
803rd Engineer Aviation Battalion
201st PA Construction Battalion
Far East USAAF
2nd/45th PS Inf Battalion
57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team
1st/45th PS Inf Battalion
91st PA Infantry Division
11th PA Infantry Division
31st Infantry Regiment
21st PA Infantry Division
Asiatic Fleet
71st PA Infantry Division
2nd PA Constabulary Regiment
202nd PA Construction Battalion
26th PS Cavalry Regiment
301st PA Field Artillery Regiment

Japanese Force 81st Chinese Corps to Retreat at Paotow:

Ground combat at Paotow (92,34)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3396 troops, 44 guns, 100 vehicles, Assault Value = 113

Defending force 1381 troops, 25 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 18

Japanese adjusted assault: 64

Allied adjusted defense: 25

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
383 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
1st Cavalry Brigade
4th Cavalry Brigade
3rd Ching An Tui Brigade

Defending units:
81st Chinese Corps

Japanese Force 3rd Provisional Chinese Corps to Retreat Near Chengting:

Ground combat at 92,38 (near Chengting)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 6832 troops, 52 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 254

Defending force 3739 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 149

Japanese adjusted assault: 170

Allied adjusted defense: 43

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
198 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1230 casualties reported
Squads: 26 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 42 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 10 (3 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
11th Indpt Infantry Regiment
12th Indpt Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
3rd Prov Chinese Corps

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/17/2015 8:08:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

To answer your question about land unit upgrades - they can upgrade anywhere there is enough supply and devices in the pools, but will upgrade faster if at a large base with lots of supply and in the presence of a command HQ. If there are too few devices to go around, I think the AI does the upgrades in the order of the database reference number for the unit - found near the top left of the unit screen, assuming all the units needing the devices are set to upgrade.
The only sure way to direct them where you want them to go is to turn off all upgrades and stockpile, then when you have enough, turn on upgrades for the target unit and release the stockpile.

BBfanboy-

Thank you for the information.

I will start the device upgrades in India. The Allied forces are concentrated by Command in major cities with good supply.

As always, your input is both welcome and appreciated.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/17/2015 10:39:19 PM

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HansBolter, BBfanboy, and Simonsez-

Pursuant to your joint consensus, information, advice, and recommendation, on April 2, 1942 I turned off all ground and aircraft forces upgrades. On April 3, 1942, I turned on upgrades for all ground forces in India, Australia, Tahiti, and the Gulf of Alaska. I am considering turning on upgrades for all ground forces on Ceylon.

Thank you Allied War College Cabinet members!

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/18/2015 12:51:15 PM

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Combat Report

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April 3, 1942

The Imperial Japanese Army must have all got hammered and are hung over from celebrating their capture of Bataan as their ground forces didn't attack anywhere and very few Japanese aircraft left the ground to bomb anywhere.

I am hoping they stay drunk and hung-over for months.

Rat bastards!

*laughing*

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/18/2015 6:58:00 PM

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Australia Situation

as of

April 3, 1942

Forts

The Wyalla-Brisbane Line Bases (i.e., Whyalla, Port Augusta, Broken Hill, Bourke, Toowoomba, and Brisbane) and all Bases South thereof have size three (3) forts except for the following Bases:

Whyalla: 2
Tamworth: 2
Mildura: 2
Geelong: 2
Sale: 2
Port Kembla: 2
Roto: 1

In addition, Alice Springs has a fort size of three (3).

All Forts continue to build (along with all air bases).

Ground Forces

Each of the bases on the Whyalla-Brisbane Line; each of the bases South of the Whyalla-Brisbane Line; and Alice Springs are garrisoned with an Assault Value close too or above 100.

United States ground forces have arrived, as follows:

Melbourne

F Detachment Port Service

*This Detachment will soon head for India to support Operation Land Shark.

At Wagga Wagga:

5 Artillery Regiments
4 Artillery Battalions

4 AA Regiments
5 AA Battalions

118th USAAF BF
119th USAAF BF

The following units are South of New Zealand heading for Melbourne and then to Wagga Wagga:

The 19th, 21st, 27th, and 35th Infantry Regiments, and the 102nd Combat Engineer.

*When it is believed that Australia is no longer threatened, the Wagga Wagga units will head to India to support Operation Land Shark.

At Bathurst

I Amphibious Corps Headquarters
2nd USMC Parachute Battalion
1st, 2nd, and 3rd Marine Raider Battalions
2nd, 3rd, and 4th USMC Defense Battalions
8th Marine Regiment
2nd Marine FA Battalion
2nd Tank Battalion
USMC Engineer Regiment
101st USN BF
225th USN BF

The following units are South of New Zealand heading for Melbourne and then to Bathurst:

2nd Marine Infantry Regiment and the 1st USMC Defense Battalion.

