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RE: Battle for Java - 6/19/2015 1:57:23 PM

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Great job Nick!!

I saw your SC TF had both BBs and CA/CLs. I've seen that combo not work out well as sometimes the big guys don't shoot as much or not at all. Did it happen this time or did all participate??

As Allied player I almost always have my CV TF(s) follow a SC TF with a non-aggressive leader to deal with what just happened. Force Z is a good one to use in early war in this area.

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RE: Battle for Java - 6/19/2015 3:10:52 PM

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Well done! That softens the blow of the ambush to your Java operation.

It will be interesting to see if the Allies remain aggressive after this setback.

Now go get Enterprise!

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RE: Battle for Java - 6/19/2015 3:20:03 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Great job Nick!!

I saw your SC TF had both BBs and CA/CLs. I've seen that combo not work out well as sometimes the big guys don't shoot as much or not at all. Did it happen this time or did all participate??

As Allied player I almost always have my CV TF(s) follow a SC TF with a non-aggressive leader to deal with what just happened. Force Z is a good one to use in early war in this area.

Michael, The Kongos expended almost 70% of their ammo, so they did fire lots of rounds, but their accuracy was bad. I put that down to reduced visibility due to rain.

If I get Enterprise too that would be awesome! Orders for tomorrow: Kongos to pursuit Big E towards Coco island. Fuel and ammo are low, so my hopes rest on Betties flying from Kaljidati carrying bombs and 12 subs.

Jocke is busy with guests, I don't expect another turn today.

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RE: Battle for Java - 6/21/2015 9:50:33 AM

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Jan 11-13, 1942

Malaya/Western DEI:
- Enterprise has diasappeared. It seems she escaped to the SE (probably Perth).
- CA Mogami is found by a sub south of Oosthaven and is hit by a torp. Fl damage goes from 22 to 28 only.
- Kongos are disbanded at Oosthaven, because 4 enemy subs are spotted in the Merak straits. ASW and mines are on the way.

Burma:
- Rangoon captured. No sign of the 30.000 allied troops. They weren't evacuated by sea, so they must be in northern Burma.
- Meiktila captured. Jocke is not willing to fight here. Good, I'll take Burma for free, leave the Thai Army to defend against the Burma Div. If Jocke has reinforced, the 15th Army will have to stay as well. If not, it will launch an offensive in Yunan with its two divs.

quote:

Ground combat at Rangoon (54,53)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 6627 troops, 75 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 202
Defending force 953 troops, 14 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 31
Japanese adjusted assault: 157
Allied adjusted defense: 7
Japanese assault odds: 22 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Rangoon !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
521 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 31 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (5 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2
Units destroyed 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
55th Cavalry Regiment
112th Infantry Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment
43rd Const Co
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
Rangoon BAF Battalion
100th RAF Base Force
4th Burma Rifles Battalion

Philippines/Eastern DEI:
- Samarinda is captured by the 24th Inf Rgt, which will now cross the river and assault Balikpapan.
- Kaga is safe. Fl damage is reduced to 18. Will reach Kure in about a weak.

Eastern Operation:
Shokaku's fl damage is reduced to 10. The ARD at Truk can't help any more. She can do 28 knots and will now join KB again.

China:
- 4 Chinese Corps' defending the road to Ankang, against 1000 AV of ours. Starting a series of bombardments to draw the necessary supplies in the hex, before launching an attack.
- The gap west of Ichange is plugged by 2 enemy units. 11th Army still marching to Ichang. A slight change of plan might be needed. Contemplating an assault on the two Chinese corps' directly north of Ichang.

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Ground combat at 83,45 (near Nanyang)
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 21123 troops, 236 guns, 39 vehicles, Assault Value = 704
Defending force 31976 troops, 151 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 781

Assaulting units:
2nd Ind Engineer Regiment
37th/A Division
37th/B Division
5th Armored Car Co
15th Tank Regiment
37th/C Division
41st/A Division
41st/B Division
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Army
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
59th Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
7th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
22nd Group Army
21st Group Army
33rd Group Army

< Message edited by Olorin -- 6/21/2015 10:57:19 AM >

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RE: Battle for Java - 6/26/2015 2:20:45 PM

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Jan 14-18, 1942

Resistance inthe DEI stiffens.

Eastern Operation:
- Relatively quiet. Our Netties attack the light industry unsuccesfully.

