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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/23/2015 7:17:29 AM   
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I am obviously from Canada....that is the blip to the north of USA. Specifically from northern Alberta near mile 0 of Alaska highway. I know there are 3-4 other active Canucks on here.

There are some interesting common denominators in reading this thread: early interest in history and reading (much to my mother's dismay I read rise and fall of 3rd Reich when 12), early war gaming (I started when 11), some model builders, and many ex-military...at least amongst the Yanks. It strikes me that the demographics put 80% of us in the 45-60 yr range, obviously most with post-secondary schooling (I have 2 degrees). I wonder if the generations behind us are here and I'm missing them or whether our ilk are a dying breed?


The Boomers and early Gen Xers grew up with board games and some of the younger of us had something like an Atari while teens. Computers really weren't capable of doing even a reasonable job with a complex wargame until the late 80s. The early wargames were essentially translations of board games onto the screen. As computing power continued to improve, game makers added more eye candy in the way of graphics and real time features.

The Millennials mostly grew up with live action, real time games. Games that require you sit back and think about it a bit is alien. So I'm not surprised this is mostly an older person hobby.

As far as the demographics go, I'm not a perfect fit, but close:

History and reading at an early age - I was always a history geek, but a bit slow in picking up reading for entertainment. My 10 year older sister was reading voraciously by age 3, can read blindingly fast, and I just felt I couldn't "compete". I did become much more of a reader as a teen and always had a pleasure reading book in my bag during college.
Model building - Started at age 3 and have an embarrassingly large stash of unbuilt models today.
Ex-military - never went that route. I knew I would chafe at the culture and I probably would have been 4F anyway (bad knees).
45-60 - Lower end of that range, very early Gen X.
Post secondary - Only a bachelors. Got accepted to grad school but decided not to go.

Bill


Born in 1980 ... There is hope? Jocmeister and Obvert are also around my age I think? Never served in the military but I did qualify as an engineer/deck officer for freighters (got about 330 sea days) before getting a Bachelor of Engineering.


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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/23/2015 1:33:32 PM   
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NY- Peekskille MA
El Paso - BT & AIT
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......50odd years....(yes, some were quite odd)

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/23/2015 3:30:55 PM   
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I meet all the qualifications except for education. It appears my lack of education makes me look like a fern amongst a forest of redwoods.

I did qualify for an advanced degree from the University of California at Hard Knoxx .


Thought this was about where we are from. Not our creds.

Don't knock yourself for the lack of an education.

I'm a self taught architect with neither a degree nor a license and serve in the same capacity as any other staff architect and am recognized in the design community in the Tampa Bay area as one of the most competent around.

Personally, I have had the severe displeasure of being forced to work with far too many degreed and licensed incompetent buffoons to ever be gullible enough to accept possession of them as adequate indicators of intelligence and competence.

Been playing wargames for 42 years having cut my teeth on the Avalon Hill and SPI classics of the 1970s.

My collection of board wargames is well over 200. I was a beta tester for Avalon Hill's classic Advanced Third Reich with my name appearing in the design credits.

Don't really know if those are adequate creds to impress anyone and really don't care.

I was mostly joking. I am impressed by the level of education in this group. I am not always impressed by someone
having a degree. I've known too many people with degrees whose IQ squared was still a single digit number. But the
knowledge of the members on this forum is staggering and never ceases to amaze.

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/23/2015 5:51:26 PM   
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I got into war gaming with Avalon Hill's Midway in the mid 1960s and here I am today.

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/23/2015 6:16:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wdolson


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ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

I am obviously from Canada....that is the blip to the north of USA. Specifically from northern Alberta near mile 0 of Alaska highway. I know there are 3-4 other active Canucks on here.

There are some interesting common denominators in reading this thread: early interest in history and reading (much to my mother's dismay I read rise and fall of 3rd Reich when 12), early war gaming (I started when 11), some model builders, and many ex-military...at least amongst the Yanks. It strikes me that the demographics put 80% of us in the 45-60 yr range, obviously most with post-secondary schooling (I have 2 degrees). I wonder if the generations behind us are here and I'm missing them or whether our ilk are a dying breed?