The remaining regiment of the 2nd Marine Division (the 6th Marine Regiment) arrives in San Diego in 41 days and will head for Bathurst.

*When it is believed Australia is no longer threatened, the Bathurst units will head to Pearl Harbor to support Operation Sea Shark.

End Note

Though Australia is not exactly terribly strong, I do think that should the Japanese invade Australia, it is highly unlikely the Evil Empire would be able to capture Adelaide, Melbourne, or Sydney.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/18/2015 7:44:17 PM

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Cape Town Ground Forces

Waiting to Be Bought Out

To Be Shipped to India

Please note that all II U.S. Fighter Squadrons, V U.S. Bomber Squadrons, and the Tenth Air Force are either already in route to India or are already in India.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/18/2015 8:01:42 PM

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U. S. Ground Forces in India

as of

April 4, 1942

The 132nd Infantry Regiment is two days off the coast of Bombay.
The 182nd Infantry Regiment, 810th and 811th EABs, and 70th Cst AA Regiment is at Bombay.

The above units and the Cape Town units (when bought out) will join the already garrisoned units at Hyderabad.

Three New Zealand Armor units will be bought out under the ABDA Command and sent to join the ABDA garrisoned units already at Jalgaon.

Add the 78th Cst AA Regiment to the screenshot shown for Hyderabad below.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/18/2015 9:13:18 PM

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Major Garrisons in India

as of

April 4, 1942

517 AV: Karachi; primarily India Northern Command units
2,226 AV: Hyderabad (Sindh); primarily Chinese Command units
1,802 AV: Amedabad; primarily I Australian Corps units
422 AV: Surat; primarily India Eastern Command units
616 AV: Bombay; primarily India Southern Command units
247 AV: Jalgaon; all ABDA units
745 AV: Bhopal; primarily III India Corps units
1,446 AV: Cawnpore; primarily Burma Corps units
675 AV: Hyderabad; primarily U.S. Arm units
341 AV: Bangalore; primarily India Southern Command units
713 AV: Madras; primarily India Southern Command units
177 AV: Calcutta; primarily India Southern Command units

The Eastern Army Command 45th Recon, and the 14th, 16th, and 23rd British Infantry Regiments are one week off the coast of Karachi.

Also, keep in mind the U.S. units at Cape Town waiting to be bought out, the three New Zealand Armor units waiting to be bought out, and the U.S> Army units at Wagga Wagga or heading there. All of these units are earmarked for India too.

The following screenshot shows III India Corps units garrisoned at Bhopal.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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< Message edited by Rio Bravo -- 10/18/2015 10:13:37 PM >

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/19/2015 5:08:56 AM

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Combat Report

for

April 4, 1942

A bad day to be a Chinese soldier.

Japanese Nudge Chinese to Retreat Near Patung:

Ground combat at 82,46 (near Patung)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 66148 troops, 544 guns, 116 vehicles, Assault Value = 2301

Defending force 18013 troops, 96 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 497

Japanese adjusted assault: 1610

Allied adjusted defense: 289

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1568 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 89 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled

Allied ground losses:
6474 casualties reported
Squads: 352 destroyed, 33 disabled
Non Combat: 263 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 21 (8 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Units retreated 7

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
35th Division
13th Division
61st Infantry Brigade
116th Division
34th Division
32nd Division

Defending units:
59th Chinese Corps
41st Chinese Corps
39th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
33rd Group Army
48th Chinese Corps
4th Construction Regiment

Japanese Push Back the 86th Chinese Corps Near Kukong:

Ground combat at 79,56 (near Kukong)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5847 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 210

Defending force 4184 troops, 33 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 139

Japanese adjusted assault: 123

Allied adjusted defense: 55

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: op mode(-), leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1288 casualties reported
Squads: 69 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 49 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
19th Ind.Mixed Brigade

Defending units:
86th Chinese Corps

22nd Chinese Corps Bites the Dust Near Tienshui:

Ground combat at 82,38 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20222 troops, 124 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 703

Defending force 627 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Japanese adjusted assault: 707

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 707 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
808 casualties reported
Squads: 43 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 36 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
59th Infantry Brigade
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
4th Garrison Unit

Defending units:
22nd Chinese Corps

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/20/2015 3:04:28 PM

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Combat Report

for

April 5, 1942

Japanese Force Chinese to Retreat Near Ankang:

Ground combat at 81,41 (near Ankang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 11009 troops, 186 guns, 384 vehicles, Assault Value = 461

Defending force 8070 troops, 101 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 234

Japanese adjusted assault: 368

Allied adjusted defense: 160

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
103 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
367 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
3rd Tank Regiment
5th Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
1st Recon Regiment
4th Ind.Mixed Brigade
26th Recon Regiment
51st Road Const Co
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
52nd Road Const Co