5th Fleet:
2 Kuri-class DDs tried to raid the allied SLOCs to Alaska. The met with two enemy AMC and were driven away. Also... BB Colorado was encountered briefly.

Western DEI/Malaya:
- Only one base is still held by the Allies and we are steadily push their remnants there. A matter of time before two divs are released.
- The Java campaign is stalled until reinforcements arrive.
- 4 allied DDs raid the Merak straits for two days. Our own DDs happily let them through both times and we lose 4 PBs, 4 CMs and a few other ships.

Eastern DEI:
- Balikpapan captured intact by the 24th Rgt, after a river crossing.
- The landing at Kendari by the 4th Rgt is contested by 3 allied CLs and 5-6 DDs. 40 AV are drowned before our covering cruisers engage the enemy TF. We lose 5 (!) DDs for the sinking of 2 CLs and 1 DD.
- Two days later reinforcements land at Kendari and capture it. CA Houston and CL Boise finally make their appearance, trying to interfere again with the second landing. This time our cruisers engage them. Fires on CA Houston and one of our own DDs.

SE Fleet:
Minor landings at Lunga and Shortlands.

Burma:
Still marching unopposed. Mandalay is captured.

China:
- The mini race into the hex NW of Nanyang ends in a draw, which means all hexsides are open for both of us. This works in my favor and a brigade is currently exploiting the gap in the forests between Ankang and Nanyang, trying to draw more enemy reserves.
- Finally, the 1st Army launches a deliberate attack which doesn't go too badly.
- Wenchow is also assaulted for the first time.

quote:

Ground combat at 83,45 (near Nanyang)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 29799 troops, 274 guns, 219 vehicles, Assault Value = 970
Defending force 30574 troops, 146 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 776
Japanese adjusted assault: 327
Allied adjusted defense: 574
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2525 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 278 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1225 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 65 disabled
Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Assaulting units:
41st/A Division
4th Ind.Mixed Brigade
12th Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
37th Division
2nd Ind Engineer Regiment
5th Armored Car Co
41st/B Division
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
59th Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
21st Group Army
22nd Group Army
33rd Group Army
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Ground combat at Wenchow (89,58)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 29003 troops, 269 guns, 94 vehicles, Assault Value = 899
Defending force 24919 troops, 81 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 677
Japanese adjusted assault: 533
Allied adjusted defense: 1201
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1169 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 69 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled

Allied ground losses:
597 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 56 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled

Assaulting units:
17th Division
15th Division
8th Armored Car Co
13th Army
4th Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
88th Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
16th Construction Regiment
3rd War Area
10th Group Army
25th Group Army
14th Chinese Base Force

I'll continue in this manner until the enemy is beaten.

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RE: Battle for Java - 6/29/2015 10:50:47 AM

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Jan 19-22, 1942

Eastern Operation:
Phase II of the Eastern Operation is about to begin. 4 & 33 Divs are unloading at Hilo and Kona respectively. 21 Div a few days behind. Yes, PH will be invaded by 6 divs on Feb 2! The original plan called for a Jan 1 invasion. Where was all this time lost?
- 3 days from turn 1 mistake
- 5 days resting+loading at Singapore
- at least 10 days from change of course north of PI instead of through them.
- at least 10 days en route. TFs were making 6 hexes a day instead of 10. Something to do with op points I guess. Rabaul was set as a destination.
- plus 3-5 days of resting in Hawaii.

Malaya/Western DEI:
- Reinforcments arrived succesfully in Java. Total AV is now 770.
- All Malaysian base are belong to us! Allied remnants will be completely wiped out tomorrow and two divs will be released (will reinforce Java).
- 18 Div will capture Sabang tomorrow and will then invade Port Blair.

quote:

Ground combat at 49,76 (near Taiping)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 16662 troops, 173 guns, 59 vehicles, Assault Value = 428
Defending force 7830 troops, 64 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 100
Japanese adjusted assault: 280
Allied adjusted defense: 12
Japanese assault odds: 23 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(-), disruption(-), morale(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
172 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
3403 casualties reported
Squads: 85 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 181 destroyed, 39 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 21 (14 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (8 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 5

Assaulting units:
56th Recon Regiment
148th Infantry Regiment
15th Guards Regiment
7th RTA/A Division
56th Engineer Regiment
113th Infantry Regiment
7th RTA/B Division
56th Field Artillery Regiment
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
22nd Indian Brigade
8th Indian Brigade
12th Indian Brigade
1st Hyderabad Battalion
1st ISF Base Force
3rd HK&S Light AA Regiment
223 Group RAF
112th RAF Adv Base Force
22nd Australian Brigade
109th RN Base Force

PI/Eastern DEI:
- Cebu, Iolio are secured by 19 Div (recently redeployed from Manchuria).
- Further advances are put on hold temporarily until the reinforcment Java is complete.

