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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/18/2015 5:36:32 PM   
ny59giants


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Status: offline 		Avoid Lord Howe Island - I'm not sure, but the 'country code' may be for Australia and since its below Brisbane, you 'may' trigger emergency reinforcements.

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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/19/2015 2:45:32 PM   
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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/19/2015 2:51:33 PM   
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The first attack on Manila went much better than I expected. I'll stay and take the city.

Ground combat at Manila (79,77)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 77169 troops, 736 guns, 344 vehicles, Assault Value = 2021

Defending force 63443 troops, 442 guns, 170 vehicles, Assault Value = 1582

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 1171

Allied adjusted defense: 1149

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
5259 casualties reported
Squads: 45 destroyed, 387 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 63 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 52 disabled
Guns lost 37 (1 destroyed, 36 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1184 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 131 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 79 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Guns lost 41 (1 destroyed, 40 disabled)
Vehicles lost 21 (2 destroyed, 19 disabled)

Assaulting units:
65th Brigade
4th Division
5th Division
16th Division
21st Ind Engineer Regiment
48th Division
2nd Division
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
14th Army
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
21st PA Infantry Division
1st PA Infantry Division
51st PA Infantry Division
1st Constabulary Regiment
41st PA Infantry Division
194th Tank Battalion
26th PS Cavalry Regiment
24th Avn Sup
192nd Tank Battalion
71st PA Infantry Division
35th Avn Sup
91st PA Infantry Division
11th PA Infantry Division
4th Marine Regiment
31st PA Infantry Division
I/43rd PS Inf Battalion
57th PS Infantry Regiment
2nd Constabulary Regiment
US Forces Far East
11th PAAC Avn Sup
200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment
88th PS Field Artillery Regiment
II Corps
Nichols Field AAF Base Force
86th PS Field Artillery Battalion
24th PS FA Regiment
4th PAAC Avn Sup
Far East USAAF
Cavite USN Base Force
!/23rd PS FA Battalion
Clark Field AAF Base Force
27th Avn Sup
1st USMC AA Battalion
Asiatic Fleet
I/Prov'nl SPM Grp

Central/Southern China
I have decided to shift the bulk of the 13th Army to the Center.

At Changsha, I actually might have enough juice to take the city. Bombardment revealed that I have 2500 AV to his 1500 AV, not including forts. Tempting. However, I'm going to see if I can take the city without a fight by moving the 11th Army (minus 1 division on Changsha) south and attempt a river crossing behind Changsha. I'm guessing he will be forced to pull out of the city.

At Nanning, I'm resting one more day and then have confidence I'll take the city.


SoPac
Norfolk fell to the Naval Guards. KB is going back to Truk and LBA can take over for Suva. Lesson learned. Have an exact goal for the KB at all times. It's too expensive in terms of fuel to simply run it around. It helped in SoPac, but wasn't really needed.

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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/19/2015 3:31:58 PM   
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At Changsha, I actually might have enough juice to take the city. Bombardment revealed that I have 2500 AV to his 1500 AV, not including forts. Tempting. However, I'm going to see if I can take the city without a fight by moving the 11th Army (minus 1 division on Changsha) south and attempt a river crossing behind Changsha. I'm guessing he will be forced to pull out of the city.


Force him to stay and lose all those troops by maneuvering around it and taking control of hexsides (it helps when you post screen shots to hit 'F6' key to remove hexsides and then 'W' to show hexside control). The key IMO will be capture of the hex due NW of Changsha on trail to Changteh and then having a small LCU cross over into Changsha to have hexside control shift to you and prevent a retreat to safety.

Right now, hit the AF at Changsha with your bombers to prevent two things - fort building and destroying supplies to below 2x level so his troops cannot take in replacement infantry.

For me, I would prep my China Command HQ for Changsha. At Wenchow, I would work LCUs in and out (if you have a division, divide into 1/3 and use one to go into jungle and then into base to gain control of a hexside) of base to gain control of ALL hexsides so he cannot retreat out of the hex.




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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/19/2015 4:27:09 PM   
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Not really much to report except one of the weirdest set of sub battles I've seen.

First, around Geralton. My sub commander is getting a medal for this. Since they don't have sonar yet, how did this happen? Did they see each other, come to surface to hurl insults at each other and then my commander pulled a fast one and fired?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 22, 42
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Sub vs Sub: SS I-8 attacking SS S-39 at 47,134 - near Carnarvon

Japanese Ships
SS I-8

Allied Ships
SS S-39, heavy damage

SS I-8 launches 2 torpedoes at 3,000 yards

Then At Adak, this guy comes into the harbor and thinks about it and goes naaa.