Defending units:
95th Chinese Corps
20th Group Army

Japanese Wipe Out Madien Base Force Near Soerabaja:

Ground combat at 55,104 (near Soerabaja)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16918 troops, 251 guns, 51 vehicles, Assault Value = 554

Defending force 173 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 319

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 319 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Allied ground losses:
230 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
55th Infantry Regiment
33rd Division
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
5th Mortar Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Rgt /3

Defending units:
Madion Base Force

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/20/2015 10:51:11 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

HansBolter, BBfanboy, and Simonsez-

Pursuant to your joint consensus, information, advice, and recommendation, on April 2, 1942 I turned off all ground and aircraft forces upgrades. On April 3, 1942, I turned on upgrades for all ground forces in India, Australia, Tahiti, and the Gulf of Alaska. I am considering turning on upgrades for all ground forces on Ceylon.

Thank you Allied War College Cabinet members!

Best Regards,

-Terry

One more thought on the upgrade trail .... many of the units in India have very poor leaders and what is worse, they carry a 50+ PP cost to replace!

Those units are basically garrison or cannonfodder in my books! I have never had enough PP to consider using 50+PP to gain an LCU worth a max of 29 AV.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/21/2015 5:31:32 PM

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Combat Report

for

April 6, 1942

95th Chinese Corps Remains Tough Near Ankang!

Ground combat at 81,41 (near Ankang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10954 troops, 186 guns, 384 vehicles, Assault Value = 446

Defending force 6943 troops, 101 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 204

Japanese adjusted assault: 293

Allied adjusted defense: 118

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
352 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 56 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Recon Regiment
5th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
26th Recon Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
51st Road Const Co
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
52nd Road Const Co

Defending units:
95th Chinese Corps

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/21/2015 5:34:54 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

HansBolter, BBfanboy, and Simonsez-

Pursuant to your joint consensus, information, advice, and recommendation, on April 2, 1942 I turned off all ground and aircraft forces upgrades. On April 3, 1942, I turned on upgrades for all ground forces in India, Australia, Tahiti, and the Gulf of Alaska. I am considering turning on upgrades for all ground forces on Ceylon.

Thank you Allied War College Cabinet members!

Best Regards,

-Terry

One more thought on the upgrade trail .... many of the units in India have very poor leaders and what is worse, they carry a 50+ PP cost to replace!
Those units are basically garrison or cannonfodder in my books! I have never had enough PP to consider using 50+PP to gain an LCU worth a max of 29 AV.

BBfanboy-

I agree. Especially considering I still have numerous restricted U.S. Army troops sitting in Cape Town waiting to be bought out so that they can be shipped to India.

For now, buying out those units are my top Political Points priority.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/21/2015 5:58:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

HansBolter, BBfanboy, and Simonsez-

Pursuant to your joint consensus, information, advice, and recommendation, on April 2, 1942 I turned off all ground and aircraft forces upgrades. On April 3, 1942, I turned on upgrades for all ground forces in India, Australia, Tahiti, and the Gulf of Alaska. I am considering turning on upgrades for all ground forces on Ceylon.

Thank you Allied War College Cabinet members!

Best Regards,

-Terry

One more thought on the upgrade trail .... many of the units in India have very poor leaders and what is worse, they carry a 50+ PP cost to replace!
Those units are basically garrison or cannonfodder in my books! I have never had enough PP to consider using 50+PP to gain an LCU worth a max of 29 AV.

BBfanboy-

I agree. Especially considering I still have numerous restricted U.S. Army troops sitting in Cape Town waiting to be bought out so that they can be shipped to India.

For now, buying out those units are my top Political Points priority.

Best Regards,

-Terry

I had another look at some of those small units in India/Burma, and a lot of the units have leaders with PP cost of 30, not 50, but I still think I saw some that cost 50. May have been in the larger units like Brigades.
To clarify, I was talking just about the cost to get a decent leader in the unit. The cost of buying out the unit to an unrestricted HQ is on top of that!

Most players do what you have done - buy the US units first because they have good firepower and their device pools are decent too, meaning you can get replacements after battle.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/21/2015 9:19:10 PM

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In India comb through the garrison units to locate the handful of British units with medium to high experience and replace them with Indian units with crappy experience so you can fee up the better unit.

I'm talking about units like the Somerset Light Infantry Battalion that is garrisoning a base with a garrison requirement.

Find an available crappy experience Indian battalion to replace it and free it up for purchase and use at the front.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/22/2015 12:54:01 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

HansBolter, BBfanboy, and Simonsez-

Pursuant to your joint consensus, information, advice, and recommendation, on April 2, 1942 I turned off all ground and aircraft forces upgrades. On April 3, 1942, I turned on upgrades for all ground forces in India, Australia, Tahiti, and the Gulf of Alaska. I am considering turning on upgrades for all ground forces on Ceylon.