The Boomers and early Gen Xers grew up with board games and some of the younger of us had something like an Atari while teens. Computers really weren't capable of doing even a reasonable job with a complex wargame until the late 80s. The early wargames were essentially translations of board games onto the screen. As computing power continued to improve, game makers added more eye candy in the way of graphics and real time features.

The Millennials mostly grew up with live action, real time games. Games that require you sit back and think about it a bit is alien. So I'm not surprised this is mostly an older person hobby.

As far as the demographics go, I'm not a perfect fit, but close:

History and reading at an early age - I was always a history geek, but a bit slow in picking up reading for entertainment. My 10 year older sister was reading voraciously by age 3, can read blindingly fast, and I just felt I couldn't "compete". I did become much more of a reader as a teen and always had a pleasure reading book in my bag during college.
Model building - Started at age 3 and have an embarrassingly large stash of unbuilt models today.
Ex-military - never went that route. I knew I would chafe at the culture and I probably would have been 4F anyway (bad knees).
45-60 - Lower end of that range, very early Gen X.
Post secondary - Only a bachelors. Got accepted to grad school but decided not to go.

Bill


Forgive me as I may make multiple posts here, sifting through the thread in the airport as I catch up on what I missed this week...

First, my strongest reaction is to the perception of Millennials as having short attention spans for games, more action games, etc. I'm smack in the middle of said generation (b. 1986). I grew up when computers "came of age", as it were. It's been very interesting. I observe strong differences between myself and others just a few years older or just a few years younger - there is such a difference in my cohort within just a few years. The rate of change of technology definitely has a lot to do with this. People just a few years my senior do tend to be a bit more disconnected, more old school, than those a few years my junior - but this is by no means true of all of them. Some of those older than I are more connected/pugged in than I am, and some of those younger than I display technology habits more reminiscent of Boomers. It's somewhat comical to me that just last night I was sitting in a bar and the Boomer couple next to me was taking selfies and Snapchatting/Instragramming, while I was reading my tablet and am in a domestic relationship with a veritable Luddite who sends maybe 5 texts per year. In any case, I digress... I meant to make the point that the perception of Millennials as being all into fast paced action games or simple mobile games is probably missing the mark, in that if you look more broadly at gaming you'll notice that it's a universal trend. As gaming becomes more popular, more people play. Those Millennials (and others) who flock to games such as Call of Duty, Wii-style group games, MMOs, and mobile games may not have gamed at all if the technology for these games didn't exist. I think we're just witnessing the universalization of gaming. The degree to which gaming has become accepted, and in some cases encouraged, within our culture compared to just 10 years ago is astounding to me whenever I step back to think about it.


In any case, my origin story, which I've probably related several times in various forms:

Got an NES for Christmas in 1990. It came with Super Mario 3/Duck Hunt combo. It was awesome. Even before that, I'd played arcade-style games forever. My father purchased about a dozen over the years from auctions at the state fairgrounds. My parents still have 7 of them. My mother wants to get rid of them, and I'd love to have them/restore them if I had the resources, but I don't. They have several classics. A table-style Dig-Dug, Zaxxon, Rastan (OK less of a classic but a great game), Centipede, and Baby Pac-Man. Great stuff.

I didn't watch a lot of TV growing up, played outside in the woods building forts and stuff instead (does that sound like your typical Millennial, eh?), but I'd see commercials for games like BattleQuest I think it was called. I ended up getting a game for Christmas one year in maybe 6th or 7th grade. I forget the name, but it was very similar in backstory to Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It was played on a vinyl map with large hexes. There were the forces of the Empire and Chaos + beasties. There were several scenarios, and a big plastic tower and plastic hedges to flesh out the map with extra terrain. It was great. I think it was called Battle Masters. I still have that stuff, though it was long ago co-opted for use as Warhammer/40K pieces.