China:
- The hex north of Ichang is attacked twice. Success is very close, despite 200 disabled squads.
- Several Chinese enter the hex directly west of Ichang, which is open terrain, and are attacked by air. Many disabelments. Two divs will cross the river tomorrow.
- The Chinese roadblock to Ankang is slowly grinded down.
- Chinese reinforcements are spotted heading to the contested area from Changsha, Sian and Kienko, which was one of the goals of this offensive.

quote:

Ground combat at 82,47 (near Ichang)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 42907 troops, 380 guns, 119 vehicles, Assault Value = 1311
Defending force 23011 troops, 154 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 495
Japanese adjusted assault: 1219
Allied adjusted defense: 850

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2543 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 173 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Vehicles lost 6 (4 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1622 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 124 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 24 (2 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Assaulting units:
6th Division
39th/A Division
13th Division
13th Tank Regiment
14th Ind.Mixed Brigade
39th/B Division
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
9th Armored Car Co
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion

Defending units:
45th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps

< Message edited by Olorin -- 6/29/2015 11:53:56 AM >

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RE: Battle for Java - 6/29/2015 2:00:39 PM

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Jan 23, 1942

China:
- Three deliberate attacks, two of them go well and 5 Chinese corps' are mauled. The first one is directly north Ichang. The reatreating units are now on the mountain hex north of Ichang and will be pursued by 2 divs. Another 2 divs will be left to defend Ichang itself and the hex north of it.
- The river crossing west of Ichang served its purpose and the 2 divs involved will redeploy to the 1st Army sector (Ankang road).
- On the road to Ankang things don't go so well. Further advances are impossible without reinforcements, which will arrive in the form of 3 divs from Ichang. We'll exploit our superior interior lines to redeploy faster than the enemy. Already a great number of enemy forces are tied up in the forests and will need weeks to get back on the road network.
- A secondary advance by the 12th Army (1400 AV) on the primary Nanyang-Sian road is planned. That will leave the right flank completely undefended, but I doubt Jocke will venture into open hexes again, after what has just happened. I mean 150 bombers are enough to defend the right flank on their own.

quote:

Ground combat at 82,47 (near Ichang)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 41202 troops, 380 guns, 96 vehicles, Assault Value = 1354
Defending force 21433 troops, 152 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 300
Japanese adjusted assault: 591
Allied adjusted defense: 235
Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
648 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 78 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Vehicles lost 22 (1 destroyed, 21 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7271 casualties reported
Squads: 335 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 273 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 25 (17 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
13th Tank Regiment
14th Ind.Mixed Brigade
39th/A Division
13th Division
6th Division
18th Ind.Mixed Brigade
39th/B Division
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
9th Armored Car Co
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion

Defending units:
45th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps
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Ground combat at 82,49 (near Ichang)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 28951 troops, 273 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 874
Defending force 20241 troops, 76 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 563
Japanese adjusted assault: 1176
Allied adjusted defense: 46
Japanese assault odds: 25 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1178 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 100 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
4591 casualties reported
Squads: 249 destroyed, 73 disabled
Non Combat: 221 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 18 destroyed, 19 disabled
Guns lost 17 (7 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
3rd Division
34th Division
1st Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
73rd Chinese Corps
99th Chinese Corps

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Ground combat at 83,45 (near Nanyang)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 22907 troops, 240 guns, 37 vehicles, Assault Value = 613
Defending force 26087 troops, 111 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 481
Japanese adjusted assault: 308
Allied adjusted defense: 2002
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 6

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2294 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 203 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled

Allied ground losses:
345 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Assaulting units:
37th Division
4th Ind.Mixed Brigade
41st/B Division
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Army
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
59th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
22nd Group Army
33rd Group Army

< Message edited by Olorin -- 6/29/2015 3:05:23 PM >

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Invasion of Pearl Harbor - 7/2/2015 10:02:46 AM

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Jan 24-29, 1942

China:
- After our recent victories, it's now become a race to cross the river two hexes north of Ichang. The enemy stack trying to cover the gap is bombed daily.
- The other gap (between Ankang & Nanyang) was covered by severl enemy units.
- 6 divs in transition phase. Will be in position to attack in about a week.