ASW attack near Adak Island at 162,52

Japanese Ships
AO Naruto
AO Hayamoto
PB Chitose Maru #2

Allied Ships
SS S-43

Then comes in again and goes naaaa

ASW attack near Adak Island at 162,52

Japanese Ships
PB Zosen Maru
PB Takunan Maru

Allied Ships
SS S-43

SS S-43 is located by PB Zosen Maru

And a third time

ASW attack near Adak Island at 162,52

Japanese Ships
AO Naruto
AO Hayamoto
PB Chitose Maru #2

Allied Ships
SS S-43

And because 4th time is a charm

ASW attack near Adak Island at 162,52

Japanese Ships
AO Naruto
AO Hayamoto
PB Chitose Maru #2

Allied Ships
SS S-43, hits 3

And this guy is going to get the "I've done nothing all war, I'm going to do something dammit" award of the war, because 2 torps in an AKL isn't enough

Submarine attack near Ta'u at 152,159

Japanese Ships
SS I-168, hits 1

Allied Ships
xAKL Hamakua, Shell hits 24, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

xAKL Hamakua is sighted by SS I-168
SS I-168 attacking on the surface
SS I-168 low on gun ammo, Kanno A. breaks off surface engagement and submerges

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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/19/2015 7:29:12 PM   
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I guess my sub force is getting ichy for actual targets. This guy sinks 2 fish into an AKL

Submarine attack near Newcastle at 93,168

Japanese Ships
SS I-1

Allied Ships
xAKL Wollongbar, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

xAKL Wollongbar is sighted by SS I-1
SS I-1 attacking xAKL Wollongbar on the surface

and because that's not enough

Submarine attack near Newcastle at 93,168

Japanese Ships
SS I-1

Allied Ships
xAKL Wollongbar, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

xAKL Wollongbar is sighted by SS I-1
SS I-1 attacking xAKL Wollongbar on the surface

Southern China

Nanning fell easily

Ground combat at Nanning (72,55)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 25700 troops, 300 guns, 414 vehicles, Assault Value = 772

Defending force 16743 troops, 75 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 246

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 1193

Allied adjusted defense: 105

Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Nanning !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
326 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
6890 casualties reported
Squads: 166 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 263 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 35 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 16 (14 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
1st Tank Regiment
8th Tank Regiment
18th Division
4th Tank Regiment
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
15th Ind Engineer Regiment
23rd Ind Engineer Regiment
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
6th Tank Regiment
25th Army
1st RF Gun Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
52nd Chinese Corps
64th Chinese Corps
35th Group Army

Luzon

Manila will fall shortly

Ground combat at Manila (79,77)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 68103 troops, 703 guns, 343 vehicles, Assault Value = 1708

Defending force 61150 troops, 436 guns, 167 vehicles, Assault Value = 1407

Japanese adjusted assault: 604

Allied adjusted defense: 1037

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2222 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 326 disabled
Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 30 destroyed, 42 disabled
Vehicles lost 11 (4 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1707 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 76 disabled
Non Combat: 27 destroyed, 88 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 31 (21 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Other Places
Daily bombardments of Wenchow, Manila and Suva. The KB shut down Suva airfield and is now in transit to Truk. Transports are coming together for N. OZ.

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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/19/2015 8:02:24 PM   
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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/19/2015 9:22:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just looked (provided the same as my game), and mainland Australia is country code 30, while Lord Howe Island is country code 32.

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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/19/2015 9:34:36 PM   
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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/19/2015 9:47:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess its a good thing to get multiple divisions depleted massively. After a month of watching them and wondering why some of them don't seem to be replenishing at all, check out a leader. Hmmmmm, a Admin of 36?

A staff person walks into the room. The commander has a map out with lots of military figures on it. The commander is bent over, staring intently at the figures and moving them around.

"Sir, please sign form 182-A, authorization for the requisition of troops form, so we can get it sent off fast"

"Huh? Sure put it over there." There's a stack of 100 papers in a corner of the desk. None of them have been signed. The commander goes back to looking at his figures.

"Sir, if we don't get this form signed, we can't sign form 182-B, requisition of troops form"

"Umm, don't worry, I'll get to it (continuing to bend down at the level of his figures, looking through them). Can you get me some more cake."


