Slitherine

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Is there any Allied player that doesn't hate it? Any kind of Japanese offensive makes China into a boondoggle. Only a "quiet China" isn't a thorn in your side. And even that has consequences, as the IJ player can just use all those LCUs elsewhere, because it doesn't take nearly as many IJA to just make sure the Chinese are sitting tight.

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Ground combat at Wake Island (136,98)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 1920 troops, 19 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 63
Defending force 1476 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 18
Japanese adjusted assault: 2
Allied adjusted defense: 10
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 5 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
817 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 82 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
Maizuru 2nd SNLF

Defending units:
141st USN Stn Base Force
Wake (Det.) Defense Battalion

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Ground combat at Lihue (178,106)
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 1053 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 33
Defending force 5619 troops, 50 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 206

Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd/298th Infantry Battalion

Defending units:
1st Formosa Inf. Rgt /1
Sasebo 1st SNLF /3
47th Infantry Rgt /1

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Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 20365 troops, 289 guns, 181 vehicles, Assault Value = 677
Defending force 8047 troops, 132 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 225
Japanese adjusted assault: 387
Allied adjusted defense: 389
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
976 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 32 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 15 disabled
Vehicles lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
702 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 89 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 18 (1 destroyed, 17 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
38th Division
67th Ind.Infantry Battalion
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
68th Ind.Infantry Battalion
66th Infantry Regiment
20th RGC Division
2nd Mortar Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
5th RF Gun Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion

Defending units:
1st Middlesex Battalion
Winnipeg Grenadiers Battalion
Rifles of Canada Battalion
Kowloon Brigade
102nd RN Base Force
Hong Kong Fortress

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

The big advantage of you invading Hawaii is that his carriers won't be anywhere near the SWPAC theatre.

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Bomber group leaders - I want their aggression around 55. Anything above 60 and they tend to fly to their death without fighter escort.

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

Everywhere you have increased R&D over 30 as 30pts are the max one gets out of a single factory for R&D and only that if the factory is fully repaired. A 30pt factory probably gives you the max R&D 6-8 months earlier than a 60pt factory if talking about an aircraft coming online in 44/45 (without R&D). Those 60pt factories will be repaired 1-3 months earlier than historic date of an ac going online so that won't be a real step forward IMO. At least if you aren't really lucky with the dice.

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ORIGINAL: Olorin

Any comments on the above are welcome. Where do you think I overspent?

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

Everywhere you have increased R&D over 30 as 30pts are the max one gets out of a single factory for R&D and only that if the factory is fully repaired. A 30pt factory probably gives you the max R&D 6-8 months earlier than a 60pt factory if talking about an aircraft coming online in 44/45 (without R&D). Those 60pt factories will be repaired 1-3 months earlier than historic date of an ac going online so that won't be a real step forward IMO. At least if you aren't really lucky with the dice.

+1 Those 60 point late war plane factories is a mistake.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: Olorin

Any comments on the above are welcome. Where do you think I overspent?

Why the size 60 Rufe factories? Why the size 15 Peggy-T factory? Both seem sub-optimal. Are you really going to use that many Rufes, or is it to get to the A6M5?

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

Everywhere you have increased R&D over 30 as 30pts are the max one gets out of a single factory for R&D and only that if the factory is fully repaired. A 30pt factory probably gives you the max R&D 6-8 months earlier than a 60pt factory if talking about an aircraft coming online in 44/45 (without R&D). Those 60pt factories will be repaired 1-3 months earlier than historic date of an ac going online so that won't be a real step forward IMO. At least if you aren't really lucky with the dice.

+1 Those 60 point late war plane factories is a mistake.

Not necessarily. If he plans for those to turn into production factories for the first model, then it's fine. You start with a Frank-a size 55 R&D factory, for example. I let this turn to production while I have my others keep on the R&D. Keep in mind that the factories will repair at the same rate relative to their maximum size. Over many trials, a 60-point factory will repair to 60 in the same amount of time that a 30-point factory will repair to 30. So as long as the expansion is all done at the beginning... that being said, I definitely would not do this many 60-pointers (such as those in the A7M line). That's way too much supply consumption in the beginning. You would be running really low in mid-42 and if you end up having to repair a lot of Oil centers, then you're in trouble.

Bump that A6M5d-S up to 30 also.

Why bother with the G4M2? The G3M3 and P1Y1/P1Y2 are better. Only reason to use a Betty model that isn't the G4M1 is for the Okhas.

Honestly, I would not R&D so many 1945 models right now, such as the Tsurugi, Toka, and so much on the A7M. The factories just won't repair significant levels until sometime in 1943 anyway. You may as well focus the R&D more on the earlier models and switch factories to later models as the war progresses. This will cost you more supply, but you can make up for it by being more judicious in your other R&D and air production. Don't overproduce anything that won't become a kamikaze. I have a few hundred A6M2 in my pools, for example, that I'll never use. That's about 1000 HI that I won't get back!

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ORIGINAL: Olorin

Guys,

Regarding the x60 factories, my understanding is that:
- all factories will be repaired and go into production eventually, there is no extra supply cost.
- once repaired, they give 2% R&D points instead of the 1% of the x30 factories. This is my experience in my previous game with this mod.
- the rate of repairs is the same for all factories.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


Keep in mind that the factories will repair at the same rate relative to their maximum size. Over many trials, a 60-point factory will repair to 60 in the same amount of time that a 30-point factory will repair to 30.