Around the same time, I met a friend who introduced my to Pacific Theater of Operations: 2 on SNES. I must've played that for hundreds or thousands of hours via video rental stores. I'd rent for a weekend and never leave the house. When I could afford to rent it again, usually no one else had rented it in between so my saved games remained. I eventually purchased it in high school or college. Occasionally I will pull up the soundtrack on YouTube while I'm doing a turn at work...

Other than that, I was always drawn to the WW2 section of the local library. I must've checked out that Campaign for Guadalcanal book a dozen times a year, just for the drawings of ships. I built models, and preferred WW2 planes and eventually moved on to ships. Also dabbled in rocketry. I liked the books with picture sections, so I could flip to the pictures in between chapters and browse. My mother had a copy of the Midway novel, and I eventually watched the film - Henry Fonda, I believe. Decent flick. IIRC it used actual footage from the battle, yes?

Never went military, although I almost did. In some ways, I wish I had - the benefits to veterans are great. Anything to get a leg up these days... My first year at college, I was having some troubles. I went to the Navy recruiter's office after winter break. After some tests and whatnot, they wanted to make me a "Nuke". I hesitated. I wasn't sure I was really "into" the modern Navy, and that I'd probably get disillusioned. Obviously, I ended up not doing it, but the reason why was a girl. Figures, right? That decision shaped my life in a lot of ways. Don't know where I'd be if I'd gone through with it. Possibly not on these forums.


And these days, I live in Maryland just outside of DC. I think that's included in the "Eastern USA" off-map hex in the game . I'm from Des Moines, IA, originally.

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/24/2015 3:46:14 AM   
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I was mostly joking. I am impressed by the level of education in this group. I am not always impressed by someone
having a degree. I've known too many people with degrees whose IQ squared was still a single digit number. But the
knowledge of the members on this forum is staggering and never ceases to amaze.


A friend of mine has described some people as knowing the specific gravity of marmalade, but unable to get the lid off the jar.

I've known many a Mensan who may have done well at school, but completely failed life.

Bill



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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/24/2015 4:13:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Forgive me as I may make multiple posts here, sifting through the thread in the airport as I catch up on what I missed this week...

First, my strongest reaction is to the perception of Millennials as having short attention spans for games, more action games, etc. I'm smack in the middle of said generation (b. 1986). I grew up when computers "came of age", as it were. It's been very interesting. I observe strong differences between myself and others just a few years older or just a few years younger - there is such a difference in my cohort within just a few years. The rate of change of technology definitely has a lot to do with this. People just a few years my senior do tend to be a bit more disconnected, more old school, than those a few years my junior - but this is by no means true of all of them. Some of those older than I are more connected/pugged in than I am, and some of those younger than I display technology habits more reminiscent of Boomers. It's somewhat comical to me that just last night I was sitting in a bar and the Boomer couple next to me was taking selfies and Snapchatting/Instragramming, while I was reading my tablet and am in a domestic relationship with a veritable Luddite who sends maybe 5 texts per year. In any case, I digress... I meant to make the point that the perception of Millennials as being all into fast paced action games or simple mobile games is probably missing the mark, in that if you look more broadly at gaming you'll notice that it's a universal trend. As gaming becomes more popular, more people play. Those Millennials (and others) who flock to games such as Call of Duty, Wii-style group games, MMOs, and mobile games may not have gamed at all if the technology for these games didn't exist. I think we're just witnessing the universalization of gaming. The degree to which gaming has become accepted, and in some cases encouraged, within our culture compared to just 10 years ago is astounding to me whenever I step back to think about it.


Nothing with humans is ever 100%. There are Millennials who like this game such as yourself, but I have noticed that younger gamers more often want a lot of action and older gamers tend to be more comfortable with the slower pace of a strategy game.

I noticed a sharp difference between those born before 1966. I was born in 1966 and through high school, my grade always had far more discipline problems and more learning problems than the year before. I went to three different schools, one was ranked as tied for the best K-8 school in Los Angeles County, and another was an elite high school with a lot of kids turned away every year. The year ahead in all three schools was well behaved, and kept on pace. My classes always lagged behind what was expected and had a lot of discipline problems. One of my teachers in high school told us we were the worst junior class (year 3) the school had ever had, but from what he heard about the current sophomore class (year 2), we were going to make them look like geniuses.