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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/19/2015 11:21:06 PM   
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Promising

Ground combat at Suva (132,160)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 18212 troops, 190 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 537

Defending force 9319 troops, 88 guns, 87 vehicles, Assault Value = 260

Japanese adjusted assault: 501

Allied adjusted defense: 149

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
810 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 82 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Allied ground losses:
630 casualties reported
Squads: 24 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 9 (3 destroyed, 6 disabled)

North China

Attrition

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 32894 troops, 394 guns, 496 vehicles, Assault Value = 1103

Defending force 30497 troops, 143 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 726

Japanese adjusted assault: 560

Allied adjusted defense: 415

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
642 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Vehicles lost 60 (6 destroyed, 54 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2064 casualties reported
Squads: 47 destroyed, 228 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 28 (2 destroyed, 26 disabled)

Assaulting units:
5th Armored Car Co
15th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
110th Division
13th Tank Regiment
26th Division
9th Tank Regiment
8th Ind Engineer Regiment
5th Tank Regiment
10th Tank Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
48th Chinese Corps
51st Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
69th Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
19th Chinese Corps
83rd Chinese Corps
34th Separate Brigade
6th Group Army
23rd Chinese Corps
1st War Area
21st Chinese Base Force

Aleutians

Meat Grinder

Ground combat at Dutch Harbor (171,50)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 15450 troops, 216 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 288

Defending force 7737 troops, 113 guns, 39 vehicles, Assault Value = 192

Japanese adjusted assault: 134

Allied adjusted defense: 349

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1792 casualties reported
Squads: 92 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 37 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 32 (8 destroyed, 24 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
234 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Guards Mixed Brigade
2nd China Assault Division
64th Naval Guard Unit
1st Fleet
5th JNAF AF Unit
92nd Base Force
37th JNAF AF Unit

Defending units:
37th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
201st(Sep) Infantry Regiment
151st Cmbt Engineer Battalion
Dutch Harbor USN Base Force
2/250th Coastal Artillery Battalion


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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/20/2015 12:02:47 AM   
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Yamamoto paces frantically behind his desk. Suddenly his door bursts open.

"Urgent Message from Dutch Harbor". Before the message can be delivered and without looking at the messenger, Yamamoto's replies, "Tell them to attack".

A moment later, the door bursts open again.

"Urgent message from Suva."

"Tell them to attack."

Again, another messenger, "Urgent Message from Wenchow"

"Tell them to attack."

"Your wife is in the hospital"

"Tell her to attack"

"Your mechanic is on the phone"

"Hey, how's it going" as he sits at his desk, puts his feet up, relaxes into the chair and smiles.

(What movie did I steal this from)



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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/20/2015 1:04:31 AM   
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SoPac

Yay

Ground combat at Suva (132,160)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 17472 troops, 190 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 460

Defending force 8828 troops, 82 guns, 87 vehicles, Assault Value = 218

Japanese adjusted assault: 630

Allied adjusted defense: 131

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Suva !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1168 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 85 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 21 (1 destroyed, 20 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
9476 casualties reported
Squads: 338 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 409 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 69 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 98 (98 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 102 (102 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 8

Assaulting units:
1st Maizuru Assault Division
Karafuto Mixed Brigade
6th Ind.Infantry Brigade
53rd Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
8th NZ Brigade
1st Fiji Battalion
2nd Fiji Battalion
14th NZ Brigade
Suva Naval Base Force
1st RNZAF Base Sqdn
35th RNZA Bty
37th RNZA Bty

China

Wow

Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 51300 troops, 243 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1766

Defending force 13084 troops, 102 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 416

Allied adjusted assault: 1256

Japanese adjusted defense: 1641

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
663 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Allied ground losses:
2005 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 173 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 19 disabled

Assaulting units:
44th Chinese Corps
7th Chinese Corps
94th Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
73rd Chinese Corps
87th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
5th Construction Regiment
19th Group Army
9th War Area
29th Group Army
21st Group Army
20th Group Army
17th Chinese Base Force

Defending units:
13th Division



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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/20/2015 2:03:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now some questions about China.

They get 500 replacement squads a month. These squads come in anywhere or originate in Changsha/Chungking? I read somewhere about Japan needs to kill 350 squads a month. Why 150 less than 500? Not clear on why 350 is a magic number or what that person incorrect?

I'm going to assume that you need supply to pull these squads in. How fast do they get them?

Looking back over this month, I would bet at least 1000-1500 squads destroyed (minimum) and 2-3 times that number in disruptions.