Burma:
- A lone tank regiment entered northern Burma. There are enemy unit at Katha.
- Lashio has a 12k garrison. Imperial Div (Rangoon) is ordered to clear it.

Malaya/Western DEI:
- 18 Div takes Sabang. Padang the only base left to the Ducth in Sumatra. Will be taken by SNFL.
- Allied resistance in Malaya officialy ends. Two divs will reinforce Java.
- Just entered Batavia two divs and will bombard to ascertain enemy strength.

PI/Eastern DEI:
- 19 Div is mopping up Mindanao and the rest of the minor PI.
- No progress after Kendari was captured. Bringing forward LBA and an air HQ. This theater needs more assets, but we 'll opportunistically invade Ambon and Koepang with what we have.
- 25 Minekaze-class APDs recently arrived and will be used for this purpose.

SE Fleet:
- Horn Island and Merauke captured by 90th Inf Rgt. Covered only by 4 CAs but since KB had not been revealed at the time, Jocke wouldn't try anything funny.
- Two enemy BBs spotted near Luganville heading north.
- Rabaul expands airfield to size 6. Air forces are: 40 Zeros & 27 Betties.

Eastern Operation:
- PH is finally indaved, 28 days later than originally planned.
- The beachhead is 2300 AV strong and in relatively good condition. Ironically the only division with 100% prep was the one to be disrupted the most(65). Disablements are acceptable.
- Losses to CD guns and mines: 7 DMS & 20 AMc trying to clear mines, about 30 10 knot xAKL and a couple of AMC.
- BB Fuso hits a mine (29 fl dmg).
- KB launches a port attack and hits the two remaining BBs pretty hard. Was hoping to get the 5 subs also in port, but they were shielded by the BBs.
- Will probably need 4-5 days to consolidate the beachhead. Ise, Hyuga & Yamashiro will conduct daily bombardments.

Pearl Harbor beachhead:

Damaged ships so far:

Allied sunk ships:
CV Lex, 7 old BB, 3 CA, 6 CL, 11 DD.
Jap sunk ships:
12 DD.

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RE: Invasion of Pearl Harbor - 7/3/2015 1:20:40 PM

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Feb 1-2, 1042

Eastern Operation:
- Two days of strat bombing by KB. Recon is bad and I can't ascertain the effectiveness of it.
- Made a mistake in the PH landing. Forgot to include two fully prepped HQs. They will need another 3 days to land. One of them is the 14th Army HQ and the other one the 4th Fleet, which is listed as a command HQ. Can anyone pls confirm it's indeed a command HQ?

5th Fleet:
- BB Warspite is possibly sunk near Vancouver island. A sub found her and put 4 torpedoes into her. 2 Walruses are listed as destroyed on ground and the VP count for sunk ships was just increased by ~200.
- The build up continues. Forts are being built and Umnak island will be our main airbase inthe Aleutians. After Pearl falls, Alaska will receive some attention.

Burma:
- Supply refuses to flow to Burma and a TF is ordered to carry supplies by sea. Until they arrive, the advance into northern Burma is put on hold.

Western DEI:
- Makassar captured by the 24th Inf Rgt.
- Boise was spotted by a sub near Darwin. 8 destroyers attacked by Nells near Denpassar, no hits.

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RE: Invasion of Pearl Harbor - 7/3/2015 1:51:49 PM

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quote:

One of them is the 14th Army HQ and the other one the 4th Fleet, which is listed as a command HQ. Can anyone pls confirm it's indeed a command HQ?

I pulled up this scenario and see Japan has four mobile Command HQs - 4th Fleet, 5th Fleet, SE Fleet, and Southern Army.

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RE: Invasion of Pearl Harbor - 7/3/2015 1:57:31 PM

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The command HQ doesn't need to be at Pearl Harbor, just close by.

Kind of a bold move, prepping a command HQ for Pearl. I wonder if Joc got any sigint on that?

Even being a month behind schedule, you have struck so fast on Pearl, hard to see what the Allies could do to stop you.

Congrats on the Warspite, 4 hits!