Depending on who you refer to the demarcation line between the generations is different. Many sources I've seen start GenX around the mid-60s at some point and end it around 1980. From what I saw between those born in 1965 and 1966, I think the line was right there.

That said, I always related better to Boomers than GenX. Even today I have more Boomer friends than GenX or later. My SO is a Boomer and we do relate quite well culturally, though our tastes in music are very different. She hates 80s music and that was the music of my youth. She likes punk (she was even in a punk band once) and grunge and I like neither.

In my case, my family and how I grew up probably had something to do with it. My parents were in their 40s when I came along, so they were the generation that raised the Boomers and there were few kids in my neighborhood. When I was a little kid, all the other kids were teenagers and by the time I was 6-7 almost all the neighbors were empty nesters. So there was no pack of kids my age to hang out with. Most of the people I related to were around my parents' age. That probably made me think more like a Boomer than a GenX.

I've also noticed a big demarcation around 1955. Those born before then more often have trouble grokking computers than those born 1955 or later. Those born in the mid-50s were the first generation to experience calculators in college. The concept of electronic aids came into their consciousness before they finished growing up so when computers came along, they took to them quite easily. Now I have known quite gifted programmers born in the 30s, and some younger people who can't figure out how to turn on a computer, but it seems more common that those born 1955 and later tend to have fewer problems with the basics of computers.

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In any case, my origin story, which I've probably related several times in various forms:

Got an NES for Christmas in 1990. It came with Super Mario 3/Duck Hunt combo. It was awesome. Even before that, I'd played arcade-style games forever. My father purchased about a dozen over the years from auctions at the state fairgrounds. My parents still have 7 of them. My mother wants to get rid of them, and I'd love to have them/restore them if I had the resources, but I don't. They have several classics. A table-style Dig-Dug, Zaxxon, Rastan (OK less of a classic but a great game), Centipede, and Baby Pac-Man. Great stuff.

I didn't watch a lot of TV growing up, played outside in the woods building forts and stuff instead (does that sound like your typical Millennial, eh?), but I'd see commercials for games like BattleQuest I think it was called. I ended up getting a game for Christmas one year in maybe 6th or 7th grade. I forget the name, but it was very similar in backstory to Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It was played on a vinyl map with large hexes. There were the forces of the Empire and Chaos + beasties. There were several scenarios, and a big plastic tower and plastic hedges to flesh out the map with extra terrain. It was great. I think it was called Battle Masters. I still have that stuff, though it was long ago co-opted for use as Warhammer/40K pieces.

Around the same time, I met a friend who introduced my to Pacific Theater of Operations: 2 on SNES. I must've played that for hundreds or thousands of hours via video rental stores. I'd rent for a weekend and never leave the house. When I could afford to rent it again, usually no one else had rented it in between so my saved games remained. I eventually purchased it in high school or college. Occasionally I will pull up the soundtrack on YouTube while I'm doing a turn at work...

Other than that, I was always drawn to the WW2 section of the local library. I must've checked out that Campaign for Guadalcanal book a dozen times a year, just for the drawings of ships. I built models, and preferred WW2 planes and eventually moved on to ships. Also dabbled in rocketry. I liked the books with picture sections, so I could flip to the pictures in between chapters and browse. My mother had a copy of the Midway novel, and I eventually watched the film - Henry Fonda, I believe. Decent flick. IIRC it used actual footage from the battle, yes?

Never went military, although I almost did. In some ways, I wish I had - the benefits to veterans are great. Anything to get a leg up these days... My first year at college, I was having some troubles. I went to the Navy recruiter's office after winter break. After some tests and whatnot, they wanted to make me a "Nuke". I hesitated. I wasn't sure I was really "into" the modern Navy, and that I'd probably get disillusioned. Obviously, I ended up not doing it, but the reason why was a girl. Figures, right? That decision shaped my life in a lot of ways. Don't know where I'd be if I'd gone through with it. Possibly not on these forums.