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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/20/2015 2:08:32 PM   
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Northern China

More Attrition

He's placing small units in the mountains east of Lanchow to Tienshui. I'm running out with Divs and smacking them around.

Ground combat at 80,35 (near Lanchow)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10939 troops, 98 guns, 36 vehicles, Assault Value = 230

Defending force 9293 troops, 65 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 269

Japanese adjusted assault: 231

Allied adjusted defense: 58

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
85 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
3151 casualties reported
Squads: 134 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 91 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 8 (8 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2

And the main thrust

Ground combat at 80,39 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 32406 troops, 394 guns, 478 vehicles, Assault Value = 1060

Defending force 28148 troops, 129 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 523

Japanese adjusted assault: 518

Allied adjusted defense: 877

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
526 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 19 disabled
Vehicles lost 55 (3 destroyed, 52 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1001 casualties reported
Squads: 117 destroyed, 74 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 67 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
13th Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
8th Ind Engineer Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
110th Division
15th Tank Regiment
5th Tank Regiment
26th Division
10th Tank Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Armored Car Co
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
83rd Chinese Corps
51st Chinese Corps
69th Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
19th Chinese Corps
34th Separate Brigade
6th Group Army
1st War Area
23rd Chinese Corps
21st Chinese Base Force


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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/20/2015 2:09:03 PM   
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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/20/2015 2:33:57 PM   
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Not clear on why 350 is a magic number or what that person incorrect?


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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/20/2015 5:35:03 PM   
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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/22/2015 1:09:27 AM   
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Luzon

Slowly

Ground combat at Manila (79,77)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 67702 troops, 703 guns, 343 vehicles, Assault Value = 1709

Defending force 57080 troops, 396 guns, 148 vehicles, Assault Value = 1288

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 993

Allied adjusted defense: 805

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3678 casualties reported
Squads: 30 destroyed, 276 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 37 disabled
Guns lost 33 (1 destroyed, 32 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1404 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 150 disabled
Non Combat: 52 destroyed, 41 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 27 (8 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (3 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Assaulting units:
4th Division
65th Brigade
48th Division
5th Division
16th Division
21st Ind Engineer Regiment
2nd Division
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Army
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
91st PA Infantry Division
192nd Tank Battalion
1st PA Infantry Division
1st Constabulary Regiment
51st PA Infantry Division
194th Tank Battalion
4th Marine Regiment
57th PS Infantry Regiment
41st PA Infantry Division
21st PA Infantry Division
71st PA Infantry Division
11th PA Infantry Division
31st PA Infantry Division
26th PS Cavalry Regiment
2nd Constabulary Regiment
4th PAAC Avn Sup
II Corps
86th PS Field Artillery Battalion
US Forces Far East
1st USMC AA Battalion
200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment
Clark Field AAF Base Force
11th PAAC Avn Sup
24th PS FA Regiment
!/23rd PS FA Battalion
Cavite USN Base Force
Nichols Field AAF Base Force
27th Avn Sup
Far East USAAF
Asiatic Fleet
35th Avn Sup
88th PS Field Artillery Regiment
24th Avn Sup
I/Prov'nl SPM Grp

Northern China

Atritting

Ground combat at 80,39 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 31522 troops, 394 guns, 469 vehicles, Assault Value = 1042

Defending force 23762 troops, 127 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 397

Japanese adjusted assault: 443

Allied adjusted defense: 436

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
156 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
2421 casualties reported
Squads: 99 destroyed, 56 disabled
Non Combat: 66 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 27 (16 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Units destroyed 2

Assaulting units:
9th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
5th Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
26th Division
110th Division
10th Tank Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Mortar Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Armored Car Co
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
8th Ind Engineer Regiment
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
69th Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
19th Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
83rd Chinese Corps
34th Separate Brigade
1st War Area
51st Chinese Corps
23rd Chinese Corps
6th Group Army

Central China

Fumbling

Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 82424 troops, 656 guns, 64 vehicles, Assault Value = 2513

Defending force 62519 troops, 286 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1623

Japanese adjusted assault: 3320

Allied adjusted defense: 4929

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
7675 casualties reported
Squads: 32 destroyed, 324 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 63 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 62 disabled
Guns lost 65 (2 destroyed, 63 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2587 casualties reported
Squads: 30 destroyed, 219 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 75 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Guns lost 19 (1 destroyed, 18 disabled)

Assaulting units:
34th Division
3rd Division
40th Division
39th Division
13th Division
9th Division
11th Army

Defending units:
7th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
44th Chinese Corps
73rd Chinese Corps
94th Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
87th Chinese Corps
5th Construction Regiment
9th War Area
21st Group Army
19th Group Army
20th Group Army
29th Group Army
17th Chinese Base Force

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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/22/2015 1:18:14 AM   
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In a tent, just outside of Changsha, the entire general staff of the 11th Army is sitting around table with a map of Asia and a number of cardboard pieces on the map, some stacked to incredibly high levels.