Thank you Allied War College Cabinet members!

Best Regards,

-Terry

One more thought on the upgrade trail .... many of the units in India have very poor leaders and what is worse, they carry a 50+ PP cost to replace!
Those units are basically garrison or cannonfodder in my books! I have never had enough PP to consider using 50+PP to gain an LCU worth a max of 29 AV.

BBfanboy-

I agree. Especially considering I still have numerous restricted U.S. Army troops sitting in Cape Town waiting to be bought out so that they can be shipped to India.

For now, buying out those units are my top Political Points priority.

Best Regards,

-Terry

I had another look at some of those small units in India/Burma, and a lot of the units have leaders with PP cost of 30, not 50, but I still think I saw some that cost 50. May have been in the larger units like Brigades.
To clarify, I was talking just about the cost to get a decent leader in the unit. The cost of buying out the unit to an unrestricted HQ is on top of that!

Most players do what you have done - buy the US units first because they have good firepower and their device pools are decent too, meaning you can get replacements after battle.

BBfanboy-

Right now, 30 PPs is too much to buy a good Indian Leader.

There are many other units I'd rather use my PPs for, for the next few months. Including, but not limited too, buying out all transport aircraft. I think I am going to need a huge armada of transport aircraft to take supply to china, once the Allies launch operation Land Shark.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/22/2015 12:55:10 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

In India comb through the garrison units to locate the handful of British units with medium to high experience and replace them with Indian units with crappy experience so you can fee up the better unit.

I'm talking about units like the Somerset Light Infantry Battalion that is garrisoning a base with a garrison requirement.

Find an available crappy experience Indian battalion to replace it and free it up for purchase and use at the front.

Hans-

Sounds like a good idea.

I will review all the garrisons in India and swap garrison forces where appropriate based on your input.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/22/2015 5:27:52 PM

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Combat Report

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April 7, 1942

Japanese Amphibious Assault Puerto Princesa:

Amphibious Assault at Puerto Princesa (73,83)

TF 2 troops unloading over beach at Puerto Princesa, 73,83

Japanese Bombard Chinese Near Ankang:

Ground combat at 81,40 (near Ankang)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 63571 troops, 1175 guns, 886 vehicles, Assault Value = 2025

Defending force 75052 troops, 425 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2558

Allied ground losses:
269 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st Engineer Regiment
24th Division
12th Division
27th Electric Engineer Regiment
28th Engineer Regiment
23rd Division
36th Division
26th Engineer Regiment
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
22nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
45th Road Const Co
3rd RF Gun Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Field Artillery Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Army
9th Ind. Engineer Regiment
Mongol Garrison Army
24th Ind. Engineer Regiment
22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th Ind. Engineer Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Ind. Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Army
48th Road Const Co
7th RF Gun Battalion
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
46th Const Co
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
47th Road Const Co
5th Army
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
56th JAAF AF Bn
6th Army
49th Const Co
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
26th Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th RF Gun Battalion
4th RF Gun Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
12th Army
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
46th Road Const Co
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Field Artillery Regiment
45th Const Co
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
68th JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
2nd Chinese Corps
60th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
4th Chinese Corps
55th Chinese Corps
99th Chinese Corps
75th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
23rd Group Army
26th Group Army

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 10/23/2015 4:38:10 PM

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Combat Report

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April 8, 1942

El Lobo Captures Puerto Princesa and Soerabaja:

Ground combat at Puerto Princesa (73,83)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 510 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 23

Defending force 155 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4

Japanese adjusted assault: 12

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Puerto Princesa !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
181 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 17 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
1st Sasebo SNLF Coy

Defending units:
2nd PI Base Force

And

Ground combat at Soerabaja (56,104)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 39704 troops, 532 guns, 377 vehicles, Assault Value = 1230

Defending force 9920 troops, 50 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 222

Japanese adjusted assault: 764

Allied adjusted defense: 105

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Soerabaja !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed
PBY-5 Catalina: 6 destroyed
Do-24K-1: 2 destroyed
DB-7B: 4 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
592 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 52 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 18 (3 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
5566 casualties reported
Squads: 54 destroyed, 46 disabled
Non Combat: 149 destroyed, 39 disabled
Engineers: 64 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 53 (52 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 8

Assaulting units:
21st Infantry Regiment
8th Tank Regiment
15th Guards Regiment
21st Division
33rd Division
5th Guards Cav Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
5th Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
12th Base Force
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
35th JNAF AF Unit
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
Southern Fleet /2

Defending units:
Artilleriecommando Coastal Gun Battalion
3rd KNIL Landstorm Battalion
2nd KNIL Landstorm Battalion
Marinier Battalion
Commandement Marine
MLD
2 ML-KNIL Aviation
Soerabaja Base Force

Best Regards,

-Terry

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