And these days, I live in Maryland just outside of DC. I think that's included in the "Eastern USA" off-map hex in the game . I'm from Des Moines, IA, originally.


It sounds like you had a childhood a bit like previous generations like I did.

Bill


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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/24/2015 7:18:00 AM   
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So what is the specific gravity of marmalade?

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/24/2015 7:28:39 AM   
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Beats me, though I would guess it's more than 1.

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/24/2015 12:46:18 PM   
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I was born in North Carolina in 1954. Lived most of my life in the land of the Cherokee.
Joined the Navy twice. Don’t regret it.

I started with plastic toy soldiers and board games in the early 1960’s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VA6PwvvS04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_rQKK33R5M

Played a lot of paintball in the 1980’s. I’m too old and slow now.

I’m good with computers but my profession (Architect) demands it.
I like computer action games as well. But not so much anymore, my reflexes have slowed down too.

I don’t miss the 1960’s. It was a bad decade.

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/24/2015 5:31:48 PM   
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Born 1950. Grew up on AH wargames since 1960's. Retired after 35 years in finance industry. Now live in Glendora, CA.

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/24/2015 10:18:55 PM   
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Born 1973, never been in the army (managed a year in the cadets!)

Started off with Spec 48K games like Arnhem, and played the odd board war game, specifically "Russian Front"

Moved on to WITE then wandered over here

Strangely, wargaming is not even my main hobby, which is getting very annoyed at Burnley FC

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/24/2015 10:32:49 PM   
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I meet all the qualifications except for education. It appears my lack of education makes me look like a fern amongst a forest of redwoods.

I did qualify for an advanced degree from the University of California at Hard Knoxx .


Thought this was about where we are from. Not our creds.

Don't knock yourself for the lack of an education.

I'm a self taught architect with neither a degree nor a license and serve in the same capacity as any other staff architect and am recognized in the design community in the Tampa Bay area as one of the most competent around.

Personally, I have had the severe displeasure of being forced to work with far too many degreed and licensed incompetent buffoons to ever be gullible enough to accept possession of them as adequate indicators of intelligence and competence.

Been playing wargames for 42 years having cut my teeth on the Avalon Hill and SPI classics of the 1970s.

My collection of board wargames is well over 200. I was a beta tester for Avalon Hill's classic Advanced Third Reich with my name appearing in the design credits.

Don't really know if those are adequate creds to impress anyone and really don't care.

I was mostly joking. I am impressed by the level of education in this group. I am not always impressed by someone
having a degree. I've known too many people with degrees whose IQ squared was still a single digit number. But the
knowledge of the members on this forum is staggering and never ceases to amaze.

Thinking about it I am not very surprised that so many are well educated. For me this game is all about learning (history, mechanics, strategies etc etc) and unless you enjoy to the process of learning youre likely not going to bother with this game for very long.

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/24/2015 11:39:07 PM   
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Oops - broke the rules with two posts!


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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/24/2015 11:48:29 PM   
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Guys I F***D up. I posted twice on the original thread.

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/25/2015 12:03:45 AM   
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Born in Brooklyn NYC and grew up and lived most of my life in NYC. Still work in Brooklyn. Live in Northport, a village on the north shore of Long Island. until recently a lobster fishing village. I'm of European decent, mostly English, and my family has been in the country since before the Revolution. They fought on the losing side but we decided to stay on anyway. Big mistake....not staying here, that worked out.....leaving the Crown. Not so sure that was a good idea

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/25/2015 2:57:43 AM   
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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/25/2015 10:44:02 AM   
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Obviously, I ended up not doing it, but the reason why was a girl. Figures, right? That decision shaped my life in a lot of ways. Don't know where I'd be if I'd gone through with it. Possibly not on these forums.


And these days, I live in Maryland just outside of DC. I think that's included in the "Eastern USA" off-map hex in the game . I'm from Des Moines, IA, originally.


Ahh, so many decisions made for just the same reason!