"Stop bumping the table", says the general of the 39th Division, "that's the 3rd time I have to build this stack again".

The general of the 9th Army says, "How much are supply costs for attacking?" When no one answers, he sighs, "where are the rules again? Any pizza left?"

"My CW subs are searching for you around Truk," the general of the 40th Division pipes in, as most are having conversations at the same time. He's wearing a US flag pin on his suit.

Suddenly, messengers burst in the room. "The attack has begun on Changsha."

The generals look at the messengers a bit slowly. "In a minute, we're almost done with the turn. I've still got to roll."

The messengers leave the tent dumbfounded. "What?"

All of the chief staff members are huddled together outside the tent like bowling pins ready to be knocked down. One responds, "They all have good attacks, but all of them have less than 50 admin ratings and questionable leadership. That's why we are holding all these papers they haven't signed yet."

"No sh&t," one of the messenger mumbles as he starts running back to his radio.



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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/22/2015 3:44:08 PM   
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Northern China

Bing, Bam, Boom

Chinese are in retreat in the north. If Bill continues his pattern, it's not a full retreat. He'll pull back and continue a defense in depth. I'm not sure what I would do in his situation. Perhaps a max garrison of cities with fort versus good defensive terrain but no forts. All I can say is that my armor provides me the advantage for at least combat in terrain without forts.

Ground combat at 80,39 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 31469 troops, 394 guns, 469 vehicles, Assault Value = 1022

Defending force 21916 troops, 107 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 348

Japanese adjusted assault: 793

Allied adjusted defense: 373

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 37 (2 destroyed, 35 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7339 casualties reported
Squads: 167 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 234 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 24 (18 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Units retreated 9

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
13th Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
5th Tank Regiment
110th Division
23rd Tank Regiment
8th Ind Engineer Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
26th Division
10th Tank Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Mortar Battalion
5th Armored Car Co
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
19th Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
34th Separate Brigade
51st Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
1st War Area
83rd Chinese Corps
6th Group Army

Luzon

Sooooo Close

Ground combat at Manila (79,77)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 65265 troops, 703 guns, 343 vehicles, Assault Value = 1481

Defending force 55071 troops, 386 guns, 145 vehicles, Assault Value = 1134

Japanese adjusted assault: 1098

Allied adjusted defense: 689

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1149 casualties reported
Squads: 21 destroyed, 125 disabled
Non Combat: 30 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 15 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (8 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2106 casualties reported
Squads: 59 destroyed, 80 disabled
Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 58 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled
Guns lost 17 (5 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 24 (7 destroyed, 17 disabled)

Assaulting units:
21st Ind Engineer Regiment
5th Division
16th Division
48th Division
65th Brigade
4th Division
2nd Division
14th Army
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
57th PS Infantry Regiment
1st PA Infantry Division
192nd Tank Battalion
1st Constabulary Regiment
71st PA Infantry Division
41st PA Infantry Division
4th Marine Regiment
31st PA Infantry Division
91st PA Infantry Division
21st PA Infantry Division
194th Tank Battalion
26th PS Cavalry Regiment
51st PA Infantry Division
11th PA Infantry Division
2nd Constabulary Regiment
Cavite USN Base Force
Clark Field AAF Base Force
Asiatic Fleet
24th PS FA Regiment
4th PAAC Avn Sup
86th PS Field Artillery Battalion
!/23rd PS FA Battalion
200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment
1st USMC AA Battalion
11th PAAC Avn Sup
27th Avn Sup
35th Avn Sup
88th PS Field Artillery Regiment
24th Avn Sup
Far East USAAF
Nichols Field AAF Base Force
II Corps
US Forces Far East
I/Prov'nl SPM Grp



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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/23/2015 6:31:25 PM   
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I have 30 knot battlecruisers that have an 8/4 movement. I have a 31 knot carrier that has a 7/3 movement. Why?

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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/23/2015 7:50:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vicberg

Perhaps someone can shed light on naval ship movement rates.

I have 30 knot battlecruisers that have an 8/4 movement. I have a 31 knot carrier that has a 7/3 movement. Why?