That's about 1000 HI that I won't get back!

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Ground combat at Lihue (178,106)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 6247 troops, 50 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 339
Defending force 1026 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 30
Japanese adjusted assault: 82
Allied adjusted defense: 46
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
127 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
Tanaka
Sasebo 1st SNLF
1st Formosa Inf. Regiment
47th Infantry Regiment
Kanno
1st Sasebo SNLF Coy
24th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
3rd/298th Infantry Battalion

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Lihue at 178,106, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Nagara, Shell hits 1
DD Yukikaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Yamakaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Umikaze, Shell hits 1
DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Litchfield
DD Ward, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Chew, Shell hits 2, on fire

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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 28

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 5 damaged
P-35A: 5 damaged
P-35A: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 10

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Puerto Princesa at 74,85, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Myoko, Shell hits 1
DD Shinonome
DD Shirakumo, Shell hits 1
DD Sazanami
DD Ushio

Allied Ships
DD John D. Ford, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Peary, Shell hits 3
DD Pillsbury, Shell hits 14, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Pope, Shell hits 17, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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Ground combat at Manado (75,99)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 3627 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 121
Defending force 1516 troops, 18 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 42
Japanese adjusted assault: 18
Allied adjusted defense: 19
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: op mode(-), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
62 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
15th Naval Guard Unit
16th Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
Manado Garrison Battalion
1/12th Avn Sup Afd

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ORIGINAL: Olorin

You may be right about 1942 supply shortage, it will probably happen and I will need to shut off a few 1945 factories.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: Olorin

Guys,

Regarding the x60 factories, my understanding is that:
- all factories will be repaired and go into production eventually, there is no extra supply cost.
- once repaired, they give 2% R&D points instead of the 1% of the x30 factories. This is my experience in my previous game with this mod.
- the rate of repairs is the same for all factories.

The real difficulty is that it just takes longer to repair and thus you're not getting R n D during that time. 30 is optimum. With the Rufe it should be fine as you want to upgrade it to A6M line anyway so you're trying to get as many as possible to repair quickly.

The rate is not equal for RnD factories. It's variable, and finicky! All dice rolls.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


Keep in mind that the factories will repair at the same rate relative to their maximum size. Over many trials, a 60-point factory will repair to 60 in the same amount of time that a 30-point factory will repair to 30.


That's about 1000 HI that I won't get back!

Not my personal experience that they repair in the same amount of time, but there is a die roll involved so perhaps I am just unlucky.

You can use those Zeroes as trainers somewhere surely. Barring that they make great long range escorts for strikes in unexpected places during the late game. 1000 hvy industry points surely won't be a factor...

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
Just thought I'd offer my viewpoint as a counter to some of the comments regarding your air R&D. Like you, I'm kind of a pay early and often for expansion and then rely on making up the supply later as expansion costs level out. I should add that I have NO experience of the late game, so my opinions have no hard evidence to back them up. I have no idea whether my economy would have collapsed in 44/45.

1. The biggest supply hit you will take early is the 100 supply per point of expansion setting up all your factories.

2. Your R&D factories will not repair everyday (only engine factories will repair daily), so the supply cost is spread out over months/years.

3. You will capture some supply from the Allies, which will facilitate your expansion supply costs.

4. In my games, I too spent over 2 million in R&D and was still able to pool 5-11k of supply/day.

5. You can turn off repairs if you find yourself draining too much supply at times.

Now a caveat to all this is that I have never played for AV. I've always played a conservative Japan by essentially capturing the historic perimeter and then playing for the mid/late game. Because I've not had much combat in 1942 and early 1943, I've been able to divert that supply into R&D. I'm also a believer in expanding factories earlier than later. I'd rather expand in 1942 when I can, rather than risk not being able to expand in 1943 and onwards due to military commitments. The fact you are attempting AV and have such an extensive supply expenditure for R&D could mean you run into supply deficits, but you'll be a better judge of what is happening to your economy during this period than any of us. I get the impression you understand what you are doing and why, we'll all just have to see how things develop for you moving forward. I'm optimistic you'll be fine.

P.S. I do agree with the others on the size 60 factories. I think size 30 is optimal, 31 is you want to cover all the bases. It's easy enough to expand them to size 60, but after they reach size 30 and building up each point individually, or better yet having multiple factories rather than one size 60.

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ORIGINAL: Olorin

It seems that with my current daily supply expenditure in the Home Islands, my economy would collapse pretty soon. Lost 35k in this turn which is not sustainable. I also expanded about 500 LI factories and and plan to expand HI in the DEI. That will have to take precedence over late war R&D. Turning off a few factories is a certainty at this point.

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
Here's to you not crashing the economy!

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Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 22347 troops, 301 guns, 181 vehicles, Assault Value = 621
Defending force 7383 troops, 130 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 132
Japanese adjusted assault: 144
Allied adjusted defense: 645
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 4 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
602 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 55 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
339 casualties reported
Squads: 44 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
67th Ind.Infantry Battalion
66th Infantry Regiment
38th Division
68th Ind.Infantry Battalion
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
20th RGC Division
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
5th RF Gun Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion

Defending units:
1st Middlesex Battalion
Winnipeg Grenadiers Battalion
Kowloon Brigade
Rifles of Canada Battalion
102nd RN Base Force
Hong Kong Fortress

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ORIGINAL: Olorin
I expanded 5 or 6 LI factories, they 're going to be repaired in 3+ months.