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RE: Invasion of Pearl Harbor - 7/3/2015 2:36:45 PM

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Thanks.

I could land the HQs at Molokai which is just one hex from PH.

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 2:16:01 PM

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First attack against Pearl goes relatively well. The HQs landed at Molokai and will now reinforce PH itself along with another supply convoy.

In China, there can be no breakthrough since the chinese have closed all gaps, but they are now committed in the forests, while I can redeploy easily. Also, received 6 brigades as reinforcements. When they arrive at the front and disablements are repaired the offensive will be resumed.

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Ground combat at Pearl Harbor (180,107)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 78094 troops, 689 guns, 480 vehicles, Assault Value = 2461
Defending force 55872 troops, 801 guns, 538 vehicles, Assault Value = 695
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2
Japanese adjusted assault: 1499
Allied adjusted defense: 2601
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4987 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 389 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 52 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 58 disabled
Vehicles lost 55 (2 destroyed, 53 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2820 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 151 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 107 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 72 disabled
Guns lost 80 (5 destroyed, 75 disabled)
Vehicles lost 35 (4 destroyed, 31 disabled)

Assaulting units:
16th Division
4th Division
21st Ind Engineer Regiment
3rd Ind Engineer Regiment
7th Tank Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
33rd Division
5th Tank Regiment
65th Brigade
48th Division
10th Tank Regiment
21st Division
Kure 2nd SNLF
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Ship Engineer Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
12th JNAF AF Unit

Defending units:
25th Infantry Division
Oahu Harbor Defense
19th Infantry Regiment
21st Infantry Regiment
34th Cmbt Engineer Regiment
4th Marine Defense Battalion
VII US Bomber Cmnd
Pacific Fleet
21st Base Group
804th Aviation Engineer Battalion
19th Base Group
251st Coast AA Regiment
3rd Marine Defense Battalion
Seventh USAAF
Hawaiian Dept
18th Base Group
11th Base Group
14th Naval District
97th Coast AA Regiment
98th Coast AA Regiment
64th Coast AA Regiment
21st MAG
15th Base Group
8th Port Maint Engineer Battalion
VII US Fighter Cmnd

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 2:43:56 PM

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Any plans to bombard PH with your battleships? They would add disruption to the defenders and reduce their adjusted AV.

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 2:51:46 PM

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Yes, there are three battleships at Lahaina bombarding PH every other day. It seems the minefield has been cleared and CD guns are disrupted.

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 2:58:22 PM

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There are few action reports that record a history of taking Pearl Harbor .. I am following this one as to see the long term result.
I am wondering if the expenditure of supplies and fuel now will not home to roost later in the game ...

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 2:59:26 PM

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Did you reduce the forts multiple levels?

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 3:11:19 PM

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There are few action reports that record a history of taking Pearl Harbor .. I am following this one as to see the long term result.
I am wondering if the expenditure of supplies and fuel now will not home to roost later in the game ...

I don't think think there is any significant extra supply cost, because these units would be fighting somewhere else expending roughly the same amount of supplies. Fuel is the real cost. I think I 've used about 250-300k in Hawaii since Dec 7, but this is a very rough calculation.

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Did you reduce the forts multiple levels?

No this is the first attack and forts were reduce only by 1. They were simply not allowed to grow. If there is airfield or port damage, engineers cannot work on forts.

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 3:28:16 PM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

There are few action reports that record a history of taking Pearl Harbor .. I am following this one as to see the long term result.
I am wondering if the expenditure of supplies and fuel now will not home to roost later in the game ...

I don't think think there is any significant extra supply cost, because these units would be fighting somewhere else expending roughly the same amount of supplies. Fuel is the real cost. I think I 've used about 250-300k in Hawaii since Dec 7, but this is a very rough calculation.

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Did you reduce the forts multiple levels?

No this is the first attack and forts were reduce only by 1. They were simply not allowed to grow. If there is airfield or port damage, engineers cannot work on forts.

The context of my extra supply is the combat supplies expended for taking down a reinforced position (I am making a bold assumption that bloody combat uses more supply), and the supplies for rebuilding the disabled/destroyed squads that in turn has to be brought a long ways ..
although PH has LI and resources nearby depending on the damage when this is all over ...

It is a nice position that has no close jump off points (like the Gilberts are for the Marshall's) much like the Marianna's so only a well armed CV/Amphib force is going to take this back ...
But it is a heck of a long ways to resupply ....and a lot of fuel burned both in the operations and moving transport ships ..