I teach a lot of kids now born after I graduated from HS, and it's pretty odd to watch how they deal with technology. Much more into the phone and anything it offers, including games. At homie though games are just the norm, and it's mostly Assassin's Creed, Grand Theft Auto, Halo, etc. I try to ask them a lot about this stuff to know them better, but it's almost like they never even think other people don't do exactly what they do. They have a hard time often understanding that I would need this stuff explained!



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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/25/2015 1:54:00 PM   
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I am obviously from Canada....that is the blip to the north of USA. Specifically from northern Alberta near mile 0 of Alaska highway. I know there are 3-4 other active Canucks on here.

There are some interesting common denominators in reading this thread: early interest in history and reading (much to my mother's dismay I read rise and fall of 3rd Reich when 12), early war gaming (I started when 11), some model builders, and many ex-military...at least amongst the Yanks. It strikes me that the demographics put 80% of us in the 45-60 yr range, obviously most with post-secondary schooling (I have 2 degrees). I wonder if the generations behind us are here and I'm missing them or whether our ilk are a dying breed?


The Boomers and early Gen Xers grew up with board games and some of the younger of us had something like an Atari while teens. Computers really weren't capable of doing even a reasonable job with a complex wargame until the late 80s. The early wargames were essentially translations of board games onto the screen. As computing power continued to improve, game makers added more eye candy in the way of graphics and real time features.

The Millennials mostly grew up with live action, real time games. Games that require you sit back and think about it a bit is alien. So I'm not surprised this is mostly an older person hobby.

As far as the demographics go, I'm not a perfect fit, but close:

History and reading at an early age - I was always a history geek, but a bit slow in picking up reading for entertainment. My 10 year older sister was reading voraciously by age 3, can read blindingly fast, and I just felt I couldn't "compete". I did become much more of a reader as a teen and always had a pleasure reading book in my bag during college.
Model building - Started at age 3 and have an embarrassingly large stash of unbuilt models today.
Ex-military - never went that route. I knew I would chafe at the culture and I probably would have been 4F anyway (bad knees).
45-60 - Lower end of that range, very early Gen X.
Post secondary - Only a bachelors. Got accepted to grad school but decided not to go.

Bill


Born in 1980 ... There is hope? Jocmeister and Obvert are also around my age I think? Never served in the military but I did qualify as an engineer/deck officer for freighters (got about 330 sea days) before getting a Bachelor of Engineering.


That sea duty is fantastic..Thank you for your contributions..Maybe you should consider changing your name to a more nautical theme so we might remember your experience in that area..??I'm sure it helped Richard Dana..

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/25/2015 2:02:49 PM   
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Born right after WW2 in Indianapolis. (Dad's "hot rod" money was used to pay for my birth.)
Little brother was born at Indiantown Gap military hospital. We lived down the road from Major Winters, a friend of my fathers'
Dad went to Korea and when he returned in 1953 we started moving around..All the army bases east of the Mississippi worth mention, I suspect.Wooden barracks and the "canals" in the middle of army streets used to be as common as grass in my childhood.

Dad DEROS'd, we settled in his hometown, Indianapolis..

I've been around the world twice and never been to California,(the granola state)..LOL


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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/26/2015 3:22:00 AM   
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I was born in the Chicago suburbs and moved to the Bay Area (Foster City) in 1966. Moved to San Mateo a year later and grew up there. AFROTC at Oregon State followed by assignments at Offutt AFB (Omaha area) and Andersen AFB (Guam). Moved to Seattle, then back to the Bay Area, then back to Chicago, and now back in the Seattle area (Federal Way).

Came back from Chicago after being laid off from my job as Quality Manager for a software company (I heard that ever since they've regretted eliminating their entire testing staff) and now have my own accounting firm. Best part of being the boss is I can take a nap in the afternoon without getting into trouble!

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/26/2015 6:01:45 AM   
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Pretty much fit in with the crowd:
Born in Brooklyn, NY, USA and grew up on Long Island before college in Ohio and then the Army. Settled down outside of Boise, Idaho.