When you say 8/4 and 7/3 are you looking at the ship or the TF? The TF will be limited by the slowest ship, including if any ops points are already burned by refueling/rearming.

The 8/4 (just for example) means basically "in the first naval movement phase next turn, full speed=8 hexes and cuise speed=4 hexes, provided that nothing besides movement uses up too many ops points, in which case fewer hexes might be moved".

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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/23/2015 10:38:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		They are TFs, but single ships each. So it looked just strange that a slower knot BC would be at 8/4 vs. the 31 knot carrier at 7/3. Op points could be at play.

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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/23/2015 11:15:05 PM   
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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/25/2015 11:36:52 AM   
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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/25/2015 3:39:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I started that exact move and then decided to go back into Chansha with the 11th and 6 divisions. The 25th Army with 3 divisions and 4 tank regiments is racing up towards Henyang. They'll be there within a week. Once I'm there, he'll be forced to start withdrawing and I can take advantage of that. I've been doing daily airfield attacks on all 3 cities Henyang Changsha, etc...

Once Changsha is done, I have a strategic decisions To move the 25th out of China or to keep it there and attempt to go the long route into Burma. Not sure if I'll have time for Burma via the Eastern China approach.




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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/25/2015 4:22:28 PM   
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Luzon

Kaapow

Manila falls which frees up 5 divisions for operations elsewhere.

Ground combat at Manila (79,77)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 72895 troops, 735 guns, 341 vehicles, Assault Value = 1698

Defending force 48002 troops, 343 guns, 120 vehicles, Assault Value = 812

Japanese adjusted assault: 1808

Allied adjusted defense: 229

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Manila !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2193 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 165 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 19 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
61388 casualties reported
Squads: 1574 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3623 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 65 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 487 (487 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 157 (157 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 29

Assaulting units:
21st Ind Engineer Regiment
4th Division
16th Division
48th Division
5th Division
65th Brigade
2nd Division
14th Army
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
21st PA Infantry Division
11th PA Infantry Division
1st PA Infantry Division
192nd Tank Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
91st PA Infantry Division
57th PS Infantry Regiment
51st PA Infantry Division
71st PA Infantry Division
1st Constabulary Regiment
41st PA Infantry Division
31st PA Infantry Division
26th PS Cavalry Regiment
4th Marine Regiment
2nd Constabulary Regiment
Far East USAAF
Cavite USN Base Force
24th PS FA Regiment
86th PS Field Artillery Battalion
Clark Field AAF Base Force
200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment
24th Avn Sup
88th PS Field Artillery Regiment
Asiatic Fleet
Nichols Field AAF Base Force
II Corps
US Forces Far East
!/23rd PS FA Battalion
I/Prov'nl SPM Grp

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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/25/2015 9:31:36 PM   
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Northern China

Main Armored Thrust

Ground combat at 81,40 (near Ankang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19481 troops, 222 guns, 409 vehicles, Assault Value = 689

Defending force 23742 troops, 136 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 667

Japanese adjusted assault: 358

Allied adjusted defense: 598

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
658 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 51 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 28 disabled
Vehicles lost 33 (2 destroyed, 31 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1569 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 132 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 32 (1 destroyed, 31 disabled)

Assaulting units:
26th Division
9th Tank Regiment
8th Ind Engineer Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
2nd Ind Engineer Regiment
10th Tank Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Mortar Battalion
5th Armored Car Co

Defending units:
80th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
18th Artillery Regiment
1st Artillery Regiment
20th Artillery Regiment
56th AT Gun Regiment

He must be getting desperate, this south of Ankang

Ground combat at 83,44 (near Ankang)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 23615 troops, 159 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 801

Defending force 6822 troops, 50 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 205

Allied adjusted assault: 183

Japanese adjusted defense: 1309

Allied assault odds: 1 to 7

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker: shock(+), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
189 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
588 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 46 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
17th Chinese Corps
55th Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
77th Chinese Corps
2nd Group Army
7th Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade







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RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBr... - 7/25/2015 9:34:29 PM   
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He's started sweeps with Hurricanes and P-38E. I lost around 20 Oscars to his 1 Hurricane.

Are Oscars worth ANYTHING? Not sure what to do with them. I've withdrawn all sentai's from Burma to rebuild while I get my supply situation fixed there and will go back in force, but I'm struggling with the Oscar.

I do have a LOT of AA there, so hopefully that will minimize some of the damage I'm going to take.

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