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 4:19:05 PM

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IIRC the fuel supplies at PH amount to some 500.000 units. And depending on how fast he takes it, he may take 20-30k supplies as well as the industry intact.
This alone should pay for at least one year of maintenance for PH. And the VPs from sunk ships and destroyed squads are just a bonus.

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 4:25:28 PM

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IIRC the fuel supplies at PH amount to some 500.000 units. And depending on how fast he takes it, he may take 20-30k supplies as well as the industry intact.
This alone should pay for at least one year of maintenance for PH. And the VPs from sunk ships and destroyed squads are just a bonus.

There is a real question, given the engineers present, what will be left once this is all over .. it is quite possible that a lot less fuel will be here
as well as the LI being severely damaged .. (a) die roll(s) will happen when the capture takes place and it is not certain what will remain ...

My comments allude to the concept that the IJ have to invest in a 401K account and adventures like this come at the expense of the later war ..
but this very well could work out to extend the war into 1946 ..other AAR's have shown this strategy to result in an earlier Allied victory ..

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 6:26:04 PM

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Could you ls direct me to said AARs? I haven't found any and suddenly there are two ongoing games where Japan went for PH.
Die rolls will be crucial when it comes to stockpiles. I hope the captured fuel stockpiles make up for some of the cost of this operation and the next one.

P.S. In my only pbem that went deep into 1944, fuel wasn't an issue at all, it was supplies that were the problem.

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 6:58:50 PM

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In general .. I might suggest Andy Mac vs. PzB [http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2324032&mpage=109&key= ]as an example of an advanced scenario [scenario #2 no additional supply production from refineries] as the quintessential example of the IJ "winning" there way into a loss.
Although the game did not end by VP but one side calling it quits. And yes it was supply that was the major harbinger of this decision rather than fuel.

My thought is that the master IJ production guys are so keen on fuel to optimize every drop in relation to fuel/oil/resources/supplies that my intuition says a long run into PH is not aligned with this efficiency concept ..

EDIT: Ocean of Allied Blood (Reluctant Admiral scenario) [ http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2495125&mpage=1&key= ]

Again FatR has a real shortages I cannot determine what or how much but the above AAR shows a position where I believe the Allies are ready to quit under yubari to the Allies are knocking on the IJ's door under BigRed...
I don't see a AAR for FatR

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 7:21:03 PM

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Olorin,

Your offensive vector in China surprises me somewhat. How strong is your northern thrust towards Lanchow? Are you concerned with not targeting China's supply generating bases sooner? I worry that you may extend the defensive capabilities of the Chinese by months not going after supply generation sooner. Then again, it's only February and no matter what, China will eventually run out of supply as it always does providing you force the issue. At some point, it would be great if you could explain your reasoning for attacking China as you have? If I've missed a previous explanation, just point me in the right direction and I'll re-read your relevant posts.

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 7:53:02 PM

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There are two offensives currently going on in China and both have Lanchow as their target, which if taken, deprives the central plains HI from the fuel it needs to produce supplies. The northern offensive is about 1000 AV strong with 500 more on the way. It's currently stalled until Nigsia (the dot base east of Lanchow) has an airfield.

The Sian-Ankang offensive is temporarily put on hold until my forces recover a bit. The goal was to draw the Chinese army into the forests and away from the roads, where they can't redeploy nor resupply quickly. This has been largely achieved.

In two months there will be a third (and main) offensive targeting the capital using Southern Army forces. It'll be launched when the DEI is completely captured and some crucial tank units arrive and will take advantage of the heavy Chinese commitment in the Sian-Ankang area.

A fourth diversionary operation will be launched shortly in Yunan. 2-3 divisions invading from Burma & Indochina are enough. The goal is to cut off Kumming and draw more Chinese units away from the center.

All this could be better explained by a screenshot, but no time for one today.

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 8:00:18 PM

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No need for a screenshot, your explanation was clear. I get your overall intention of drawing Jocke away from your main goals and make it difficult to transition against your planned moves.

Too bad you don't have a major airbases available to you in the north, the inability to bomb in that terrain will slow your efforts. Any terrain 2x or lower is death to Chinese forces from air attack.

Enjoying the ride so far and appreciate the time and effort you put into your AAR.