...early interest in history and reading: Got my first WWII book when I was around 8. Hooked. Always loved baseball and military history. Still love reading military history to this day.
...early war gaming: Started when I was 12 in 1973. Think I've owned most Avalon Hill and SPI games at one time or another. Went to the computer side of gaming with an Atari in the late 80s with SSI games and never looked back on boardgaming.
...model builders: In my younger days. Also micro armor and naval ships from CinC and GHQ.
...ex-military: Retired Army of 21 years. You would think that would help me in WiTP land game - wrong!
...45-60 yr range: 54 and counting.
...post-secondary schooling: Got my degree only to get my commission. One was hard enough.

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/26/2015 9:11:46 AM   
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Michigan. A little town near West Branch called Alger. That's about 50 miles north
of Saginaw.
My gaming started with Avalon Hill, Bismarck and Midway.

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/26/2015 8:16:14 PM   
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I'm from Germany - born and grown up in Marburg (100km north of Frankfurt), but now living in France.

Early interest in military history - spawned by several factors:
1. Family history - my mother (born 1946) doesn't know who her father is, grandma never talked about it but rumor has it it was a soldier in the Occupation Forces. My other grandpa died as infantryman in late 1944 at the Eastern Front while attacking a Russian tank in close combat with a magnetic "Hafthohlladung" (shaped-charge anti-tank grenade).
2. As a kid playing in the woods near our house I "discovered" a small war cemetery, just three stone crosses with a couple of then-cryptic abbrevations in front of the names - "Uffz" (Unteroffizier > sergeant) and "Gefr" (Gefreiter > private). I was wondering why the men had all died the same day on March 28, 1945 - I later learned that my home town was liberated that day. This lead to further inquiries and reading - liberated by whom from what etc.
3. The first book I ever purchased as a kid was about the history of ships, from dugout canoe to nuclear carriers. The most lasting impression made a drawing of Musashi. The text explained that she was the biggest battleship ever built and that she and her sister Yamato were sunk by US carrier aircraft at the end of the Second World War - my first exposure to the PTO. No wonder I became a JFB!

Wargaming - started with the C64 when I was 14. Arcade games like Blue Max, Ace of Aces and Airborne Ranger, followed by simulations like Destroyer and Silent Service and then strategy games like Crusade in Europe and Gudalcanal (not to forget the eternal classics - Railroad Tycoon and Pirates!). Continued on the Amiga with for example Empire, the best beer&pretzel strategy game I have ever seen. Then one day in 1994 I stumbled accross "Great Naval Battles II : Guadalcanal" for PC - purchased my first PC and the game. GNB III and IV and many more wargames followed, but once I discovered PacWar, I needed little else. Then came UV, WiTP, AE. In the meantime I had started working for a games distributor and I had free access to almost all premium titles on PC - but the lure of WitP and AE remained stronger.

Model building - yes, but on a very limites scale and only relatively easy plastic kits. Still have an unopened box with a Seafire in 1/48 waiting to be build one day.

Ex military - 1 year in the Bundeswehr as a tank gunner, in the days we still had compulsory military service in Germany. My current opponent and fellow tanker IdahoNYer was stationed for some time not far from my home town - it is a small world...

Education - I was well on my way to obtain a "magister" (equivalent to a master degree) in Modern History and Geography when my family situation forced me to drop out and earn money. No biggie, the joke among history students in Germany is that they will make great cab drivers because they can double as tourist guides.



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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/26/2015 9:02:55 PM   
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Pretty much fit the profile here.

Early interest in military history. Check.
Board games. Check.
Model building. Check. (they died of fireworks and BB guns.)
Military. Check. Four years Army.
45-60. Check. Barely. Will be out of that range soon.
Post secondary school. Check. But only an AAS in Electronics Technology. Was working on a Computer Science degree when life came along and forced a change of plans. Isn't that what John Lennon said, "Life is what happens while you're making plans".

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No biggie, the joke among history students in Germany is that they will make great cab drivers because they can double as tourist guides.


That's rich. Probably the best way to describe why I didn't become a history major in college. Although I'd always find a way to fit in the odd history course one way or another, needed or not. Come to think of it, did it in high school too.

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/26/2015 10:13:31 PM   
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I've used my history degree for good.....good at pub quizzes

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/26/2015 10:51:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Encircled

I've used my history degree for good.....good at pub quizzes


There's something to be said for a pretty decent knowledge of the world from say...Karachi to San Francisco.

It does come in handy on that rare occasion.

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition - 5/27/2015 3:15:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


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ORIGINAL: Encircled

I've used my history degree for good.....good at pub quizzes


There's something to be said for a pretty decent knowledge of the world from say...Karachi to San Francisco.

It does come in handy on that rare occasion.


Don't neglect your sports or political history. UK-centric questions are typical for "stumpers" around here.

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition -where are we all from ? - 5/27/2015 4:21:11 PM   
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I was born and raised in Northern California and have lived here my entire life except during a 4 year stint in the Marines. I got into wargaming sometime in the mid 70s when my father purchased a copy of Luftwaffe and Gettysburg for himself when he was looking for a new hobby due to work taking too much time away from his model airplane hobby. He had built a collection of dozens of lovingly crafted and detailed WWII model planes over the years. He also did some Victorian era ships as well. Sadly my brother and I blew them all to smithereens with fireworks while playing with them, an act I have regretted for many decades.

He found the board games too complex and time consuming and opened my bedroom door one day and tossed them in. The addiction began and I’ve been an avid wargamer ever since. My interest in wargaming spawned an intense interest in me in military history and has lead to a lifetime’s enjoyment of reading and studying military history as well.

Prior to PC wargaming I made myself as active in the board gaming hobby as I could, attending every convention I could afford to and trying to find opponents to play in my area while at the conventions.

But these simply didn’t fill the need, so one year I got together with some wargaming friends and we formed the Bay Area Historical Simulation Society wargame club. Basically we got the subscriber lists of the World Wide Wargaming (3W) magazine subscribers in the Bay Area from the magazine publisher and we called everyone on the list and the club was formed. This lead to many years of very active board and miniature wargaming on an almost weekly basis, ah the glory days. I can remember fighting Jutland in miniature on the floor of the game store we met at with something like 6-8 guys on each side, man we had some fun events with that club (one of our members was a naval officer with a huge collection of naval and ancient miniatures).

Sadly real life and a very busy career as a police officer forced me to slowly stop attending the regular get togethers (most weeks I worked 100+ hours) and I lost track of everyone over the years. Soon I replaced the itch with PC gaming.

Jim

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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition -where are we all from ? - 5/27/2015 9:00:14 PM   
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I always had an interest in military history. I remember writing a report on English General John Burgoyne in the 4th grade. When I was ten I received Avalon Hill’s Stalingrad as a Christmas present. The next year it was Africa Korps and D-Day. Each year I would add a few games, subscribed to the General magazine and soon discovered SPI, Yaquinto, GRD etc. I was a member of the MIT Strategic Gaming Society while in junior high where I learned to play D&D. I also belonged to a club called Battle Group Boston which meet out in Waltham Mass. They were more into playing miniature Napoleonic’s and WWII

College was a mix of D&D, Runequest and board games. Realized I only liked playing role playing games with certain people so I focused more on board games especially the Europa series. Marriage and family of course put a big damper on that hobby, plus the loss of space to play. I played a few war computer games, Pirates, Civilization, Warship, Gettysburg and then Pacific War. Later on I went through a Civil War phase and played a number of games(John Tiller’s), but then came War in the Pacific. I was able to help with the manual and some play testing which got me in the credits for AE, mom was so proud.

Like most I read almost exclusively military history, still can’t get through book 3 of Game of Thrones. Currently reading a lot about 2nd Sino Japanese war :
The Battle for China: Essays on the Military History of the Sino-Japanese War of 1937-1945 Peattie, Mark
The Wars for Asia 1911-1949 S.C.M. Paine
Shanghai 1937: Stalingrad on the Yangtze Peter Hamsen

Have a BA in History, a MPA and MBA and work as an IT Project Manager for a school district here in SC. I did a short stint in the navy when I attended Navy Prep in Newport RI. Have three girls 25, 18 and 15; two cats and one wife. I could go on and on about my games but this is already to long.

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