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 8:25:18 PM

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Enjoying the ride so far and appreciate the time and effort you put into your AAR.

+1.

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/6/2015 11:21:29 PM

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Well done Sir. You will have PH nearly two months ahead of me. Quite impressive work!

I went well into 1945 with a game vs. Canoerebel and fuel was never an issue. You KNOW how aggressive I am...

Keep it up.

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/7/2015 3:15:22 AM

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The DEI offers plenty of fuel for the IJ .. the problem is having enough fuel so far from sources to conduct sufficient defensive operations ..

This may turn out differently ..

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RE: Battle for Java - 7/10/2015 12:08:44 PM

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Feb 10, 1942

Eastern Operation:
- Second PH attack goes well and drops the forts to 1. My units are in relatively good condition, only 1-2 days of rest are needed. If it doesn't fall in the next two attacks it'll be a surprise.
- BB Hyuga is hit by a sub once, while bombarding PH. Flt damage is 20. That's the third BB that needs to go to the yards.

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Ground combat at Pearl Harbor (180,107)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 76345 troops, 681 guns, 493 vehicles, Assault Value = 2344
Defending force 53227 troops, 780 guns, 525 vehicles, Assault Value = 540
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1
Japanese adjusted assault: 2533
Allied adjusted defense: 1079
Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1247 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 110 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 82 (23 destroyed, 59 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2498 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 127 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 70 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 30 disabled
Guns lost 71 (5 destroyed, 66 disabled)
Vehicles lost 62 (7 destroyed, 55 disabled)

Assaulting units:
7th Tank Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
65th Brigade
10th Tank Regiment
5th Tank Regiment
16th Division
33rd Division
21st Ind Engineer Regiment
21st Division
3rd Ind Engineer Regiment
4th Division
48th Division
Kure 2nd SNLF
14th Army
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Fleet
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Ship Engineer Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
12th JNAF AF Unit

Defending units:
Oahu Harbor Defense
19th Infantry Regiment
21st Infantry Regiment
25th Infantry Division
34th Cmbt Engineer Regiment
VII US Bomber Cmnd
18th Base Group
3rd Marine Defense Battalion
98th Coast AA Regiment
11th Base Group
251st Coast AA Regiment
Seventh USAAF
Hawaiian Dept
804th Aviation Engineer Battalion
8th Port Maint Engineer Battalion
14th Naval District
4th Marine Defense Battalion
64th Coast AA Regiment
19th Base Group
15th Base Group
97th Coast AA Regiment
21st MAG
Pacific Fleet
21st Base Group
VII US Fighter Cmnd

DEI:
- Two sneakky allied CAs raid Sabang and catch a transport TF that was sent there to transport 18 Div. About 10 Yusen N-class ships are sunk! Good play by Jocke. Naval search is clearly lacking in ther Andaman Sea.
- Java was reinforced by another two divisions. Batavia was invested. The first attack is quite succesfull. Batavia should fall soon.
- During the unloading of reinforcments, the Dutch airforce attacked the ships and was slaughtered.
- Namlea captured. Ambon invaded by a fast Transport TF. CD guns damage 7 APDs. Reinforcements are needed.

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Ground combat at Batavia (49,98)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 49540 troops, 486 guns, 265 vehicles, Assault Value = 1456
Defending force 22774 troops, 184 guns, 78 vehicles, Assault Value = 461
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2
Japanese adjusted assault: 875
Allied adjusted defense: 349
Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
873 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 56 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled

Allied ground losses:
2454 casualties reported
Squads: 30 destroyed, 157 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 78 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 45 (3 destroyed, 42 disabled)
Vehicles lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Assaulting units:
16th Infantry Regiment
5th Division
15th Ind Engineer Regiment
4th Ind Engineer Regiment
148th Infantry Regiment
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
113th Infantry Regiment
2nd Engineer Regiment
38th Division
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
24th Infantry Regiment
16th Army
56th Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Field Artillery Regiment
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
16th AA Regiment

Defending units:
2nd KNIL Regiment
1st KNIL Landstorm Battalion
4th KNIL Landstorm Battalion
1st Regt Cavalerie
1st KNIL Regiment
6th KNIL Regiment
Batavia Defenses
ML-KNIL
1st KNIL AA Battalion
Batavia KM Base Force
ABDA
KNI Leger
KNI Zeemacht
6th Avn Sup Afd

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